Male Headship: Is it REALLY Biblical? Women in Ministry part 8

[@MikeWinger]

Time Stamps!! 0:25 - Intro 10:33 - Part 1: Medical Claims That "Head" Means "Source" 31:47 - Part 2: Bible Context Claims That "Head" Doesn't Imply "Authority" 54:20 - Part 3: Church History Argument 1:01:10 - Part 4: The Battle of Lexicons; does kephale mean authority? 1:33:33 - Conclusions

[@markwebb7576]

Using Plato to determine Paul's meaning of a word would be like reading Shakespeare to define the meaning of words used by Mike in this video. "When Mike said 'brave' he must have meant handsome, because that's how Shakespeare used it!"

[@djwarkentin3572]

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[@djwarkentin3572]

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[@agcm7471]

Waiting for the scarf video =)

[@urlyadoptr]

Hi Mike, thanks for the series - yes I made it to the end! What consideration would you give to Numbers chapter 30 in this discussion?

[@kathleens.laroche754]

Mike, you are pouring yourself out like a drink offering to do this series. My brother, I do so appreciate the massive amount of labor you have put into preparing and teaching. However other listeners were affected by all of this word study today, it made me bend my knee in deep surrender to the Lord's intent. So between the Holy Spirit working through you and working on me through you, just know that as far as this one listener today is concerned, you did your job and did it well: mission accomplished.

[@tanyalawson6261]

I appreciate your dedication to helping us understand this topic!

[@kennaheaton3307]

I agree! You are doing the work I wish I had time/know how to do. Thank you.

[@estherdaflucas6511]

Agree 100%!

[@DavidGuzik]

"You don't need it dumbed down - you just need it accessible." That's so true.

[@rebeccab719]

If I had a nickel for every time the Passion translation was the only translation that supported the egalitarians’ argument, I’d have two nickels - which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

[@thelogicalpentecostal7262]

Great philosopher Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz!

[@samuelfakelastname7464]

A phineas and ferb reference on a bible video, it's so beautiful.

[@thirdplace3973]

The Passion *reinterpretation

[@zacdredge3859]

Next thing you'll be telling us that the Tower isn't entirely trustworthy in their treatment of God's Word. 😱

[@XeenMusic]

It's not. The Message does too.

[@Obi1Classic]

What this series is teaching me is to check the sources rather than take someone's word for it. Great lesson in analysis and study methods.

[@pierrenel5767]

Among all the “ big names” of christian teachers, I have not come across one so humble, so careful and kind towards those who twist the truth, so careful to be true to scripture, so rightly dividing the Word. The Spirit of Christ is clearly using you powerfully. You are a giant ( in Christ of cause) in my eye!

[@Notevenone]

I agree completely

[@themorningping9075]

@@skippy675 who stole your cookie

[@themorningping9075]

@@skippy675 nah Satan did tempt him

[@themorningping9075]

@@skippy675 not exactly

[@themorningping9075]

@@skippy675 so basically Satan tempts people to do bad things. The more bad things a person does the more his monopoly over the world grows. So while he did not get the cookie itself, he profited from it's mere act.

[@itsmekellee1]

As a woman who wants go to into ministry, but to do so in a biblical way. This has been incredibly helpful in my journey to discovering what God is calling me to. Thank you for being such a great resource! I’ve been binging this series and can’t wait to keep going!

[@8784-l3b]

I came across an extremely long post on woman in ministry. I will copy/paste if you wish. I don't know enough to support or reject many of the ideas in it however. Let me know.

[@KM-zn3lx]

@itsme...what did you decide to do? I'm curious. I've felt women pastors is wrong for some of scriptures but mostly in the context the church was contending with paganism which was transexuals, women priestesses with shorn heads as temple prostitutes and strange babblings from these pagan religions which most gentiles were part of.

[@heikelouiseoberholzer]

​@@8784-l3b I would love to read it. Are you allowed to share the link?

[@trithos7308]

God is calling for you to have less.rights then men.

[@allisontyrrell2560]

​@@8784-l3b While I don't wish to minister or be a pastor, would you share the video you mentioned?

[@scottranck2225]

I have trouble calling this a secondary issue due to the fact of how it impacts marriage and the entire order of God's created world. The same type of poor scholarship is used to promote the LGBTQ "Christian" movement. Sketchy at best! Thanks Mike for doing this series and presenting all the evidence in a balanced way!

[@christian1172-z9e]

Secondary issues are important, but primary issues are those that would not only affect our live but would affect our salvation.

[@golvic1436]

Secondary issues are important because they so often lead to primary issues. Primary issues are obviously more important because in spiritual triage you want to address issues that will jeopardize salvation first but secondary issues are less an open wound and more a poison. If not treated it can open you up to primary issues. Treat both as very dangerous even though one is monumentally more dangerous than the other.

[@thirdplace3973]

Things are called secondary or “open hand” doctrines simply for no other fact than they don’t have to do with Theology proper, Christology or Soteriology.

[@chaboi7]

"A little bit of leaven damages the whole lump"....it isn't a secondary issue, it's an issue that needs to be corrected.

[@thirdplace3973]

@@chaboi7 leven is a Rabbinical metaphor for sin, we aren’t talking about sin here. 🤦‍♂️

[@moomin8251]

Well done! The main thing I've learned so far is that when the motive is PURELY to find out what the Bible actually teaches, you will find it. But when the motive is to make the Bible agree with your pre-conceived ideas scholarship goes out the window. Sadly they know it's not being honest to use bits of quotes etc so there is no fear of the Lord. "itching ears".

[@WontonDisciple]

Dude! Mike! This video has been such a blessing! My girlfriend and I just got out of the NAR camp a couple of years ago and have been so encouraged by the teaching you’ve provided in this series. Thank you for your incredible work thus far, I can guarantee you that it has done wonderful things for people like us who really desire to live our daily walks with a biblical worldview.

[@SarahBenest]

Thank you so, so much for this series Mike. This one is possibly the clearest, most well presented and most powerful yet! I'm in the UK where the church as a whole is heavily dominated by egalitarianism. I have spent most of my Christian life in egalitarianism and assuming it was right, but have begun to really question it and do the research for myself over the past 18 months. I've been so thrilled that you've done this series. Today's session has been a huge confirmation of what I feel in my own conscience. The more myself and my husband begin to understand how God intends us to posture ourselves in our marriage, the more freedom I'm finding to embrace biblical womanhood and be at peace that I don't have to compete to look and behave like my husband. Being faithful to God's design brings with it such a blessing 🙂. Thanks again Pastor Mike for all your hard work!

[@FollowerOfChrist144]

Your time and effort isn’t going to waste ! Thank you thank you thank you! You are my second source for the word. (after the word) I greatly admire how well studied your studies are, how carefully spoken your words are, and how good intended your heart is. Thank you man!

[@matthm65210]

I'm so glad you are putting out real, Bible-based videos like this to help clear the muddied waters for young believers and to provide accurate information to more mature believers who may still be struggling to answer these questions for themselves or their friends and family. I also really respect that you have enough intellectual integrity to admit when you don't have a clear answer, in the moment, to questions about the minutiae of certain theological concepts.

[@mary-elizabetharndt]

Woohoo! One of my brothers and I are going through this series together and have been waiting for this one! I am the only girl in a family of 13 boys 😄 so I have been able to be exposed to very healthy male leadership and have had great training in what women’s roles are!!

[@francesbernard2445]

What a blessing that must be having 12 brothers!

[@mary-elizabetharndt]

@@francesbernard2445 it is!! And I actually have 13 brothers and am the only girl! Lots of fun and teasing as you can imagine! 😄

[@shurnbrendt7581]

Wow, another family of 14! I've only known one other, but they were 11 girls and 3 boys.

[@mary-elizabetharndt]

@@shurnbrendt7581 oh wow!! That’s like the opposite of us with them having mostly girls! 😅😅 I love it!

[@melora-on-harp]

I have five brother and one sister. Not near as many as you, but I agree that it’s great! My mom jokes that my sister and I have five bodyguards. 😄

[@codyjlee]

Pastor Mike, I have unashamedly bing watched / listened to all of the videos in this series! I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for all of your hard work on this... as well as your transparency in working through all of these arguments. Just watching these videos gives me more confidence in simply questioning and verifying claims from "PHDs". In all things we should trust God's perfect intentions for His commandsto us, you do a great job of reminding us of this fact. Thank you

[@andygriffith3688]

Thank you Mike for your thorough and exhaustive study of this topic and putting the Word of God above feelings and emotions.

[@wendyritchie205]

Thank you so much Mike 🥰 This issue (of the role of woman in ministry) came to a 'head' recently for my husband and I when our pastor preached an overtly pro-egalitarian sermon. You have so wonderfully and thoroughly articulated the unease we felt at our pastor's words and given both of us clear, biblical justifications for the views we had long held. You have also helped to 'soften' a few of the strong complitarian views we held. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Many blessings to you.

[@feleslucis-emanueldearaujo6237]

I study Ancient Greek, Latin and Hebrew, and I'm flabbergasted by these arguments they used about the meaning of the word κεφαλή, since the word is also quite frequently used to pinpoint what's the most important aspect of a phrase (which does denote domain over a topic). Maybe, just maybe, they mixed up their data of the Greeks, and got the Ancient Egyptian notions into the debate instead (since it was through Ancient Egyptian custom that the heart was known for bringing emotion and having a link with one's soul). I'm trying really hard to follow the old saying: "do not attribute something to malice, when it can be easily explained by ignorance", but, man, do they make it hard... Also, I cannot find this meaning of "source" in any place outside of this debate. Maybe it also meant source in Koiné? I dunno, but I cannot find such use outside of this debate, neither I find it in good Ancient Greek dictionaries.

[@au7-721]

So basicaiiy you can choose from all these sources to twist the scriptures to say what you want them to say. Simply put you don't believe the Bible. You can't. Not if you are constantly trying to correct it. Its funny. If Greek is such a clear concise language how is it that religions and cults all go to Greek to prove their various doctrines which all contradict one another. I actually dont believe what you said anyway. You are lying and simply trying to cast doubt on the Bible.

[@feleslucis-emanueldearaujo6237]

@@au7-721 wait? What? No source treats κεφαλή as "source of something". The pastor did a good job demonstrating that too. My comment basically matches what he's saying on the video, so I don't understand where you're coming from with these accusations. Ancient Greek is a greatly concise language. However, you have to understand that not all languages work the same, and translations may end up losing some nuance and aspects that were obvious for the original speakers, but that may be differently perceived by modern students. Because of this, there are people who use the commonplace ignorance of what the originals say to push corrupted ideas on modern people. We can see many cults doing that, especially the ones who defend the idea that homossexuality is OK according to the Bible. They simply ignore the facts at hand, the long Church history, and the cultural and religious history, while focusing on aspects that shouldn't even be considered, such as them saying that homossexuality is not used in the Bible (while ignoring this is a word that was poorly devised by a German who knew very little about Latin and Greek word formation in the XIX century).

[@Triggerhawk]

@@feleslucis-emanueldearaujo6237 pretty sure he either completely whiffed what you were saying, or is one eyed egalitarian. I think it's the former though lol 😂

[@Window4503]

@@au7-721 Friendly reminder to read what people say carefully before typing kneejerk accusations.

[@jicudi]

Arguably the most cogent offering on the topic I've been exposed to. This man is brilliant, objective, and talented in the extreme.

[@ingela_injeela]

Thank you for not dumbing it down. I hate it when preachers/teachers do that.

[@karenros5384]

I love this nerdy stuff! Keep it coming because it is SO important. I know God will bless you tremendously for your integrity and careful, reverential treatment of his word.

[@wiggydebates3944]

Goodness. I am CRAVING this information. Thank you for being balanced, thorough, and humble in your exhaustive study and teaching. I am learning so very, very much.

[@Mleobarreal]

Man, Mike I’ve followed your content for a good while now and have always appreciated your content and hard work. I have an Mdiv in biblical languages and can say I truly appreciate the level of work you put in. I find I agree with most all of your content (except Im a convinced Calvinist). Im so glad you didn’t fall for the woke deception and have stayed level headed amidst all the continuing controversies and battles. Stay grounded and praise God, brother.

[@melissa7777]

I love how you talk about these topics Mike, need more brave shepherds seeking truth, to do this like yourself!

[@philiphoule7170]

Pastor Mike, thank you for doing the hard work required for “rightly dividing the word of truth”.

[@isaacbonilla4687]

After reading “two views on marriage” I thought Linda Belleville was the main misleading egalitarian scholar with all the misinformation, bad examples and fallacies but when i see the gross misrepresentation of John Chrysostom by Katherine Kroger I was appalled. She has reached a whole new level in mishandling and twisting sources. Great job pastor Mike. I’m enjoying this series soooooo much. Many blessings from El Salvador

[@davidjcheney]

Kudos on highlighting the Grudem/Cervin debate; I came across it around 4 years ago because of a sermon series at the church I was attending, where the theme was about gender roles in the church and family and the lead pastor essentially publicized the church's long-held (as of 1992) stance that 'kephale' = source, prompting some investigation that brought up the back-and-forth between Grudem and Cervin. Very glad to see it get some significant exposure, and I hope it's as helpful/clarifying for others as it was for me.

[@mariebo7491]

Here for it all, Pastor Mike! You’re doing great! I’m learning so much and it’s helped me finally understand 🙌🏼

[@renatakiss8501]

I’ve had a hard time with the headship/submission debate because I come from a abusive/trauma-filled background where this concept was constantly abused. Because of the amount of hurt I’ve been through, it’s been really hard for me to desire this model because of the lack of trust I have towards many men. I probably met 1 guy in my 29 years on earth who I thought was a good leader. So I guess my question is, how do people with trauma overcome their hurt and pain so they could be more biblical followers of Christ? I also wonder how many women who endorse the egalitarian model come from abusive backgrounds.

[@scottsimon9435]

First off, I am so sorry to hear of your abusive and traumatic background. I pray for healing and full recovery for you by the power of God who is able to work all things for good to those who love Him and submit to Him. I also hope that if the effects of your background are still a physical or spiritual burden to you, that you will seek to find a solid female Christian counselor who can walk you through a recovery and healing process. Second, hopefully you can acknowledge that while your experience with male leaders has not been good thus far, the ability to mistreat and abuse other people is not limited only to the male gender. There are plenty of accounts of women having authority over children or men have also abused their authority. Abuse and bad leaders come from a fallen, sin-cursed world that we live in and every human being must submit to God if they are to be free of these actions and behaviors. The solution is for men, women, and children to seek the LORD and submit entirely to Him first and foremost. He is indeed a perfect leader, and He has the very best intentions towards those who come to Him by faith and seek His love, mercy and grace. When fallen humans put obedience to God as their highest priority, and then actually follow His commands they will also be honorable and trustworthy with regards to how they treat others. Beware of hypocrisy of course. God calls us to surround ourselves with and to follow such leaders who are above reproach just as God has called and appointed them to that role. We can know who such honoroable leaders are the fruit they bear for the Kingdom (still with caution though). I pray you will find such people in your life and that God will show you how perfect His Word and His divine order for families and the church are when people properly submit to Him and obey His word. If not already in one, I also pray you will find a healthy church fellowship that demonstrates God’s love and truth in their everyday lives. Also, I hope you feel free to separate from people and relationships where any level of abuse is occurring presently in your life. You must establish proper boundaries in relationships so that abusers cannot hurt you any longer. Hope that helps. Blessings and brotherly love in Jesus Christ!

[@chaboi7]

Hello, I suggest you do not allow yourself to be led by your fear....God di not give you a spirit of fear & the word of God calls women to be daughters of Sarah who called her husband "lord".....this doesn't mean you're a doormat, it just means that you're a woman full of the holy spirit and his fruit, look at all the good women in the Bible, none of them were disobedient to their husband's or a thorn on his side....again, women are made to be help mates to their man and that is the position you should seek....don't be led by your fear because God didn't give you a spirit of fear...God bless.

[@BexandDeanFraser]

@@chaboi7 help meet, not help mate. Ezer kenegdo - a help suited to, worthy of, corresponding to!!! Not a helper for. How did help meet turn into helper or help mate!! Terrible translating!! Corresponding is the notable word in mind!!

[@JayaSavannah]

I also wonder how many women become egalitarian with abusive backgrounds as well. While I have no relatable experience with church hurt because I was born again later in life, I do have trauma and pretty extreme abuse in my past. The more I remember that my old life died at the cross, the more free I feel. Also remember, the Lord knows what your betrayals and rejections feel like and he will always be there to comfort you. I pray you heal.

[@stephaniewelch825]

I come from 3 abusive relationships spanning over a decade so I can empathize with you. I struggle with the same things 😭 This is one of the main reasons why I just want to be single.

[@robotpaperscissors]

Little late to the party but I am slowly working my way through this series. I gotta say this has been very humbling as a woman who was raised in the feminist movement. Thank you so, so much for doing this series, for sticking with scripture and digging into the footnotes. It’s been very eye opening and I can’t wait to learn more

[@MaryObasi]

As another Biblical KZbinr, im loving this series Mike! Great work

[@jason1carnley]

I realllllllly appreciate this series it is something I have always wanted to dig into. But never really had time to do it. So again thank you so much for this study.

[@benjohnson9224]

Pastor Mike, thank you for digging deep into this topic. My wife and I have been studying this for the past year, and the egalitarian arguments against husband's being authorities always seemed "off" to me, but I didn't know why. Thank you for taking the time to explain and bring clarity to a topic that has been muddied quite a bit.

[@susanbarackman-artist7670]

If the husband is the head of the wife, who is the head of unmarried women? Christ? ---or is the head of unmarried women her pastor? That puts the pastor in a precarious position. Does he have time to answer all the needs and questions and make decisions for all the unmarried women in his church and lead them as a husband would? Does he want to even do that? And if he is married that puts another whole dynamic in the situation of leading unmarried women. So if the head of unmarried women is Christ, they have a much better head as married women only has a fallible men and perhaps unreliable or even abusive, as their head? Even if the husband is good and kind, that puts the husband in a very precarious position because he will never be the equal of Christ.

[@lookingatdaisies9901]

​@@susanbarackman-artist7670the head of the wife is still Christ

[@susanbarackman-artist7670]

@@lookingatdaisies9901 yes but under pat.comp teachings the husband still has the last say and a woman who marries is supposed to give the headship of christ in her life and have her husband now be the head

[@othalee]

The "heart" is a figure of speech. The heart is literally a muscle that pumps blood. It's not capable of thought or emotion. We feel in our center, but that's a physical reaction from what's going on in the mind. The brain is responsible for involuntary actions one of which is the heart beat. 20:15

[@valerieperez8649]

I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your teaching on this subject. And thanks so much for including all the notes. What a gift to the Body of Christ! You are so thorough and articulate. I pray for you regularly, that God would bless you and broaden your reach even more.

[@rashaebyler5659]

Pastor Mike, I cannot thank you enough for this series. As someone who has recently graduated from a Bible college, it is so hard to find quality, Biblical, and free resources to use when researching weighty topics such as women in ministry. During school, I had a female friend who deeply wanted to become a theology professor, but wasn’t sure what she actually believed regarding it. I remember feeling so distraught that I didn’t know how to approach the topic biblically, without allowing emotions to play a factor. Thanks for all of the time and effort you put in series like this and for allowing open access to it. I’m so glad that I stumbled on your channel!

[@8784-l3b]

I came across an extremely long post on woman in ministry. I will copy/paste if you wish. I don't know enough to support or reject many of the ideas in it however. Let me know.

[@matthewbaldwin3595]

Mike, thank you so much for your deep and thoughtful study. That research takes a lot of time to do well, and it makes your videos stand above the KZbin noise. Your work is always enriching!

[@refinersforge1781]

Thank you Pastor Mike for helping to equip other pastors out there that don't have the time to do the exhaustive research that God has given you a ministry to do! You're ministry is such a blessing. I am a bi-vocational pastor, full time blacksmith and part time pastor at our small country church. I have been preaching through Colossians verse by verse for close to 2 years (I preach about 2 times a month so that has contributed to the time it is taking). I just happen to be preaching this next Sunday on Colossians 3:18, so your video will be a great resource in my sermon preparation. I've already listened to it twice. Being able to listen to your videos and others while I am working in the shop is a great blessing in helping to equip me as a pastor. Thank you again for your passion to think about all things Biblically, and teaching the Word!

[@DavidGuzik]

Mike, this is great work. Your deep dive and clear explanation of these issues is a gift. I'm really interested if anyone from the egalitarian side will respond. Thanks for all you are putting into this series.

[@xixingpooh]

I think he does an excellent job of explaining this. However, my wife would never watch something like this. She's very vehemently egalitarian rather than complementarian. I wish I could get her to understand this.

[@chaboi7]

@@xixingpooh show her throufh scripture what it means to be an "daughter of Sarah"....if your wife is not submissive then pray for her and keep bringing up scripture because she either fights the word or submits to God...there's no middle ground there

[@xixingpooh]

@@chaboi7 Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it. The thing is, she is submissive in how she lives her life and how our dynamic works spiritually and otherwise. However, she will not acknowledge it as she feels that means she is of lesser worth/value. A lot of the issues she has with it have to do with her being raised in a pseudo-Christian cult that had a very lowly opinion of women. Essentially, she believes that if women are not exactly equal to men in their role capabilities (being a pastor, male headship) than there is no point for women if they cannot attain the same roles within Church or leadership as men. Trying to explain the complementarian view for her just doesn't appear to stick. One way or another it always unravels to her past trauma. It's never an easy discussion to have.

[@chaboi7]

@@xixingpooh I get it but if she's already like that then she should not be led by fear, my suggestion is to read the Bible together and let her know it isn't your word but Gods word and on top of that you're not them guys, she can't take that out on you, that isn't fair

[@xixingpooh]

@@chaboi7 For the first time in 6 years, we've been reading the Bible together at least a few times a week, and it has helped quite a bit. I agree with you and I will definitely try that, thank you. It speaks volumes to how trauma can damage a persons disposition. She lives by that role in many ways Biblically, but will not acknowledge it as such. It's polarizing, but I appreciate you hearing me out. Thank you.

[@SirandLadyWarrick]

I'm a lady and this is so much fun to nerd out together with you about about these things. It's relieving to realize (once again) that the Bible stands up to criticism and transcends culture and time. Truth isn't shy. Thank you for all your hard work!

[@viperstriker4728]

The more I read of other cultures the more I see just how much the Bible does transcend culture. Glad to see I am not the only one using that phrase.

[@elizabeths5896]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Mike, Bravo! Great job! I can’t believe I understand what you’re saying - you teach so even I can get it. Thank you a thousand times over!

[@kingofbudokai]

This is one particular issue that I cannot fathom how there is a debate on it. God himself literally said to Eve, point blank, "Your husband will rule over you." You cannot possibly tell me that this isn't a declaration of authority.

[@kedb621]

Yeah but many egalitarians will say “that was part of the curse” and we are “no longer under the curse”

[@JimLookin]

That’s addressed earlier in this series.

[@chrisa3289]

@@kedb621 well we are clearly under the curse you see death right? You see people crying right? We are still under the curse until Christ comes again to rule.

[@kedb621]

@@chrisa3289 exactly

[@XeenMusic]

@@kedb621 If we are no longer under the curse.... Then we can walk around naked, are forbidden from eating meat, thorns and thistles no longer exist, and its no longer necessary to earn bread by the sweat of the brow, and there's no returning to the dust...

[@crystalgrice3612]

Such great work Pastor Mike! Thank you so much for all of the work that you've put into this series! My husband and I have benefitted greatly from your ministry and we are grateful that we've been able to think more biblically! Sending love and prayers for good rest for you.

[@alexandrasutter7805]

I love that on the title screen you have a cut-out of your head floating around. For being such a well-researched scholar, I love the geek you bring to it!

[@LlamaMamaAlpaca5]

Mike: finds a way to warn against the Passion “translation” whenever possible.

[@PilgrimStanding]

Really appreciate this series. It has been alongtime that I have been waiting for something that makes sense from a Biblical point of view in this discussion. I have read whatever egalitarian books fellow believers have offered me and they always seemed to fall short. As much as I wanted to be convinced by them, and then have this annoying complimentarian viewpoint erased... it just never seemed to fit Biblically. Having a series that goes nack and looks at the source material and quotes from egalitarian scholars helps to put this in a proper light. It also inspires me personally, to step up and prayerfully take hold of the responsibility for leading. It feels intimidating, but also I know that I need to. Stepping forward in leading, by example of sacrifically serving, taking initiative, making decisions, following through. Thanks Mike.

[@scottspeig]

Amen - It is so hard to find anything approaching a balanced view on this subject. You have complementarians saying "Its obvious because of these passages", or you have egalitarians confusing the passages to make them mean the opposite of the straight forward reading ("Why not women" by Loren Cunningham & David Hamilton)

[@norandavis856]

Very thorough. I have also heard a lot of the same misconceptions about what people believed back then but just kind of brushed it off like “if they weren’t Christians who cares what they thought” so it was very interesting to learn that they actually don’t seem to have believed any of that stuff that “refutes” the biblical understanding of headship.

[@austriasnextgen225]

Mike, the church needs this, the kind of work ur doing. It is really a huge blessing for the body all over the world. God bless it and use ur ministry in this same godly way. Keep bringing clarity to the word and love it

[@borisvandruff7532]

Thomas Sowell once stated that actually checking sources cited by writers and researchers will make you a bigger cynic than anything. Thank you, Mike, for proving that we need to check sources, but without becoming a cynic.

[@thereal1650]

When we as an individual take the Books of the Bible and imply our own understanding out of context from the Bible. We are changing the Bible to fit our own worldly views and this is wrong period. There is zero debate. The clams are wack and this is a solid video sir. Thank you.

[@aspenmiller5092]

As always, so helpful. Thank you so much for your hours of work! What a huge blessing. :) Also, loved what you said about not dumbing it down but making it accessible.

[@silentlandthousandvoices]

Great work, Mike. Oftentimes we don’t check the references or veracity of claims made by scholars, and it seems a lot of scholars don’t either.

[@trinitycreek01]

Pastor Mike, wow just wow. First let me tell you that yes, as I open each the Women in Ministry series , I do so with the thought " this sounds complicated and grueling but lets dive in". ( I am sure it is so much more the case for you) BUT man what a eye opener and blessing! Thank you!!! Prayers and blessing from God to you!!!!

[@brendawilson3390]

Mike, thank you so much for this series! Been here from the beginning of it, and will stay til the end!

[@jayakare]

Thank you Pastor Mike. I appreciate all the effort and time you put into researching this very tricky topic.

[@meredithbeatty4157]

I can't tell you how helpful this whole series has been. Thank you!!!!!!!!!

[@TernaryM01]

This whole video is one piece of fine scholarship! Well done, Mike! Keep up the good work! 👍👍

[@morninglynn6281]

please take care of yourself and make sure you're getting enough rest. you help us so much and you spend so much energy on us, but we also need you to take care of you and your family's health spiritually and physically by resting enough too.

[@gunnarpaternal7495]

This is fantastic research which is clearly communicated in an organized way. Thank you for the excellent work on this topic. The thoughtful, open, and honest examination is genuinely appreciated.

[@redwings02]

Love your work and teaching, Mike. Thank you for your dedication to Biblical truth.

[@MrWright83]

Amazing mind blowing work Mike! The work you have put into this series is showing up. Your genuine heart for truth is apparent every time I listen. I would assert that egalitarian scholars are not ignorant of the truth but would prefer to stay in an echo chamber that supports their worldview and selfish desires. I have seen many people on platform that wholeheartedly embrace these views and use story telling and extreme examples of abuse to make their case for the evils of patriarchy. They like to pick on evangelicals and complimenatrian views but oddly avoid any mention of views in other faiths that clearly denigrate women. I cannot thank you enough for your clarity and thorough teaching through this series. I want to know and follow the truth. God Bless!!

[@laramac1321]

Pastor Mike, I greatly respect your kindness and professionalism in dealing with the opposition. I believe it is much too gracious to call their claims "distortions." They seem to be outright deceptions with an evil intent to thwart our God's plan for marriage. Voddie Baucham puts it this way, "Anything with two heads is a monster." The man must be the head and lead with self-sacrificial love. We cannot both be in charge. This truly comforts me as the daughter of a bra-burning, feminist, hippie mother who really thought she was doing the right thing by telling me to never depend on a man. Being covered under the godly headship of my husband is the ideal. God bless you for your exhaustive research and dilligence in your work!

[@scottranck2225]

Mike, have you considered putting this complete series in book form?

[@gospelrap11]

That's an idea! He does seem to have his notes in an accessible form for now though

[@DQFozz]

Amen. You could get a ghost writer to do most of the writing from your excellent research.

[@mountairyforjesus]

I have watched every minute of this series up to now. I don’t think I have ever witnessed a better example of a man making every effort to show himself approved. I thought about commenting back at the video where you reached out to one of the theologians to see if they could cite the source they didn’t offer in their paper. But, now that you went through every lexicon from the 19th and 20th century just to make sure the claim of one theologian was correct, I have to comment and say thank you for this incredibly thorough work. More importantly, thank you for teaching us how to research. What it looks like. What it means to really leave no stone unturned. I will finish this entire series. Thank you for giving wisdom so freely

[@TabithaDavis]

Thank you for this series! Thank you for the time you invest into it and give back to us!

[@trentbizub2161]

6:00 - Terran Williams has responded (in depth) to every video in your series. I believe his efforts deserve serious attention (and a video response).

[@christhewritingjester3164]

34:57 Amen! Got into a recent discussion with someone on this and they were trying to appeal to the authority of some scholar and that they read Greek and I didn't. As you've stated on here many times, context matters for the translation of the Greek in the Bible. Let's look at it together and tell me why you translate it that way when context tells us that's not what was meant.

[@linak7155]

Such a good message! It's amazing how Philosophy crept into Christianity and never really left it. Plato, Socrates n many others have influenced its tenets

[@MAN-pp4qg]

Paul, well actually the Holy Spirit through Paul, once again called it! "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." - Colossians 2v8

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@Jesus Is Lord How do you interpret Mathew 22:30?

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@Jesus Is Lord If Isaiah proves that marriage exists in heaven, then does it not also prove that death exists in heaven along with sinners? Isaiah 65:20 “There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner an hundred years old will be accursed.”

[@brandonwhitaker8468]

​@Jesus Is Lord I would very much appreciate your feedback on some thoughts, because I don't find this argument convincing. 1. Interpreting "not being married or given in marriage" as a removal of the force and mishandled authority of the levirate marriage seems more like something you've read into the text than something that the text actually supports. I suppose I'm just wondering what in the text inclines you to read past the surface-level language to something that isn't really dealt with in that conversation. Even if yours is an accurate description of the negative dynamics of marriage in that culture, it's still well beyond Jesus' words here. 2. Being "like the angels" can mean more than one thing. The angels can be immortal and also not participate in marriage. I don't see why this has to be an either-or, especially given the way it's used here. 3. One might full well agree with you that, being part of the OT law, Jesus means to communicate that such law would no longer be necessary in heaven. But rather than saying merely this, He seems to imply that it becomes irrelevant as marriage itself ceases. You would have to make the case that Jesus is really only speaking about the OT law and not the practice of marriage, despite all appearances. 4. In the Isaiah verse, you've equated "not having children doomed to misfortune" as "having children not doomed to misfortune." But these are logically distinct claims. Do you have some textual or cultural reason to think that is what's meant there, rather than just what is said in the passage? 5. On the matter of gender, I would simply reject the idea that an elimination of marriage is an elimination of gender. I don't understand why you would assume that. Otherwise you go so far as to imply that Jesus wasn't a man, as He did not marry a woman, or that all of the celibate Christian monks in the history of the church cannot be called real men, nor could the nuns be called real women. That seems absurd to me. 6. As for the last point about answering them in the context of their preconceptions, again, I don't see how anything in the passage implies this. Clearly Jesus considers them to be ignorant of spiritual truth, but this does not mean that He will go on to give them a veiled, half-true answer that matches their ignorance. Overall, it seems to me like most Christians read this passage as saying there won't be marriage in heaven because that's the plain meaning of the quote, and the fact that it takes this much effort to bend that away seems to only support that. Nonetheless, it's clear that you've put thought and research into this, so I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[@kolbywilliams7234]

@Jesus Is Lord No, that is my student who recently graduated. He needed those recordings for an audition and I volunteered my KZbin account so that the judges could listen to his recording. He does play quite well. How did you come to that conclusion? Do you not think the idea of taking one verse as a metaphor while taking the verses surrounding it as literal is a bit dubious? Perhaps you have a method for discerning these things, and I would like to know it. I ask this because, while I agree that God does not author confusion, the idea that heaven will contain both death and sinners is a metaphor for eternal abundance is confusing because it is paradoxical. Would you not agree?

[@dollysumrow1062]

Thank you for taking God’s word seriously.

[@janeEyreAddict]

I am so EXCITED for the Headcovering episode!! I pray that God grants you and us all humility to see it is NOT cultural as the world says today. Sadly the Anabaptists are the only ones that still practice it. Also may I suggest "Dictionary of early Christian beliefs" by David bercot if interested in how the early Christians interpreted the Bible. Also "the Headcovering Movement"...the founder of that organization has a wonderful book specifically on the subject. God bless!

[@Homenuggets]

Yes! I've just been reading through 1 Corinthians and haven't been able to shake the mention of head coverings. My first thoughts were why aren't we doing this? If we dismiss this, then we might as well dismiss all of Paul's letters and teachings. I've recently bought some coverings and have begun to wear them while praying.

[@janeEyreAddict]

@@Homenuggets same here! There is absolutely nothing in the passage to reference it being cultural, it's just what we have been told. I've been covering for about 6 months!

[@CaesarGB]

I thought traditional Latin Mass Catholics still did it? I’m divided on head coverings. I’m not against them, but those who push for them often end up being weird culty types, like the Hebrew Roots Mike disproved.

[@DW_Kiwi]

Absolutely. What really has a culture to do with Christ's Church. What happens "in" the world is just that. The worlds problem

[@kedb621]

Many Messianic Jewish women (myself including) practice it as well. Though I will say it is purely a choice of my husband and I and I don’t think it’s a clear cut must do. It’s also not a salvation issue.

[@Alice-ll9et]

Thank you, brother, for all the work, time and effort you put into this! May God bless you, your family and your ministry abundantly!

[@samanthaquant7411]

I sure hope none of these people would say that having authority over your children means you don’t love them.

[@comfortablynumb72]

Wow , I’m sure I speak for many, thankyou so much for your consistent ,well presented , thorough bible teaching , plus notes ! since the conception of bible thinker , your a machine 👍

[@rachelroelofs9383]

You certainly did a thorough job of refuting many of those arguments! I no longer align myself with complementarianism, but I am very concerned with what Scripture teaches, so thank you. One question I do have for you is that IF the husband is in "authority" over his wife, what kind of authority? It seems to me that authority in every other context typically includes the right/responsibility to "discipline" those under your authority. Employees can be fired, church members can be excommunicated, criminals can be jailed etc. Yet nowhere does God authorise a husband to discipline his wife. Rather he tells husbands to love their wives and to not break the marriage covenant even if she's an unbeliever! All of the commands regarding "submission" are addressed to the wife, which indicates that it must be voluntary on her part. She can't be forced to submit in any way, shape or form. To me this then begs the question, what is the nature of the husband's alleged "authority"? Should we really call it authority? Because, let's face it, the idea of husbandly "authority" has enabled many men to to abuse their wives in the name of "making them submit". I have even heard sermons advocating this. And we have so much material on wifely "submission" which largely amount to, "if he has a complaint about you, change; if you have a complaint about him, let it go". On the other hand, I have never heard anyone nut out what it means to be "head/authority" in practical terms that takes into consideration every command to husbands regarding how they treat their wives. There is SO MUCH MORE I could say on this subject, but for now suffice to say that a thorough, Biblical definition of "headship" is sorely needed.

[@8784-l3b]

(I haven't seen the video.) I don't have much to offer here, especially since I've never married, or even been close to that. Apparently you are writing here about a couple that are both Christians. Give thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, being submissive to one another in the fear of God. Wives, be submissive to your own husbands as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the head and Savior of the church, which is His body. But as the church submits to Christ, so also let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. And later: However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. -excerpts Ephesians 5 There are other verses in Ephesians below that are general in nature: With all humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another in love, be eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Also: Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, outbursts, and blasphemies, with all malice, be taken away from you. And be kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you. Also: Give thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, being submissive to one another in the fear of God. -excerpts Ephesians 4 and 5 So the child grew and was weaned. Then Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned. Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, mocking. Therefore she said to Abraham, “Throw out this slave woman and her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son, Isaac.” This matter was very displeasing in Abraham’s sight because of his son. But God said to Abraham, “Do not be upset concerning the boy and your slave wife. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to what she says, for in Isaac your descendants will be called. -excerpt Genesis 21 So if a Christian man and woman are married, there should be mutual respect, love, forgiveness, patience and all things good. If a husband orders his wife around, then he doesn't respect her. So that's wrong. If a wife doesn't pay any attention to something that the husband believes is important, then she doesn't respect him. So that's wrong. Wish I had more here, but maybe lack of experience has resulted in such a basic posting.

[@rachelroelofs9383]

@@8784-l3b I agree with you whole-heartedly. Marriage ought to be a very mutual relationship. I believe that when we consider all of the Scriptures concerning the relationship between husband and wife we do not see a picture of hierarchy, but rather of mutual love, respect, self-sacrifice and submission. Unfortunately so many in Christendom wish to characterise the marriage relationship primarily as one of God-ordained authority for the husband and unquestioning obedience for the wife, and the results are heartbreaking. That's why I would love someone with a platform to comprehensively tackle what it means for a husband to be the "head", because it seems to me that IF they do have a leadership obligation, it's primarily to set the example of self-sacrificial service.

[@DaveBaldwin1]

Pastor Mike, your teachings on this subject have been very well done. It baffles the mind on how much time you've put into this subject matter. I thank you for your dedication. On a side note, pertaining to this topic, I feel some are looking at it in the wrong light. Some may think that to have authority is a power thing. I see it as an accountability thing. We, as husbands, will have an accountability to God for how we attended to our wives and children. Because I am far from perfect, that's accountability im not looking forward to. The egalitarian view I believe thinks we relish in a position of authority when, for many, the opposite is true. But, because Gods word and ways are perfect, even beyond our understanding, we press on and persevere in our duties. Thanks again brother. With love in Christ.

[@viperstriker4728]

That is very well said. The Bible seems to view leadership very differently then the rest of the world. I recall first coming across this in a Star Wars book of all places. Since then I have heard the same idea from Mike, another pastor, a navy seal, and football coaches. You just captured a big part of it relating leadership to accountability. A verse just popped into my head while typing this. Mark 12:41-44 "41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. 43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything-all she had to live on.”" The widow had no social status or wealth, yet what she did was greater. The Bible seems to say repeated that our value isn't derived from our status, job, or role. While we in our own intuitions seem to keep insisting the opposite.

[@lookingatdaisies9901]

😭😭😭😭 thank you! Someone who saw what I saw, the reason why we have a problem because there are men that are actively involved in making women think they got the wrong end of the deal, cos they beat so much about being leaders and heads... Being appointed authority should scare you into seriousness. It's not a reward.

[@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED]

Bravo Mike, the most thorough and exhaustively accurate teaching on Women in Ministry on the internet.

[@CatalyticChristian]

Amazing scholarship going on here from Pastor Mike. At least in the examples he’s shown throughout the series, egalitarian scholars have really misinterpreted the Bible by misusing and misrepresenting ancient sources and by utilizing bad hermeneutics. And in the topics covered so far, Mike has demonstrated that they do this to support the premises for their most fundamental conclusions. If the support for their premises is this bad, their conclusions should not be taken seriously until they are supported by better scholarship. Thank you Mike, for doing this. What this series has made me realize is that basically if you just read the Bible in context using basic hermeneutical methods, you’ll probably be able to determine what the authors originally meant. Just take the Bible at face value. If it says the husband is his head of the wife, he’s the head of his wife.

[@TheChillBison]

This series has been so helpful mike, thank you. Without this kind of in-depth study, all you could do is take people out their word, and so it's sad to see from Christians such poor scholarship and manipulation of the text in order to support something you want to be true. That's why I really appreciated the very first video in this series as well, which basically asks if we are willing to follow the Bible where it leads, or try to bend it to our own desires.

[@thirdplace3973]

This seems to me like a SUPER weird debate. If Egalitarians want to claim head in the verse simply means "source" and has nothing to do with authority they have to immediately affirm that likewise Christ has no authority over His own church, Paul says the exact same thing with the exact same word about Jesus and His church. How is the debate not over with at this point?

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭ Seems pretty clear in a teaching sense within the church at least.

[@realhusbandslovetheirwives7912]

Amen.

[@JamilaS84]

Amen.

[@cranstonsnord3625]

Outdated cultural expecations.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

@@cranstonsnord3625 I don’t think so. My household runs just fine. My wife and I accept our roles, share in the workload around the house, raise and discipline our little boy with love, and to know and talk to Jesus. The verse doesn’t mean it has to be like the 1950s with the wife being a stepford wife slave to her husband and having to jump to his every beckon call. At the end of the day if my wife and I disagree strongly about something and I feel in my heart that she is wrong, and God is telling me otherwise about something, my decision trumps hers. That’s it. it works like a well oiled machine, the key is submission and accountability on both parts to their respective roles and to The Lord. As far as authoritative roles within the church it really is pretty clear in the text, women should not be pastors. Teachers? Of course. In every sense of the meaning, but they shouldn’t exercise authority over a man, or try and do what God has called a man to do according to The Word.

[@JamilaS84]

@@Ephesians-yn8ux I'm with you brother! Regardless of the world, Christian women and men are still expected to live to a separate standard

[@realhusbandslovetheirwives7912]

That was a great stream Pastor Mike. God bless.

[@linak7155]

Hello! Where does pastor Mike teach? What church denomination does he prescribe to?

[@tam4givin]

@@linak7155 He teaches what the Bible says.

[@HopeKuhn]

@@linak7155 He’s full time online now. He used to teach at a Calvary chapel and you can find some of those videos here on his channel. But he just teaches the Bible and does that all online now.

[@linak7155]

@@HopeKuhn thank you for your quick response!

[@PT121551]

I agree with the comments I have read here . Mike, again God has used you to make clear of a very difficult issue in our church today. I hope you will continue to use this wonderful gift that God has given you to bless many people.

[@ictkanzin5314]

Awesome research and teaching. Wish this was available 20 yrs ago! You are in my top 3 favorite biblical teachers

[@Ryan-dl3pe]

Who are your other two? I'd love to check them out! I could always use some more biblical teachers to listen to!

[@ictkanzin5314]

Doug Wilson @ Cannon Press and Joel @Right Response Ministries.

[@lizzard13666]

Thanks Mike! This series is so helpful. This video helped clarify some massive confusions I've had for years, I've done some light reading on the "source" v "authority" comparison, but I really didn't know how deep the rabbit hole went!

[@gunnartesdahl9347]

As always, thanks for the great research and presentation. A few notes. The Bible never calls the husband to BE the head of his wife, but simply states that he IS the head of his wife. There is not one single passage in all of Scripture that commands men to lead their wives. Instead, the command is for husbands to LOVE their wives. Additionally, the Bible never teaches that men are the heads of their households or calls them to lead their homes. With that said, I think the whole complementarian-egalitarian debate hangs on the question: which parts of the relevant biblical texts are transcultural/normative/prescriptive, etc. and which are enculturated/non-normative/descriptive, etc. For example, you quickly cited 1 Corinthians 11:3 as proof that husbands are heads of their wives. However, if you read on, this is the foundation for Paul's argument that women should wear head coverings in worship and men should not (also, that women should have long hair and men short hair). These points are rooted in the created order of Genesis and are bookended by two statements: "Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you" (11:2) "If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God" (11:16). My point is this: why is the headship of man over woman (or husband over wife, depending on translation) transcultural but head coverings and hair length are not? Both are taught by Paul, based on the nature of creation, and are said to be traditions of the church that no other churches practice differently. This, I think, is something that both complementarians and egalitarians need to wrestle with.

[@gunnartesdahl9347]

P.S. I look forward to you tackling this in your next video re: headcoverings.

[@rachelroelofs9383]

Gunnar, I do believe I ran into you on Mike's FB page the other day! Great points you make here. When we consider the difference between the husband simply being the head vs. being called to be the head we seem to have a contrast between a state of existence determined by outside influences (not necessarily of God) and a call to exercise some kind of God-ordained authority. And I suppose that's where this idea of preeminence comes from? Incidentally, did you understand what Mike was trying to say about that? He appeared to be laughing at the concept but I couldn't work out why...

[@jackiepeddie7127]

That was just wow...you enjoyed it and we got so much from it. Thank you, may your ministry be a blessing to many.

[@guarionex4672]

Difficult to speak about but hard truths that we have to start looking into and understanding why the church is so far behind or so close to the worldly standards. Great study and great lesson! Thanks for all you do Pastor Mike! And thanks for not hiding behind social pressures. It is such a big deal these days. I think the kicker in this one was where all their resources came from. Too much extra biblical leads to extra biblical thinking. We need more bold, honest and sound Biblical truth! Keep it up!

[@Truthwar.]

The long awaited part 8. I really am following closely. It's really thorough and thoughtfully done while it remains very objective. Thanks Mike. God bless yah man.

[@steveandsarahrutledge9105]

I took time to look through this issue a few years ago when my church leadership switched over to egalitarian leadership. When I set my self to fasting and praying over the issue, right away Ephesians 5:22-23 jumped out at me, and I realized Paul was using a "kephale" (the head analogy) as the logical grounds for the wife submitting to the husband. Why is there submission BECAUSE the husband is the KEPHALE. If Paul uses Kephale as the logical grounds for submission, how could an egalitarian argue that kephale doesn't imply some sense of leadership and authority? The use of "for" (wives submit to your husbands FOR the husband is the head....) is the same word used in Matthew when Jesus gives the logical reasoning in the beatitudes: Blessed are those who mourn....why? What's the reason for their being blessed? FOR they shall be comforted. Interestingly, my new egalitarian pastor asked me at one point, "Well, Steve, imagine if you didn't have this verse [or maybe he said the Bible, can't remember exactly], what would be your conclusions? IN other words, he felt confident if I set aside the scriptures I would of course conclude there is no sense of headship, but, his test failed a few days later when in church I was looking at a husband and wife sitting in front of me: I noticed how his body was built with more strength, how her body, though weaker, was softer, and he had his arm around her, and I realized, that if I just came at this from a sort of "Alien coming from another planet observing the male and female human" I would be struck by the complimentarian natures of their bodies; I don't think God wastes a good metaphor: With all the usual (and important) qualifiers, (women are co-heirs, co-image bearers, "sons" in Christ in the sense of equal access and expectations from the Father), they are nonetheless complimentary. So, to me the better case from scripture and nature supports the complimentarian view. I have to chuckle, that egalitarian pastor (we no longer attend that church) is a wonderful brother in Christ in many respects and I like him: While like most egalitarians he seemed to eschew hierarchy and systems of submission, I had to chuckle because HE HIMSELF was an example of someone (at least for that time) I cheerfully acknowledged had a special role of authority in the church, and you know what: healthy authority and submission work great!

[@steveandsarahrutledge9105]

I wanted to add one other important qualifier that I think is less often considered, but very important: Both men and women are called to "subdue" and "watchcare" over the earth. That means that BOTH men and women have important gifts and abilities that are needed both in the family and the church and workworld to bountifully and successfully care and subdue the world; moreover, our post agrarian, technological society (for better and sometimes for worse) makes the dichotomy of what men and women do much blurrier than in an agrarian culture, so I cheerfully submit to women with roles of leadership in the church in the office of deacon or even just overseeing a particular work when they have the talent and gifting for it and have been given the work to do by our elders or other leaders. Is a woman a gifted administrator? Great. Put her in charge of the food pantry, and YES, I will submit to what she says if she's the boss. In my home, though I believe in male headship, it's done in a context of mutual submission based on our individual giftings and abilities: I mean, I haven't done my taxes in 20 years, and my heart safely trusts in my wife as she takes care of them. Finally, I think women obviously have the remarkable biological ability to bear and feed and care for children. The downside to the enticement of the "career" is I do think our Western society in popular media has worked overtime to try to make childbearing seem a drudge that gets in the ways of "real" dreams and work....like being an accountant or designing rockets. As if having children and raising them is somehow......a shabby copout. It's not. What a lie that is, as well. So, in sum: while there are differences in roles in church leadership, and in roles in the home, both men and women have gifts needed to help home, church, and the outside community--let them use them, and recognize "This be man's work" is not so clearly discernable when so much of what we do now is technologically based. All that while NOT giving ONE INCH to the denigration of motherhood and home administration that goes on in the media..... IMHO

[@lfroglfrog4962]

U are sooo Thorough & the places u take us to show us why is ASTOUNDING!!!!

[@Saratogan]

Well done. It seems to me that what Peter has to say concerning Sarah and Abraham removes the "source" versus "leadership" argument made by the egalitarians. See 1 Peter 3:5,6.

[@freechr15]

This has been such a blessing! What an amazing work you have done! I was one of them who were influenced by reading some 'scholarly work' of the egalitarians, or someone quoting egalitarian scholarIy work. I was not convinced, but it sounded legitimate. At the end I was just confused, and decided 'not to take sides' on this issue. Now I see, that at least their interpretation of 'head' is completely wrong. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this viedo for us. As a person with a degree in English lingusitics, I really appreciate it.

[@ReformedNerd]

Still here !!! Keep up the good work brother

[@marosialvarez8918]

Thank you Mike for challenging us Bereans to study the Scripture in context and examine teachings to see if they are indeed Biblically sound as well as academically supported. For some time now, as I've relied more in studying the Bible verse by verse and avoid leaning on a particular author, teacher or preacher (even you LOL) the Holy Spirit began to lead me to the truth regarding the value and purpose of authority. God, my teacher, has used your in depth extensive study of egalitarian and complimentarian views to solidify my commitment to Biblical submission and value my role as a wife and in the Church. May God bless you and keep and make his face shine upon you and give peace.

[@margaretstrauss1645]

Thank you for all of your hours and study. So much tie in to changes in society rather than the Biblr

[@JayaSavannah]

It's amazing how all your in-depth research circles through all the nuances and lands right back at what I deem to be the common-sense interpretation of the passages. While that amuses me, in no way do I mean that I don't appreciate the intense amount of labor you did for us. It's more that yet again, God in His infinite wisdom made his word simple for the everyday person and yet also complex for the scholars. ❤

[@patrickambler749]

I think it's extremely helpful as a Christian man to first know that I am supposed to be taking on the responsibility of leadership. I think it's only after establishing that we are supposed to lead that we can then turn our focus to learning how to lead well. I also think it's super important for Christian women to recognize and support male leadership, because you can't be a successful leader unless the people you're leading are willing to be led. Honestly it's asking a lot of men and women both.

[@Gamer7z7]

The necessary madness brought on by poor scholarship… Thank you Mike for going through these lexicons and being respectful of the scholars

[@tsukareppi]

Well, as much as I don’t like it, I have to admit that your arguments convinced me of the complementarian position. I hate that. But if that’s what the Bible says, then it’s true no matter what my emotions say. Thank you for such an exhaustive and I’m sure exhausting study. I have learned so much from your evenhanded, cool-headed approach.

[@sammydarko5358]

You were deceived before by unclean spirits - 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

[@sarahboudreault7779]

I’m just so confused as to WHY husbands are the ONLY people on the planet in a place of authority that CAN’T exercise their authority in any way. That’s not the case with any other authority position on the planet, so why is it different in marriage. I’m not saying he should be abusive but I think if he’s really in authority then shouldn’t he be able to discipline in a way that is protective, NOT punitive or self seeking, not a power trip but for the good and protection of his wife and their marriage or children if they have them. I totally disagree with the CDD (Christian Domestic Discipline) people. They are absolutely abusive, they are self seeking, on a power trip and treat their wives like property etc. Or at least 99% of them. It’s definitely patriarchal or perhaps even worse in some cases. I just want boundaries and perimeters that are protective. Maybe it’s because I didn’t have that growing up. I knew I was loved and had some protection but not really any discipline, not many rules really. Everything was pretty “loosey goosey” We weren’t allowed to smoke, drink, do drugs. Although we did behind their backs, well the two former anyway and smoked a little weed too. The discipline for doing so wasn’t much other than a lecture. We were all different ages though, I had four older brothers. By the time I was 6 my two oldest brothers were adults, so they were smoking around us. They were allowed to in the house. I’ve watched R rated movies by the time I was 6 etc. Anyway, maybe I crave some kind of perimeters, boundaries, discipline that’s not punitive, or selfish but protective. I just don’t understand how husbands have any authority if they can’t exercise it in any way because every other position of authority does exercise it or at least can. Confusing. Maybe I’ll have more understanding after I watch the whole video. BTW, my husband doesn’t discipline me. Lol. I just don’t understand how else authority can be exercised besides that. It doesn’t make sense to me. He can state his wishes but anyone can do that. I’d like to know what it’s supposed to look like. Thanks for your ministry Mike! It’s such a blessing, you are a blessing. God Bless you!