Famous Mega Multiples & the Medicine That Made Them

[@seaborgium919]

Finding out Mama Dr Jones has a first name feels like finding out your own parents aren't "Mom" and "Dad"

[@jaye8792]

😂😂

[@eliscanfield3913]

Or your teachers have both first names and lives outside the classroom

[@magdolyn]

It always throws me when she collabs with people like Dr. Mike (who has no last name in my book) and they call her Danielle. I double take every time.

[@spacelasertech8359]

​@@magdolyn Dr. Mike's last name is literally written on his scrubs

[@beccadotelpy]

It was also trippy to realize my aunts and uncles weren't named "Aunt" or "Uncle".

[@laurahubbard6906]

There was a story some years ago about twins who were adopted separately. When they finally met, their picture was in the newspaper, and someone who saw it told a friend, "They look just like you." Turns out they were identical triplets, separated through adoption.

[@TinyLittleSilver]

Yeah, the doco is called 'Three Identical Strangers'. Pretty sure it was two guys went to university and people kept mistaking one for the other, and then they ended up meeting, finding out they were twins...then this made the newspaper and then someone showed the article to their friend, who happened to be the triplet.

[@DoKuShOsTaR]

Yeah. Has a pretty sad ending though. One of them self-unalived eventually, and many people assume it’s due to the consistent mental health issues they all suffered, likely due to being forcibly seperated. But you never know.

[@sh4577]

They were separated on purpose due to a medical study that they were unwittingly a part of, as were many other twins and triplets put into the adoption system. It’s very unethical and sad.

[@missflowerpower8724]

An absolutely VILE scenario!

[@trudy__taylorandjorjamummy]

I was just thinking about the 3 brothers and the documentary on them, couldn't remember what it was called, Will see if I can find it now I know what it's called ❤

[@emilylikesboardgames]

My dad is a triplet born in 1956. Identical twins boys and a fraternal third boy. They did an X-ray when my gram started growing fast and saw three spines and two skulls, so they really weren’t sure what was going to happen. Born at 34 weeks, vaginally. They didn’t stay in the hospital very long and basically their NICU was their house. To this day, you can call one of them and it’s a guarantee they are watching the same thing as one of the others.

[@yasmeenm122]

My dad was also a triplet born in 1957 in Kuwait. I was told they were the first set of triplets there since the country was established, also born vaginally. My mother on the other hand is an identical twin. I am always terrified now of having twins or triplets 😂 however I always thought it was amusing

[@sarahedwards2]

@@yasmeenm122 Your mom is an identical twin, so not on her side. Are your dad and his siblings identical or fraternal? If they are fraternal, you could have inherited the double ovulation gene from his mother.

[@yasmeenm122]

@@sarahedwards2 my father is fraternal, his brothers are identical. The only way to differentiate my uncles is by their moustaches. My dad definitely looks like he was just their brother, not their twin

[@sarahedwards2]

@@yasmeenm122 So yes, you could have inherited the hyperovulation gene from your grandma.

[@JodiLeaSnakeQueen]

@sarahedwards2 wait. I've always tried to figure this out, but can't grasp it lol I have twin fraternal girls They don't run on their dad's side, and don't think my mother's. Where could it have come from? My mother was the youngest of 9 but no multiples. Unfortunately her mother died when she was 6 so we don't know much about her. Can you explain? Could I have inherited the double ovulation from my grandmother?

[@Maria-jq3zv]

I was surprised you didn’t mention the first surviving set of nonuplets that were born recently! It’s not known whether she used fertility treatments or conceived naturally (though I would assume she used fertility treatments). She thought she was having seven babies until she went in for a c section and the doctors found two more! She’s originally from Mali, but she had to be moved to Morocco because the health system in Mali couldn’t accommodate such a high order multiple delivery. The babies were in the NICU for over a year, but they recently celebrated their second birthday at home! While not a lot is known about the babies, I’m surprised you didn’t mention them because they just broke the record for highest order of multiple to be born alive!

[@Kirs10ollier]

I wondered why they weren't included, but I assume it's due to the lack of information on it. I feel like 9 would be impossible without fertility treatments so something doesn't add up.

[@Maria-jq3zv]

@@Kirs10ollier Yeah, I assume she used fertility treatments because nine would be pretty much impossible without them. But there isn’t any actual information on if they did or what treatments were used. But it is verified. The babies celebrated their second birthday recently, and their first one while at home. It seems like the parents are wanting to stay private about theirs and their babies’ lives, which I don’t blame them for.

[@kimpassmore2864]

She did use IVF. It was in an article published announcing their births. Pretty amazing! Surprisingly, she wants more, or so she said after the nonuplets were born. She may have changed her mind since then. Lol Kids are special, but a lot of work!

[@honorcollins6962]

She was on bed rest and being constantly monitored in hospital for the last few weeks of her pregnancy so they knew there were 9 at that point. The c-section birth broke a world record for number of attending medical staff, as all 9 babies needed a whole team of medics each, as well as the world record for highest number of surviving multiples.

[@kimpassmore2864]

@@honorcollins6962 she was on bedrest for more than a few weeks before delivery. Amazing!

[@PedroBenolielBonito]

Imagine Ava and Olivia trying to explain their siblings: 'we're identical twins, but we also have three other twins that don't look like us, but they are also our twins, they just weren't in the same egg with us'. Wild.

[@heathercraig8902]

I know a set of identical twins and have known them since their teens. They invited me to their 30th birthday and I found out they were actually identical triplets, but their sister passed away shortly after birth. The parents will always remember the sister and my friends acknowledge her too, but I think it's easier for them just to let everyone assume they are twins than explain such a sad story all the time.

[@madhatterline]

I have definitely heard of cases of triplets, where two of the babies were twins before. That must be a weird one to explain, but also kind of weird for the one who is not identical but growing up exactly alongside identicals, especially if they are all the same gender. You are a part of something special, but will also never understand what it is like to be one of the identicals, like a third wheel lol.

[@hannahkirby6051]

When I was in my senior year a set of trizygotic asymmetrical quadruplets; 1 boy 2 identical girls plus a non identical girl; transferred to the school a few years below me. Their home room teacher (who was a science teacher) was adamant that you couldn’t be both fraternal and identical at the same time. It completely did her head in.

[@Kimmie6772]

​@@hannahkirby6051 they must not have met many triplets lol. Most of the ones I've been introduced to were identical twins with a fraternal third.

[@fay-amieaspen6046]

The other 3 babies are not a Singular Twin of the Twins. They're just 3 regular Sister Siblings. The 5 children are known as Quintuplets or Quints.

[@theyoungyogi]

The Dionne quintuplets are an interesting story. Born in 1934 in Canada, all identical girls. They were the first quints to survive through infancy and into adulthood. Two are still alive today. The strangest part of the story is they were taken away from their parents to be put on display for the public and became wards of the state. The gov't essentially profited off of them.

[@MusikGirl23]

Yup, they were robbed of a normal life, period. Their life overall was a tragic story…when then first septuplets were born the three (at the time) surviving sisters wrote to the parents telling them to keep them out of public display/media to live as normal a life as possible.

[@deidrekoehl5193]

I came to the comments just to see if anyone mentioned the Dionnes. I can't believe she didn't talk about them.

[@melissablais6030]

I was obsessed with the Dionne quintuplets in high school. I did an essay on them in one of my classes, one assignment I actually worked hard on lol

[@foxceles]

Honestly pretty much what the parents on these shows are doing.

[@arielvalence7669]

Yes the Dionnes! I was surprised they didn't get mentioned too. My family lore says I'm related to them somehow 🤷‍♀️

[@Darkflowerchyld718]

My grandma was a twin born in 1932. Her and her sister were premature and the doctors basically told my Great Grandma it was in god's hands. Luckily we're a Brooklyn family and my Great Grandma knew exactly what to do. She wrapped up her baby girls and brought them to Luna Park to Doctor Martin Couney's "Infantorium" where he had incubators for premature babies. The babies by default became sideshow attractions but it was okay because they lived. Dr. Couney is the reason I'm alive today. My Grandma lived to be 88 and her sister is still alive and kicking in Florida.

[@TheKrispyfort]

The side-show money funded the foundational research that led to the modern NICU, giving hope to so many families then all the way to now. Thank you for sharing your family history link to that project ❤

[@chocjamie]

Wow that's an amazing story! Thank you for sharing 😊

[@darla1aeryn1fan]

I have a very similar family story! My grandmother and her sister were twins born in 1938, premature, weighing two pounds and change each. Their grandma and grandpa, my great-great-grandparents, were originally farmers from Iowa and they built their granddaughters two wooden incubators like they would use for chicken eggs. Both babies lived, although neither is with us today. :(

[@Annie_Annie__]

@@darla1aeryn1fanMy great-great-grandparents did something similar when my great-grandma was born premature. My great-great-grandma lived until I was 11 (one of my prized possessions is a photo of her, my Great-Granny, my grandma, my mom, and me. Five generations of women alive and together at the same time.), so she told me herself how my Great-Granny was so small she fit in a little shoebox. They wrapped the shoebox in blankets and put it in the makeshift incubator. I never fully understood the incubator, but it was somehow heated using heat from their wood stove. This was in 1916. When my own kid was born 4 weeks early, and was in the NICU for a short time, I thought about Great-Granny in her shoebox and how far we’d come in 100 years.

[@jordanscott5399]

My grandma was born at 28 weeks in the 40s! No fancy incubators or medical equipment. She was born on Halloween and was home for Christmas. She’s alive and well with no issues from prematurity! It’s amazing!

[@hannahlamar3291]

My dad is one of a set of spontaneous triplets that all survived with no health complications in the late 50s, their sister went on to have twins so it definitely runs in the family

[@Voiceofreason-l5c]

Veteran L&D RN here, who has also carried twins to term, so I find these stories both fascinating and scary! My aunt's story is one of the most medically noteworthy I've seen. She had triplets back in the 1930's in our tiny rural hospital at "about 8 months." Imagine the shock of 2 extra babies! (Side note: There were no incubators around here back then. I have an old black and white photo of the 3 preemies inside a CARDBOARD BOX, placed on the OPEN DOOR OF AN OVEN that was set on "warm!" I don't think that would pass inspection today! Lol.) They thrived without any health issues until they started dying suddenly in their late teens/early 20's. Doctors/coroners couldn't find a cause of death and realized there must be something genetic going on. They started testing surviving relatives. Their tragic deaths helped the medical community discover SADS, or Sudden Arrhythmia Death Syndrome. It's rare enough that it had been a mystery why healthy young people would die during normal activity. (Cardiac activity can't be measured after the heart isn't beating, so it's not seen on autopsy.) Their deaths, while tragic, saved a lot of future lives.

[@mckenzietwine]

Thanks for sharing your family's story. I'm pretty sure one of my relatives died from SADS. He was having a conservation with his wife in the kitchen when he just suddenly died. His daughter had only been born a few months prior to his death. A lot of my family members have been tested for it now because it was such a shock at the time.

[@pattywieder3268]

Yes! My husband's grandma said they put her preemie sister in the oven to stay warm too!

[@elisharoberts1029]

This is an incredible story. I'm sure it's hard for your aunt, but I hope she has some comfort in knowing how their lives and deaths provided new medical knowledge to the world. Thank you for sharing it.

[@leemasters3592]

My grandfather and his twin were born premature in 1921- they were sent home with the instructions to keep them warm, feed them if they would eat and hope for the best. They also got put next to the warm oven or on the open door when it was cooling down. It worked- from being tiny and underweight he became a chubby toddler and lived into his 90s. His twin also survived but passed from cancer in their 60s

[@katedwyer5599]

My midwife was a pilot light preemie, too.

[@kyrisandvik126]

My mom did IVF and they put in 5 embryos, she got pregnant with quadruplets, eventually one of the heart beats went away so she ended up having triplets (my brothers and I). She gave birth to us at 35 weeks and we each weighed about 5 pounds and she was 44 years old.

[@carolynnalvarez]

God bless you all what are the odds!?! Thats amazing

[@rebasack21]

My mom has a twin brother. When people learn this the most common thing she gets asked is "are you identical twins?" She has just started answering yes to that question so the less dense people nearby can have a laugh.

[@toxicginger9936]

In all fairness, in todays more transgender accepting portions of society, it's not as stupid of a question. But I would definitely still chuckle at someone asking your mom that and her saying yes.

[@wolfwhisperertf]

Ya I have a twin brother and once we were standing next to each other and someone asked if we were identical. Mind you I have grey hazel eyes, brown hair and present as a girl (they/them pronouns) and he has ice blue eyes and black hair. Sometimes I wonder if people know what identical means...

[@ThKiwi]

My mom has a twin brother, sometimes if they’re feeling spicy the answer is “well, except for the p***s” 😂😂😂

[@paperfoxka]

​@@toxicginger9936 we dont really know how the genetics of being trans works yet but I think it'd be fair to assume that both twins would be trans if they were identical.

[@wickeddance93]

People used to ask the same about me and my brother. We aren’t the same gender or even twins - he’s 2 years older 😂 we looked very similar as kids I guess.

[@BtwAlice]

a similar thing just happened in my country of Vietnam a few months ago. A couple had 9 healthy embryos after years of desperately trying to have a baby. From what I heard, the doctor suggested them to only keep 2 or 3 because the mom's body can't handle any more than that. It was miraculous and heartbreaking at the same time.

[@astranaut3967]

I can't believe the most famous quintuplets from Canada were not mentioned! You should do a whole video on the Dionne quintuplets. 5 identical girls born in 1934. 2 of the Quints are still alive ❤

[@ladylove8565]

I was waiting for this one too and didn't hear it. It's a sad story I believe they treated the babies like zoo animals. I'm a Canadian and always find stories like this fascinating when they come from my home country and even more when it's an interesting story close to where I live. Recently discovered a really cool lake from a channel I watch that I never heard of and it's only a few hours away.

[@nyves104]

I was waiting for them to get mentioned too!

[@alisoncummins2726]

The Dionne Quintuplets were born at home in 1934 and kept warm in the wood stove. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets Dr Jones!!!

[@mocat1]

What? They aren’t mentioned? (Only just at the New Zealand quints.) I’m wondering if as the more time passed, the less younger people from other countries are aware of them, as they did seek out lives from the spotlight, what with how horrible they were treated as children.

[@Reticence9zen924]

Those girls are believed to be a set of sextuplets but the mother recalls passing something weird vaginally while pregnant, which suggests one embryo miscarried in the pregnancy.

[@rachicolate]

High order multiples like these are still so wild to me-I used to work in prenatal healthcare, and amongst thousands of cases I only encountered one set of triplets, let alone any more than that!

[@sep.s]

My mum and my aunt were born in the early in the 1950s. My Grandma didn’t even know she was having twins until the day before when the medical student found two heartbeats and the consultant dismissed it initially! They are also what’s called “mirror twins” which means one is right-sided dominant and one is left-sided dominant.

[@itsema91]

My dad and my uncle are also mirror twins born in the 50s :)

[@sep.s]

@@itsema91 Must had been something in the water then 😂

[@LDF1218]

Fascinating. If I’m remembering correctly, mirror twins happen when the embryo splits at a later stage than is typical. This can also lead to conjoined twins.

[@bendakstarkiller3407]

Missing twins would be more common back then, don't think Ultrasound was a thing.

[@Tasoq]

The story of the 60's quintuplets surprised me. Amazing that they all survived

[@mckaylakennedy4521]

I babysat for identical triplets as a teenager- really cute and they enjoyed trying to confuse me! Never told them I could figure it out because their mom assigned each one a hairstyle.

[@Verymolerat]

😂

[@emilyhubbard137]

We had a family friend with identical twins. One girl had a pink bracelet and one girl had a purple bracelet until they were like 8 😂 and I mean those cloth bracelets that you tie on that do NOT come off

[@wolfwhisperertf]

I'm a twin, no fertilely treatments but my mother found out later that her great grandmother had 5 sets of twins but only one twin survived each pregnancy except for the last where both babies died. My mom always says that the reason she stopped at 3 was because she just had a feeling that if she didn't she was going to end up with 5.

[@scampjac]

My aunt gave birth in 1956 to identical twins. No one knows there were twins until the second baby appeared! I can’t imagine how overwhelming that must have been.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

My daughter’s friends are identical twins born in the ‘70s. The second one was a complete surprise!

[@c.c.g.876]

The same thing happened to my great grandmother in 1941

[@tinas_hotdog_sophie]

My grandma did too in 1964. They had no idea there was a second one.. That is why they are 30 minutes apart. My aunt took her sweet time being for once alone in there :P

[@Chelsea34567891]

similar happened to my grandma when she had mom and aunt in 1975. My great aunt was a telephone operator at the time, and they called in to tell her, and she yelled “holy shit there’s two!” or something like that and she got in trouble for swearing 🤣

[@c.c.g.876]

@Sophie my grandmother and her sister were born 20 minutes apart! My great grandmother insisted there was another baby but she was dismissed by the medical team. I wonder if that's a normal time frame for a vaginal delivery 🤔 Nowadays multiples are usually delivered by C-section so they are born only a few minutes apart

[@CrunchyGreenWater]

I just read about the Lawson family and it's just so sad! The step-father was an absolute MONSTER and I wish that someone had helped the mom and children escape. My heart goes out to all of them. 🙏

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤..

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

My wife and I conceived with IUI. She described it as "catheter sex."

[@sayhello5377]

I’ve done two rounds of IUI (finally conceived on my 3rd IVF cycle). I just have to say that is such a weird take… There’s absolutely nothing sexual about having a thin, plastic tube up your hooha while your legs are up in stirrups in a cold procedure room. Like. Nothing sexual about it whatsoever.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@@sayhello5377 I think it was more a description of how conception happens so she can explain it to other people, not an explanation of the feeling or experience. Just the mechanics.

[@Silentgrace11]

@@sayhello5377 I much prefer the description of turkey baster ;) But I think it's honestly to each their own haha.

[@Yubsie]

I'm currently pregnant by IUI and I lovingly referred to it as "A date with the medical turkey baster". THe phrase "Your jizz jar is in the linen closet" also got used

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@@Yubsie We were informed that our hospital doesn't handle medical transport... of the sperm from the 6th floor to the 5th floor. We had to take it in the elevator.

[@nicole4ndrea93]

I met the Marrs while working my last job! They were still newborns; complete sweethearts and angels. Their parents were super nice as well. Glad to see they got a shout-out and that they’re doing well!

[@Victoria-hp6sf]

My mom did IVF in February 1999 to have me in Nov of that year. The doctor implanted 5 embryos because my mom was 36 at the time and never carried a baby to term. At the first ultrasound there were 2 heartbeats, but at the next one, it was just me. I'm not sure if my sibling was identical or fraternal, however. According to my mom, when the 5 embryos were implanted, she had to sign a waiver that said if there were more than 3 babies that took that she'd have to get a selective reduction. She told me that she would have refused the reduction but signed the paper anyway. I'm thankful that they implanted 5 because she ended up getting me! Twins do run in my family; my grandma was born in 1937 and had a twin who was stillborn. It was very interesting because my grandma told us stories about how her mom had to fight for her; the doctors told her that her baby had died and that she needed to get rid of it (can't remember if at that time they would have done a D&C or induced labor somehow). However my great grandma knew that she still had a live baby in there and apparently the doctors were shocked when she gave birth to two babies and one was alive!

[@toxicginger9936]

It's not surprising that the doctor *Transferred* 5 embryos in '99. IVF was vastly different than it is in the more recent decade. It would be very interesting to ask your mom what day of development the embryos were when transferred. Today, embryos are typically transferred at 5 or 6 days of development; while it used to be most common to transfer at 3 days. But they discovered that most embryos that 'arrest' (stop developing) do so between days 3 -5, and it's commonly *half* to *all* that stop developing because of non-viability. Back in the 90's, transferred 3-day embryos had roughly a 15-20% chance of resulting in live birth. Where-as today, 5or6 day embryos that have been tested for chromosomal abnormalities (that would make them non-viable, non-viable don't get transferred), with supportive medications the mom takes, have about 76% change of resulting in live birth. (That is the current live-birth rate for my specific fertility doctor, others may vary). I asked my doc if he would transfer 2 embryos, (I thought twins would be awesome) and he flat out refused due to the very high probability of having multiples or even high-order multiples. Since my first was a preemie, I am considered high risk and he would not transfer more than 1 at a time. And interestingly, identical twins are more common in IVF today than in natural conception.

[@coconoisette]

Do you know how a selective reduction works? Do they just poke one of the babies or...? I can't imagine this be safe for the other babies in there, a miscarriage is traumatic for your body

[@BelleRose11000]

I loved this presentation. I would love for you to one day make a video about the Dionne quintuplets. For those who don't know, they are the first known surviving quintuplets born in 1934 in Ontario. There was controversy in how the Canadian government made them a tourist attraction, leading to a settlement.

[@autiejedi5857]

The Dionne quints were natural, born in Canada in the 1930s. There was a made-for-tv movie about them in the 1970s or 1980s. Incredible story.

[@TheKrispyfort]

1980s. Kids were horribly abused by the people who stole them from their family in the name of protection 😢

[@carolannebouchard837]

1994, actually. I remember auditionning for the movie with my sister and I'm born in the late 80's. Didn't get it though, our english proficiency was -10 😅

[@racheld1300]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets yes

[@sarahedwards2]

I live about 4 hours south of where they were born (our cottage is near there), and we studied them in 10th-grade French class, and my dad, my brother and I went to the house which is now a museum. They weighed between 1 pound 14 ounces and 2 pounds 14 ounces, and the museum has 5 beanbags, one each that weighs the same as each baby!

[@missheniki]

Theirs is such a tragic story. They were the first surviving Quints and the govt took custody of them to make them a tourist attraction. It speaks to the historic mistreatment of Francophones in Ontario.

[@whitneythiher6021]

My mom did IVF to have my brother and I(twins). They put in six.They did so many because mom was 54 at the time(1999) and had already had two failed attempts. My parents were and still are over the moon about having us.❤

[@beetlejamie8065]

That's an awesome and inspiring story, thanks for sharing!

[@southurnstar]

The most interesting pregnancy story I've heard was about a woman who went through IVF. She had 1 viable embryo transered and got pregnant successfully. But at her ultrasound they discovered that she was actually pregnant with 3 and the other 2 babies were conceived naturally around the same time as her IVF implantation

[@toxicginger9936]

That's not interesting, it's wildly irresponsible. IVF doctors' orders: abstain from intercourse during the IVF transfer cycle. She recklessly endangered her one viable IVF embryo.

[@Iflie]

They do actually tell you not to have unprotected sex around the IVF time so that's on them. Sounds like she could just have used regular fertility meds.

[@addiemarie1134]

storyyyy time: i’m the oldest of 4. so it goes me, the twin girls, and the boy. we were all IUI, just like the first couple you mentioned. my mom had me right after her first pregnancy/miscarriage, making me a rainbow baby. they did some more IUI, only to find out they were pregnant with TRIPLETS. the twins were in the uterus where they were supposed to be, but the other triplet (we always say it was a boy) had lodged himself in one of her tubes and GREW. im pretty sure that this is called an ectopic pregnancy, but not 100% sure. she had internal bleeding, they took her in, did exploratory surgery with the expectation of her and the babies having around 24 hours left (i was two by the way). they found the fetus lodged in her tube, tied it off, and did an emergency c-section i belief to make sure the babies were okay. they doctor said that they were wiggling around and it looked like they were dancing ☺️. she was told she could have no more babies. SOMEHOW, by the grace of God, my brother came around- a boy after three girls. kind of a crazy story

[@whychoooseausername4763]

TW : infant death. The saddest story invoolving multiples I ever witnessed (and this was just weeks after we had successfully delivered triplets through vaginal birth) was Mum going into labour and delivering one twin who died and going to his funeral before managing to deliver the other at near full term. I honestly admire the strength of everyone involved, including my ridiculous self.

[@audeai4021]

I remember the hate Nadya got for having 3 pregnancies of multiples. And now learning about her doctor, I just feel so bad for her. 😢😢😢

[@Angel0fTruth]

I remember the hatred being moreso bc she was on welfare and medicaid paid for the IVF it seems.

[@melissaharris3890]

And while her doctor is to blame, she agreed with implanting a large number at the same time. I felt bad for her other kids.

[@michelleelmore5533]

She was living off the state and was living with her mom. So yeah not only was she at fault so was the doctor. When the news came out most people in the medical field knew it was going to go bad all around especially finding out what the doctor did.

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

@@melissaharris3890she agreed because she trusted her doctor and had no reason not to, and because as far as she knew he had been doing 6 embryos every time and she had only had single pregnancies and one set of twins, so when he told her they would do 6 again she (as a normal human and not a trained medical professional) trusted his judgment and assumed she would have 1 or maybe 2.

[@gamegeargirl8086]

Check out the Dionne Quintuplets born in Canada in 1934! They had a really sad life as they were taken away from their parents and used as tourist attractions in Ontario during the depression.

[@carleenciarkowski7628]

yeah, I was surprised she missed these quintuplets

[@bronwyno6675]

I was going to comment about the Dionne's as well. Not only were they surviving quintuplets, they were monozygotic!

[@dancerb249]

I thought I remembered that the parents either gave them willingly or took money for them but there was a lot of sketchiness for sure

[@Clem20033]

@@dancerb249 Nope, the father thought about showing them, but the government of ontario took the quintuplets away saying the parents were bad parents. Note they didn't take any other other kids away from the family and there were 5 or 6 of them, they just took the quints. Then they made "quintland" a tourist attraction where the girls would be shown to the public twice a day like monkeys. took about 10 years for the parents to get their daughters back. in those 10 years, the government of ontario made MILLIONS off Quintland. The quintuplets had to sue the ontario government in the 1990s to get some of that money back. a very sad story,

[@salmaislam3415]

Also mali women who give birth 9 babies and all survive on birth . I think than are still alive and almost 2 or 3 year's old.

[@magnolia31611]

I remember seeing a documentary once of a set of 4 identical girls born in the UK, and I think they were also spontaneously conceived. I always found their case so fascinating. I also remember following a couple who had a set of 4 girls at the same time and the girls were two sets of identical twins, and I remember thinking that was pretty incredible to have happen.

[@FennecTheRabbit]

I remember the Octomom, I was in college and there were HALLOWEEN costumes of her (so like octopus arms with a baby in each type things). Like if you were ALIVE and AWARE you heard about this woman. That pregnancy had to have been ROUGH (I can't imagine carrying twins, let alone octuplets).

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

She carried both. Her poor uterus 😭 such a miracle they all survived and are healthy. It’s absolutely criminal what that man did to her

[@jeanetterenstrom3887]

Love Mama Dr Jones content! Whenever I finish watching a video, I always let the ads run all the way through to make sure she gets her ad revenue. Well deserved! 🙌

[@meredith1313]

I had heard of “octo-mom” but I was too young to really understand at the time. Thanks for the in-depth on these interesting life stories!

[@isabellepanza5679]

Me too! I had heard of her, but I was too young to really be paying attention at the time.

[@highlander6964]

I live in the tiny town of Callander, Ontario Canada where we have our own famous Quints , the Dionne Quints! Complete with their own little museum house and the house of their Doctor is also our Callander museum with Dionne clothing, articles and infos. The Dionne quints had a tough childhood, being on display, and admittedly, our Ontario government was terrible handling the situation, but the Dionne Quints were adorable, wee girls who grabbed the hearts of the world. Luv your vids!!

[@natashaw401]

Neat u live in that town

[@highlander6964]

@@natashaw401 Yes I do! Every year we celebrate the Quints B’day with a special day and few times they’ve been here to visit. The house they lived in when they moved back with their parents is now a senior’s residence and the house they were born in is a museum

[@highlander6964]

If Mama Doc has an email, I’d be happy to send a few pics

[@evonnagale3045]

I cannot get over the fact that every single set of multiples either had a longer gestation that I did, weighed more than I did at birth, or both. Like, my mother barely managed to birth the 4 kids she had, so these women seem extra exceptional to me.

[@gasparinha]

Right? My daughter was 1070g at 31 weeks - and not a triplet! LOL Preemies are superheroes. 🤜🤛

[@BriBee2023]

I had fraternal twins but conceived them on different days due to hyper-ovulation! They are technically 4 days apart 😊

[@Awakening_Sunshine]

The Gardner Quad Squad are quadruplets that came out of IVF. There were two embryos transferred (they were only able to recover two eggs from the mother), and both split, resulting in two sets of identical twins (all girls)

[@Lillireify]

Oh my god, I'm happy I'm not in that mum's place!... Hoping for one, getting four! O.o I'm glad I had one transferred and one girl is in the making :)

[@Awakening_Sunshine]

@@Lillireify well that was their only shot at IVF because they were the only two eggs they could extract from the mom, so I think they wanted to transfer both so their chances of a baby were maximized

[@Lillireify]

@@Awakening_Sunshine hey, no judgement from me, had my one embryo not worked I'd do the same as those parents (I have 2 remaining). I'm just glad to not be in this momma's shoes, I'm a wuss so for me a possibility of twins was too much to handle :D

[@Awakening_Sunshine]

@@Lillireify I teach preschool and I have a set of twins (3f) in my class. Mom just had a baby boy at the beginning of May, too, I could never

[@Lillireify]

@@Awakening_Sunshine same girl, same! :) That momma is a rockstar!

[@ERYN__]

Yes! Please do an Octomom episode, but there's more urgent issues.

[@myriamcroteau7006]

Did you know about the Dionne sisters? It was a huge thing here in Canada. They even made a movie about it. They were the first set of quintuplet to survive in 1934. They were sadly exploited in the circus and stuff because "freak shows" were a big thing back then and 5 girls born at the same time was never before seen and people were extremely curious. You should check it out.

[@auntlynnie]

My brother & sister-in-law had quadruplets in 2002. 2 boys, 2 girls. My sister gave birth to a full-term baby the day before the quads were born (my SIL carried to 33.5 weeks). My sister barely looked pregnant next to my SIL, even though she was much further along. Only one was below 4 pounds, and that baby was3 pounds, 14 ounces. And yep, they had a toddler who was conceived in the same way the quads.

[@auntlynnie]

Also, my sister and I were surprise twins who were due in January 1970, but were born in December 1969. Big surprise for our parents!

[@princess4u62]

⁠@@auntlynnie I bet you’re parents were overjoyed when they found out they had 2 what a blessing. I was a singleton due on Christmas Day but I waited Until January 1st 😮 My dad joked that he couldn’t “claim” me on the taxes that year, to this day he still tells that story!! 😂

[@auntlynnie]

@@princess4u62 My dad used to joke about being able to claim both of us on their 1969 taxes! Dad wasn’t in the delivery room (because 1969), and he didn’t believe the nurse who came to the waiting room to tell him they had 2 daughters. Also, I was born first, and my mother told the doctor there was another baby coming, but he told her she was wrong, that it was the placenta, and it was sometimes large (because 1969 misogyny). The nurse delivered my sister 2 minutes after I was born. I used to call her the world’s largest living afterbirth. 😂 I have a terrible sense of humor.

[@princess4u62]

@@auntlynnie WOW!! What a crazy, funny, exciting story! I enjoyed reading it so much. I have to be honest, I laughed, when you used call your sister “The world largest living afterbirth” we have the same sense of humor, because that sounds like something I’d say to my younger sister. Thanks for sharing your story. 😊🤗

[@jaycolbs3251]

​@@auntlynnie My step moms mother had the same thing happen to her in '66. She told them she was having another baby and the Dr said pretty much the same thing and he was wrong lol. She had a boy and a girl.

[@OhiChicken]

This is one of the only times a yt Short caused me to seek out the full video lol

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@Dietconsulting]

My great aunt was pregnant with twins in 1943 in Scotland. They heard two heart beats at about 24 weeks. When she told me about the experience she said one perk was they doubled her protein ration and 2 eggs per week was amazing

[@toxicginger9936]

2 eggs per week? Holy moly, I cannot even imagine living on rations like that, (I get it, war-time and all). My OB wants me to eat 2 eggs per DAY for proper protein for a single baby.

[@mangantasy289]

There was a similar documentary on mega multiples in German TV some years ago. If I recall correctly, one of the mother was pregnant with to two sets of identical twins (2 boys, 2 girls) completely naturally (meaning no fertility treatment involved). They all survived and did well. They also had an older sister.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@jeanniewhite5646]

You may be interested in the Dionne quintuplets from Canada! I feel like you could do a whole video on them… they were born in 1934 in rural Quebec and the family were poor farmers. So poor in fact that the identical female quints became wards of the crown and were put on display in a zoo type fashion. They were raised and cared for by drs and nurses and studied for years until they stopped making money and were given back to the family. Very interesting story indeed!

[@TheKrispyfort]

Abused too

[@christine08238]

They were born outside Callander, Ontario, not in Quebec. I live in North Bay, Ontario and the house was on display on the side of the highway most of my life. They have moved it since but it was a museum for years and years.

[@jeanniewhite5646]

@@christine08238 yes you’re absolutely right. I messed up saying Quebec because I know they were French speaking but after doing some reading realized it was northern Ontario. Such a sad story nonetheless

[@RuminatingRaptor]

The Dionne quintuplets, born in Canada in 1934 were even more of a miracle. They were the first set of quintuplets to survive into infancy. All five survived into adulthood. They were identical. They also show how the fascination was there before social media was a thing. The poor children were exploited and abused.

[@abigailchiesa1337]

My mom and uncle were twins born in 1962. It was my grandma’s first pregnancy and they just assumed she was having a big baby, didn’t realize it was twins until the doctors noticed she was still in labor after giving birth to my uncle. It’s so wild how far technology has come when it comes to monitoring pregnancies!

[@alexreid1173]

I knew a set of identical triplets when I was growing up. People had a really hard time keeping them all straight, but they ended up going for very different styles and different activities when we got older. I rarely ever saw them together. I find the psychology of multiples fascinating lol

[@Jayelsea]

SAME!! growing up, our next door neighbors had identical triplets boys, Jim, John and Jerry. I was about 7yrs old when we finally moved in to the house my dad had built next to where they lived. They were probably 10yrs older than I was. It took me about 5yrs to finally be able to tell them apart 😂 they helped my dad a lot with building the house so my dad was able to tell them apart a lot sooner than I could haha. Nicest guys, and family. 🫶🫶🫶

[@TheKrispyfort]

Octomom was interviewed by Dr.Phil, and was trying to explain that she'd been trying to have one more child not eight, so shouldn't have been labelled irresponsible by the media.

[@nowandaround312]

She was CORRECTLY labelled as irresponsible because she asked for so many embryos to be implanted at once. If she only wanted one more baby then she would have asked for one. She knew how IVF worked. It was even more irresponsible that she asked for at least six embryos to be implanted at once when she had already six other children *and* was raising so many kids as a single parent by choice. The "doctor" is equally at fault for agreeing to it and for convincing her to start a new IVF cycle for each pregnancy before using up the existing embryos. I'm glad he lost his license.

[@jcam5064]

I would consider myself irresponsible to go from the 2 I have to 3. Going from 6 to 7 or whatever her intention was, is still super irresponsible. If she had one she probably would have gone for another and another.

[@cheryl9715]

She got in trouble for welfare fraud and spending her tuition money to get pregnant, and because she had 14 children she was living off the government for years, because she had no job. She did pornagraphic stuff for a short while to pay Bill's when she got thrown of welfare.

[@GorgieClarissa]

She is absolutely labeled correctly as being irresponsible. This was her 3rd IVF. she couldn't even handle her other kids. She went forward with yet again, another ivf with an irresponsible doctor. She might not be medically responsible for this abhorrent amount of children on the 3rd pregnancy, but she irresponsibly made the choice to get pregnant again for the 3rd time as a single mom and zero way to support her other kids who also needed her. I've watched so many interviews with her... and I feel bad for her kids, but I do hate her. Those kids lacked a lot of life because of her awful decisions. She's a terrible person.

[@rebeccaholcombe9043]

​@@GorgieClarissa I think of it as a mental illness. Baby crazy. Happens a lot with people who have infertility and people who do have fertility. I have touches of it myself but I see the hunger for more children as a mental illness and try to take care of the two I already have been blessed with.

[@mamanursetina]

Great content, as always!!

[@pinksenshi9690]

I got to help deliver quadruplets once, the NICU had a station ready for each -I was team D. They were filming for some show about multiples

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

That's amazing!!!

[@missl1775]

What was it like, working around TV cameras? How close did they get to the newborns? Did you have to change anything, use a bigger space, tell the cameras to back off at any point? Congrats on your work

[@Misskittytoes]

Omg how many people were in that delivery room 😮

[@tearainey1]

My great great grandma (this being around the late 1800's early 1900's) had a premie, one of my great uncles whose name I forget, and of course at that time NICU didn't really exist. So what they did is they had one of those antique stoves that had a warming compartment, they kept him in a shoe box when he was sleeping and would slide that into the heating compartment with the latch open to keep him warm. Miraculously he survived, though he was quite a bit shorter than his brothers, from the stories I heard he was a very friendly, silly, boisterous man who was always up for an adventure and would come at the first call for help. He lived into about the 1990's if I recall correctly, before I was born unfortunately. Many of my older (in their 80's and 90's) family talk about him fondly.

[@oliviahintermayer5838]

The Dionne quintuplets have quite an interesting story... they are monozygotic quintuplets that were born in the 1930's in Ontario Canada

[@Talkingdoughnut]

There’s another monozygotic set of quads, I can’t remember their parents names, but the girls are called Ellie, Georgie, Hollie and Jessica. They are soo adorable, I watched a documentary on them a couple of years back

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

Several years ago, People magazine covered another set of identical quads: four adorable little boys born to an African-American couple.

[@LifeOfNigh]

In may 1934 Canada, the Dionne quints were born. They made a movie about them years ago. Their story was crazy. 2 of them died young, at 20 & 35. One passed at 65, and according to Wikipedia, 2 are still alive, although I don't know if that's true.

[@lisamariec09]

There are two still alive! Their birthday just passed, and the town of North Bay had a big celebration in their honour.

[@marty0063]

Wow, this is really interesting. Thanks for sharing their stories. I’ve always been fascinated by their stories and had wanted twins up until I had one, and was then so thankful he was only one. He kept me on my toes just by himself. He always ran everywhere and wasn’t one for walking. He’s still very active to this day. I’ve also heard some stories of spontaneous quintuplets. The couple was on a talk show a while back, but I can’t remember their names. I think they had two older kids and were like we’ll try for one more and were shocked that that one more was 5 instead. I think it was one set of twins and one set of triplets.

[@GeoQuag]

The chance of 5 babies all being girls is actually only 1/32, so not as crazy of a feat as one might expect. The quintuplet part is definitely the more surprising part

[@emmafischell622]

And given that two of them were identical it goes up to 1/16

[@Eet0saurus]

Even more if you take in account genetics. If there are bad mutations on the x chromosomes, the boys will not survive. Since they have trouble conceiving, I assume they have more genetic mutations than average

[@CarriedAwayChannel]

5 babies being girls in the same belly at the same time AND having twins is definitely crazy.

[@acinonyxjubatus3334]

Isn’t it actually just 1/2 for every baby? because I didn’t think it was linked between separate babies like if you have a sister that wouldn’t make you chance of being a girl any less. I could just be being really dumb though lol

[@emmafischell622]

@@acinonyxjubatus3334 yes that's correct. When you have two events that are unrelated like that, the probability of them both happening is the probability of the first times the probability of the second. For one girl, the probability is 1/2, for 2 is 1/4, for 3 is 1/8, and so on

[@ramsassytrencher4lif374]

I have always been super fascinated by multiples. Especially high order multiples. I used to go through the wiki of multiples. Loved the idea and to find all the information about all the different stories.

[@kitreadsbooks7718]

Halima Cissé had nontuplets (9!) who all survived in 2021 and it was apparently a natural conception, which is wild to me.

[@MaLuDramatic]

Thank you was trying to remember her name

[@FairyKairiPlays]

As far as I have heard, fertility treatments were used, but nothing else.

[@beccalife275]

I’m glad to get this info in one place. I think someone told me that these scenarios were mostly IVFs where all of the eggs happened to attach

[@lisapetri3616]

On tlc there's a show called doubling down with the derricos. They have 2 singles, 1 set of twins, 1 set of quintuplets, 1 set of what they call triplins because it was originally triplets but 1 of the triplets died shortly after birth and 1 set of triplets. They were all conceived naturally without any fertility treatments

[@HosCreates]

Geeze. If I was the mom I'd get my tubes removed

[@SYH653]

Making their own chapter of The Quiverfull Movement.

[@charmedlife1990]

@@SYH653 yeah, I heard some interesting stuff about the father 😐

[@Nevertoleave]

@@HosCreates fuck it, just take the whole uterus!

[@MamaDoctorJones]

Wow that is an impressive birth history 😮

[@UnstapledLisa]

I thought this was a great video like all of yours, I've actually told my pcp also an ob/gyn about you and your videos so it could help her patients be educated on ob/gyn topics when patients are curious about topics that aren't related to their direct patient care, Dr Jones (should you see this, obviously I don't think you have the time comment on every one who responds to you) but you have responded on the past comments which was appreciated, of mine on here. I like others thought though was suprised about the nontuplets who survived who live in Mali ( I think they were born in Morroco and it made me think as while I've followed you for years, I know you made a comment about maternal mortality, though if you'd be interested in doing a video like that, I know it's a slippery slope given how many pregnant patients do watch your videos but it would be interesting from an educational point of view of what's being done to reduce that and why it's higher than it should be in this day and age especially in the U.S. Also while I'm not a clinically trained medical professional, I'm a medical, mh, violent crime prevention activist and non monetized blogger activist who also that in addition to violent crime prevention and suicide prevention in the general public I try to start a dialogue about also violent crime prevention and suicide prevention in physicians, other clinical professionals and first responders. While as it applies to safety risk when I tried to research but there's not a lot out there when it comes to risk of harm to ob/gyns, I did find that while getting stick by needles, caused harm, 25 percent of risk to an ob/gyn comes from patients and/or their families. I do think there is things that the general public isn't entitled to know such as protocols that hosptials that might have in place to keep all their physicians, as well as patients safe, but now with an uptick in physicians who are getting killed for pulling opiates which doesn't usually happen to ob/gyns as they are less likely to prescribe to pregnant patients except in rare circumstances it could be helpful for patients who don't realize that in addition to how devastating losing a mom or baby or both could be, their own personal safety is an ob/gyn has to worry about in cases of of maternal mortality, and fetal or babies who don't survive birth or late term fetal demise and and stillbirths. I'm sorry I'm not the most concise writer, if you should catch this and again, I wasn't trying to digress from topic which again I thought was really good content, I think the "elephant in the room" and it's hard for me to say as a non clinical or even for a clinical trained provider even with a psych specialty, but what was hard to see about Nadya Suleman's situation is how it was stimatized and monetized when I don't think she was in a good place mentally then and for people to monetize or enjoy it as a trainwreck should hae never happened, which she does seem to do well now and it seems like she's exerting more control over what get's talked about regarding her situation, which I didn't think she had the ability to do when the octopulets were young and having I think 5 or 6 other children, some of them with special needs and being too vulnerable and too exhausted to fight back of the exploitation of her mostly and her kids. I guess if this is a too long/couldn't read at the risk of being knocked in a coma, I think again from trying to educate or create further dialogue, about maternal mortality which does effect POC more including that ob/gyn who died. But if that's not appropriate maybe whether it's specific to ob/gyn or collab with other physicians, maybe for educational and creating dialogue purposes so patients are aware that our physicians need our support, it's never been sadly more dangerous to be a physician than it is now and in the case of ob/gyn where 2 patients who's lives could be at risk, even if you would be willing to give your opinion on what you think about that and what you think could help reduce the threat could help others again realize our physicians need support from public and patients and it can't come from just their peers or workplace initiatives. And again while it's topic I address, I purposely while putting out what I do in the internet help, keep my social medial presence small as I for my own mental health it's better for me to have my privacy and anonymity but i also don't have what it takes either to be an influencer in anyway like you do for greater good in hopes to help people but it's also wise for physicians (part of my physician support is on sites like Kevin M.D. where it is encouraged that physicians diversify their sources of income) so I'm not trying to make like I'm a better person for not wanting the attention, I manage to get a bunch of hate as it is in proportion to not well known I am for everything I do except bariatrics, especially when bariatrics go wrong but also educating what patients and it could be helpful for physicians to know when treating a patient who's had bariatric surgery who's pregnant. Yikes, now I've knocked everyone in a coma, so I'm shutting up, being concise clearly isn't something I excel in... I'll try to edit this soon, if I can't I'll delete the comment. This video though made me th

[@JennaGetsCreative]

I can't imagine having higher order multiples! My step sisters are identical triplets and I know their parents struggled. It was my step dad, his late wife, and their 14 year old daughter (hers from a prior relationship) and then suddenly they doubled the family size by natural, unassisted conception. Never had pets, had a weekly maid service, and the poor older sister was so terrified of going through it all again if she waited until her 30s to have kids that she had her two as soon as she met her college boyfriend 😅

[@k8tina]

I had triplets via IVF-ICSI in 2004. The reproductive endocrinologist transferred all 4 embryos because 1 was healthy 8-cells and the other three were poor quality with alot of fragmentation. I still have the picture of the 4 embryos pre-transfer. I did start off with 4 zygotes but miscarried/lost one at 5-5½ weeks (I had some bleeding and freaked out, but bc it was too early to do an ultrasound, I had blood work every other day to check hCG levels which kept doubling, so the doctor assumed I was still pregnant with a singleton). At 6-ish weeks, I had my first ultrasound and there were 3 sacs. My RE/fertility doctor started talking about selective reduction (because IVF triplets were bad for his reputation as it was not really acceptable in the medical field to transfer more than 2 embryos). I refused and had 3 healthy babies at exactly 35 weeks (w/3 weeks on hospital bedrest). When we lived in Phoenix AZ, I met sooo many other triplet moms who did IVF and got pregnant with triplets. These women all did IVF in the early 2000's like me, except I guess the fertility doctors in Phoenix didn't have a set limit of embryos transferred. It was wild!! As an aside, I don't see that many triplets being born (via IVF pregnancy) in the last decade. Maybe the Octomom scandal had an effect on the number of embryos transferred?? 🤔🤷🏼‍♀️

[@AuskaDezjArdamaath]

No mention of the Dionne sisters from Canada? They were a set of quints born in Canada in 1934 and were the first surviving set of quints on record. The story was rather tragic though as the doctor took them from the parents and turned them into an attraction for money.

[@RBTech2007]

I was a huge J&KP8 fan back in the day. Fun fact, there were originally 7 babies. But around Christmas Eve, Kate had some bleeding while she was pregnant and lost the seventh baby in utero. Kate also had PCOS, you’re right. So she did fertility treatments for both her sextuplets (born in May 2004) as well as her twins (born in October 2000).

[@rebeccakatus2986]

Could you do a video on the Dionne quintuplets from Canada? They were born in 1934. All 5 girls survived birth.

[@dezzisparkles]

I look forward to all of your videos! I can tell that you love what you do and are knowledgeable in what you bring to us during your videos so thank you for that.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤..

[@allisonwelton5926]

I’m currently on my second IUI cycle, weirdly hearing these stories has helped me stay hopeful I can get pregnant with PCOS.

[@EnbyGaemer2005]

May you be blessed with the babies you want to have and love!

[@toxicginger9936]

You can. You absolutely can. Sending you all the baby-dust, and well wishes.

[@teelakovacs208]

Stay hopeful, I'm sure you're doing everything right ❤ I finally conceived with PCOS and at 45 I'm Mama to the best eleven year old in the land. It can happen for you too

[@Sairs1902]

I have 3 children (separate pregnancies) through IUI while having PCOS. Fingers crossed this is your positive cycle!

[@sand_eater101]

You must stay strong, for your future kids! Hope all goes well❤️❤️

[@CaptPhiI]

Just here to say that I've never heard of Octomom, and was around at that time.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@dietotaku]

i was under the impression that with IVF, transferring several embryos at once was pretty standard because of the risk of embryos not implanting? especially since IVF cycles are so expensive to start with, i'd always heard the conventional wisdom was "chuck a bunch in there, see if any of them stick, and worst case scenario you can have a selective reduction later."

[@raphaelleguy-d.9024]

Here in Canada, they only implant one embryo at a time, except if you have a condition (like multiple failed transfer, 35 yo or older, etc.).

[@Misskittytoes]

That was standard practice when Ivf started, but the process is fine tuned generations since that 2 is usually the maximum they’d let you transfer.

[@Eet0saurus]

They will do more in one cycle. Just not at the same moment. So they transfer one or two. Wait a few weeks to see if they are implanted. If not they will transfer again one or two. It depends on how many good embryos there are. Some people don’t have four good embryos and then will have less chances.

[@catinabox3048]

Before they had the lab techniques to grow embryos to day 5/6 blastocysts, they would often transfer multiple day 3 embryos to account for the drop-off after day 3. Nowadays, if they can grow to blastocyst, they will grow them to blastocyst. Each blastocyst has about a 50-60% chance of success, and the benefits of transferring multiple embryos no longer outweigh the risks. Your increased chance of pregnancy goes up by maybe 10%, but your increased chance of multiples is doubled/tripled. It's not only the risk of a multiple pregnancy either. If for some reason there are undiagnosed immunological or uterine issues at stake that make pregnancy unlikely at this point, transferring one means losing only one embryo instead of two. Nowadays, most fertility clinics will not transfer more than one blastocyst at a time. If a patient has proven unable to make blastocysts under a lab setting, doctors will sometimes transfer multiple day 3's, hoping that the uterine environment will increase the chances of the embryo growing to blast. Basically, multiple embryo transfers only occur under circumstances that would lead doctors to believe that this particular couple is much less fertile than the typical infertility patient.

[@MamaDoctorJones]

Usually 1 or 2 max. The comments under this one are not quite accurate either. I need to do a full video on IVF!

[@ajwinberg]

My son has so many issues as it is, so I couldn't imagine having more of him, every. These people who have these multiple babies have to be out of thier minds.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@TheYasmineFlower]

It would be cool if you could do a video about identical multiples generally! There's a set of identical quadruplets in the UK who also had one placenta and sac! And the nonuplets from Mali that were born in Morocco and who recently celebrated their second birthday. I think it would be interesting if you could go over how much we know about identical multiples, the risks associated with them, and maybe challenge some myths around them. I imagine that video would do well too, humans get pretty weird around multiples. (I'm not excluding myself there, I find the subject fascinating) A video about egg and embryo donation could also be interesting, if you'd be up for it.

[@TheKrispyfort]

And the different legislation around the world that governs it

[@suchnothing]

This made me think of the woman who is thought to have had the most babies of any person. Here's the wikipedia excerpt: Valentina Vassilyeva and her husband Feodor Vassilyev are alleged to hold the record for the most children a couple has produced. She gave birth to a total of 69 children - sixteen pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets - between 1725 and 1765, a total of 27 births.

[@toxicginger9936]

The hardest part of that to believe is that she was actually fertile for 40 straight years.

[@mariealainawalukas3048]

You are so awesome! I love your videos and your no nonsense approach to debunking old wives tales, myths and just plain BS surrounding all things to do with “Lady Parts” and how they work. Thanks for sharing your experience with us and your….”delivery” of the material is just plain entertaining! Pun intended. ❤😊

[@kimw3284]

As someone going through IVF right now and having a better understanding of everything that happens in that process, the story of Octomom is 10x wilder to me now than it was when I first heard it.

[@HappeningsatLamgoFarms]

Don’t forget the Dilley Sextuplets in 1993. Perganol was the drug used in that case. The McCaughey septuplets in 1997. I just remember more about them because my infant son died close to it and then I went through secondary infertility (after initial infertility). They used Metrodin- which along with Perganol was the more common ovulation induction at that time when clomid didn’t work. I don’t believe they use that same protocol anymore. Although MDJ should know.

[@michellebloch8970]

Yay, someone else remembers the Dilley Six Pack! I was 10 when they were born and loved seeing the update specials every year 😄 OMG I just realized that they are 30 now! I feel so old 😭

[@MusikGirl23]

Yes! I read the book Seven from Heaven about the septuplets…It sounds kind of weird, but I’m glad we actually don’t know more about them from after that book and a few short interviews because it means they’re more likely to have normal lives. I believe they would be going on 26 now!

[@hopehefley]

I was so hoping you’d go over quints by surprise, they’re so stinking cute!!

[@AnimeLove03]

There is also a set of spontaneous monozygotic quadruplets that are all girls in the UK! The human body creates amazing science!!

[@LivvyAlexW]

Same here in northern Canada! They are 7/8 now. All girls. Identical. In rural Canada I also follow the Carles quads and they look just like their mum

[@lg3v845]

I think I remember seeing a segment about them on the TV show, Operation Ouch, quite interesting

[@cassmacdonald-perfectlyimp2486]

True story: someone I know had just come back to work after mat leave for her eldest kid and I joked a few months later that she looked like she was expecting again. She glared at me, but fessed up a few weeks later that she was expecting again. A few months on I suggested she get her USS early as she looked WAY too big for her gestation. Turns out she’d naturally conceived triplets and ended up with four kids under two.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤..

[@mollypalfery3557]

These moms are all absolutely AMAZING!!! There is no way I could ever do what they have done! Well done moms! 👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️

[@Dottie1975]

wow! that you for this video was very entertaining, now I'm all in for the comments oh my the stories you all are sharing, thank you so much for your stories, some really amazing stories much respect 💖

[@dancerb249]

In Canada, the Dionne quintuplets were quite famous. They were born in 1934. Unfortunately, they were treated a bit like a circus show and some sketchy things happened around the money being made. I read a novel base on them called Quintland. Very much enjoyed it

[@babylovetb]

Oh and the Dilley Sextuplets who were the first set of sextuplets in the U. S. to survive birth! She, too was expecting five but when they had delivered all five babies the Dr. went to deliver the placenta and found another baby!

[@lindean2013]

Twins run in my family on both sides-so I’ve always been fascinated in multiples. I was a teenager when Octomom hit the news and I followed that story like a new boy band 😂

[@poke-talia268]

As far as I know, it's only on my mom's side, but there's a family history of twins and polydactyly.

[@Kristinapedia]

My mother had identical twins at 38. She was going through peri menopause. So far as we knew there were no other twins anywhere.. Except when I started my genealogy journey, I found a set of identical twin 3rd cousins on my dad's side. So, they don't "run" in the family but there are at least 2 sets now!

[@catloverKD]

My mom has identical twin cousins, one of whom has identical twin sons. I also know of a case where they did fertility treatment and ended up with quadruplets that were 2 sets of identical twins, one boys and one girls. Here's something you can dive into, premature girls fair better than premature boys. They aren't sure why, but suspect it has something to do with the 2nd X chromosome. Also, I think most conjoined twins are also female.

[@mariegro09]

I was wondering if you would do a video about the different survival rates of male vs. female fetuses and if there is also a difference with the sperm at conception. I have been taught that female fetuses are more resiliant (and more will be born during a famine) but I would love to learn more.

[@myblogmyhealth]

The Dionne Quintuplets were identical girls all born in 1934 to French Canadians. They were taken away from their parents by the government and put on display in a small “hospital” taught English, not the French their family spoke and toured the world. They were used for advertising, and display. They were the first set of quintuplets to survive infancy in the entire world. The Ontario government even made a new law regarding their care. They won a court case against the Ontario government. They have publicly discouraged shows like outdautered because they they wonder if that display would be just as damaging as their own display. Children are not freak shows. If you want more information there have been books, movies and documentaries all about them. Many are available on KZbin.

[@bernie004]

I live in the town, in northern Ontario, that they were placed on display. A small museum still remains here that details their story. Such a sad story.

[@myblogmyhealth]

@@bernie004 it’s extremely sad and the reason I don’t watch reality shows with small children that don’t seem happy.

[@jenniferwintz2514]

I thought you might mention the nonuplets (parents from Mali) that recently turned 1. Thoroughly enjoyed the video, though.

[@kmeis1234]

You informing us that the John and kay plus 8 kids just turned 18 literally gave me goosebumps.

[@kadajsnightqueen]

I was actually thinking you were going to bring up the McCaughey septuplets in this video, too. Their story is pretty interesting in its own right, as the first surviving set of septs in history.

[@josephlauriezaepfel7924]

I too thought you would mention the septuplets. I took a special interest because they are about the age of my older kid

[@TinyLittleSilver]

I was also surprised that they were not mentioned!

[@karenstrong8887]

I was expecting twins in 1970 but I didn’t know there were 2 when I lost one at 12 weeks. I did a week later when I was still just as sick. My son was born 12 weeks early in Australia and there was nothing to help him but a humidity crib and a nurse to cuddle him a lot. I wasn’t allowed to touch him. Now he saves lives everyday. In 1972 I was expecting his brother even though I was told anymore would kill me. My Ob/Gyn thought she had 2 heartbeat’s so I was sent for an X-ray. There were no Ultrasounds then here. I remember her laughing at my X-rays and she told me I wasn’t having a baby, I was just having a foot because that was all that was below my ribs. She now understood why I could lay down to sleep and breathe at the same time and why my ribs were bruised on the outside. She didn’t understand how he had moved my Uterus that far up or where he was taking it, her words. The one I regret the most was no spinal block until 10 weeks after I had my last baby. I had really earned one by them. So Spinal blocks started here in May 1975. It was my last birth, it wasn’t my last child.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@FatimaLawal-mx5ij]

Thanks so much *MR OBALAR* on KZbin for curing me from Herpes, keep saving lives.❤.

[@WishGender]

My best friend recently dated a sextuplet. They were the first surviving sextuplets born in our state

[@amandahawkins87]

As soon as you said something about a high number of multiples from an IVF cycle I knew immediately you were talking about octomom because that was a huge thing in the news that the doctor would implant that many eggs and he ended up I think losing his license over it correct me if I'm wrong but there was a huge debacle over that whole thing which I totally understand because why would you as a doctor agree to implant so many eggs into a woman because if all of those eggs fertilize that's a really dangerous situation or it could be potentially so that one always really floored me. Thank you for making this video by the way this kind of stuff is always really interested me and I absolutely love you as a content creator I wish I lived closer to you because I would totally have you as my doctor! I think you're just an amazing person it seems like you are a really great amazing doctor and I love you making all these videos to try to help educate all of us so keep up the great work you're doing an amazing job! Much love from Alton Illinois 🥰🥰🥰

[@amandahawkins87]

8:45 okay so as I'm watching this video I see that I was correct the doctor did lose his license but I did want to say I totally think you should do a whole video on this and hopefully I'm not alone in thinking that because this is something I was actually pregnant with my daughter when this all was going on I was pregnant with my very first daughter I was 21 years old and I just remember being really shocked and when the whole scandal came out about the doctor and all of that became known to the public It made me physically sick like I had horrible morning sickness during my first pregnancy I had a lot of complications it was just a complete mess but I was on zofran and I was throwing up constantly I was just very very very sick and I remember anytime any articles would pop up about the doctor or anything came on the news I would get sick because it made me so mad that somebody would do that to somebody or would agree to even do that I don't remember if she asked for him to do that I don't think she did but I don't remember but it physically made me sick to the point where I was throwing up anytime I saw or heard anything about it lol But yes I agree you should do a whole video on this I would be watching it in a heartbeat!

[@annettest.germaine1719]

Have you heard of the Dionne quintuplets? They were born May 28th, 1934 in Canada and were identical.

[@PatriotHillFarmUSA]

Not to mention there was also a set of identical quadruplet girls born in Britain back in the mid 2000s

[@Nevertoleave]

DIONNE QUINTS! Oh my god! If you don’t know about them you should react to them! They were born in 34 in Ontario Canada. They all survived into adulthood. I think only one or two are alive now though. There’s a movie about them! How they were treated and everything was horrible though

[@MusikGirl23]

Yeah, 2 just had the 89th birthday recently.

[@Stardust_7273]

Another set of natural identical quadruplets, the only ones in England (at least at the time, idk if there have been any since) are the Carles quadruplets, Ellie, Georgina, Jessica, and Holly, born in 2006. I saw a documentary on them when they were five, and they were adorable.