Making an Allen screw ( Fast & Easy )

i turned a rusty rod into allen screw .
With this method, rare Allen screws can be made .
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[@metallantik]

Happy New Year everyone 🎉🙂☃️🎊

[@Dancing_Alone_wRentals]

Happy New Year!

[@ChrisNel-p6f]

Rather go buy an allen cap screw way cheaper like 30 cents each

[@BlackSoap361]

Next, are you going to show us how to machine high-precision 8d nails?

[@meunomeeplissken3088]

No final, parece que é outro parafuso de qualidade maior .

[@metallantik]

🤦‍♂️

[@Sheheryar-y4g]

Sir which chemical you apply to changing the color and what is it?

[@RondeLeeuw]

Wouldn't heat treatment of the allen bit get ruined by pushing it into red hot steel?

[@chrisbrady-t1u]

So what.Who in their right mind hasnt heard of this trick.Ya think your're the savior Jesus or sumpin'?Or just another sidewalk commando?Well guess what.I'm the CommanDER!Ya got that?Good!

[@woodytree1961]

Yes indeed, hope on down to my metal lathe, yes sir easy peazy. Sigh,cheaper to buy a whole box of allen screws,then buy the metal lathe lathe. lathe. 😢😢

[@Yacine-e9p]

Vis et clé Alin

[@metallantik]

👍

[@HomebrewHorsepower]

Fake it till you make it I guess. That cheese-grade bolt will break if you sneeze at it.

[@metallantik]

Maybe 🙂❤️

[@The-Fat-Kid]

Every Allen head bolt I ever came across with the exception of the Chinese ones that come with cheep furniture have been cap screws, grade 8 or better. This soft iron one may look the part but if you think to use it as part of a machine tool I think you will be disappointed. If it’s just for show you’ll get by. You will also find that when you go to use your Allen socket that the temper has been drawn. Use a cheep L wrench and just cut off what you need and buy a new one, They are usually available individually while the sockets usually come in sets.

[@tinaliebe5118]

It can be hardened

[@andrewwilson6085]

​@@tinaliebe5118I don't think you can harden mild steel to give the quality of high tensile fasteners such as genuine Allen screws

[@tinaliebe5118]

@@andrewwilson6085 yer it needs some special processing probably not worth it 👍🏻

[@The-Fat-Kid]

Mild steel can be case hardened but that would only make it more brittle and weaker. Unless you know the alloy even if it were a high strength steel such as a drill rod it’s not possible to get a reliable temper. This bolt like many products that come out of China will not stand up like the real thing. This exercise in lath work is good practice but the result is not usable except as an exhibit

[@tinaliebe5118]

@@The-Fat-Kid yap I agree with the 👍🏻

[@tuberroot1112]

Part of the spec of an Allen screw is that it shall be made from high tensile steel. So you have made something which looks like an Allen screw, but isn't.

[@mode1charlie170]

He could easily heat treat the finished screw if he wanted to.

[@JohnJones-cp4wh]

@@snarkybuttcrack Judging by the swarf coming off, it looks like a bit of old iron fencing.

[@Luminous65]

​@@mode1charlie170 No he can't heat treat it. If it's low carbon construction steel he can't do anything with this

[@walsakaluk4630]

Art for art's sake.

[@itsamemario8014]

Making a Allen screw (Fast & Easy) There was absolutely nothing fast and easy about that process, but I can tell you what is fast and easy, going to the hardware store and buying one, they cost sweet FA.

[@stigmautomata]

are you new to machining or

[@itsamemario8014]

@@stigmautomata or what? and no I'm not not new in fact I'm extremely old at the game, I started my apprenticeship back in 1967.

[@malcdellow]

It looks pretty good to me. Sometimes you need a special size or perhaps you live several hours away from a hardware store or perhaps it's a rush job and the store is shut out perhaps you live in the US and the hardware store only stocks imperial and you need metric. Lots of good reasons to make one. Probably the best one is "because you can".

[@malcdellow]

It looks pretty good to me. Sometimes you need a special size or perhaps you live several hours away from a hardware store or perhaps it's a rush job and the store is shut out perhaps you live in the US and the hardware store only stocks imperial and you need metric. Lots of good reasons to make one. Probably the best one is "because you can".

[@itsamemario8014]

@@malcdellow or perhaps you're some what silly and like wasting time and money, just to end up with an inferior product, yes definitely, there are lots of reasons, just none with any merit.

[@ED_T]

I usually make them fast and easy by exchanging some money for a box of factory made ones

[@jacqueso8424]

And when and if youre close to the hardware store that stocks it, you stock up for yourself especially if you are in habit of making items that may require those screws. Those things are made in bulk and in all imaginable sizes. I'll give some credits for the attempt. though the odds of requireing to make a once off is slim

[@growleym504]

Indeed. An hour of work to make one, vs buy for $2/ea or less at the big box store or on Amazon. No brainer, at least for standard sizes. Now for an odd size or proprietary thread pitch or something, sure, I get it. And TBH I never thought of press forging the socket, I guess because how do you keep the cooling and shrinking screw head from shrink fitting so tight to the hex key that you can't remove it. Now I have seen it and know it could be done if there were ever a situation where it could not simply be purchased. And yeah, every bit of an hour, when you add up all the setup times for everything. I hate it when people protest that it only took 9 minutes and 28 seconds in the video. It takes me that long just to pick out some material and get it centered in the chuck. EVERYTHING takes a lot longer than you think it will and time is too valuable to make standard size and pitch screws on the lathe.

[@railgap]

How dare you value your own time that high! ;D I gave up the big coffee can of random hardware long ago, too.

[@notagunfreak8146]

That is really smart, i was sure the rotary broach was going to be needed, but pressing and heat is really clever!

[@metallantik]

Thanks a lot 🙏❤️

[@KJ6EAD]

Sure, it's clever but ends up destroying by annealing a tool that costs far more than the part made. Speaking of heat, where's the hardening, tempering and bluing of the fastener; all I see is softness covered in cold bluing?

[@mandywithell]

Used to teach high school students heat pressing . They would file their own profile onto silver steel, harden and temper then do exactly the same as shown in the vid to produce socket heads individual to their choosing. Square, oblong, hex, triangular, oval........ Whopping the press tool in with a hammer, taking care, worked surprisingly well also, as long as work was securely held in a vice!

[@frankvucolo6249]

Maybe, just maybe, he did it for the pure joy of it. That’s good enough for me. You can measure things in time and money - and sometimes you have to. But finding joy in life and in the things you do and make can’t be valued in time and money. Joy is priceless.

[@metallantik]

❤️

[@BITTYBOY121]

Happy New Year ! - Great job ! - To finish that Allen screw, use your blow torch one more time to heat up that bolt to cherry red and then quench it in some oil - This will harden it and also give it that same black steel colour as that stuff you brushed on at the end of your video - Hope this helps - Well done - Bravo ! 👍👍👍

[@metallantik]

Thanks a lot , ❤️🙏I will definitely use your advice 🙏

[@metallantik]

Happy New Year to you too 🎊☃️

[@BITTYBOY121]

@@metallantikYou are very welcome mate - Best of luck to you man, :)

[@BITTYBOY121]

@@metallantik 👍👍👍 😎

[@michaelallen1432]

Actually, I'd make it from a piece of 3/8 piano wire. I'd make the head on a jig or on the arbor press. That way I could use a scrap of metal to hold it and a piece of scrap turned down to hold the hex bit. That is a lot of heat way too close to the precision chuck. Id form the head first and do the threads as the last step. Once the socket head is formed, Heat it red as mentioned, then quench in oil. Then clean it off until it's silver again and heat it until it's straw yellow. When that's done, chuck it up in the lathe and cut the screw threads with a carbide tool. It will be too hard for the die, or at least it will cause excessive wear. Besides, if you're helping to make an Allen bolt, you probably want a good precise thread. Or possibly an odd sized thread for some particular application.

[@kmoecub]

Lathe abuse!! Use a rotary broach next time. Or at least use a cheap drill press to heat-form the socket. Oh, use the correct steel next time.

[@jondonut1810]

I learned not to subscribe to chanels like this 👎 Why not use a vice and basic hand tools

[@lornearland3018]

Lots of snarky people in here for no reason. As a non-machinist I was genuinely curious how a screw was made, specifically the slot for the bit, and now I have a better understanding. Thanks.

[@kinglouis6974]

Although that is how a bolt can be made , that is not how they are made in mass ! And say you have a bigger one And you can’t get one there is a proper tool and this guy kinda cheated … well . . Cheated ish A master machinist would not have done that And the bit at the end …. He painted it I’m assuming that was instead of hardening it properly

[@RaneMAJ-r8w]

Just wondered, how you do it...finally it was done with awesome results! - learned something new, thanks

[@metallantik]

Glad it was helpful!

[@keithreed5009]

Allen screws have rolled threads which are much stronger

[@Keith-l2s]

Very neat. I'd be concerned about the heat transfer to the allen key/socket. I'm pretty sure it would lose most of its hardening after you've made a few of those.

[@BeeHiverson]

I don't think he is going to go into full production

[@new.handle]

Don't bolts get hot/cold tretmant to strengthen the metal? Because the easiness this metal was processed tells me this bolt is not for high torque application.

[@robertbutler8004]

WHY?

[@metallantik]

🤔

[@arlingtonhynes]

Stupid KZbin content, that’s why.

[@Oo-rc8tp]

Why

[@Thewaldo12345]

Tempered your Allen socket tho

[@KJ6EAD]

Annealed, not tempered.

[@B25gunship]

I buy mine at the hardware store.

[@vernonslone8627]

Socket head screws are suppose to be grade 8.....I wouldn't use this.....

[@adambergendorff2702]

Awesome job, I love seeing custom created or recreated parts!

[@metallantik]

Thanks a lot ❤️🙇

[@felgate11]

@@metallantik I was in Engineering all my working life - So I'd just "Borrow" them from work.

[@keithjohnson3883]

In a emergency I guess this will work, if you don't have access to the Internet or Amazon "You have to do what you have to do", but just remember it's not a grade 8 like normal cap screw Judging just by the way the material was tearing as you were machine, it looked like you were using something like low carbon 1018 hot roll. If you use a higher carbon steel (4140 or 4150 ) as your blank you can get away with heating the entire finished bolt then quenching it in either oil or water depending upon what type of material you're using, That should give you a little bit better results in a somewhat harder finished product (Till you can get the right bolt for the job). Especially If you have to spend that much time to Machine. (Check a copy of machinery handbook)

[@metallantik]

Thank you for your advice ، i will definitely use yourrecommendations 🤍🙏

[@andrewwilson6085]

This is how to make something that LOOKS like an allen screw. It should be made from high tensile steel, and heat treated.

[@metallantik]

👌

[@markseibert6369]

Nice. You can make British Standard Allens, etc. I would suggest not pointing the torch at your chuck. I would not put the knurl in the chuck, as you marked it noticeably. Sure, start the die, but then move to your vise and using the proper size Allen to hold it in the vise, finish threading by hand. Heat treat for improved strength and durability.

[@metallantik]

Thank you for your tips 🙏🤍

[@bullfrogpondshop3179]

Is there a reason you didn't center drill before knurling, so you could support the piece with the tailstock during the knurling process? Also, why did you leave the piece sticking out of the chuck so much during the heating and forming process? To reduce the heat sink effect of the chuck? I was concerned that having that much sticking out would cause the heated bolt shaft to deform when all that pressure was applied. I understand the shaft wasn't red hot, but it was still hot.

[@metallantik]

Absolutely correct, but it was my first experience 👌👌

[@aof4507]

Shopping online 1$/pc. ez & fast. 😁

[@bentoamancio2586]

These Allen is is a special measure? Buy is very easy!

[@nsrvtqc]

My questions how strong is it and how long will it last?

[@dzianisnavasiolau9503]

Great! Can I ask you, what the black liquid have you used in finish?

[@metallantik]

Thanks , it was Super Blue

[@mariog1051]

This video is very well done but it shows making an "allen bolt shaped object", not a real allen bolt with the strength and hardness required

[@metallantik]

Thanks ❤️

[@cramersclassics]

Awesome, what was dye or bluing used to make it dark? Just subscribed!

[@metallantik]

Thanks a lot 🙏, it was Super Blue

[@shawtravis7384]

Well - it wasn't fast or easy. It was time consuming and laborious. Also, a cut thread is nowhere near as strong s a rolled thread, so the final product is substandard as well as being partially heat-treated. Could you honestly say you'd use this bolt in a safety-critical application?

[@11sjv]

atleast he can say he made an allen screw

[@shawtravis7384]

@@11sjv agreed - but best not to use it . . . . . .

[@lasombra325]

Tiene un torno y no tiene llave Allen 😂😂

[@rickdavis4740]

Spent way more time than its worth

[@tymz-r-achangin]

Easily got my thumbs up. So what is the hardness of the bolt? Did you happen to heat treat or rockwell it?

[@metallantik]

No, but it is better if it is done ، Thanks for the tip ❤️🙂🙏

[@ozkrpalminteri9431]

Very nice.....but that wasn't either fast or easy 😂😂😂😂

[@metallantik]

🙂🙏

[@Mr_hydrogen966]

Sorry can i ask what did you put into it yo make it black😅

[@metallantik]

It was Super Blue

[@flouserve]

No venden tornillos allen cerca de tu casa?

[@shipsofscale]

Nice. I would have never thought of using heat and pressing

[@metallantik]

you're welcome ❤️🙂

[@daveys]

I thought that was a neat thing too. Not every job warrants making a rotary broach.

[@HARDCORE2029]

That prices is 0.15$

[@yezok01]

I am somewhat doubtful of the process from the edited video. Hex and square holes can be cut on the lathe or mill with appropriate bit and wobble driver, but from years of forging experience tells me the forcing a hex bit into a blind hole using the tailstock is not possible as there is no place for the displaced metal to exit, secondly even though red hot metal is quite maluable this youtuber has never swung a smith's hammer and tried to punch a rivet hole through 1/4" flat iron. I call bull pucky

[@markhodson1945]

Personally, I don't think using a welder on a lathe is a good plan.

[@metallantik]

👌

[@The-Fat-Kid]

A wet rag over the lath bed is a good idea Welding on laths is common practice.

[@Umski]

Nice! I was wondering how you'd cut the hex shape into the head 😎 Guess depending on the application some hardening might be needed but I'll be keeping this method in my head for the future 👍

[@denniselvy3528]

Allen screws are usually a higher grade of steel. What was the grade of yours

[@wsmc8275]

Soft.

[@anonymously241]

Grade 1

[@metallantik]

I don't know exactly, it was a rusty rod

[@jamescopeland-j9l]

Oh sure nice equipment I live in the Philippines ,good luck doing that here

[@metallantik]

Thanks a lot 🙏❤️

[@campbellmorrison8540]

Interesting, I'm guessing that wouldn't do much for the hex socket, does it lose its hardening?

[@metallantik]

( Super Blue ) ❤️

[@wtchr6883]

Most likely

[@walsakaluk4630]

Not fast. The process was easy. If it's just for fun or some custom application, ok. I'll keep buying them until that day. This would be a nice piece for a student to make as an exercise. I wouldn't be using a button die for teaching purposes. A student would cut the thread with the lathe too.

[@menom7]

Great video! What was that product your brushed on it at the ever end of the video,that made it turn black like that? I'd really like to know! Thank You!!! : >)

[@petestrunk6473]

They are called socket head cap screws.

[@metallantik]

Thanks 👍🤍

[@velcroman11]

This is a very questionable thing to do unless you are stuck in the Amazon Basin with a full work shop and a good electricity supply. The cost cost in time a and materials to make just one hex bolt will likely buy a packet of hex bolt at the hardware store.😊

[@Tiagotaf]

Nobody: I need a new screw, but I don't wanna buy one. KZbin: invest 20k in equipment, and forge your own.

[@LeonardRodriguez88]

I'm never spending 50 cents on an Allen screw again! This is much more convenient!!!

[@rockyrodriguez2351]

That’s a good idea if you can’t find an Allen bolt of your specification.

[@alejandroalbert6479]

What liquid did you use to dye the screw black? The finish is perfect!! Thank you

[@ryancasler9331]

Yeah that's pretty cool however it's easier to go to the hardware store and just buy one that looks like way too much work that must have taken hours just to make one screw too much time consuming and as long as it took you and all the work you had to do that one screw you could not even sell that screw because that screw right there is probably worth about 15 bucks with all the work you put into it maybe 20 too much work for me.

[@gilloup9672]

Allen is the tool, not the screw ....

[@metallantik]

👌

[@jway288]

I'll take 10.

[@johnbroomer3285]

This is how the military ends up paying $800 for a screw…because this is how the supplier makes them😂

[@KrustyKlown]

2:40 START THERE if you are a machinist.. cause I was like "whatta bout the allen hex drive???"

[@joaomachado1103]

Parabéns amigo, trabalho excelente. Qual o nome do liquido que você usa para escurecer o parafuso?

[@010aray]

Fast and easy... Because, you know, we all have small machine shops in our garages. These videos are ridiculous.

[@wsmc8275]

Not heat treated.

[@metallantik]

No, it is better to do it

[@stephendent3058]

M8 cap head , you can buy a box full for £10, must have cost £40 to make that , electricity, man hours etc

[@LygerTheCLaw]

watch how allen bolts are actually made and you will see why some people shouldn't be making videos for people to waste time watching. they literally are heat formed and thread rolled while nearly liquified in a matter of seconds with almost zero waste.

[@behnamazari5182]

Not fast not easy are you kidding 😤😤😤in best chance it takes 3hours or more Just don't be miserly and pay some little money

[@DavidEliasFloresEscalante]

and THIS, is just for ONE Allen screw? Thanks...

[@ToBeeOrNotToBeHoney]

Interesting idea, although I am not sure I want to be using a torch so close to my chuck.

[@twm4259]

I would have shielded the chuck with insulation

[@dimsum5567]

You can pee on your chuck at the same time

[@michaeltelemachus5112]

A useless exercise if ever I saw one. Except perhaps as practice in turning. This screw would probably shear at first use.

[@wisecampmotorcycles8258]

Yes, all you need is a very expensive lathe, a piece of metal and an hour or two, to make the bolt and clean up. I'm guessing this is for demonstration purposes of how one is made. Surely it's easier to go buy a bolt, they even come in high tensile 😅

[@TalRohan]

I like the product but honestly I would have to really need a hex bolt to ruin an allen socket using it as a drift like that, the heat from the bolt will destroy the temper on the tool, which is a shame because the bolts are a lot cheaper than the tools are. You could make a straight allen key out of HSS or even tool steel for this and it would make more bolts and reheat treat without spoiling a good expensive tool like that.

[@bert1913]

"Allen" is a brand name 😠😠😠😠😠

[@reversengineer2950]

Than tell what is its name?

[@tedjones-ho2zk]

Fast & Easy, but it would have been more fast and easy to get a Grade 8 hex at the hardware store. Novel way to broch the hex in a home shop.

[@metallantik]

🙂❤️

[@ronaldmorrison2765]

My hardware store is an hour round trip from home and takes about 5 gallons of gasoline in my truck to make that trip. If I need the allen screw today, I can make it. If I need it next week, I go to the hardware store when I am making the trip for other reasons. Not all screws need to be hardened.

[@MAsWorld1]

Good tips If you need a unique one right away! I’d probably heat treat it after if it’s an important assembly .

[@witoldstrom1115]

" Овчинка выделки не стоит " -- НАРОДНАЯ МУДРОСТЬ .

[@markkrawczuk1943]

be cheaper and quicker and easier to buy one, but if shops are closed.............

[@joellittle8486]

Cute if your holding cardboard together. There is a reason SHCS are not made from soft iron ore.

[@timcarnell5133]

Its a cap head, not an Allen screw. You don’t have to make them, you buy them !

[@mohaammadmoazzam6094]

With this method one can not able to open bolt manufacturing factory😅

[@АлександрВалентюкевич-и4ч]

Доброго дня. Подскажите как называется средство для чернения. Спасибо!

[@metallantik]

Thanks , ( Super Blue )

[@erniecaparas6124]

Can I ask how much time and labor did you spent on this, instead buying a new one.

[@bruceschneider4359]

I have a need for a few 7/16-14 Stainless Allen Set Screws. Not available, not a high stress application. My question: 'How did you determine the pilot hole diameter for pressing in the hex. It appears that it is slightly larger than the distance across the flats.

[@The-Fat-Kid]

All sizes and threads are available-keep looking

[@benbusy7295]

The fastest way find a bolt head the size of the hex head put in there and clamp it with pair of vice grips done

[@Alvaro.240]

Fast and more easy would have been Put it in a forge smash one side to created a head smash the center with a allen screwdriver create the thread and that's it

[@inktownfishing4505]

That was impressive and great skills to have. And now only 99 more to go...lol!

[@GertMaree-k3j]

Wow I guess we could call it a " Willy " or a "Peter " if you would not object to that !

[@theja63]

My dream is to retire and own a whole workshop and just do this for fun.

[@gustavohenriqueF1]

Muito legal. Esse universo da usinagem é fantástico.

[@helmut3356]

And is it cheaper and better quality than a shop bolt with a rolled thread?

[@Vortexy2005]

Next time u look at an allen bolt Try to appreciatr how easy it was given to u by automated processes

[@enzodeltoro3392]

Perdita di tempo soltanto. Nulla di piu' imutile che riprodurre viti reperibili in commercio , senza contare il fatto che in questo caso il metallo utilizzzato e' di scarza qualita'.

[@viorelpopescu4990]

Ptru a demonstra talent si pricepere da, in rest nu are nici un sens O munca inutila si scumpa cind il pti cumpara de la magazinul din colt pe mai nimic, in plus caltate produs net siperioara