To address Mantis kissing the other Avengers not being the first interracial kiss, I was referring to on the lips. Pecks and cheek kisses are considered affectionate as opposed to sexual, but even then, it's clear T'Challa was ignored, likely because Black folks dealt with a more racism in the comics around that time than Asians.
@Robin_Is Жыл бұрын
Ok.
@SirDankleberry Жыл бұрын
But it's an Asian chick kissing white dudes. That's still interracial.
@DmDaPDm Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you don't skip over things like this. Some people want to ignore it and pretend it didn't happen, but its good to remember where we've come from so we can continue to learn to do better.
@hydrolito Жыл бұрын
Lothar a prince of 7 African Tribes appeared in Mandrake the magician starting in 1934, he had powers of strength, speed and invulnerable to fire, lightning bolts, magic bolts and the weapons of man. Black Panther appeared in 1966. Nate King Cole became popular in the 1940 there was radio program King Cole Trio, He had his own TV show in the 1950's, Bill Cosby appeared on I spy and the Cosby Show in the 1960's. Soul Train started in 1966. Supremes were most popular singing trio in 1965. Star Trek, Mission Impossible and Hogans Heroes all had African American character. Julia was African American Nurse on a show with a son. In 1960's.
@hydrolito Жыл бұрын
They also Turned Mandarin green in some stories is he supposed to be related to Mantis and Willow?
@Parmesan_Seeker Жыл бұрын
MCU Mantis is basically a totally different character than in the comics, which is... entirely for the best.
@moisesinfantes2797 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, honestly the entire guardians of the galaxy from the MCU are better than the comics. I like how the comics changed them to be more like the movies.
@creed8712 Жыл бұрын
@@moisesinfantes2797personally I like Master Chief star lord and wouldn’t mind seeing a return to that
@Parmesan_Seeker Жыл бұрын
@@moisesinfantes2797 oh yeah totally the only one I'd really change is Star Lord, because he can get a bit annoying at times, although I loved the Ego thing. Glad they didn't stick with the whole Spartax plot.
@mosesborras3221 Жыл бұрын
@@creed8712 isn’t master chief from halo
@mumbo_fuze2484 Жыл бұрын
@@mosesborras3221 he was voiced by Master Chiefs VA in Avengers EMH
@stevencooper564 Жыл бұрын
She's got the best "precocious little sister vibe" in the MCU and it's the best fit for her, honestly.
@johans3164 Жыл бұрын
I mean she is Peter Quill actual sister. Half sister but yeah, she is best little sister
@jesusalejandrotorresserran3446 Жыл бұрын
😊
@tico5058 Жыл бұрын
Precocious in what?
@bellalalala3327 Жыл бұрын
@@tico5058 usually, when the term "precocious little sister" or something like that is used, it's referring to her body
@mr.nonamefalloffchair6443 Жыл бұрын
@@bellalalala3327I’m pretty sure precocious almost always refers to being a gifted child as in really intelligent like young Sheldon
@regularshowman320810 ай бұрын
I wanna say that comic Mantis seems like one of the few times you can definitively call a character a Mary Sue. She's super powerful and smart and strong and she's the most important person in the universe and nearly everybody fuckin loves her from minute one and whenever she's involved in anything the entire universe revolves around her and absolutely none of it is written in a way that's earned. Granted, this applies to Mantis of the past and not current Mantis, but still.
@paulpinecone246417 күн бұрын
AND SHE HAS COSMIC HOOTERS! COOOOOOSMIC! HOOOOOOTERS!
@icenovice11 күн бұрын
yeah, meanwhile mcu mantis is generally disliked or unnoticed by the people around her when she's just trying her best in the real world after living an extremely sheltered life on Ego
@MegaZeta4 күн бұрын
Nah. The term was never used by people who understood stories particularly well. It was solely used to describe a non-professional type of outsider art in terms of petty rivalries between the artists. Use of the term will never provide what the user wants, and always stands in for a better, more precise term that would provide the necessary information.
@icenovice4 күн бұрын
@@MegaZeta Would you mind telling us what that better, more precise term would be
@JustEverton3 күн бұрын
Sounds like Dudu from Honkai Impact 3rd
@longlivethesheet4561 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, James Gunn having Mantis just be an alien bug girl with empathic abilities was for the best
@rontheauraknight9606 Жыл бұрын
I heard she’s pretty good in the Guardians video game. She’s basically an very quirky character who has similar powers to MCU but also can see alternate timelines and futures
@danylol772 Жыл бұрын
@@rontheauraknight9606 "my hole character trait is being qUiRkY, look at me, i'm sooo QuIRkY"
@dott8348 Жыл бұрын
Why is it for the best?
@Dr.CumsteinMD Жыл бұрын
@@danylol772if you're gonna be an annoying edgelord, at least use the correct words and spelling.
@danylol772 Жыл бұрын
@@Dr.CumsteinMD if you're gonna correct someone at least use your brain, it was intentional to denote how stupid it is
@cedricstohr8825 Жыл бұрын
It’s kinda crazy how many of these writers pet characters there are. You could genuinely make a whole video about them.
@TrashmanCZ Жыл бұрын
Isn´t Kitty Pride pet character of Brian Michael Bendis?
@cedricstohr8825 Жыл бұрын
@@TrashmanCZ it’s a little bit of a different situation because he didn’t create Kitty, but yeah pretty much. She’s been in his Ultimate Spider-Man, xmen, and even got thrown into the guardians of the galaxy when he was writing them. Insane.
@TrashmanCZ Жыл бұрын
@@cedricstohr8825 I would love to know more characters that were created as pet characters just like Mantis because I can´t think of any.
@SpedeVesku Жыл бұрын
@@TrashmanCZ Superior Spider-Man and Anna-Maria were Dan Slott's pet characters
@cedricstohr8825 Жыл бұрын
@@TrashmanCZ Red Hulk and Sage from marvel. DC has a few characters like it, Danny Chase, Deathstroke (Wolfman was notorious for it, don’t look up Terry Long), Harper Row. If you wanted to include things like Bendis where they bring their fave character everywhere, itd be a ton as well
@emilyk5168 Жыл бұрын
I wish you had included how much Englehart hates MCU Mantis. That always makes me laugh.
@toyotatacoma1616 Жыл бұрын
Really? The one quote I recall hearing made him sound extremely apathetic. Something to the extent of ‘well that’s not my character so I don’t care’
@L1701 Жыл бұрын
He hated it because Gunn’s portrayal was based on Abnett and Lanning’s interpretation of Mantis, not Englehart’s original portrayal.
@cky7765 Жыл бұрын
@@dastvan8002lol
@danang5 Жыл бұрын
@@L1701 trully skill issue lol
@joshuawilliams8252 Жыл бұрын
@@L1701 He hates that she's based on the superior comics version? 😂
@nathanl8622 Жыл бұрын
Making a story built on decades-old lore that nobody likes or remembers just to explain away redesigning a character to better fit their movie counterpart is... maybe the most comic book-y thing I've ever heard.
@aerickmon3350 Жыл бұрын
Right next to having a major character die or nearly every umpteenth time
@SammEater Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Archie Sonic comics making a storyline to explain why the 'cartoon Robotnik' now looks like the 'videogame Dr. Eggman' version.
@Leso_Univrs Жыл бұрын
@@SammEater or how they made a whole crazy story to just explain why Sonic's eyes were now green.
@SammEater Жыл бұрын
@@Leso_Univrs Oh yes, I remember that one. Peak comedy.
@SammEater Жыл бұрын
@@Leso_Univrs I think that one and the Dr Eggman issue came back to back. It was at the time Sonic Adventure was about to be released.
@JurassicLion2049 Жыл бұрын
Mantis became one of my favorite characters because of Pom Klementieff’s portrayal. Man I cried at the end of GOTG3. I hope I get to see her again.
@RickReasonnz Жыл бұрын
She's fantastically hilarious in the films. Snorted my drink out when she did that "HELLO!" comm check!
@grease08 Жыл бұрын
@@RickReasonnz It remind me of time when u were the it
@DRoyale1 Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing since the “Legendary Star Lord” will return, it may have something to do with Mantis becoming the “Celestial Madonna” like in the comics…looks like that’s where her story is going, to me…
@roofdogblues7400 Жыл бұрын
@@DRoyale1 Gods help us.
@НяшкаОртодокс Жыл бұрын
i want a spinoff of her just doing random therapy stuff with different characters and creatures like a pseudo reality/talkshow with her as a host or something, and every time it all ends up as legit adventure, she just has this ironic my little pony character vibe
@TubezThe1 Жыл бұрын
Mantis feels like the actual version of what everyone thinks Captain Marvel is written like.
@coolshirtkid Жыл бұрын
right, people who constantly hate on captain marvel are irritating. the ultimates by al yewing is amazing and she’s a key player
@alexlestat Жыл бұрын
@@coolshirtkid a lot of people's problems was with MCU captain marvel, I'm not sure if it's just me but after seeing the trailer for Marvels, I feel like people are going to like her more after it
@coolshirtkid Жыл бұрын
@@alexlestat yeah for sure, but a lot of hate also comes from her appearance in civil war 2 in the comics where her character is written as very authoritarian. her mcu film and that story kinda happened close together so i think the combination of both left a bad taste in people’s mouths. she’s a cool character to me tho, and i always liked her film more than most people do
@CheshireCatMystic Жыл бұрын
I actually kinda like Carol Danvers before Civil War two kind of ruined her character. It does feel like though in the MCU in particular they are trying to push Captain Marvel without actually trying to developer as a character though I think the new movie is going to fix that but there is still somewhat of a problem with her character (what little of our character that they actually do show in the films)
@coolshirtkid Жыл бұрын
@@CheshireCatMystic yeah i’m a big fan of carol
@thatboi7629 Жыл бұрын
I'd always felt a bit bad when I heard that mantis' creator didn't like her MCU adaptation. Then today I learned that her creator was kind of a weirdo, so... I feel significantly less bad lol
@34_Conflict10 күн бұрын
What did he do?
@anonymall10 күн бұрын
@@34_Conflict uh... watch the video?
@armaldoaster9710 күн бұрын
I see this video was recommended to you guys this evening as well.
@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform5 күн бұрын
@@34_Conflictamazing self awareness
@TheN1ghtwalker3 күн бұрын
Even more of a weirdo than James Gunn? Doubt it.
@Batmantherealbatman Жыл бұрын
Mantis is one of the few characters I like in the MCU infinitely more than her comic counterpart
@wdcain1 Жыл бұрын
Wong and Shuri are mine. In the comics they were just Dr. Strange's butler and Cersei Lannister.
@gregcourtney751 Жыл бұрын
@@wdcain1 eh I got introduced to shuri in tanashi coates run. There she transtioned to a spiritual and cultural leader of wakanda with powers taken from their past. The attempts to make her more mcu accurate, while more tempered than some others, were kinda disapointing. Its not just the role change. The mcu has her a a little sister figure for tchalla forced to grow up a bit in WF. The comics version might have started like that but has been an independant and mature adult for a while.
@wdcain1 Жыл бұрын
@@gregcourtney751 My first Shuri story was from Mark Waid's Daredevil run. There, she was a total villain who hated her brother and ran Wakanda with an iron fist. There's not much room to grow past trying to murder Daredevil's mom and a bunch of nuns to cover up her weapon smuggling. Then this was continued in the Avengers comic where she let Wakanda become a necropolis after having the stupid idea of allying with friggin' Thanos. The MCU version is so much better than that.
@gregcourtney751 Жыл бұрын
@@wdcain1 I mean fair. That explains her spirit quest in what I read then. Coates had to basiclly recreate her to be more likable.
@PharaohDom Жыл бұрын
@gregcourtney751 I can not stand the MCU-ification of Comics Shuri (or Marvel characters in general). The Shuri of the 616 continuity was a lethally efficient warrior queen and political hardliner who put Wakanda and her peopl before everything, including herself. She was a great foil for T'Challa and also grew into a more three dimensional character under the pen of Coates. Now she's regressed to adolescence again to appeal to a group of people who...aren't coming to shops to read these mediocre stories she now has. My Shuri was a GROWN ASS WOMAN who had lived and learned. This current version is a Twitter convo made manifest. I'm sure it appeals to someone, but its not for me. My friend's daughter liked the new version and started a comics club at her school so that's a net positive. End of the day these characters can't "belong" to us forever, and they need to change for the next generation of fans. I accept that, but I'll still be a little sore in that fanboy way that I'm not able to enjoy her stories presently.
@flameking6175 Жыл бұрын
Commenting to try to push this video as hard as Steve pushed Mantis.
@tallystuff Жыл бұрын
Badass
@Gemnist98 Жыл бұрын
87 likes let’s goooooo
@RickReasonnz Жыл бұрын
Not possible.
@TitularHeroine Жыл бұрын
This video is the Celestial Madonna
@WeyounSix Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing about old comics is how the largest villains can simply appear for no reason for one issue then go away for a while with no build up at all lmfao
@saifsufian42863 ай бұрын
This has the energy of when someone makes fan fiction where they throw their OC into every important scene even if they are completely uninteresting
@somik-i3x Жыл бұрын
I will always find funny how the movies made those C-Tier list hero into A list in a blink of an eye.
@johans3164 Жыл бұрын
James Gunn just has the talent for that i guess. Suicide Squad and Guardians was so great. Cant wait to see new DC under his leadership
@fuegodrinkscauseusuck6100 Жыл бұрын
C list is more than generous. I wish A list characters (my opinion) like Iron Fist had a better shake at it. The MCU is collapsing under its own weight atm though
@cradodragmire1563 Жыл бұрын
I wish A lists like Taskmaster, and Iron Fist were screwed.
@markpage9886 Жыл бұрын
The Guardians of the Galaxy comics did that. Andy Lanning and Dan Abnett brought these forgotten space characters together in one book. Groot dates back to 1960...it was two brits with encyclopedic knowledge of comic books who did all the heavy lifting.
@PossessedbyPhoenix2 ай бұрын
I had literally never heard of Guardians of the Galaxy until the MCU, despite growing up with Marvel with the X-Men and Spiderman 90s animated series.
@ride-playerbb2818 Жыл бұрын
With James Gunn now in DC, it would be really funny if Willow shows up somewhere, played by Pom
@kenlieck7756 Жыл бұрын
If not, use Bjork (see 16:08).
@makeitthrough_ Жыл бұрын
Oh man, the name 'Willow' always gives me 'nam flashbacks to Jeff Hardy's terrible alter ego from TNA, also known as "Wally The Wasp" to Bryan & Vinny fans
@moomiira Жыл бұрын
i love this omg .. lets hope!!
@TheFLAMEXD Жыл бұрын
Mantis in the comics definitely embodies the mantra "there's no such thing as bad characters, only bad writers"
@lavabite Жыл бұрын
Steve Engelhardt is an incredible writer!! Mantis Is just a hiccup for him on an incredible career. His captain america, doctor strange and batman runs were game changers!
@kingol4801Ай бұрын
Except that is amazing writing
@johnathancopson9328 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much a lot of superhero comics can come off like fanfiction, both in a good way, and a bad way(like with Mantis here).
@ashtonchane6126 Жыл бұрын
Yeah no kidding. Because remember OMD and that time Carol Danvers son from the future impregnate her? Because I sure don’t.
@robrotron2084 Жыл бұрын
Since comics are made now by people who grew up reading comics they basically are fanfiction.
@ltb1345 Жыл бұрын
@@ashtonchane6126 Alabama ahh comic💀
@mell7249 Жыл бұрын
@@robrotron2084 This Mantis is 70s - 80s dude
@cradodragmire1563 Жыл бұрын
@@mell7249 And Marvel began in the 40s. His statement is still technically correct.
@kerricaine Жыл бұрын
on today's episode of "the writer's barely disguised fetish!"
@Luna_Everywhere Жыл бұрын
Gotta admire this guy's sheer devotion to his waifu
@aerickmon3350 Жыл бұрын
When a man loves what he loves🤷🏽♂️
@SenatorDodo09 Жыл бұрын
imagine having such bad taste in waifu though, yikes
@Mycorrhiza Жыл бұрын
Twinkle Nora Rock Me
@stuartbarron7117 Жыл бұрын
I actually think the version of Mantis from the 2021 Guardians video game is somewhat underrated. She has kind of a carefree and happy go lucky personality which I really enjoyed. I also appreciated that they tried something original and didn't just copy her personality from the movies (even though I do still prefer the movie version of her.)
@jack0slack Жыл бұрын
100%. I think she's the best version of the character -- she's interesting, driven by her own goals (weird as they are) and the idea of her multiversal awareness not conveying personal awareness is a heckuva conceit.
@Someguywithalotoftism3 ай бұрын
This mantis storyline is the most like stereotypical old comic book thing I’ve ever heard. Just things happening ridiculously literally all the time
@marsupius Жыл бұрын
The "green Milf raising her space son in the suburbs" version is probably the best version.
@thefearmakerlive Жыл бұрын
Great video. Also, the Guardians of the Galaxy game did an interesting take on Mantis, kind of taking pieces from the more recent Guardians comics and the James Gunn MCU interpretation, and kind of melding them together. Really interesting if you hadn't checked it out.
@lainkey Жыл бұрын
The concept of her experiencing time differently from everyone else was really cool, being like "Have we done this part yet?" and baffling everyone else was also really good for comedy lol
@TheGohanSkywalker Жыл бұрын
I loved how she was portrayed in the Guardians game.
@mttylerdurden9 Жыл бұрын
Which guardians of the Galaxy game? The telltale game or the crystal dynamics game?
@TheGohanSkywalker Жыл бұрын
@@mttylerdurden9 Crystal Dynamics is what I'm referring to, IDK about the Telltale one.
@dr_chunko439 Жыл бұрын
That game did for the Guardians what Insomniac's Spider-Man did for that cast of characters - it told basically a brand-new story that could have been lifted straight from a really good comic run, while giving us interpretations of the characters that weren't exactly like previous iterations but still felt true to themselves. It's a shame it flew under the radar for so many people.
@italucenaz Жыл бұрын
That guy treated his oc just like some artists nowadays treat theirs, but with actual high budget canonical marvel comics, mad respect for him and his fictional gf
@Eris044 күн бұрын
Thought artists treat their ocs like their kids, not their waifu…
@chrxnixx Жыл бұрын
on an unrelated note, I appreciate the pace in which you present the video. It’s different from having all these videos/shorts rain comic facts on you in under 2 minutes
@dyldar4732 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the mcu can improve characters from the comics like mantis making her adorable and really likeable and the video game version of her too is also really good.
@HELLO_KORO Жыл бұрын
That's how i felt with Scarlet Witch
@TheFLAMEXD Жыл бұрын
The MCU has improved a lot of things from the comics, like making overly complicated lore more simple like it should've been from the start. Their biggest improvement to date is the characterisation of Thanos. In the comics, he starts the entire Infinity Gauntlet storyline just to impress Lady Death. In the MCU, his motivation is a misguided attempt to "save the universe".
@FennekinTF Жыл бұрын
Shes not adorable, shes ugly! lol (Y'know, Drax)
@djpegao Жыл бұрын
_One of the times when the adaptation is way better than the original source...._
@zainmudassir2964 Жыл бұрын
One of many times tbh. Especially when it comes to depicting race and gender
@johans3164 Жыл бұрын
Guardians and The Boys did that incredibly well. Original Guardians was kinda mid and some characters were just bland but MCU made them infinitely better and more interesting. Original Boys was so pointlessly edgy. Feels like it was written by 12 year old kids who want to make everything dark just for the sake of being "cool" but the actual series feels like it had something more meaningful to say and has perfect balance between edgy and engaging
@chaserseven2886 Жыл бұрын
@@johans3164 man i really hate people like you who do this bs that shits on people who just write this because they think its cool, like let writers write whatever they want for whatever reason they want not everything has to "say something"
@iancruz6617 Жыл бұрын
@@johans3164 The boys comics everyone was a walking psychopaths. And as for guardians of the galaxy the movie you see not even the original members expect yundo. Which the original team was on vol 2 in a post credit scene.
@cannabishornliu6119 Жыл бұрын
The times where the Netflix adaptation meme is reversed.
@castella352 Жыл бұрын
Hearing how differently Mantis is in the MCU vs comics is crazy. I think part of why MCU GoG is so fun is because it allows for typical wacky comic stuff to shine thru while also giving a lot of heartfelt moments. Mantis is such a fun character and it sucks her own creator couldn't do well by her. Maybe that's that Vol 2 reference 👀
@jamalmillsapp3921 Жыл бұрын
Seems like someone was secretly trying to kill Mantis and Steve kept using comic magic to bring her back.
@PhoenicopterusR Жыл бұрын
They also kept forgetting whether she was green or not, it seems.
@B3RS3RK3R2323 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special where Mantis tells Kevin Bacon "Be Kevin Bacon but like if you didn't suck!" lmfao
@armoghetto Жыл бұрын
The writers of Avengers had a real intense need to do crazy stories of women marrying or leaving with strangers or having weird babies…
@eastsidereviews727 Жыл бұрын
Buddy was wild for this. It's amazing how obsessed creators can get for making their OCs as cool/strong/important as possible, all this did was make folk not like Mantis. Glad the character has been done a lot better in the MCU.
@shinyocelot04archive Жыл бұрын
I can't get over the Mantis & Friends gag at 5:03. These gags just get better overtime with each video.
@42ndLife Жыл бұрын
They should just label Mantis as "Immune to continuity".
@DiceNinja4 ай бұрын
I’m a bit confused how an empath with basic martial arts background is supposed to be as strong as all the avengers together??? At least Captain Marvel had the excuse of being a living nuke
@SpaghettiYOLOKingTTV Жыл бұрын
Mantis in the Guardians of the Galaxy game by Square is also way better than her comic version. The MCU inspiration is very apparent, but she isn't naive as she has traveled the universe, her purpose being she appears where she is most needed. There is a slight tie to her comic counterpart with her ability to see multiple outcomes of situations, but she's never sure what's going to happen until they pass key moments that are in each poasible outcome. Basically, she knows of all the different timelines and their outcomes, but unsure of which timeline they're on or following until thoae key moments, implying she exists in every timeline at the same time. I know it sounds kind of dumb, but it works, mostly because she has all the quirkiness and excitement of the MCU version of her personality. Like if I look at Square's version of Mantis as the future version of MCU Mantis, it fits perfectly together. If they rework the comic version to be more like this, she'd work as a comic character way more while also allowing her to be used only at important times as she doesn't anchor herself anywhere for long periods of time.
@Casubon Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I loved the game version of Mantis - as much as I like the MCU version, she worked better for me in the game.
@tawnybudgieisbored3709 Жыл бұрын
agreed, she was amazing in that game!
@christopherb501 Жыл бұрын
Reminder everyone: this IS the guy who wrote The New Guardians and the Millennium event comic they spun out from. This was the comic that gave us, in issue #2, the man, the myth, the meme, SNOWFLAME, the man powered by c0caine. He's not known for having particularly sane creative notions.
@ValueNetwork Жыл бұрын
It’s really weird that Kang the time traveler knew the celestial Madonna and knew enough about her life and timeline to know the time period that she would be with the avengers… but didn’t know who she was. How? Its obviously not Scarlet witch because she’s been on the team way longer. Simple deduction means it has to be Mantis, even if you don’t know the Chosen ones name you should easily know who it isn’t! What I’m saying is the plot was poorly written just so the writer could have Kang threaten R*pe against the avengers women and that’s obviously weird. I genuinely think this is one of the worst comic stories… and it’s not even the weirdest that mantis gets
@L1701 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the 70s may have been a heyday for Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, but it does…have issues.
@Juniper_Rose Жыл бұрын
"Her neighborhood is called Willimantic..." Hey, that's an actual town here in Connecticut! It is less on the nose, but it's a real location!
@TwinRiver100 Жыл бұрын
wow that was a lot on Mantis. I know the Celestial Madonna story was known for being kind of weird and all over the place. But didn't know Mantis had all kinds of incarnations all over with Steve Engleheart. Thanks for the educational video.
@sonicx24cool51 Жыл бұрын
I like how simplified Mantis was in the MCU to being just a Bug girl who can use telepathy and was the spawn of Ego that he kept around cause of her powers and joined the Guardians after Ego’s defeat
@cui8789 Жыл бұрын
And people think the MCU version of Mantis was a step down, why?
@LoomyFlareDude8 ай бұрын
Because of her limited power set
@blackmagician7645 Жыл бұрын
What's with the Swordsman anyway? All the team needs, is the guy with the bow.😄
@ComicDrake Жыл бұрын
Good thing I have a whole video about him. 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXWmnICLqLJ3oNk
@davidgraham8299 Жыл бұрын
Steve Englehart agreed with you.
@Guywithacamera13 Жыл бұрын
19:33 : her son wasn’t lock up for long tho , all hero’s gave him planet that basically near end the universe to do whatever he wants so he and them can leave each other alone
@deaf-tomcat Жыл бұрын
poor Mantis. i read the celestial madonna storlyine was just aghast at how she was portrayed. i'm slowly making my way through Empire and find it incredibly hilarious that Swordsman and Seqouia are actually such big characters.
@sMyMe9540 Жыл бұрын
Where are you reading these? I'd like to read them too
@deaf-tomcat Жыл бұрын
@@sMyMe9540 lol i buy and borrow physical copies. the big WandaVision omnibus includes the celestial madonna storyline, as well as Empyre and I think some Secret Empire volumes. idk if you have any comic book stores near you, or any libraries with a good comic selection but that's how I do it. i don't like reading comics online, so I don't know where to direct you on that front. (although, my old library did have e-rentals so you could also try that!)
@lucjan1897 Жыл бұрын
A tree person whose child is going to be a savior of universe but he can't make the child because he's a tree and has to use someone's else's body for that? That literally happened in Swamp-Thing too
@featherguardian6023 Жыл бұрын
Damn,Mad Respect to Gunn turning a Terrible Character into One of the Most Beloved Characters in Marvel.
@hmulford3851 Жыл бұрын
I would love for you to speak about the history of the High Evolutionary! His portrayal in GotGv3 was incredible, and I'd like to see how the dots were connected from "geneticist that makes animal people" to "adopter of Adam Warlock", and how that was translated into the movie to become Rocket's creator.
@luigiboi4244 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness that James Gunn, Slayer of Scrappy-Doo, changed her movie interpretation enough so that she could be enjoyable for the movies. I also should give Pom Klimentieff (sorry I spelled her name wrong, French names are hard to spell except for Jacques) some credit for bringing her character to life. I much prefer her movie interpretation than to her comic counterpart.
@LiveHedgehog Жыл бұрын
Mantis is one of my favourite characters in the MCU (helped by Pom Klementieff and James Gunn of course), but I can't imagine I'd have any fondness for the original comic version.
@JuanGomez-ke5py Жыл бұрын
0:16 mantis the most important character ever in in marvel comic if mantis didn't show up all the marvel character will ask where is mantis
@BehemothPhoenix Жыл бұрын
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@BehemothPhoenix Жыл бұрын
Taking these sponsorships is incredibly irresponsible.
@YourMom-jd6jp Жыл бұрын
@@BehemothPhoenix *Sigh*. Welcome to KZbin, where your favorite creators peddle scams because they're too focused on dollar signs to read the fine print.
@calumhouston330811 ай бұрын
Wait, so Marvel was uncomfortable with Mantis kissing a Black man, but the Avengers/Defenders building a planet sized "fleshlight" was perfectly fine?
@michaellogan8359 Жыл бұрын
I was 13 when the Celestial Madonna storyline started, and it was my favorite comics thing ever at the time. But I will admit that comics Mantis has never worked for me in any other story. I was all #notmymantis when she first showed up in the GOG movies, but I got over myself because that character is just delightful.
@alicethemad161311 ай бұрын
I love that panel where she’s basically like “yeah I’m happy I’m not green anymore lol” and groot just smiling and giving her a lil hug
@coleodonoghue2981 Жыл бұрын
Original mantis is pretty much the definition of “my oc solos beats ur oc”
@vcom741 Жыл бұрын
“Man, no one made GotG videos tying into the volume 3 coming out” Drake: “This” Me: “ooo”
@CaptainCat101 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the Mantis Spinoff Cinematic Universe
@leonglitch Жыл бұрын
Me too
@jojojett Жыл бұрын
I love how MCU mantis It has NOTHING of all that 616 stuff 😂
@Azure70 Жыл бұрын
11:43 “Try to follow me” We make no promises
@lainkey Жыл бұрын
Quality aside, I do really like the idea of the creator taking his character with him wherever he wanted. The writer's and artists really should have some ownership on their creations, rather than these massive conglomerates owning everything even if they'll never use them again.
@mttylerdurden9 Жыл бұрын
That's why IMAGE comics exist.
@lainkey Жыл бұрын
@@mttylerdurden9 Ik I just think it should be an industry standard lol
@eliwam400 Жыл бұрын
The storyline where she married a tree was one of my first introductions to avengers comics
@NojoJojo598 Жыл бұрын
I saw this come up and my first thought was "Didn't Drake already do a video on Mantis?" This goes into way more detail about her in general then just her histroy
@YangTheAce Жыл бұрын
Mantis is an adorable jellybean that needs to have her smile protected at all costs.
@gamerzpro091 Жыл бұрын
At 9:18 I got somewhat of a hilarious timed ad because right after why, played an ad of a mech shooting rockets almost telling me that I’m not allowed to know. Then it continued and he never explained it XD
@Toto-95 Жыл бұрын
i"ve read somewhere that she's one of the worst case of "teacher's pet" syndrome. It really shows in the comics
@RowanHeartwood Жыл бұрын
They really missed an opportunity naming him "Sequoia" and not "Treesus Christ"
@youngrootv Жыл бұрын
Comic book Mantis is actually one of the worst comic book characters. I’m glad that she got a rework in the MCU. She’s also not bad in the GotG video game.
@pendantblade6361 Жыл бұрын
Professional writers really act like a bunch of fanfic writers with their super special OC, huh.
@LazarusTheGeek Жыл бұрын
Drake, my dude! Your deep dives are such a delight! Glad to hear that you're enjoying being back in school. That's an awesome reason to not be pumping out content at the speed of light. Mantis' backstory is... wild and that's a massive understatement. I knew so little about her actual backstory that all of this was a prolonged spit-take combined with any "WTF" meme gif... what a tremendous joy this was.
@alexanderarias8273 Жыл бұрын
Mantis was some sort of Mantis sue back in the 80's.
@80Bucks Жыл бұрын
“Mantis is the key to all of this.” - Stan Lucas
@cdadamly Жыл бұрын
Great video! I do think it's worth pointing out that an Asian woman kissing a white man is an interracial kiss, so Mantis's bizarre introduction to [most of] the Avengers beats the example you referenced by four years.
@dr_chunko439 Жыл бұрын
I do think Mantis' appearances in Abnett's run deserve special mention, because she was a lot more interesting there to the point that I was originally disappointed in her MCU interpretation. She worked a lot better for me in GOTG3 though and I was really happy with how they used her in the Crystal Dynamics game.
@alastair1707 Жыл бұрын
Look, I love comics, but at the same time…why the hell must they be so convoluted!?! This is why I try sticking to the smaller stuff, one-off Deadpool stories, some Spider-Man and Venom comics, Batman runs, I can’t take so much convolution!!
@ComicDrake Жыл бұрын
It's really not so bad. It only ends up being a big issue whenever you are like me and go through the entirety of a character. All that really matters for comics is the here and now. Previous stuff is good. Window dressing, but ultimately doesn't take too much away from the story at hand.
@cerebralassassin21854 ай бұрын
It's honestly not that bad. Most of the golden age stuff is basically not cannon for the most part. The majority of the comics aren't that convoluted, especially the bigger names. Honestly marvel overall back then wasn't that good other than Spider-Man, Fantastic 4, and The X-men. The late 90s is really when comics started to become a lot better.
@DeltaGaiya Жыл бұрын
I always wondered how mantis was in the comics because Im criminally bad at reading them so this came at a good time
@gabrielhagedorn5942 Жыл бұрын
Hey, I know that voice at 5:08 that’s Tyler from the Imaginary Axis! Great to hear his voice again!
@OJ_Pimpson Жыл бұрын
Mantis is probably my favorite character in the films. The actress portraying her has done an incredible job
@paulieswalnut Жыл бұрын
I knew nothing about Mantis before GotG2 and now that I do, Im gonna pretend that I know nothing about Mantis before GotG2 😊
@dharmabird1 Жыл бұрын
It was so great to hear Tyler’s voice on this video. I’m glad he’s back online.❤😜
@lighthawk4344 Жыл бұрын
Another great video that chronicles how a poorly designed character can become great!
@phillipjfry494321 күн бұрын
The Abnett and Lanning run on Guardians is one of my favorite comic runs. I love their take on Adam Warlock and really liked Mantis in it.
@KainGerc Жыл бұрын
Mantis is back to being one of the main characters in the newest Guardians comic (probably because of the third movie being recently released)
@StudioNama Жыл бұрын
The version of Mantis in the Guardians video game was pretty good too. Very Manic Pixie Dream Girl, but not in a dated sorta way.
@carljensen333 Жыл бұрын
I adored her as a kid. She married a tree and the ghost of the Swordsman and maybe that should have been the end of her arch. She was still a decent pop-up in cosmic stories but then someone wrote Empyre, and that ruined Mantis, the Cotati, and we should all just forget her son. I did adore her though so that’s the memory I choose. MCU made her fun. She’s still adorable, she is not an example of higher wisdom however. I’m okay with that. Gunn changes things but gives just enough nod to canon to satisfy me.
@AdamSoucyDrums Жыл бұрын
Drake dressed as Iron Man holding an Iron is an underrated bit
@thisrandomdude_ Жыл бұрын
God I love Mantis. She's so funny and like, genuinely cool at times, and her chemistry with Drax is some kind of perfect formula lemme tell ya
@hannahstarinieri1351 Жыл бұрын
MCU mantis is such a great character and her design is super cute and her personality is so cute. She’s incredibly sweet and her character arc is well done, MCU-wise.
@interstelllar1888 Жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more!
@matchamochi781 Жыл бұрын
Mantis in the MCU is one of my favorite characters so it sucks to know a majority of her comic stories are garbage.
@danielramsey6141 Жыл бұрын
Yep, that happens. Decades worth of Awful stories by a bunch of random artists that couldn’t make up their minds about her.
@TwigTheThird Жыл бұрын
I really liked the Guardians video game version of Mantis. Split the difference between comic and MCU nicely
@Mokkari77 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if it was intentional, but it was neat that they made Starlord and Mantis half-siblings in the MCU since they were both created by Steve Englehart.
@jonadams527715 күн бұрын
I loved your reenactment of the Avengers debating Swordsman's membership, with you portraying all the characters. Your were especially cute as the Black Panther.
@FoxyGuyHere4 ай бұрын
I love her in the Guardians of the galaxy game tho and it has same backstory and powerset for her as when she came back to comics for the Guardians.
@Snowstorm...3 ай бұрын
Yes! I love the Guardians of the Galaxy game. It's my favorite depiction of the Guardians, including Mantis
@TevyaSmolka Жыл бұрын
Mcu mantis is probably ten times better then her comics counterpart who’s probably a mess in my opinion.
@MrChupacabra555 Жыл бұрын
Kind of sounds like how Jim Starlin worked to make his interpretation of Warlock one of the most important characters in Marvel (even having him, in the end, end the whole Infinity War Crisis; but glad he got a chance to cameo in the movies that were based on his story line😁)
@rafaelkresmar399811 ай бұрын
Engelhart is proof that not everything was better in the comic books back in the days... but it also shows that stuff that fans hate nowdays was already stuff they hated back in those days...
@c0urt_la Жыл бұрын
You can't just say "giant evil fleshlight" and not explain it