Making Serious Power on Retro 5.0 With a Trick Flow 11R Top End Kit

[@ChuckThree]

Very interesting retro throw back. Appreciated the 80s vibes in editing.

[@themrfabio2459]

Love the 80s theme editing. Awesome work

[@EngineLabs]

Thanks!

[@xmo552]

I still love love LOVE my little sbf 302.

[@EngineLabs]

Same here!

[@passinggear]

You had me with that sport coat....!

[@EngineLabs]

You can't really see it, but I'm wearing the matching pants, too! No boat shoes, though. LOL

[@Bacongrease00]

Great video! E7 heads choke so bad. Now you got that air moving!

[@EngineLabs]

Gotta love those little 127cc intake ports!

[@yonson_racing]

Impressive results Donut! Keep up the good work!

[@EngineLabs]

I'm tryin'!

[@troycarter4742]

Great to see some retro 5.0 Fox content. The article was a nice detailed read too.

[@EngineLabs]

Thanks Troy!

[@bruceferre6232]

Hey this video hits a little home for me! I have a 1991 fox with trickflow heads, b cam and a Holley systemax kit on it. It also has a Paxton supercharger so it’s definitely old school. It’s bbk headers to catless x-pipe and flow master muffs. I’m getting it tuned with a quarter horse as we speak and should be on the road soon! Awesome video!!!

[@GameOver321]

Novi 2k?

[@bruceferre6232]

@@GameOver321 I have a Paxton sn92! It was before vortech bought Paxton.

[@Rocksoup77]

I have this exact kit ready to go on 92' mustang convertible. Motor has 100k and runs great. I may freshen bottom end up when I do HCI install just to get the most out of it. These numbers are impressive to say the least. I have the TFS track heat intake instead of the holley like you have. The holleys are tough to beat. Great videos and content! Look forward to more.

[@EngineLabs]

We were all super pleased with the top end kit. To the point, that we almost called it done right there. That will be a fun combo in the car, for sure!

[@adambergendorff2702]

Good video! Short and to the point, I also liked seeing those stock heads go in the dumpster!

[@EngineLabs]

It was hard, since our hoarder tendencies are to keep them on a shelf for 20 years, just in case...

[@aaronliddell4280]

Where did it make peak power? Love the 80’s theme 👍

[@EngineLabs]

Peak torque was at 4,900 rpm and peak HP was at 5,800 rpm.

[@leroybrown7494]

Great video series 👍🏼 I bet a bigger cam it would have easily made over 420 , my ls engine makes great power i just wish i could get it to sound like a basic cammed sbf

[@EngineLabs]

Thanks 👍

[@absolute_chad2235]

this channel is criminally underated it kinda bothers me a bit

[@crazyhorseracing6130]

What size injectors are you using? Thanks for the videos!!

[@EngineLabs]

These are Deatschwerks 78 lb/hr injectors.

[@kevininge1219]

Down t watch ready t see what it makes. You should run different cams ford e b f and a small solid roller something from Howard's right out the catalog old school. Like to see what different injectors would do factory fox 19s vs newer explorer 4 hole 19s 24s on up. Kenne bell would be awesome to hear. Procharger ps14 d1 hell yeah badasst automobile ever made. Keep the noise up put in a car and let us see it run. I have these heads 11r 190s cnc street. 30over matching # shortblock. But still lookn em in their boxes working my way to it

[@Jim_Lawrence]

Long Tubes! Add power everywhere...

[@EngineLabs]

They're coming, but we put those shorties through the wringer, first.

[@msk3905]

Yup made a significant difference when i swapped them in place of my FMS shorties! I ran the old Twisted Wedge heads and would have loved to run these 11rs if available

[@GameOver321]

Those are damn impressive! Thats a solid 350rwhp 12 sec car! Why did you run the holley and not the matching tfs?

[@EngineLabs]

The TFS intakes were on extended backorder. Plus, AFAIK, they have been modernized. The SysteMax is straight OG.

[@TheHortond]

The internet wasn't even a thing when my Mustang was built.

[@MrAnthonyfym]

We has to read magazines and believe what the summit catalog claimed

[@EngineLabs]

Aren't you glad it is now, though?

[@msk3905]

Stout numbers but I would have run a comp XE274HR cam in that combo

[@chrisarnold769]

Mind telling what timing worked best for you?

[@vegetaroux6898]

We need your 302 sbf 500hp !!! How can o get a hold of you ??? ❤❤❤

[@justinkostelecky6201]

What size were the intake runners on those 11R’s?

[@EngineLabs]

170cc. They are the small version.

[@DiamondNews-j1j]

What would one have to do to make it work on a 93 f150 v8 5.0?

[@Carcrafter7165]

How high did you rev to on the rpm on the 5.0 I love it like it is N/A.

[@EngineLabs]

We spun it to 6,500 rpm with the Trick Flow cam and heads.

[@QuikModsOBS]

Are these the best option to squeeze the most out of sbe 302? Or are there better option top end package wise

[@EngineLabs]

"Best" is such a loaded term. But the 11R top end certainly works as advertised, and then some. I think with a larger cam, the engine would wake up some as well, but with the stock bottom end, PTV clearance might be an issue with a larger cam. I'd definitely be happy with just this N/A package in my SN-95, no doubt.

[@jarez3781]

What size of headers did you use? And what brand?

[@EngineLabs]

I should have mentioned that. They are 1-5/8-inch JBA shorties.

[@sorshiaemms5959]

Carbs still work good

[@matmanshoots]

Is this just pretty much bolt on? Or do you need any other supporting mods for this? Thanks for any info!

[@EngineLabs]

Depending on your starting point, you might need enough fuel pump for the power, and definitely bigger-than-stock injectors.

[@matmanshoots]

@@EngineLabs thanks for reply!

[@robaxelsson530]

What ECU / System is this ? Speed density? I didn’t see a MAF sensor on that intake

[@EngineLabs]

It's the Holley Terminator X Fox Body plug-n-play.

[@fatheadmeetoo2891]

I might pull the trigger!

[@johnnymula2305]

I have a 5.0 roller. I have the twisted wedge 11r top end kit. With a 347 stroker, 750cfm carb. What do you think i would be looking at as far as power? Its going in my 86 Bronco. Its backed by a Len Tech AOD trans.

[@EngineLabs]

At what compression ratio? Also, in a Bronco with an AOD, I'd guess you probably won't be spinning it nearly as hard.

[@johnnymula2305]

@@EngineLabs compression is 10:1 Im in AZ. The summers get ridiculously hot. So i didnt want to struggle with detonation issues. Im not planning on racing it. I’ll pretty much be in the 1500-3500 rpm range 99% of the time.

[@bfed-1220]

What trick flow head and cam can I use with stock 302 pistons

[@EngineLabs]

There's too many variables to say with certainty. You'll have to measure piston-to-valve to be sure, no matter what.

[@arkhsm]

Give them a call, I'm sure Trick Flow could tell you !!

[@RossDaniel-t3k]

What size injectors were used for this dyno run?

[@EngineLabs]

We ran the Deatschwerks 78 lb/hr injectors from start to finish with this project.

[@CCWFOX]

Do the pistons need to notch to run these heads

[@EngineLabs]

I'm not sure, because we are using an aftermarket piston. Since the Stage-1 cam is small, there is a chance everything will clear with a stock piston.

[@Stangtalx]

I have these heads with stock pistons with .600 lift and miles of clearance on exhaust

[@maga7579]

What cam?

[@EngineLabs]

Trick Flow Stage 1

[@bfed-1220]

did you change pistons? doesn't have same 4 eyebrow

[@EngineLabs]

We did. We went to a stock-bore forged 2618 piston right off the bat to handle the boost that's coming, and had valve reliefs to work with the 11R heads.

[@kermieplaud1162]

Nice!!!

[@pimpovic2]

That's about 350whp, that's not bad on a Stage 1 cam.

[@KingJT80]

and they'll break 450 with that blower.....be cool if they did the kenne belle 2.1 with 10PSI and these heads....

[@EngineLabs]

@@KingJT80 If we could have found an old Kenne Bell, we might have tried it!

[@KingJT80]

@@EngineLabs I think they started selling them again.

[@AC-bl1rl]

roller rockers?

[@KingJT80]

gotta have em on these heads. i dont even think they have a pedestal mount version...could be wrong. im looking at them for next yr

[@EngineLabs]

@@KingJT80 I'm 99% sure they are only available with 7/16 studs. I've gotten spoiled by pedestal mount valvetrain.

[@MichaelRandall-w6f]

Could you put a spacer underneath the intake to break 400 hp ???

[@KingJT80]

it made 411...the kit claims 432 with the carb....not bad...

[@adamrushka8096]

Adding even more runner length would just make more low end.

[@EngineLabs]

There was a spacer of sorts (it was a capped-off nitrous plate) between the upper and lower intakes to clear the fuel rails.

[@michaelmayer8618]

You probably down a little horsepower from what they advertise bc you're running a full accessory drive which im sure they didn't n the torque is higher bc of the longer intake runners

[@Bacongrease00]

It’s gonna make 520-560hp on the vortech

[@EngineLabs]

You might be surprised... 😁

[@Bacongrease00]

@@EngineLabs what pulley size

[@EngineLabs]

@@Bacongrease00 just as it comes out of the box - 3.33 inches.

[@davidkuhn3970]

I’ll never understand why so many people put heads on the block when it’s on a 45 degree angle. The engine stand rotates people.

[@EngineLabs]

Ummm, that's a dyno cart, not an engine stand. It doesn't rotate.

[@HerrPoopschitz]

😂didn’t know this was a ‘problem’

[@davidkuhn3970]

@@HerrPoopschitz I seen too many times people just about drop the heads.

[@darinr9424]

Meh

[@EngineLabs]

Glad you enjoyed the video.