Mana Management & Optimization Guide | WoW Classic

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Be sure to check out the written version of this guide on classicwow.live at: forum.classicwow.live/topic/1320/mana-management-optimization-guide Link to Google Slides: docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-XWC0o8ThFEP3JCo1fWKlWUbl3Mau3PVJyXZpD30gBg/edit?usp=sharing Timestamps: 00:10 - Introduction 00:40 - Guide Concepts & Goals 01:10 - Stats that Affect Mana 01:51 - Intellect 02:53 - Intellect as Front-Loaded Mana 03:21 - Critical Strike/Critical Heal 04:56 - Crits as Effective Mana 06:26 - Spirit 08:36 - Spirit-Based Bonuses from Talents and Gear 10:50 - Spirit as Back-Loaded Mana 11:40 - Mana per 5 seconds (Mp5) 13:26 - Mp5 Tier Set Bonuses 14:01 - Mp5 as Back-Loaded Mana 14:45 - Spell Power 16:09 - Spell Coefficients & Downranking 17:27 - The Relationship between Spell Rank & Spell Power 19:01 - Spell Power as Effective Mana 20:42 - Talents, Consumables, Buffs, & Enchants 21:48 - The Effect of Time on Stats 22:42 - Intellect vs. Mp5 23:36 - Intellect vs. Spirit 26:01 - Intellect vs. Crit 27:00 - Intellect vs. Spell Power 28:26 - Stat Budgeting Basics 29:32 - Stat Budgeting: Hunters 30:07 - Stat Budgeting: Warlocks 30:42 - Stat Budgeting: Mages 31:05 - Stat Budgeting: Druids 32:31 - Stat Budgeting: Priests 33:37 - Stat Budgeting: Shaman 36:28 - Stat Budgeting: Paladins 37:58 - Understanding it All 38:53 - Conclusions & Farewell

[@daboachl]

fyi Mp5 gives mana every 2 seconds since that is the time betweens ticks on the server. it is the same ticks that e.g. gives you mana will drinking or even the damage tick of the lava in MC. Those ticks can be seen using addons, e.g. a rogue's energy addon will work

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

@@daboachl ah that makes sense. I still wonder why they didn't call it Mp2. I am guessing because decimals would be not great to convey on tooltips. Thanks for that. Yeah that's how I noticed it - from my Mp5 addon

[@mc0wenM]

The first item in the instructions for using the tool says “Fill out your total amount of healing power as shown in the in-game character pane.” Unfortunately, there is no “healing power” stat in my in-game character pane. All I can see is my gear, resistances, basic stats, melee attack, and ranged attack. No healing power. Where do you find healing power?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

@@mc0wenM you need an add-on like extended character sheet or add it up from the gear tooltips

[@mc0wenM]

Defcamp & Melderon TV thank you so much. I was looking and looking and thinking I was incredibly dense (might still be true) and just not seeing the obvious. I’ll look for an add on that does that. To clarify adding it up manually, do you mean ONLY the plus healing on gear? And, please forgive my bad manners for failing to mention that I love yalls podcasts and videos.

[@DivineBanana]

I have yet to watch this video but thank you for all the effort you put into these videos. Nothing warms my heart then seeing a juicy 40 min WoW upload. No exaggeration, these slides and accompanying lecture are much higher quality and more thorough than my University professor's slides and lectures. Kudos friends!

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Wow. Thanks so much!

[@MarodaXD]

Thank you for making this. I am doing a deep dive into all things before establishing the loot council for my guild so this was tremendously helpful!

[@humanitiestheproblem]

Just to end up giving it to your inner circle, aka ingame besties lmao

[@marshallhill2283]

Thanks Melderon. Love your shaman videos, very well put together and informative. Cheers to all the Shamans out there.

[@D3Z3R7]

One fun challenge for me as a DS warlock has been deciding whether sacrificing the succubus or the felhunter will provide more overall damage in a fight. Demonic Sacrifice isn't just a "+15% damage" button. I really do invite warlocks to do the math to figure out when it's more optimal to go for that enormous mp5 boost (which scales with int endlessly) instead, even if it sounds dumb. A good example is fighting Ragnaros: he has a giant HP pool, you're not always safe to life tap, and nor are you regularly given opportunities to life tap anyway without missing out on shadowbolts. The slower your raid is, the higher you progressively climb on the meters.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Excellent points

[@sir_slimestone3797]

You forgot about Mana shield on mages, mana shield gives some resistance to magic and allows 30% mana regen while casting, Mages, ALWAYS have mana shield up during a raid

[@nostepsnek1776]

I called this guy defnerd in game, he waved back at me.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

lol I think you're referring to my brother

[@Jessterr2]

Mage also has Mage Armor Increases your resistance to all magic by 15 and allows 30% of your mana regeneration to continue while casting. With the talent Arcane Meditation they can regenerate 45% of mana while casting and this is without needing any 3 piece set bonus.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Yup! I go over it in the written version of the guide

[@DivineBanana]

MY MANA BE RUNNIN LOW!

[@Verto4321]

Me don't 'ave de mana

[@chillcraft5143]

You guys are the best! Bringing the IQ videos

[@yeost187]

Nice information as always. Future Video content? Go through all 'hidden' stats, that Classic doesn't display. Like what stat increases your 'Hit' chance and so on.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

You may want to check out my melee mechanics guide. For casters, I'm working on something

[@sugarspice7746]

Dropping Knowledge 👍

[@goliathgamingtv2411]

You can just tell me to shut up if I’m the only one that feels this way.. I love your videos, But some are just so long that I never have the right opportunity to watch them. Not sure if Im the only one that feels this way. Regardless, keep up the great work guys!

[@Prediculous]

Fantastic guide.

[@steffennielsen3304]

how the f** does this vid not have more views.. Thx so much for the insight!

[@ozgar9332]

Yet another great video! Keep up the good work :) Also nice to hear my own name in your vids! :D

[@davidmacaulay8517]

A note on the 5 second rule. If you start to cast but don't finish casting you still regenerate. You can also time your ticks to get your last tick while you are casting.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Correct I think I stated you have to finish a cast

[@davidmacaulay8517]

@@DefcampMelderonTV Sorry, I missed that part. Great Vid BTW

[@timsummers7526]

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[@TimTheeEnchanter]

Great video! As a person who's new to Classic Shammy (originally a human warrior), I was really struck by the mana limitations of the class, and this helped me with ideas on how to get around it. That being said, what do you think of items that provide mana restore utility that arent consumable? Theres Circle of Flame, a life tap-like use head piece, that could likely be used for burst healing/dps since its on a 5min timer. I know its a v rare drop from BRD but it gets glossed over despite the ability. Theres also the Green Dragonscale set, which if you equip the entirety of, gives you a Meditation effect as a shammy. Would it be worth it to wear those pieces above others for those mana fixing abilities? I feel like on the low end, when you first start out raiding the pieces could be extremely useful, but by the time phase 3 rolls around, the effects will be outshined, what do you think about it?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

You make some good points. I think it's worth experimenting!

[@MrX3rd]

Great video! I was wondering about another stat you didn't talk about considering dps/hps and EM: there are items with random enchants that give for ex. "+33 healing spells" or "+21 shadow spells". Do you know how these stats work exactly and how they compare to the conventional spell/healing power? Do they have coefficients too and how do they scale? Thanks for the thourough guide and visualization!

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Yup, I talked about them on the spell power slide. They only increase a specific school or healing

[@MrX3rd]

@@DefcampMelderonTV thx for the answer. I see the stat you're talking about however I mean yet another stat, at least it has a different infobox on items. They don't have the usual "Increases damage done by ... by up to ...", they only read "+ 55 healing spells", an example would be the engineering green lens of healing or frozen wrath. Most importantly, the "increases BY UP TO" part misses on these stats, which makes me think they might have different coefficients than the other ones you talked about. Do you have any information on that or do you think they work the same as the ones shown on your slides?

[@TheAkenarn]

AWESOME GUIDE. Is there any chance you can make an updated version for the changes to be used in TBC? Or can you point me to somewhere i can find similar guide for TBC?

[@mojoturner5292]

What is the coefficient for INT to +Healing for Holy paladins?

[@mojoturner5292]

@O K I was asking the balance between int stacking and + healing.

[@DrTempesta]

Melderon is becoming my favorite wow player.

[@RookRiddle]

So I'm figuring out the coefficient of spell power for some of my spells and noticed my talents influence the cast time. So in example my Lightning Bolt cast duration is 2 seconds. Does the coefficient change to 0.57 or is it still the initial 0.86?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Talents that reduce cast time do not affect the coefficients. So it remains 0.857

[@FFgamesftw]

I have a question for priests and spell co-efficient. If you get the 5/5 talent for divine fury which reduces the cast time of our heal & greater heal by 0.5sec. Do we calculate the spell coefficient based on the original 3 sec cast or the talented 2.5 sec cast?

[@FFgamesftw]

Also as an additional follow up question. Set bonuses that change cast time like the priest T1 which reduces flash heal cast by 0.1sec. Would these change co-efficients?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Any bonuses or talents that reduce cast time do not change the coefficients. Therefore, the benefits of these effects are HUGE :)

[@FFgamesftw]

@@DefcampMelderonTV cool thanks a bunch!

[@phatboi716]

Do you think flasking on healers is worth spending the money? Im a shaman healer, and I rarely run oom on a fight when rotating Major Mana Pots and Demonic Runes efficiently. My guild is requiring everyone flask for BWL progression, but I feel like its not entirely necessary

[@bratteb]

The math behind Reflection and Meditation talents seems a bit off. You say ~2 mana pr tick for each point of spirit. Well, buffed I have 300 spirit, but I'm not getting 600 mana pr tick back... :') wish I did though. For druids, your math appears to be (15+(1/5) )*0,15 = 2,28. However the reason that number is so high and misleading is because of the static 15 regardless of how much spirit one has. The correct answer could then be: (1/5)*0,15 = 0,03 mana each 2 seconds for each point of spirit. Another way to look at it is a lvl 60 druid has ~111 spirit (110 NE, 112 Tauren). So the base regen from Reflection is: (15+(111/5))*0,15 = 5,58 or *2,5 = ~14mp5, which is awesome! "Then" each point of spirit would increase each tick by 0,03 mana. Great guide and all, just wanted to point out this "misleading" detail.

[@ElfosDeMordor]

This is not misleading, this is just plain wrong. The math is so off, that it is actually insane. At 25:45 he says that 1 point of spirit would yield 15 mana every 7 seconds (for a priest) after being 5 seconds without casting any spell, while the correct answer would be that 1 point of spirit would yield 15 mana after 120 seconds instead of 7. That's a difference of 1614%.

[@ElfosDeMordor]

@gardakan936 15 + (spirit/5) means 5 points of spirit would equal 1 point of mana every 2 seconds, so every point of spirit is worth 0.2 mana every 2 seconds or 6 mana every minute. The mistake they did in this video was multiplying by 5 instead of dividing by 5

[@ElfosDeMordor]

In the case of priest, multiplying by 4 instead of dividing by 4, arriving at a 1500% difference

[@Kittensinabox]

@@ElfosDeMordor I noticed this too. Spent about 30 minutes slamming my head on my desk trying to contort basic algebra to fit whatever fantasy math world Melderon lives in. Came to the conclusion that he's another mathelly disabled wownerd and I'll have to double check everything he says from now on.

[@ElfosDeMordor]

@@Kittensinabox lol

[@jessersrmendez2695]

Do you think the green dragon scale mail is more worthwhile since it offers the 15% spirit regen as a set bonus? (For shaman and i guess pally)

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Not really. The tier sets are much better. For dungeons, you can drink so frequently, it's a non issue and MC fights are so quick, Spirit is not great for these classes

[@trollzynisaacjohan1793]

Drinks cost lots of money. Undead warlock has cannibalise and life tap. Priests can use low rank heals to manage mana better. Only really shadow priests (which sucked in pve before wrath anyway with no AOE until then), boomkin and ele shamans have really bad mana problems. But I refuse to buy drinks as a caster because it's just too expensive.

[@dopaminedidthat8477]

Spirit would also help Mage Armor, correct?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Yes, it absolutely would. That's waaaay better than priests and druids

[@smittyo0]

Awesome data.

[@karelsukup2824]

Nice

[@kelpie1533]

I read somewhere that mana regen from spirit is contingent on the ratio between intellect:spirit. That stacking spirit gives diminishing returns if you don't also add intellect. Not a big deal at end game given BiS itemisation but when leveling a priest I've always stacked huge amounts of spirit and it might not have been a good idea. Is this true?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

This is the first I've heard of this. As far as all the theory I know. Spirit follows the formulae

[@muffywuffy]

I think this is true for 2.0/tbc patch. Not in classic/vanilla.

[@TheBouregard]

Paladins do NOT gain 1% crit for 29,5 int. Its ~50+ int like most caster classes. It's something private servers have gotten wrong a loong time now. Generally speaking illumination is awesome but before AQ it's not worth gearing towards it. Before AQ +Heal > all as downranking is more helpful then any other stat in comparable attainable numbers and not downranking. Something nice to note, Paladins Illumination returns the base mana value, there are a few trinkets that lower the mana cost of spells resulting in even better mana gains as you get more mana back from a crit then you actually spend.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Can you provide a link to this information. This data I am presenting was compiled in vanilla

[@TheBouregard]

I have a 60 paladin and I can read out CritChance via script commands. It's the same as mages. So 59,5 int per 1% crit. But if you want Tserics blue post about it: blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-mage/559324.htm (please note the edit)

[@mojoturner5292]

Which trinkets? please list them.

[@TheBouregard]

Burst of Knowledge is the one i currently use. I was fairly sure that there was another one but I couldn't find one until TBC. I first noticed that in the early patches of TBC and used Burst of Knowledge quite extensively. Now its fairly helpful especially during trash or MC speedclearing as you can rotate it with other on use effects making the 15min cooldown irrelevant.

[@anihroxxor]

nothing about feral dps druid?

[@Ravinelck]

Wish that there was a TBC update

[@computerz009]

so wait wait wait pally gets 1% crit for every 30 intellect?? not every 54 intellect?

[@acrophis]

Does anyone have a link to that potion drawing in the thumbnail?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

I think I just googled "world of Warcraft Mana"

[@acrophis]

@@DefcampMelderonTV It actually was that simple. Thanks.

[@101wutproductions]

It's easy to manage your mana when you get every innervate huh Melderon.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Lol, Defcamp takes all my innervates

[@usafwesmurray]

Yea imma stick with retail. It is painful to cast like 4 spells kill one thing leveling and have to take 30s-1m to be 100% again. F no….

[@tinafisher]

shadow priest same as healer priest?

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

Hi Tina. I go over shadow on the priest slide

[@kus88]

I love you

[@150zero150]

17:05 You say lightning bolt has a 3 second cast time... I think you mean their heal.

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

LB and HW both have 3 sec cast times (untalented)

[@mujje]

Can we get a status on faction transfer? since everything you are doing is as horde witch is easy mode

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

I'm sorry?

[@humanitiestheproblem]

Biased much lmao

[@midqualitygaming3498]

okay so... get another mindtap talisman for my shaman i guess....

[@DefcampMelderonTV]

for longer fights yeah but I would have royal seal and second wind for a shorter fight

[@tylerm6080]

Brings up totem twisting, laughs in legendary parses. Fuck twisting. And fuck nightfall get a hunter or warrior to do that if you genuinely care about "upkeep"

[@tylerm6080]

Still like your videos just you can definitely hold your own as enhance in raid specially if you go above and beyond the other raiders in terms of consumes

[@playerlixowow7809]

bro 40 minutes