Phil Burt reveals how to make indoor cycling better

[@andrewmcalister3462]

After Shimano, it’s good to see Wahoo actively supporting you.

[@alexandrevasconcelos4593]

I have a wahoo Kickr, bought it after a fall from riding in the rain. Two years in bought the wahoo climb and fan. Both have substantially improved my indoor riding experience. Indoor cycling has in turn substantially improved my outdoor performance. The points made about the variation in position are in my view accurate and solid advice. If you are doing indoor cycling a lot and can afford to, invest in making it better and more efficient. Thanks for posting

[@macht4turbo]

I opted for a rocker plate this indoor season. Feels very good, helps keeping you stabilizer muscles working and isn't as dull of a riding experience. Have it on a fairly soft setting, so it allows quite a but of movement. After three sessions I'm already way more stable on it than before, so there is an adaption period with it. Will make it even softer to further promote movement. I do agree that I think bike fits on a static trainer are not the optimal. We do have bikefitters in my city that do outdoor fitting, but that is prohibitively expensive.

[@Mapdec]

I hope this video helped.

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

For several years I've been using a KICKR on a homemade rocker plate (plywood with four tennis balls as suspension). It has made a huge difference for me in terms of feeling more "realistic" riding, standing up, etc. Also I have a Climb on the front which adds to the realism and comfort.

[@omnirocker]

I have been helping riders get better performance and comfort from indoor riding for the past 6 years. Customer testimonials back up the advantages of adding motion. It’s good to hear Phil’s opinions on the subject 👌🏼

[@simiewimie]

Is that the new Wahoo head unit blurred out… then not blurred out later? 😁 13:19

[@Mapdec]

I don’t know what you mean. 🤷‍♂️

[@MrPilberg]

👀

[@jasonhurst2491]

I've just started a bike fitting business in Australia and bought the Kickr Rollr (why do Wahoo hate the letter "e" so much?) As the primary trainer for fitting. I've used a standard Kickr myself for about 8 years, so I appreciate the difference. The Rollr is so easy to use with no drive train compatibility issues. Perhaps the bigger win, though, is that it allows the bike to move around a little so riders look more natural and are more likely to respond as they would outdoors. That's crucial for fitting, and the slight instability may reveal issues you won't see when they are locked into a rigid trainer. Conversely, if they are being fitted for indoor riding then match what they use at home as closely as possible. As Phil said, the lack of movement can cause niggles that don't appear outdoors or highlight compensations that have developed to cope with a static position.

[@wille769]

Timely content for me. I've gotten back into cycling recently and just moved indoors to a Zwift Ride- and I've already had to make major adjustments from the default settings (T for me, I'm 6' 3"). Have not been comfortable at all, trying to dial it in- the default settings were just way aggressive for me, leaning really far forward, and some saddle pressure/ soreness as well. No problems at all with my gravel bike.

[@dusty_hoods]

Great video! Waiting for part two. I use this period of indoor sessions to train my position - keep aero position longer. And to train pedaling technique - both and one legs at deferent cadence and power. I can feel it better in isolated environment.

[@Si_B_Cumbria]

Found this super interesting great to see Phil on your channel (despite the audio bit). The Kickr I bought off you years ago is still going strong, on a rocker plate with my TT bike on it and love the convenience of having it set up in the garage. Great to get some targeted training in a lunch hour 👌🏻

[@Mapdec]

thanks Si

[@cityslacker6221]

Your audio issue is not a room reverb issue, it’s a gain staging issue. There is distortion on the mics. Do a quick reading on gain staging.

[@Mapdec]

Thank you. Phil’s defo peaked and cut out. Audio is so freaking hard.

[@dusty_hoods]

It's either noise reduction overdose or audio compressed too hard.

[@wgthn5103]

Ok so basically a wahoo advert with no actual advice

[@Mapdec]

I wouldn’t all it an advert, and there is great knowladge in here. Just replace the wahoo bit with any brand and you’ll be content.

[@wgthn5103]

@ would be nice to see other products shown, notably there are no rocker plates which do the most for indoor riding comfort far beyond any of these moving trainers

[@Mapdec]

@ sure. But then we wouldn’t have met Phil and hear him discuss his research. You might see this in a follow up.

[@DDai-qd8uk]

What is knowladge?

[@Mapdec]

@ Epistemology

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

Can somebody explain why the height of the Kickr Core is 1cm lower than what the corresponding rear wheel would be? Makes it really difficult to use my core for adjusting my position

[@andrewmcalister3462]

@@askmeaboutmattweiner The central measuring point for bike fit should be the bottom bracket, not the ground or wheel axles.

[@askmeaboutmattweiner]

@andrewmcalister3462 yes but bike should also be level

[@jasonhurst2491]

What size tyre do you have on the front wheel? I expect the axle height of the Core was designed in the days when 25mm tyres were considered huge. So there might be some height difference in that. A bit of MDF or plywood board under the Core will sort it.

[@chrismadge7292]

Indoor cycling, and racing on apps like Zwift, MyWhoosh etc, favour a different pedaling style, particularly at higher powers. For example sprinting in a bigger gear standing upright out of the saddle. Quite different to a sprint outside on the road. Inevitably position is going to play a part.

[@n22pdf]

A great vid guys.. what are your thoughts on rocker plates or is kickr move a better option ? .. Pete 🚴🏻👍

[@Mapdec]

It’s not something I have personally ever felt I needed, but if you have an existing trainer they are cheaper than a new trainer. They take up a lot of space though.

[@jackiegammon2065]

Bike fitting certainly does help, but there are so many facts that cyclists themselves can become aware of as well. Some do not ride the same "outdoor" bike on a trainer/rollers, so that's a huge piece as well. But again, there a huge amount of other issues as well...

[@BaldBloke]

You can add.more.realism by putting your trainer ... in the middle of the road outside the front of your house. 😅👌

[@jasonhurst2491]

@mapdec have you tried the SQlab Active saddles on any of your indoor trainer bikes? I have some on my long list of saddles to test so that I can give clients first-hand feedback. I'd be interested in your opinion if you get a chance to try one. The movement permitted by the elastomer under the saddle may be useful on an otherwise static trainer. Probably cheaper and certainly more convenient than a lot of other contraptions designed to provide varying degrees of movement.

[@benstewart9014]

Yep I’m a micro adjuster with a indoor and outdoor position.

[@mattswain552]

This is really interesting. I had a second bike fit recently and was called "Mr Elastic" as I had a large window of adjustment with saddle height and reach, however when I'm on my indoor trainer (direct drive KickR) I can only go for about 20-30 minutes before I get saddle numbness, yet with that same bike outdoors I can ride for 3 hours without issue. I've tried different heights with my front wheel but no joy, but it sounds as though the roller might be a / the solution.

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

You might try a rocker plate. It encourages me to stand and move my weight around on the bike will could help with the saddle numbness. A DIY rocker plate can be very inexpensive, lots of YT videos on how to make one.

[@Mapdec]

So glad you found this useful.

[@nunu1871]

Thanks!

[@johnnyboy4711]

What software you used for group workouts originally?

[@Mapdec]

PerfPro and Sufferfest.

[@thecyclingsoldier6732]

Is this phill burt AI ?

[@Andy-co6pn]

You can call him Al

[@fleurdelispens]

Yeah all this fitting an indoor trainer stuff is nice, but I just use a peloton bike because my apartment building has one, and it's use is included in my rent 😅. I'll tell you, going from my current bike with a reasonably long and low position plus narrow 165 cranks to that is quite an adjustment. I'm pedsllingvwith my lower legs figurativley bent 45° inward.

[@COYSMike]

Kinda want to get a Kickr Climb now...thanks Paul!!!!

[@Mapdec]

I would go and try one. They are not to everyone’s liking.

[@grahambowes756]

I’ve got one. I love it. Helps engage the muscle groups more as you would on a climb and very immersive, when doing the big mountain climbs on ROUVY.

[@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well]

great work!

[@0-60.tests.with.Passengers]

This is just an 18:11 advert

[@phil_d]

No, it's Sponsored. So, yes it highlights only Wahoo products but you can ignore that if you want and buy whatever equipment you like. I'm here to listen to Phil, who undeniable, has a wealth of experience. Or, you could just moan and never push outside your narrow thinking. Do you go to work for free?

[@531c]

Even if its sponsered so what! Paul gives of himself, has experienced, knowledgable guests on his 'show'. As upthread, listen and learn.

[@wgthn5103]

Yeh not much advice here just disguised as an advert with a click bait title

[@draugmithrin]

My Surly Long Haul Trucker and KK Road Machine works for me.

[@FliskerX]

10:10 there might as well be a big Garmin logo, instead of the blur :D

[@Mapdec]

Haha. All will become clear.

[@DanTuber]

The only indoor riding i've done was on a fixed spin bike. Very boring after 30 mins. I sold it after a few years. Looking at these different trainers it's hard to invest in one knowing i may not enjoy it.

[@Mapdec]

It’s defo not for everyone. I’m amazed that some folk only ever ride indoors.

[@vo2maximus177]

Paul, that's not room acoustic, that's some kind of digital gremlin which appears to be adding a slight delay, and even possibly some pitch change to Phil Burt's voice. I'm not an expert in digital audio but I am a retired sound engineer. That's definitely dirty digital sound.

[@Mapdec]

Audio is so hard sometimes. Much respect for your profession. The audio on here has been run though an Ai editor to clean it up, but it also removes some sounds.

[@vo2maximus177]

I spent my whole career trying to convince people good sound was hard but I was never appreciated, a bit like being a good bike mechanic! 😂 From what you've said it sounds like your AI editing software then. You'd be better off having some room acoustic on your audio rather than horrible digital artefacts which reduce intelligibility to be honest. The best way to clean up your audio of room acoustic is to properly mix your two personal mics, so for the person who isn't talking fade down their mic a little and you'll hear the acoustic go down with it. Of course be careful not to clip the next words of the person not currently talking. Essentially do a smooth crossfade in-between when two protagonists are talking. Perhaps your easiest way to do that is record the two voices separately by panning them hard left and right, then at your post-edit mix as described above but simultaneously add them together for a mono, completed soundtrack. Loving your videos though! @Mapdec

[@Mapdec]

@ 🥰

[@enigma1000]

So… bike fitting using a fixed static bike gives saddle pressures that are very different from saddle pressures on an actual road bike? Have I just wasted £350 on a bike fit purely because of saddle comfort issues? Oh, and £8,000 on the new bike?

[@Mapdec]

Yes, possibly, unlikely. Saddles can be fairly isolated from the actual bike. A £350 bike fit should probably have covered some pressure mapping etc.

[@philr696]

Far out . Some people really over complicate things. Ive got a 20 year old minoura mag trainer some headphones and some intervals written down so i can bury myself. Done.

[@Mapdec]

Old skool rocky balboa turbo training. Love it.

[@KNURKonesur]

Best way to make indoor cycling better is to take it outdoor! :D

[@jamesspokes1372]

Infomercial

[@Mapdec]

Fair. But it also presents the opportunity for part 2, our own questions and builds a valuable relationship for future

[@andreemurray7039]

Hate indoor training !!!!

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Some of us have absolutely no choice. Health issues, time of day, lack of available roads/unsafe roads. You have to find the training situation that works for you. Paul mentioned the Garmin Tacx and quite a bit of indoor kit.

[@mclogged2280]

Hate fat people talk about fitness and sports, AKA Phil.

[@leewild8494]

Disappointing. Not the usual Mapdec content (which is excellent). This is just a Wahoo advert with very annoying sound quality.

[@Mapdec]

It was an opportunity for our team to meet Phil and discuss something we both find interesting. Wahoo facilitated that meeting. I’m as gutted as you about the audio.

[@mitchhorton9178]

@@MapdecAudio is not that bad to turn anybody off the video. Good job with your guest.

[@leewild8494]

@@Mapdec keep up the good work. You have the best content on utube. 👍

[@johnwestwell2241]

Most people will be able to substitute another brand of trainer for the Wahoo ones featured. Obviously you don't have the mental flexibility to do that.