Manufacturing plywood boards: then and now

[@rileyb3d]

That place has got to smell amazing.

[@mrtm400002]

i worked at an UPM plywood factory for a couple months as an apprentice, and yes. yes it does. I miss the place

[@PHARRAOH]

unless your coworkers had lunch at taco bell

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

no protective equipment whatsoever. sawdust, chemicals, noise, abrasions. Did you see that one guys hands all taped up a big cut on his hand. just put some sctoch tape on it and keep working.

[@Digitalhunny]

You do know that THAT smell _is_ the smell of murdered trees screaming, right?! Look someone _had_ to be an arsehole around here, _so_ I nominated myself. Plus, I am after all _completely_ full of shyt. Until, it's proven to be 99.9% true we don't have to talk about it. Now go on & enjoy your salad 👍😁

[@notgiven9291]

What is she living in a mud hut?😅

[@slayer8actual]

The dude walking across the logs in the water made it look so easy.

[@thejman8734]

Because it is

[@pharmika]

@@thejman8734 Ask the OSHA about that ...

[@Visengrad]

@@pharmika f**k OSHA

[@thedillestpickle]

On a massive log like that it would be easy.

[@mikeking7470]

In a pond like that it is easy, on a river it was a lot harder. My family worked in logging in the Pacific Northwest from the 1880's to the 1930's. The boots, logger caulk boots, or "cork boots" have spikes on the soles.

[@JLK89]

I love how the log core waste from back then is thicker than the logs used now...

[@zrimm15]

In the original video they are using Douglar Fir, a massive tree. Now they are using Birch, a much much smaller tree.

[@johntuffy5721]

@@zrimm15 they still use DF today in canada but they are all small trees(pecker poles) because the old growth trees are gone.

[@mikeking7470]

The "pith" in the log center is worthless, not even good for a fence post. A big Doug Fir had a pretty big pith. A tiny "Baltic" Fir has a much smaller pith.

[@dalentoews3418]

@@zrimm15 I've hauled fir to the plywood plant in town, the smaller logs where probably 24"

[@stylicho]

I was thinking the same thing. Amazing how large the trees used to be compared to today. Sometimes preserving the environment is a good thing regardless of what some whacko thinks, and we don't need to cut down all the redwood trees etc

[@JarJarBaggett]

I now know the reason my grandpa’s shed made of plywood from the 50’s is still standing and mine made 3 days ago is falling in. He remembered to use nails

[@TheBanjoShowOfficial]

lol

[@peytonsilver5817]

Possibly the funniest comment I’ve ever read lmao

[@fireboltaz]

He was definitely nailing your grandma in that shed

[@SilverLightRain]

Plywood is much stronger than ordinary wood because of the criss-crossing of the wood grain in plywood, but it is more susceptible to water damage than ordinary wood. You have to give a generous amount of paint, especially at the ends.

[@Mike_Jones68]

That and back then they used REAL plywood everywhere...now its a novelty and instead your shed and prob your house is made outta particle board thats just mostly glue...expect your house to fall down and the neighborhoods built in the 70s to still be standing

[@deanwild4971]

The 1950s factory was actually way more high tech than I was expecting

[@timregan1005]

there was nuclear bombs before the 50s..?

[@DoesThisWork888]

@@timregan1005 But did they have advanced technology like running water in 50s ??????

[@seanrodgers1839]

They had cars in the 50s too. You don't know much about history do you? The industrial revolution happened 300 years ago. Only computers are new. Some consider the old complex mechanical devices a form of computer.

[@seanrodgers1839]

@@DoesThisWork888 The Romans had running water.

[@seanrodgers1839]

@@MaxG-jk8ty I can be very good at polite conversation, but sometimes I choose not to. Sometimes I find people's idea that people of the past didn't have complex things, and by implication that they weren't as intelligent, a bit offensive. As if they, the modern people are superior. So, I take a bit of an attitude in response.

[@walterbryan1798]

I always wondered how they made the stuff. I didn’t know a tree trunk was “peeled” and rolled out. Interesting.

[@timnew7662]

The Plywood mill I worked at didn't use soaking in a river to soften the wood. The logs were precut to 8 foot lengths and dumped in huge vats of hot water, with some chemicals mixed in to make the wood soft for the debarking machine and the lathe.

[@still34u]

Next time you see a sheet of plywood, notice the pattern. More often than not you will see it repeat. Looks like two identical pieces of wood were stitched together. Because as the log spins and gets peeled, you end up with that sort of pattern. Then, once you know, you will start seeing it in many, many places. Such as kitchen cabinets, desks, even doors. Veneer is made the same way. You used to be able to buy just one "sheet" of the veneer and glue it to what ever you were using for your project. Plain door? Buy an oak veneer with repeating pattern and end up with "antique" looking masterpiece. Only people who know, know.

[@dailydoseofrips8482]

$$$$$$$$$$$$ but you can’t trick Mother Nature she will catch up sooner or later lol

[@hamiltonmasseyii4747]

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[@Pablo.Escobar_93]

Now you do.

[@seanrodgers1839]

1954: alternating directions 2016: at right angles Using different words for exactly the same thing makes it so much more hi-tech.

[@maxdarner5672]

​@The Monster Under Your Bed equations dont add up? Simply add a theoretical 'dark variable' to make them work! 2 + 2 is proven to not equal five? Add a dark variable that can be whatever you want! 2 + 2 + x͑̉҉͉̗̱͓̙ = 5! Now science™ works and the universe™ is understood.

[@credinzel6996]

@The Monster Under Your Bed India: *bruh*

[@pennygadget7328]

@The Monster Under Your Bed We get it, you love racism, but this is a weird convo to be flexin that, duder

[@tonygriffin8007]

@@pennygadget7328 he isnt racist he is just making fun of the radical left that is made up of soft snowflakes who think everything is racist and sexist

[@nikobitan7294]

@@tonygriffin8007 Right, the left are the soft snowflakes, and not the ones whining because their endless and one-sided shitting on women and minorities for daring to not be white men is getting some flak for a change, instead of obligatory high-fives and circlejerking like the poor babies think they should be entitled to.

[@JimP226]

I was actually impressed with the 50's mill. The process was actually pretty sophisticated and pretty well mechanized. There was even a guy wearing a hard hat. Was really sad to see the giant trees felled for this though. They should have also included OSB plywood. Since most modern homes constructed (in Canada at least) do not use laminated plywood. Maybe some of the cabinetry, but not much.

[@bimm7930]

Lol people build castles and the great wall of China and people making plywood is what got you 🤣

[@charlesdjones1]

@@bimm7930 lmao

[@Rubiecat]

@@bimm7930 ??? are you able to impressed by only one thing ? if so you are living a sad life

[@dro-809]

If you watch this is reverse, you'll learn how trees are made.

[@francoislebois]

You got me

[@Mike_Jones68]

Lmao good one!

[@twistah]

He's out of line but he's right

[@johnp.6692]

Ÿξ§

[@stitchergary]

About 60 years ago, when I was about 4 years old, I remember riding in the back seat of my parents car in Ontario, Canada and looking down and seeing the river full of cut logs.... I was fascinated and asked my father why and how they got in the river...

[@wittydev4301]

Who fucking cares ???

[@ChicanoOne760]

I've been in cars and seen things. Who cares dude

[@stitchergary]

@@ChicanoOne760 Thank you for taking the time out of your day to write that encouaging reply....you must live a fullfilling life in your mother's basement.....

[@Nicholas-f5]

@@wittydev4301 decent people

[@cdeezy2718]

I remember... 15 minutes ago. I took a 💩

[@zach3699]

The way lumber prices are, you’d think people do everything with their teeth.

[@gilbertlizama8448]

Dude exactly. Building shit right now is way too expensive.

[@marlo8850]

@@gilbertlizama8448 Theres plenty of lumber but the sawmills were shut down because of the rona

[@NoNORADon911]

@@marlo8850 Baaaaaaah...thats what a sheep does

[@Umbra_Nazgul]

Biden jacking everything up. Dementia fuck

[@marlo8850]

@@NoNORADon911 uh, whats this got to do with anything? Im not a democrat

[@timothybradek3560]

Speaking of gloves, one fast rule is that you never wear them operating machinery.. such as feeding a rip saw. And to my surprise, pulling venear and core off the dryers, just how quick a man's hands calluse and toughen up. Besides, those typical thick canvas gloves only last maybe a week and a half, at tops, anyway. Loved the work, but that was there and then, not here and now w/ technology. My favorite postion was spreaderman, just before the Hot press. Thanks

[@stefanzzz6778]

100% disagree with you. I ran a 500,000m3 ply mill. The wood fibre is laden with bacteria, and quickest way to get an infection… splinter. Handling dry veneer is like handling broken glass, its dry, sharp, brittle. We used Kevlar tight fitting gloves, and hand to elbow sleeves. “Toughen up” is 1950 IMO and a great way to have your workers with time off work.

[@baconsnot]

@@stefanzzz6778 Depends on the machine. Wearing gloves and long sleeves on most metal working machinery (such as lathes or mills) is an easy way to get maimed or killed. Hot metal shavings are worse in every way than wood splinters. The only option is to "toughen up" and be mindful of how you handle the materials.

[@timnew7662]

Don't wear gloves and you might get a dozen splinters in your hands before the day was over. But you are correct. Those leather gloves didn't last more than a few days. Some would use heavy rubber gloves. Especially on the dry end of the dryers where the sheets of veneer were pulled out and graded from.

[@OfficialClanLegion]

Wrong.

[@yucol5661]

@@baconsnot doesn’t “toughen up” mean “live with the injuries and keep working until you physically can’t and are out of a job”?

[@FlumenSanctiViti]

1954: 150 people work hard to make some fine plywood. 2016: 15 people oversee robots doing hard work to make some fine plywood. 2062: 1 person oversee advanced 3D printer rearranging cellulose molecules into some fine plywood.

[@isellcatlitter]

1954 :0 people know what a 3-d printer is 2016: 150 people program and repair robots 2062: the 3-d printer is an antique due to the invention of the replicator

[@alphamale9814]

FlumenSanctiViti why make plywood if replicating/arranging cellulose is possible?? Build furniture at will at home.😂😂 Just saying.

[@giausjulius4]

There will always be the consummate craftsman willing to sacrifice time to make something perfect using time-honored methods. You can see this everywhere in Japan and I'm sure in other places of the world where there are still a dedicated few to master their art to make the perfect product. Even in Star Trek, Jean Luc's brother lived in France and was still hand-making wine even though you could find the nearest replicator and boop in on the screen for a glass of pino noire.

[@АндрейИ-ф3л]

1954 - толстые деревья распускают на фанеру. 2016 - тонкие березовые бревна распускают на фанеру. 2062 - из веток и листьев делают фанеру.

[@RealMangaAddict]

That's assuming there are any trees left at the rate we're going.

[@LeglessWonder]

5:46 imagine having to wear a shirt that says “committed to wood” lol

[@pesachnestlebaum]

Bro you made my morning thanks 😂

[@yeahyeahyeah5089]

Would u rather wear one that says "commited to morning wood"? 😬😬😬😬 lol

[@Acetyl53]

The modern world is creepy and disgustingly tacky.

[@fleetcaretrucks]

That is some highly advanced machinery they are using in Finland , I have a feeling the plywood from homedepot is made using a 1948 Buick attached to reciprocating saw.

[@wparo]

I can see they started to wear gloves

[@nishantdsouza]

And job losses due to automation

[@akivaweil5066]

@@nishantdsouza So? Everything is cheaper now.

[@Marcuslobenstein]

@@nishantdsouza that's debunked soo many times. Almost all automation is to remove shitty monotonous jobs. Unemployment is very low in whole Europe and we are extremely automated

[@nishantdsouza]

@@Marcuslobenstein I am happy to hear this

[@tiadaid]

@@Marcuslobenstein Just because unemployment is low doesn't mean job losses due to automation is also low. It's just that Europe's workforce mobility is much higher, that those displaced by automation can easily shift to another position.

[@POTThaesslich]

Should have said that the size of the “scrap”log in the old times is the size of today’s starting log.

[@wanderingandroid]

yeah, i was like WTF?!?! that was scrap?

[@TONYTHETlGER]

Sadly because the trees used from the 50s are older than if they were to plant them then for use today.

[@secretcompartments9745]

Theyre two different types of trees

[@AsianNIGMA]

@@TONYTHETlGER today’s wood is mostly farmed dude

[@TONYTHETlGER]

@@AsianNIGMA Yes, I know that. I was putting into perspective of the age of trees used back then.

[@Smurphenstein]

I used to work in the "old" industry. I still remember the smells and the heavy machinery.

[@airy-mountain]

Funny I still remember the ever present smell of wood as well. Was good work but I sure don't miss working the hot press in the middle of summer. Had great fun skiing behind the forklift on a pair of fishtails.

[@timnew7662]

Yep......I spent a few summers between college terms working for the Georgia Pacific Corp. Only there we used Pine trees instead of Fir.

[@icebankmicelf]

If anyone was curious like I was, the veneer patching machine was patented in 1953 by the E. V. Prentice company from Portland, Oregon

[@Al_Gore_Rhythmn]

Now portland is a feces laden, liberal shithole

[@ivaranderson2556]

@@Al_Gore_Rhythmn I'll bite, just to say: you tend to see what you're looking for. If you don't live in Portland, you have little basis for comment. If you do live in Portland, I wonder how your experience differs so much from that of the Portlanders I know. Are you involved in your community? Know your neighbors? Care about either?

[@Al_Gore_Rhythmn]

@@ivaranderson2556 I moved away from Portland

[@artistjacob2140]

As a naval mine warfare historian, I find the inventor of plywood, Immanuel Nobel, to be fascinating. (1) He invented the first mines purchased on a large scale for military use. These mines were successfully used in the Crimean War to defend the approaches to St Petersburg. (2) One of his sons, Ludvig, invented the oil tanker ship, and together with his brother Robert basically founded the Russian oil industry. (2) A 3rd son, Alfred, invented dynamite. When a French newspaper mistakenly reported the death of Ludvig as being that of Alfred, and reported rather unflatteringly on Alfred’s life, Alfred bequeathed in his will his entire fortune to be used to reward advances in various pursuits, the highest of which is peace. That prize is known as the Nobel Peace Prize. Not a bad legacy for the inventor of plywood!

[@gooble69]

Awesome comment!

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

wow Jacob! good research!!

[@herknorth8691]

The dislikes are from OSHA inspectors that watched the first 5 minutes of the video.

[@trharrington22]

OSHA would shit their pants at the second video lmao

[@donkeytyper1075]

@The Monster Under Your Bed Ya! Being safe is for losers!

[@IBASteve]

exactly what i was thinking

[@ambivvvvvvvvvalence]

@The Monster Under Your Bed said by the person who thinks the unions are the corrupt and problematic ones lol. Corporations are using the few instances of union corruption to sour the concept of unions to pay workers less and line their own pockets. Please educate yourself before spreading misinformation.

[@jic1]

@@ambivvvvvvvvvalence No need to fight about it, corporations and unions are both as corrupt as each other.

[@theonlybuzz1969]

It’s amazing to see that in the old days, the difference in the diameter is one that the “waste” of the Douglas fir core is about the same as what the modern Finnish company was using (in relative terms of course). Loved watching both operations! Thanks for showing us this video....Phil

[@matthewdeavitt9888]

The veneer mill I work at has been there since the forties and is still doing it the same way. From cutting the logs, to the guillotine operater, to sorting the boards, to feeding the dryer, to chipping the waste and scraping the furnace. We have Zero robots and fancy controls, and I couldn't be happier with it.

[@xxRamD3yruxx]

Where is the mill located?

[@rr8960]

I worked 4 summers for Weyerhaeuser on both the green end (where the wet boards are fed into the dryer machines) and the dry end where they are graded for the size of the imperfections before going to the ply-veneer machine. It was grueling, but working there put me through college and taught me the value of hard work.

[@edwardgalles7120]

1 also enjoyed working in plywood mill our log blocks were 96" in diameter

[@I_THE_ME]

Back in the 70s the same Koskisen sawmill was producing lots of waste wood core. My grandfather found out how cheap those cores were and started building saunas for himself from those cores. Sadly it didn't take long for the mill to catch on to what he was doing and they promptly raised the prices. Now 50 years later his saunas are still like brand new.

[@andrewcady9443]

Should be called "Documentary Film-Making: Then and Now." You really have to notice the rapid superfluous cuts and moving shots and the lack of attention to demonstrating the actual process, in the second part. It's like MTV vs. Citizen Kane.

[@EggwardEgghands]

Could also be called "Safety Panels - How to protect your workers"

[@jackbud3]

Andrew Cady my bff w. Wwww b8 . X l

[@brothyr]

it would be redundant to go over how it's done since it was shown in the first part and the idea is already explained.

[@ManInTheBigHat]

Totally. The old way was A to B to C. Blunt and straight forward like the men doing the work. The new way is A, some more A, a cut to a computer screen with no explanation, a cut to a joystick with cool depth of field, maybe this is B, but why worry about. A stack of veneer but where's the glue? No presses, but wait! Is this B still? Oh, there's your plywood. It's kind of C, now.

[@ManInTheBigHat]

Watching again I think the editors of the original were interested in conveying the experience of watching the logging / plywood procedure. The second half is edited by someone who is seduced by editing. NLE (Non Linear editing) 'computer' editing is the big difference. It takes discipline to edit without falling prey to MTV cuts because each edit is a click and a drag away. It's too easy. You think you are doing something because you're clicking and dragging more. It's an example of the tool directing the artisan instead of the artisan mastering the tool. In short, it sucks.

[@lapdog1479]

I was a sawyer and grader in a plywood mill in the early 70s. This is a fascinating film, especially how different it is from then.

[@Nicholas-f5]

Tom Sawyer 🪚

[@nickkk420]

1:30 the "waste log" is the size of what they cut these days

[@tedewoldt]

I'm thinking that those become 'peelers' that we use for fencing.

[@outforlunch1258]

Yes not every tree is the same size or used for the same thing

[@ErtugrulK]

You can't use the inner core for producing plywood. big tree = big core

[@66Cardiff]

3:35 You have a core feeder who feeds the strips through the glue machine, a core layer who lays the glued strips, and then you have the head and tail sheet turners who lift 2 full sheets together up over the body of the core layer. I was a sheet turner for 2 summers right out of high school. Long, hot work. We wore skin tight heavy rubber gloves. The core layer got pretty pissed of if you hit him with sheets going over his head. Sometimes it couldn't be helped because the sheets would break apart in your hand from being so brittle or cracked. 30 sheets of plywood to a load (into press) at 100 to 150 loads per shift if you were fast and the wood was good.

[@ScreamingEagleFTW]

heckuva shoulder workout eh?

[@Momo_Kawashima]

"Okay so basically we skin a log and press it together"

[@rbnhd1976]

Right, with the grain direction alternated in layers, makes it very strong

[@HungPham-ki9wu]

Yes wondering the same thing why they do it

[@jojojorisjhjosef]

That old footage was very impressing, the future of the past.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

Almost every job shown in the old timey one was a high possibility of instant death or brutal injury.

[@sucapizda]

Don't worry, they had no cell phones, texting or super hot chicks with smoking asses working back then. People actually concentrated on the job and lived to tell about it.

[@michaelparker2449]

Lucky Goose Don't be so ridiculous.

[@blackbird8632]

Back when men were men, women were men, even children back then, men.

[@michaelparker2449]

It's always funny when simpletons start overcompensating calling people snowflakes when anyone with a clue would understand the causes and consequences of modern society and how it happened.

[@ddt0889]

Lucky Goose This is very true. I have seen several workplace injuries occur directly because of those distractions. I've seen people walk straight into dangerous machinery while it's operating, drive into closed garage doors, and generally be useless shits all while using their smart phones stupidly. As for women in the workplace, as a former manager I can tell you that the vast majority of workplace interpersonal complaints, disputes, gossip, and fighting were directly caused by women. Over generalizing here, but they tend to take everything personally and drastically overreact to any perceived insult. I could also tell if they were going to ask me for time off or something because they would squeeze their boobs together and play with their hair and start talking with this horribly annoying whiney voice.

In the middle 1960's I worked in the Weyerhauser plywood plant in Longview, WA and that 1950's technology was still in use.

[@alexmailloux1]

I work in a plant as a student in the 90 and the method was more like the old movie...

[@renzoreba]

Do you still have your fingers?

[@maxxpro4]

Do you still have eyes?

[@FalconFastest123]

Amazing! The way the wood just rolls off the log in flexible sheets is soo cool!

[@tomkelly8827]

That is some amazing technology. I love that with plywood there is no sawdust waste from milling boards, the cross lamination gives it exceptional properties, not splitting and higher strength and well it is just all around interesting to see! Thanks for sharing

[@andrewperry1819]

The moment you realize that the waste in 1954 is the size of today's tree

[@LetsGoFlyers2011]

yeah, probably made particle board out of it.

[@gramursowanfaborden5820]

mashed up to make Donkey Dinner or chipboard.

[@brianagee2790]

Those posts would make for good farm fencing.

[@gramursowanfaborden5820]

you know, i believe that's where those posts come from.

[@CaseyLane925]

Andrew Perry the waste goes to a chipper, then the paper mill and the cores are shipped or belted to the lumber mill to be cut down to dimensional lumber. Nothing is wasted... By Weyerhaeuser anyway

[@agnostickamel]

Did I just watch a 6 minute video on plywood? Yes, yes i did.

[@scarakus]

it was actually almost interesting

[@sammcdonald769]

agnostickamel . I know right, thoroughly enjoyed it too. Remind me the days of Mr. Rogers and picture picture. 🤣

[@imdigginit676]

agnostickamel watch how marbles are made! Equally fascinating!

[@Morgow1]

agnostickamel, 6 minutes is nothing compared to what these workers have to see all day.

[@michrain5872]

Yes. I don't understand why I watched this either o,o

[@northgeorgia7357]

Those lady's t-shirts said commitment to wood, I need one of those for my girlfriend!

[@kbtube8125]

i wouldn't. then she'll expect something. something wood like.

[@darrelstickler]

North Georgia commitment to woodie

[@patrciaclemons8183]

Would be sued if that shirt was in America today

[@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid]

Wow. I thought of the exact same joke when I saw those shirts! 🤣

[@jamesramsay867]

Lucky for her toothpicks are still made of wood

[@nathanrocks2562]

Wow and no gloves while handling those raw sheets! The comparison between then and now is an awesome look at how manufacturing has evolved. That truly is a high tech factory of the future!

[@originalname9999]

You mill workers are beasts, thanks for all you do.

[@Jstricks87]

This is really cool, but how is the garbage I buy at Home Depot made? Because it has thousands of voids and cracks instantly.

[@gregbrunnhuber2510]

Jstricks87 .... this you are watching is mature fir being processed into plywood ... you are buying southern yellow pine plywood ... made from smaller dimension trees grown in commercial forests ... plus your plywood is made with water based adhesive ... I used to be an area mgr for GP

[@jonlanier_]

Most likely your wood was put together by a foreign (Japanese) company off shore in big ships and then brought back to mainland. Because cheaper is always better.

[@Jstricks87]

This comment struck a chord with me as ignorant. I assume you are over the age of 60 and were burned with crappy post WWII Japanese sheet metal toys as a child. I am not sure if you are aware but since about 1994, Japan's manufacturing quality has been very high. Also, Japan has almost no wood. Most lumber and timber in the US come from Canada and Plywood imports come from Brazil and Chile.

[@sucapizda]

All the products sold in Home Depot are made from powder. So you have powdered plywood. Thats why it cracks.

[@Cara.314]

you get what you pay for. buy the expensive stuff instead of bottom shelf bargain wood and you wont have that problem

[@tylerdurden9748]

they also apparently add a layer of gold nowadays, at least the price reflects that.

[@zlcoolboy]

If you put gold in the glue it makes the glue work better.

[@walterkersting1362]

I’ll bet that whole operation smells amazing. I’ll bet a lot of that equipment is still working. I’ll bet a lot of that plywood from the fifties is still in service. I’ll bet the trees grew back by now.

[@supercomputer0448]

I doubt the last thing

[@annesuekocoyle1956]

That tree was at least 200 years old.

[@dotta4763]

You must be drunk Those are secular trees and not even your grandchildren’s grandchildren will see them back at that size

[@decodolly1535]

@@dotta4763 "Secular trees"? As opposed to religious trees......?

[@dotta4763]

Deco Dolly exactly !

[@charleslane2735]

This song is so addictive it makes me want to watch the video over and over and over and over again just so I can listen to the music.

[@jaimegutierrez5125]

A tree took 300 hundred years to grow, or even more, and a man in minutes turn it into plywood. No wonder we have nothing left. Nature paying a high price for industrialization.

[@quiksilverz2451]

No gloves back in the day, splinters must have been hell.

[@dakmis]

guessing their hands are so worked over it's like they have gloves...

[@neoqueto]

or they have splinters embedded in their skin so it's practically made of wood at this point and behaves like a protective glove, shielding from further splinters.

[@sovamind]

I noticed that but also safety goggles and ear protection in the today video.

[@ezet]

I'd say gloves were forbidden for they are pretty dangerous, if they get caught in something you can lose your fingers/hands

[@POBulkhead]

They've had gloves since... forever. Some people couldn't afford them

[@frankmakes]

Making cylinders into planes

[@gasmaskio]

Love your work. Your jokes are ok too.

[@ItsAllAboutTheComedy]

haha apprecio

[@RubSomefastOnIt]

A plane has no thickness though...

[@losojosdehotspanish2162]

frank howarth rectangular prisms, very thin ones.

[@velvetmidnight9535]

Youre bald

[@tonymusic720]

What's the best way to carve wood? Whittle by whittle.

[@big1finger]

No it is a CNC

[@whatyousaidbud]

If you're looking for a laugh I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

[@svtirefire]

That joke doesn't make the cut.

[@charlesmatthews9946]

Not plywood

[@theokierebel4398]

Quit stealing jokes you fuck, especially from your grandpa.

[@utleychase7]

My great grandfather in North Western Ontario worked on the saw mills doing this very same thing!

[@murraystewartj]

Greetings from British Columbia, Canada. The first part of this video reminded me of the films we were shown in elementary school, extolling the virtues of our major industry. That was the 1960s, and how much has changed. Back then, those huge old-growth trees were still seen as limitless, the forests clear cut as fast as possible. Forestry jobs, whether falling trees or working in the mills, paid well but had a staggering death and injury rate, which was accepted as normal back then. Fast forward, and how much has changed. The "cores" that were discarded in the first segment are about as big around as the second or third growth trees being harvested now. The plants are all computerized to maximize yield from smaller stick trees (and yes, when you are old enough to remember the size of the logs on the logging trucks once going to the mills, they are sticks today) with a fraction of the previous workforce. Once ravaged forests struggle to recover, but even extensive replanting can't replace in a couple of decades what took centuries to grow. Now, warmer winters have led to wide swaths of forests dying to beetle infestation - so much that the dead wood can't be harvested before it's unusable. Then the mega-fires come in and scorch the earth so that everything, including the micro-environment in the soil, is dead. I hope they're doing better work in Finland with replacing trees faster than they consume them, otherwise it's just another damned gold rush, and when it's over.... Fancy computerized plants won't make a damned bit of difference if the resource is managed with long-term goals in mind.

[@orangeaction6002]

That place must smell amazing

[@coffeeexmachina]

2:55 Good grief those dudes must have hands like leather

[@rkhrd3211]

wearing suits non the last

[@user-xl1ni1tv4s]

@@rkhrd3211 they are wearing labour attire no suits

[@TheRandynorris]

And yet every damn sheet of modern birch plywood we receive is either delaminating , has voids, or is badly out of square. I e been building furniture and cabinets for 35years prices keep going up and quality keeps going down.

[@paull2815]

Finns drink a lot.

[@In_Space]

The increasing pricing is called "inflation".

[@sidmetalman72]

Buy albasia from us in Indonesia.

[@roberts3741]

And get off my lawn!!

[@moreygloss9248]

Worked with plywood for 40 years. Seen delamination, seen voids. Never, ever seen a mill-end out of square. Ever. Never mind 'badly out of square'. Doesn't happen, dude.

[@bradleychilds4387]

Watching this is so habit forming. One of best videos on KZbin. Way better than the garbage on TV. Any new TV sold should have KZbin standard.

[@supremo6415]

Wow!!! the real MVP is the one who created the machine to make the plywood!!!

[@thatonethattalksalot7656]

Gotta love how they did it with the camera shots in today's version vs old days! Back then cameramen just stood there going WHOOOOAAA everytime in one spot while today's cameramen would be whipping their drones in the air full swing at the angles and good hd close-ups!

[@ernestol8572]

This is the first video I have seen with this kind of music that was about actual wood.

[@mafarnz]

The 1954 footage is astounding. Massive old growth trees being used for plywood!?!? They could have gotten some awesome dimensional lumber out of that! Such waste of our resources, things were taken for granted then.

[@McNibbler]

Crazy to think how horribly unregulated and inefficient it was then

[@dadsvespa]

Humans are incredible . To come up with this idea, then build the machines to accomplish it....is..well, incredible !

[@NeaonBHB]

I hope the people of Finland appreciate the engineering and workmanship that went into building this machinery they use. That engineering from the Congo is a sight to behold

[@thomasbarlow4223]

Man I have been seeing that biscuit cut out on plywood 3:18 for so many years and always wondered about it finally my life is complete

[@jeromeduffy9270]

Me too

[@nibel13]

"...The Finnish'ed plywood ..." Hey wait a minute!

[@BLUTSERV]

Everything in this process is so fucking dangerous and I love it.

[@nikobitan7294]

People being mutilated and killed horribly because they're too cool and macho for safety measures is so awesome.

[@foadrightnow5725]

Wood is a hugely underappreciated miracle material! We all take it for granted!

[@1959Berre]

Back breaking work all day long. Who can be nostalgic about it, but those who where not there?

[@brendanmatelan2129]

I work at a lumber company, and we watched this during some classroom instruction. The whole time I was comparing to how laxed the safety was back in the 1950s, compared to now. This is well before OSHA, and they certainly did things WAY different 70 years ago. It's honestly stunning for me.

[@mitch832]

I never realized that one layer in plywood is called Veneer in English. I think this must have something in relation with Finnish word for Plywood - it's called Vaneri

[@ZekeValentin]

I learned this word in this video as well, Oxford dictionary traces its root back to Old French apparently.

[@nielsniels4503]

I think it has a common root. The danish word for plywood is Finer.

[@Lex60]

Just realized the name too, thanks to another video. We always called it triplay and each layer "chapa" or "sheet".

[@Niekwood]

Dutch word is fineer

[@Zwaser]

It's fanér in swedish :P

[@Psychlist1972]

Finnish Birch ply is good stuff. Should show how the craptastic plywood from the local big box store is made. :P

[@videosunrelated1883]

pretty sure they use 1/4 a gallon of glue, and a chainsaw blade for their rotary cutter

[@Psychlist1972]

The "cabinet grade" stuff in the local big box stores is very bad. Not just full of voids, but also the sheets overlap. It's clearly a different process with a whole lot more "don't care" involved. And yes, I've heard of plywood grading before. :)

[@Psychlist1972]

museack thanks for making a big assumption. It's not about being cheap, it's about availability and access. The baltic/finnish birch is extremely difficult to get here without having a company ship a pallet, and when you can find it, the place only has a couple sheets that look like bowls because they've been there for a decade. The local lumber yards are borderline hostile to small quantity buyers (they require you pick only from the top of the stack, which has been sitting out in the weather and is in worse shape than the crap from home depot/lowes), and I have no place to store massive amounts of plywood without it being exposed to the nasty mid-atlantic humidity in any case. I've found one retailer who *may* be able to supply it, but after a week, they still haven't gotten back to me. I'll likely have to drive the two hours up to them to see what they have. Their local store a half hour away had, like others, just massively bowed stuff that had been out in the humidity. I'm not being a cheap-ass, but thanks for being a smart-ass. I have no problems paying more for good stuff when it makes sense.

[@Psychlist1972]

Brad B that 1/16 veneer is horrible. Not only is it super thin, but it flakes off like they have massive areas with no glue. Stuff is a disaster. I stopped buying it, but as a result, but a lot of projects on hold for a long time while I try to find better stuff that hasn't been sitting out in the weather. If we had a less humid climate, it might be easier to find plywood in good condition, but even the good stuff is in bad condition here.

[@Slowhand871]

Pete Brown a lot is made in China.

[@northwestcustoms6663]

Worked in a plywood mill for 8.5 years. We made Multiply underlay with the green X's on it and we also made wood hockey stick shafts.

[@boneholster7096]

Old timey engineering on full display. Nothing new under the sun. Great video.

[@Gauge1LiveSteam]

With all these modern, efficient, cost saving techniques, why is plywood so freaking expensive?

[@mrr4979]

Expensive???..10 bahts for metre square...we prefer burning the tree rather than produce plywood.

[@Automedon2]

For what it is, it's not expensive at all

[@rodsofgod6863]

IS IT ME OR THE THICKNESS OF THE LOGS HAVE BEEN REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY? TEN YEARS FROM NOW WE WILL BE PROCESSING TWIGS!!!

[@wesmoc]

Actually the thickness is smaller because they can use many smaller quick growth trees rather than fewer old growth trees. They also no longer throw away the core of the tree.

[@paull2815]

Lol. Fir trees and birch trees are different even in Finland.

[@blackdeath4eternity]

@@wesmoc the core was not thrown out, was used for other things, paper or posts.

[@zurimuris4222]

we are processing twigs and scraps... its called OSB the majority of construction sheathing is made of it these days.

[@snipewa4]

BC Douglas Fir VS Finnish Birch ...yeah, they're pretty much the same

[@kennethh3790]

oof, breaks my heart every time i see someone chop a redwood

[@Toktokispoison]

Douglas fir trees

[@waggafletcher]

I work in a plywood mill in Wagga Wagga, Australia in 2021. Our method of manufacture has much more in common with the 1950s process than the modern one. We even use 1950s (and older) machinery, including a 90 year old Jenkins trim saw (which I operate). Our patching machines are pre WW2 German made. Four people to a glue spreader. Raute veneer dryer. Panel sander hand fed - one board at a time. A modern 36 daylight hot press, and a vintage 10 daylight hot press (the only press in Australia that can take 50mm boards). Our veneer peeler operates without the benefit of soaking logs. The mill closes forever in December. Jobs to China.

[@haroldalexis4200]

This a great video educational. I'm a die hard fan of plywood and many other lumber products. This is not only my first watching of this channel but how plywood & veneer is made. At this writing i'm looking for veneers for my older loudspeaker sets.They're drying & over waxed they need replacement. I learned so much watching this nostalgia & current technologies cut & create lumbers! Awesome video! 🎥👋👋👋👋👋👋👋

[@nickcormier8571]

Very interesting. Both processes are interesting But I have to admit, watching machines do most of the work is not as poetic as watching the men do their thing.

[@RAdams]

Then No Gloves - Now Gloves

[@NyuuMikuru1]

Kids nowadays are losing fingers and hands because they still don’t follow damn instructions when being told to. Worked 12 years adding 8 makes 20 years journeyman experience.

[@curtdude7]

2:50 not everyone wears gloves dude

[@rockerbuttercup]

Back then humans know robots ? Sad shit

[@technopoptart]

regardless of how you personally conduct yourselves it is at least apparent that gloves do have the potential to help given that at least three people in the first video had wounds(two bandaged one not) and in theory they were trained professionals who knew what they were doing.

[@pnwDatsun]

can you imagine how much they’d make now with the price of lumber?? they were getting paid 2.50$ an hour if they were lucky!

[@12345678bobster]

Yes... and back then the average house cost 7500 dollars. It's called inflation.

[@Creations-Corner]

My papa started in one of these same mills in BC in the 50’s made $4 an hour, that’s roughly $30 an hour starting wage today. As for house price his first house cost $20,000 in the 60’s

[@Sdedalus-m1f]

Boy, that takes me back 50 years to when I operated these machines in the Georgia Pacific plywood mill in Sweethome Oregon. The things you forget...

[@BaitWaitOutdoors]

I did this for two years about 10 years ago. The second have skips from drying to finishing and does not show how it’s assembled. It’s all assembly line and still very manual. Southern pine 🌲 is what was used in the southern United States. We called patching, footballing. Also, what was showcased here was the most ideal state... 303 or high quality. Most of the time you’re running RS and the wood is brittle and broken up. So on the assembly line you are hustling to put a puzzle together to make the “rectangle” before it gets to the press. It’s brutally hot in the summer and frigid in the winter. It’s so loud you spend an entire 12 hour shift in your own thoughts unable to coherently speak to anyone near you and communication is limited to made up sign language that you learned meant “break time”. I got more out of this job than any other... perspective and humility.

[@billradman7168]

What is this track? It's dope I watched the video once (and a half) and then hit replay like 4 times just to jam!

[@whatyousaidbud]

2 First Names darude sandstorm

[@billradman7168]

I reckon I can build that hahaha no.

[@ophello]

You are easily entertained by shitty techno -- must be nice

[@billradman7168]

It doesn't have words, and it's simple. It's quite nice :) Why everybody gotta be overcomplicating shit?

[@bholagill3469]

by

[@MN-lh6oh]

the size of the woods they are milling now is nothing compared to before.

[@charlespanache7047]

Thats what 100 years of old growth timber harvesting does.

[@corners3755]

1:28 the centers of logs now a days is where the money is , Heart wood. Pretty incredible that we can peel a log like its a paper towel roll.

[@majermike]

why is the money in heart wood?

[@corners3755]

@@majermike Because that's where the best grain/color patterns will be. It's also the densest part of the log. It is far less susceptible to fungus and contains much less moisture than sapwood, which means it will shrink less when it dries

[@majermike]

@@corners3755 wow why the f were they throwing them away

[@corners3755]

@@majermike they didn't know any better. Multiple uses for it came out later i assume.

[@pamtnman1515]

Billy, heart wood is the least stable part of a tree. Only a few tree species produce usable heart wood. 99% of the oak, maple etc heart wood produced on our mill goes into pallets. It’s pretty junky.

[@bosmarine]

Look how many people were employed back then! Men and women. Talk about team work💪

[@catebrooks6779]

Awesome! Thanks. I searched for and found this video thanks to a convo with my uncle... it'll be so fun to discuss!

[@junkdeal]

Modern way ain't no fun. No risk of death or at least serious injury. I love the Amish sawmills!!!

[@traderinthetrees1785]

The 1700 people that disliked this video don’t respect wood.

[@KonradLasocki]

No, they don’t respect unsustainably clear cutting ancient forests that are essential to biodiversity and slowing climate change

[@keithlibner9259]

Neither did my ex-wife.

[@civilization57]

@@KonradLasocki Oregonian here. We banned most lumber harvesting here. Now our forests are overgrown, over crowded and dying. One lightening strike now causes catastrophic fires. Half of our local forest is now charred cinders. Clearcutting and replanting is the smart way to manage forests. (BTW, I own and live in a 200+ acre forest.)

[@johnmyers5248]

What is the name of the track??? I love it!!!

[@jdubdoubleu]

Your mom

[@jettsart151]

Dude this music is on point. Plywood used to be so cool.

[@toasty5605]

the sawmill i worked at a few years ago was rather antiquated, and so it stretched over a river (it was powered by water back in the day) and the chain running the logs from the lumber storage to the saw ran across the river, it happened that logs fell of that chain and we had to fish them out of the river. Let me tell you right now, that's some of the hardest work i have done in my life, pushing a 2 tonn log in running water with a sturdy stick is a serious recipe for back pain. I can't imagine the guys who rafted lumber back in the day!

[@paulmoffat9306]

Somewhere along the way, they lost a 1/16" in thickness on a 3/4" sheet. It's called the same, but it isn't. And a 2x4 ISN'T, it is a 1+1/2 by 3+1/2 inches! And still, with all those employee reductions, and thinning of the product, it is still more expensive!

[@vicariouswitness]

I tell everyone this and they look at me like “ that’s just the way it is… “ just to mess with them I ask for a 1”1/2 x 3”1/2 , let’s just call it what it is… but get ready for dumb looks.

[@SlapHappy]

Because back then the wood was rough and uneven. Now its all planed down to make it nice and smooth for the soft gentle hands of the new age

[@charlespanache7047]

@@SlapHappy no. Its simply to sell less of a product at a higher price.

[@colinmurphy2214]

0:56 I thought someone was messing around with my piano

[@Amperzand]

lol I thought I had a notification on one of my millions of open tabs!

[@ElementofKindness]

I bet 3/4 inch plywood of "then", was actually 3/4 inch, unlike the crap they pass off "now."

[@jonlanier_]

No... that is a myth.

[@LRSS2455]

You are correct. Even dimensional lumber has changed sizes. A 2x6 in the 90's was 1 1/2 x 5 1/2. Now it's1 1/2 x 5 1/4. It is frustrating when you work on an old house from the 80's and you have to replace wood. Never mind the really old houses where they used true dimensional lumber.

[@CanIUseYourJohn]

Incorrect use of quotations.... but I see what you are getting at.

[@suburbanhobbyist2752]

Yes, this is true, but if you work with wood often then you know that at least most of the plywood companies are sticking with standard "under" sized stuff. That way you can work with the stuff by knowing how muh under size it is.

[@missmymountain]

The only thing I could focus on as "well"...

[@charliemay9893]

I worked in a pulp mill and used to work the pond and wood room. I fell into the pond once. Lucky to be alive since it wasn't full at the time. All the bark wanted to pull me under.

[@timnew7662]

So the old "all bark and no bite" was still dangerous eh?

[@kenelliott3022]

This tune is a vibe

[@BlissfullyEvil]

It’s sad you can no longer find trees that size anymore, they are few and far between

[@trygveevensen171]

I know right, it's depressing. All you see now is just the reminiscence of what was once large, diverse ecosystems, now swapped out for plantations similar to monocultures. All this in the span of a few hundred years

[@volatile100]

When people were worried about job loss due to automation, looks like they were completely right. There's like 10x more workers in the old factories than the modern ones. No wonder older people think that jobs are easy to get now, they still think there's hundreds of factory positions.

[@yucol5661]

There still are plenty of factories willing to hire anyone. They just pay way less than back then and are more abundant in poorer, manufacturing heavy, countries. But they are definitely available in most areas of the US. It’s just not worth it unless you have a very specific financial situation where it makes sense to get that amount of money for that amount of time and effort

[@bensykes5621]

Wtf?! Freddy Krueger at 51 sec😂

[@texasvice1]

I just had to stop and see. LOL, damn sure looks like him! Good Eyes for detail.

[@atomik7066]

0:51 for proper timestamp

[@BBMoney007]

It's amazing how well dressed and skilled workers were back then

[@Trohawkk]

that single sheet veneer is so cool