Crystal Palace sack Vieira, Champions League last 8, Barca dominate La Liga | Tifo Football Podcast

[@Youtherwillis]

When you see in the chapters "have you been to Horton heath" and "what is a heath?" with "Contes post match interview" sandwiched in between you know it's gonna be a wild show

[@hanspillow278]

When you know Joe's back

[@ruairiobrolchain7986]

“I don’t condone violence, but I do enjoy watching it” - Joe Devine with my new favourite Tifo podcast quote

[@kasra_mlg]

Oh I would kill for a Tifo episode while playing rocket league 😂

[@chillcatdad7851]

I'd love to see a Tifo video breaking down the similarities between RL and Soccer tactics

[@willsaenz6320]

And have it set up like Mystery Science Theatre where you see their silhouettes in the foreground while they play it on the big screen.

[@jasonyoung2160]

JJ saying Kiwi fruits deserve better marketing was the most profound thing I’ve heard all month

[@ILikedGooglePlus]

I'd never thought about it, but he's spot on

[@dertyp6767]

it's absolutely true. and someone has to come up with an easy way of eating them. they are delicious!!

[@SideChannelSockMan]

I always knew they were delicious but I hadn't ever actually bought them until they were on special the other day so I've been having the exact same thought recently.

[@AholeAtheist]

If that's the most profound thing you've heard all month.. Jesus Christ.. "Kiwifruit" IS the better marketing. Or would you rather eat Chinese Gooseberries?

[@jasonyoung2160]

@@AholeAtheist Chinese Gooseberries sounds pretty cool honestly. If you think Kiwis have been pushed like an Orange in terms of marketing, you’ll be mistaken!

[@ardentspy]

i love michael bailey but when joe devine is sailing the ship, its course is true and you get a great episode.

[@domhuckle]

I don't need to know that Joe's not gonna be there next week - I like my disappointment deferred

[@tomlees4380]

Thought Reuben was a great addition to this, really well articulated points 👍

[@highnoon7097]

I love how Stewart Lee turned down Joe's offer of a drink with a simple "no". He was giving it to him straight. Like a pear cider made from a hundred percent pear.

[@akashgooner4892]

One of the most exciting podcasts in a long time…loved the contrasting personalities and how they each countered and supported each other..j j bull is my favourite though followed by joe..to be honest I loved them all😅

[@safebans1369]

You dare question the Goblin King?!

[@jorgeandrade783]

Great video and analysis! Only thing I’d say is Florentino is not Brazilian. He’s Portuguese! He came through the Benfica academy and is from Lisbon. He should be picked for the Portugal national team but was left out unfortunately. Neves and Matheus Nunes were picked over him when hes in better form imo

[@SkullSnax]

We need a shorthand term for when a club sacks a manager and hires someone with not just a different tactical approach, but massively conflicting with what the previous manager had done and what the club had recruited for. Several of those mentioned in this video. Palace, swap Vieira for Hodgson. Spurs, swap Poch for Jose, and looking to swap Conte for Poch. Everton and Man United have been doing it for a decade. Needs a shorthand term.

[@LamontGranquist]

Something like Galacticos but not. Referencing MBA-driven signing of players and mangers, with no actual idea of how they'll fit into any tactical system or culture, but will generate headlines from the prestige of the name of signing alone.

[@jamesduffy7549]

U-Turn

[@gimmibox]

I've never seen Michael Bailey and Joe Devine in the same room. Interesting

[@WANDILETUMELO]

They might be the same person 😮

[@ardentspy]

Joe keeps him in a dungeon and only lets him out when he wants a holiday.

[@sciencecharity]

Michael Bailey is simply still on his comedown from last week

[@Yo-gp1lq]

Still Waiting for an episode when Villa's incredible turn around under emery is discussed 😢 the fact villas gone from 17th to 11 points clear of 12th, thus out the relegation battle and are third in the form table since unai Emery's arrival is surely worth a discussion

[@MRCL-190]

Just don’t see how it is an incredible turn. He’s just got them to where they should be. They were vastly underperforming. It’s not some kind of footballing miracle

[@rahulk8322]

Man City and Bayern should just relinquish the 2nd leg if the 1st is a draw. And like you said - Pep and Nagelsmann should sit in the middle of the pitch and watch a simulation of the 2nd leg play through on FM! 😂

[@MrYamazaky]

43:00 Florentino Luís is not Brazilian.. Benfica doesn't even have a Brazilian midfielder this season. But, he was expected to be picked for the Portugal national team but was left out unfortunately.

[@macauleycoote2240]

This is comfortably my favourite podcast. Thanks guys keep up the great work

[@mundea]

pontificating, there's a new word to add to my vocab. Cheers Joe🤝

[@augustkuuskvere79]

42:08 “it’s a Diamond Shape isn’t it?” Amazing specific call back

[@otto_jk]

What was the reference there

[@augustkuuskvere79]

He talks about diamond formations somewhat frequently. Specifically in their walking football video.

[@costakapoor7528]

Amazing they called out the slight awkward nature of calling JJ ‘the Bullard,’ then Joe went on holiday for a few weeks, and it’s Bullard time again

[@mikegreen3485]

What happened to "the Mallard"?

[@Ed-hq1ze]

The fulham reds kinda saved us. Dont know how it would have been if we got the goal instead. Or mitro did not loose his head. We where poor before that. They where the better team before that situation. Sancho picked the best timeline

[@epicmarschmallow5049]

It was one of the worst implosions I've ever seen. To go from 1-0 up with pretty strong control of the game to 2-1 down with 9 men in what, 2 minutes of playtime? Absolutely insane

[@huanglee7931]

As a Tottenham fan I'm conditioned to feel bad after every season. It's not a new thing. However Poch did something very special, he made us hopeful and Daniel Levy ruined that. There was also a sense that Poch felt he could do better than Spurs at that time. After all these time right now Daniel levy should understand what he had in Poch and Poch should understand team like Tottenham is the place where his philosophy can translate. Bring back Poch, stars have aligned.

[@yungdkay1008]

Conte have been great honestly He finished 4th last season and currently he's 4th you need better players to compete for trophies Parting with Conte will take Tottenham backwards for a while

[@Ranamon9132]

@@yungdkay1008 tbf he was given the funds to buy players. And he did. Players he wanted. Most if not all were not incorporated into his team. Sure there’s crap happening behind the scenes as always with Tottenham but still. He has to take a huge amount of blame too. Constantly being a negative manager both in style of play and the way he is as a person does rub off of your players. Going fully defensive when leading against teams they should be blowing past by doesn’t seem very smart. To me at least

[@dansanchez7129]

Conte achieving 4th last season and doing it again last season is not a feat. Our players are good enough to compete for 4th. So we are only fulfilling our expected trajectory.

[@yungdkay1008]

@@dansanchez7129 remove harry kane and your team will be in the relegation fight Remove kane and You don't have a better team than west ham Be humble and respect Conte Pochetino won't do any better and you know it

[@azmilog]

i do want poch to come back but his sacking felt justified at the time. the manager we truly failed was mourinho.

[@tianruixiao9239]

Man I was waiting for JJ's ROOOONEY when reacting to Joe reading out the UCL draw

[@CharlesOffdensen]

Tottenham were more than a mid-table team with Martin Jol. Remember Mido? What a player. Berbatov, too.

[@ad_hal1687]

Just to say, I would 100% watch Joe and Jon playing Rocket League if they livestreamed it

[@__dane__]

I was worried a guest meant JJ wouldn’t be here. Happy surprise to have 4 people on the pod

[@Omar_Little]

i was so sure when JJ was asked to react to Milan v Napoli as a game he was just gonna go "ROOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYY"

[@rushnafwadud]

“Sp*rsy” isn’t a “curse”. It’s not bad vibes or juju. It’s the same phenomenon that everyone likes to talk about since Arteta’s Arsenal project: “culture”. And you have two managers who are specialists at building a winning team quickly speaking out against the very same culture of the side. It really does speak volumes.

[@rushnafwadud]

@@Antonio-hb8rd Yeah. And on the other hand, the only thing they've kinda actually achieved is a CL final. And it might be an overachievement of sorts, going by the numbers, but they're not entirely unfashionable either. Go figure.

[@domhuckle]

Interesting hearing talk about Palace when you could easily put Utd in there with Casemiro, Martinez changing how you can play

[@kukatahansa]

Great guest! Soft spoken, nice to listen and he knew what his subject.

[@shain46]

This podcast and community are gold.

[@jules_laurent]

JJ you broke my heart saying Florentino is Brazilian. He's Portuguese. He massively helped us win the U17 Euro in 2016 and the U19 Euro in 2018. I'm upset that Roberto Martinez didn't call him up for the Euro qualifiers... Why on God's green Earth do we need 10 (TEN!!!) defenders? Also, my family is in the kiwi production business. Much like Florentino, they're brown on the outside and 100% made in Portugal. Hit me up and I'll send you a box lol

[@inlizwetrusst7904]

That’s racist

[@mrtimharrington]

Feels like a lot of the players that were listed as 'poor back-up options' were exactly the sort of players that played regularly under Hodgson, when he finished with only 4 fewer points in his final season than Vieira did last season, in that 'amazing' season Palace had under him. 1 win in 16, 3 games in a row without a shot on target... You can certainly see why they thought it was time to move on from the 'Premier League Legend as a manager' experiment, I think the reaction would be quite different if it were Lampard or Gerrard that was sacked, but in reality it is the same profile of manager who got the job due to his standing as a player and it has not worked.

[@ardentspy]

I think there's a real feeling that they've played well without joy but really, playing well has to include creating goals not just being pretty to watch.

[@areebsiddiqui758]

Exactly, Viera gets a pass for the same things Lampard and Gerrard are lambasted for. Roy did a great job on a shoestring budget stabilising Palace as a Premier League club.

[@celtic69]

This podcast is next to impossible to listen to in the gym, every time Joe does his confused Skeletor “huhhh” he breaks me.

[@pikztheg1643]

Guys What's the difference between a "league team" & a "cup team"? People often say that Pep Guardiola is a league manager & Mourinho is a cup manager. I'm guessing this is because its primarily where their success lies with their teams over an extended period of time even though they can win both.🤔

[@2639theboss]

Mourinho appears adept at building one-off game plans which takes full advantage of his opponents weaknesses and his teams strengths. To a degree rarely if ever seen. Pep appears to be extremely skilled at establishing and implementing a play style for a team that maximizes their points in the long-run, but doesnt always give his team the best chance in single games against top teams. His style is probably just not very adaptable.

[@pikztheg1643]

@@2639theboss Ah okay. That makes sense. Thanks bud!👍

[@Pebble_Collector]

Pep is GTO (game theory optimal) whereas Jose is exploitative.

[@memofromessex]

Thornton Heath is horrible. After a f**king long cycle through the North Downs, I'm knackered but when I go through Thornton Heath the threat level goes us and try to speed all the way to Crystal Palace, even up those hills to get far far away.

[@JerryGreenhouse]

For the audio engineer: there is a resonant frequency that's very annoying that show's up when the guy in the grey hoodie speaks.

[@domhuckle]

"the steering wheel for the pretend car" 2 weeks without Joe 😢

[@shubhamsinghstar123]

Bring seb back more regularly please. He’s like the soul of the podcast. Aside from joe of course, but Joe doesn’t give any football insights 😅

[@patrickmccormack3209]

John does a very good job there as well, but admittedly the departure of Alex and the lessened appearances of Seb has brought the podcast in a very different direction. I'm not saying it's bad (far from that, in fact) but originally Joe's wackiness was balanced by Alex/Seb. Now you have Joe and JJ and John who all like to be goofy and go off track to varying degrees. Comedy is best when you have a "straight man" to play off of.

[@OkieDoke-mo1co]

Seb the soul of the podcast? What? He's alright, but c'mon...

[@oibara2]

@@OkieDoke-mo1co 'Shub' is a thinly disguised 'Seb'

[@EuroExpert_]

Big up Reuben!

[@pozsoz]

Paint the studio Yellow for the classic Tifo vibes

[@djorgen]

Cool that you got Lucas Leiva in the podcast!

[@kasra_mlg]

Tifo: two guys arguing about futility of life and another guy just ranting about football tactics 🤣🤣🤣 never change 😂❤

[@hamidrezapirkalkhoran357]

for one second I thought JJ is not in this episode, and I was like no way I would listen to this

[@chiefnkosi7705]

JJ Bull had the most sensible points and balanced analysis about Crystal Palace.

[@blkbamboo1]

I said hi to JJ in Soho and he was really nice. Asked him if RDZ would do well at Brighton and he said they might struggle a bit under him. Should've asked for a picture!

[@clazydude]

I wish they livestreamed these like during the WC. Let the people see the outtakes!!

[@AndyMcGregor-tz1fz]

"There was a Pope called Urban... there's a few Popes called Urban" completely ghosted by everyone

[@Mr.k3n]

We need Bailey and Joe to Co-host

[@isaaclodziak-green6326]

If Benfica get past Inter, that semi is going to be very hard

[@jahmulugu4425]

I can say, one thing The Athletic totally nailed is the podcast. 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@AdamFergusonNZL]

Joe Devine possesses a double black belt in Segue. 🙏Hi-ya!

[@michaelcash1675]

'Compulsive viewing' is the term that comes to mind withTifo. I think it's the combination of fun and depth of knowledge. Always a pleasure.

[@Omar_Little]

reuben was a good guest!

[@PinakKashyap42]

JJ's vehement pointless defense of Conte is beautifully chaotic.

[@dgh6g33gf]

Its the history of the Tifo

[@SiddharthJaggavarapu]

And his disdain for what Pochettino achieved with very limited resources is equally chaotic.

[@andyjohnson9540]

As a man United fan I find the whole spurs/Conte thing hilarious as loads of people were crying that we didn’t appoint him after Solskjaer! Who’d have thought it would have gone so terribly for him apart from all his previous clubs!

[@arkadye]

Near the start they mention that they did something that can't go into the podcast. But they kept the bit where they read the definition of "Heath" from Urban Dictionary. I have to wonder what happened that was so off-topic it got cut.

[@Juiced_Lemons]

I think with real they needed changes. Within this summer/transfer window a revamp with the whole right side. I new RB/RW. Kroos and the older placements need some soon kroos wasn’t effective in slightest benzy look old and was doing much either

[@raghuramas6804]

Joe devine is clearly the van dijk of this podcast team

[@TheMeeesterT]

49:51 Jon Mckenzie doing a Joachim Lowe thinking he's off camera.

[@samuel_man]

Dammit, I jumped over to KZbin to see if that early cut content was here instead of Spotify 🤣

[@Sam-cd9jz]

JJ predicting the Return of Roy hurts

[@killakrybaby]

I've listened to that sound at 35:08 a bunch of times now and it just makes me laugh harder each time... What the heck is that sound!

[@kicka11]

Message to Tifo - teams exist outside London. Quite a few in fact.

[@ifinnem]

Spurs came 3rd in a two horse race, that is not something to give Poch credit for 😂

[@owenmorris1177]

A Stewart Lee mention on Tifo, life is now complete

[@Glantiwehene]

joe's back

[@GarconBlanc]

As someone who once bumped into JJ Bull and said hi, I can report that he seemed a little uncomfortable with it at the time, but I can imagine he felt alright about it afterwards.

[@bryanjames5840]

1:03:55 - this was absolutely hilarious.

[@sundersquare]

Also as an Irishman, its hard to to wince everytime I hear GALLAGER (instead of correct pronunciation - "Gallaher") :D But good points all the same :D

[@davidlean1060]

He is a British born lad mind you. Like the famous Manchester brothers, I imagine Conor even pronounces his name incorrectly! lol

[@Rezmund]

56:09 Joe's sympathetic sigh 😂😂

[@olivergoulstone1056]

It just gets better and better and better! Great work as ever 🎉❤

[@yi937]

They do need a la liga delegate

[@danieln3999]

Regarding kiwis, perhaps they would be better received if there weren't a need to shave them prior to eating and if, once they were cut, were not so slimy and slick as to resemble mucous.

[@joostverra9130]

What's up with the audio this week? It's usually superb

[@EnglebertFlumperjack]

JOE'S BACK

[@FeloniousFunk]

Get Reuben that steering wheel for the pretend car!

[@aakarmamtora3470]

If bruno should have been sent off and you're concerned about the inconsistencies then that's fine. As long as you also agree that casemiro shouldn't have been sent off vs southampton because similar and harsher challenges have gone unpunished before or at most given a yellow instead of a red. It works both ways. And bruno wasn't the same situation as mitrovic since bruno shoved the referee as he was in the way (it was wrong of bruno to do it) while mitrovic literally pulls him back a bit to stop the referee to face him. But still if you think bruno deserves a red fine, you should apply the same to the casemiro situation.

[@Never_Wr0ng]

If you're gonna go down that road mate, you'll find that Utd have received more gifts from referees than they've been penalized. Fulham should have had a penalty in this match itself.

[@Never_Wr0ng]

For every red card Casemiro shouldn't have received, Mctominay has gotten away with a wrestling move on opponents with just a caution. or Bruno coming in late & with no intention to play the ball. Didn't he win a penalty for stamping someone's foot last season? You won the game, just get on with it. Don't try to take the moral high ground in the refereeing debate. There's no version of it where Utd come out on top.

[@aakarmamtora3470]

​@@Never_Wr0ng If we go down your route then you can also make an argument that united have been on the wrong side of the decisions more than the "gifts" you mention. It just depends on your agenda. At least I try to remove my bias and I'm not suggesting united are the only victims every team is.

[@Never_Wr0ng]

@@aakarmamtora3470 agenda? Shaw shoving Mitrovic in the back isn't agenda mate, it's a fact. PGMOL admitting Arsenal's goal shouldn't have been disallowed isn't 'agenda', it's a fact. Rashford running with the ball against City is offside anywhere else in the world. It's a fact. Like I said, take the W and move on. A United fan explaining refereeing decisions is as embarrassing as a City fan explaining their revenue.

[@TheFallorn]

The best example of amateurs imitating pros, for my money, is high school baseball players covering their mouths during a mound visit. There are no lip readers sitting in the dugout to give away their game plans, it’s just imitation (and that’s fine)

[@OzyMandias13]

I have never been to Thornton Heath, but I have seen Reverend Horton Heat

[@satriaeerlangga]

they always forget poor old nuno

[@amirahmadazhieh2510]

Quick hypothetical question: How would Conte coach a teal like Arsenal and would they have been even more successful if led by him?

[@Account.for.Comment]

No, Conte is a checkbook, defensive manager. Arsenal like Spurs, can only afford unproven young talents or Man City castaways that want to play under Arteta.

[@archiebiltcliffe]

You've not posted this in the athletic app

[@achilles3140]

Joe Devine is under pressure to perform after injury XD

[@Rfilipe123]

Florention Luis is Portuguese

[@devangg]

JJ is spot on about kiwi fruit marketing

[@AholeAtheist]

Nope. "Kiwifruit" IS the better marketing. No one is buying Chinese Gooseberries in 2023.

[@Pebble_Collector]

I don't think they're all that great but what I will say is kiwi fruit skin has had really bad marketing. That's the best part of the fruit for me. All that fuzzy goodness is packed with vitamins too.

[@sundersquare]

Shlupp always seems decent anytime I've seen him but it's always going forward so maybe defensively weak

[@tickinbomb]

Just to counter the point around 31:35 on Tottenham's 'weak' mentality, it certainly can be a mentality issue even if the team largely changes. As a Chelsea fan I can empathise as we have the same issue. I'm no psychological expert, but it seems natural that human psychology means that the club atmosphere and culture is pervasive and contagious. Even with many changes, so long as influential members of the dressing room existed in a previous era of 'weak' mentality, it naturally carries over into the next era so long as these members exert their influence. It really takes a large transformation of key influential characters to completely change the club culture and that comes from top-down and bottom-up in the club hierarchy.

[@TomSaysStuff]

I would watch the heck out of you all playing any video games, rocket league would be fun.

[@dairefinnie9863]

Is there any long athletic podcasts that don't have joe divine as host? Really can't listen to that guy but the rest are gold

[@decbo4347]

I have never heard people eulogising Thornton Heath ffs. About the most TIFO football podcast thing you can imagine 😂

[@00dude3]

People defending Vieira way too much. Their tough run of games included half the league, if you can't get a win v half the PL teams then you are going down

[@phnompenhandy]

Spurs missed out on Hodgson - so unlucky ;-)

[@chiefnkosi7705]

😂

[@theradioattheendoftheworld4251]

This years relegation battle is great fun. More confirmation that leagues without promotion/relegation are boring and full of games that are meaningless. I'm looking at you "super" league

[@stephenspiller-po3so]

Great pod, looking forward to the potential new signing👀

[@nellypringle2875]

“Heathcliff, Heathcliff, no-one should Terrorise the neighbourhood.”

[@fttw4401]

When was the last time you featured a Newcastle match? Feels like it was months ago

[@Flash4ML]

Bc most of the time they're boring as hell

[@stevenilic260]

JJ is correct, kiwi fruits are amazing, as an Aussie is is sacrilegious to call them anything other than amazing!!! 😅

[@wmyates17]

This podcast is educational but I learn more about etymology than I do football

[@philipraad7291]

I firmly agree on the kiwi point

[@DanielS10291]

Joe is back!! 🎉 (again)

[@kurtcarlson2010]

Why’s Birmingham the second city? It’s got a small heath.