Mapping the Enterprise's Route in TOS Season 1

[@netgnostic1627]

Nice job! About stardates, I remember reading that Gene Roddenberry forsaw questions about the chronological order of the episodes, so he told people that the episodes are definitely not necessarily in order of time. He told people that stardates have a spatial aspect to them, because space and time are not independent from each other, according to Einstein. Therefore, events may not occur in numerical order according to the stardate, if the Enterprise has traveled some distance. He later admitted he was BSing, and just wanted to baffle the smartasses, and to generally make people more curious about science.

[@beezelbuzzel]

Jeeze. Imagine zigzagging across town like that to do all your shopping. Great job with the map. The effort is appreciated!

[@exc911ence_channel]

It's not like Kirk was paying for the gas. 🖖😉

[@LogicalNiko]

Kirk's exploration was basically how old roombas would explore your living room. Go till you find something that makes you stop, then turn around somewhere between 135-225 degrees and repeat.

[@exc911ence_channel]

@@LogicalNiko Sometimes chasing alien skirt doesn't result in a straight path. 😘

[@LogicalNiko]

@@exc911ence_channel makes sense. Kirk shows up, over stays his welcome, figures out he has to run as fast and far as he can in the other direction.

[@gowensbach2998]

Funny! I have had days like that, but not light years like that!

[@TheRomulanWar]

Great deep dive! Can't wait for the video on Rigel

[@JacobyJ56]

This is the kind of content I love to see on KZbin.

[@mattcorley4622]

Thanks!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much Matt!!!

[@IN-tm8mw]

You must have SUPER POWERS, i was just talking about this subject with my brother yesterday about mapping the flight paths of each hero ship after we were talking about our reviews on STP Season 3.

[@corwinberry]

Dude thank you for all your lore dives. Never ever lose the network gag. Please.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Fab project. I'm impressed that most of the locations even exist on maps!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks Matt!

[@The_Prophet...]

Its called sci-fi for a reason especially look at the part that says fiction 😳

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

@@The_Prophet... Wouldn't actual, existing locations fall under the category of "science" though?

[@brandonlink6568]

I never thought about them using the Z axis to get to the galactic barrier, that makes a lot more sense than the decade long journey needed to get there by traveling along the galactic plane, now we just need to explain how they got the the center of the galaxy in less than 30 years. At 4:15 the three lovelies aren't androids, those come later in I, Mudd.

[@baraka99]

We all appreciate your hard work researching for this video.

[@QalOrt]

This is very interesting, glad you mapped it out. I would like to see a video on the Rigel System

[@RyuuKageDesu]

A fascinating topic. I wouldn't mind this map showing all of the original series and Next Generation.

[@edwardbloecher4563]

My God the work and attention to detail here is very impressive!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Edward!

[@edwardbloecher4563]

@@OrangeRiver Anytime Brother! Looking forward to the next one!

[@christopherstephenjenksbsg4944]

Wow! Well done! Truth be told, you obviously put a lot more thought into this than the original writers, who were pretty much just making it up as they went along. It's amazing you were able to work out a coherent map of the Enterprise's travel. For what it's worth, I watched the original series when it was first broadcast, as I was already really taken with science fiction. "The Man Trap" was the first episode broadcast, and that salt vampire scared the crap out of me! It was *so* much better than "Lost in Space."

[@raygaetjens3291]

Nice job! Maybe you could create a gif of the Enterprise moving on your map. That would give people a better idea of their voyage.

[@DrewLSsix]

This particular critique dates all the way back to the original airing of the show, but it does have the benefit of the nature and speeds of warp drive being unclear, through the TOS films its shown that they can basically access any point of the galaxy at the speed of plot. This isn't really a problem, they could have stuck with the idea that you could cross the galaxy in hours or days and still had plenty of meat to tell stories. After all, a fleet of a million ships each visiting a planet a day couldn't explore the galaxy in a single lifetime. My issue came with TNG and the advent of the official warp scale. Where the D is supposed to be thousands of lightyears away on the frontier but still makes it back to earth roughly once a season. Farpoint in the forst episode is supposed to be on the edge of known space, and the star it apparently orbits is around 2500-3000 lightyears away from earth, since they locked in the warp scale and gave the new ship hard limits this means their first mission should have been years away from earth.

[@tsm688]

@@DrewLSsix wasn't that all worked out in the writer's guide? whether they obeyed it or not, I think they had warp factors worked out...

[@3DPDK]

I was thirteen when Star Trek first aired. I had already devoured Caves of Steel and the I Robot series (first sci-fi book I ever read) and was reading three to four sci-fi paperbacks a week. I watched Lost in Space, Land Of The Giants, and other more simple minded sci-fi of the time, but was thrilled when Star Trek seemed to be such a "believable future" science fiction series. I too specifically remember having nightmares after the "salt sucker" episode. This was one of the few, if only episodes where the writers relied on the 1950s sci-fi horror creature playbook. Star Trek was and is still good because they put that playbook to rest. ... and yeah, I don't think the writers even considered any of the things this video deals with. Star locations were mostly speculation beyond visually referenced locations from Earth's prospective in the 60s.

[@jimsweeney7339]

I also watched as it was originally broadcast, I was only 10 the first season and we had a B&W tv. Got color tv that year and what a difference it made for me!! good times!

[@baddidoddy]

This is the best dork idea of all time. It’s long duck dork 🏆

[@baddidoddy]

And I can say that…. because 🤓

[@gregcampwriter]

There's a logistics officer in San Francisco looking at that map and screeching over how much fuel is being used Tomorrow's memo: How building more ships and hiring more crews would actually save Star Fleet a lot of money.

[@while.coyote]

Lol, I bet that ngc321 was indeed supposed to be in that distant galaxy because back then they probably just read the cool number in an astronomy magazine, and not one of them could ever possibly imagine decades later there would be crazy people carefully rebuilding the exact star charts of the enterprises' entire voyage. This was awesome and I hope you're doing it for every season in every series.

[@Idran]

Eh, kind of? TOS _did_ pay a guy to make sure they didn't say anything outrageously silly by the standards of the time, though yeah, they didn't always listen to him. :P (One of the more noted misses was how he actually called out a lot of the errors and mishmashes in the portrayal of Native Americans in "The Paradise Syndrome", but they just ignored all his research notes there.) His name was Kellam de Forest; he ended up springboarding off that and starting his own company for script clearance (the general industry term for that kind of shallow fact checking). Used to be called "de Forest Research"; it's still running today, but after he sold the company it renamed itself to "Act One Script Clearance". de Forest himself passed a couple years ago unfortunately. :( (And I'll admit this is mainly an excuse to namedrop him because he was a cool guy that never got any credit for his work on Trek back in the day despite all the work he put into it. :P)

[@davidgifford8112]

NGC New General Catalogue (a 19th century list of non-stellar objects) By definition no star can have an NGC number, however cluster gravitationally bound stars can such as globular and galactic clusters as well galaxies themselves.

[@johnbockelie3899]

Starbase 237, Delta - Vega sector, " The back door of the galaxy."

[@tophergraham6935]

A staggering piece of work. We’ll done.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Topher!

[@Jakob.Hamburg]

Thank you for the video. 💪

[@lilbullet158]

Thanks for your hard work.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you 😎

[@base853]

Well done. Very fun video!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@jimmysmith2249]

You do magnificent work.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Jimmy!

[@sparkus61]

An incredible effort! I have the star Trek maps and used to spend more time than I should have looking at them

[@charonjr1701]

Galactic coordinates/navigation, IIRC, was outlined in The Making of Star Trek and The Star Trek Encyclopedia. 173 mark15 as Navigator Chekov would acknowledge, could give something of the vector the ship was headed on for a 3 dimensional approach in the ship's travels. also, Tomorrow is Yesterday: Enterprise was Not on its way to Earth. The black star threw the ship in that direction. Earth was in the general direction of the ship's destination. I enjoy what you do here. Someday, I hope to patronize your production efforts.

[@MNfarmer82]

Really a neat video. Well done and I can't wait for the next one!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Jed!

[@ginja6582]

Please keep making these for all the shows and seasons. I’ve always wanted to do something like this but felt it would be a lot. I really enjoyed this video.

[@michaeldelarocha8029]

Thank you, I found this very interesting. I’d like to point out a few things: 1. This was represented on a flat two dimensional map. 2. If mapped, three dimensionally, the distances and destinations would make a lot more sense. 3. The difficulty in plotting these three dimensionally would be a huge undertaking. I’m hoping that someone would be able to do that.

[@christianebersold829]

Tyler, you're an outstanding narrator ! I enjoyed your previous shows very much

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Christian!

[@worf7680]

Very interesting video Tyler!

[@jjsheets330]

This is the type of hard hitting geek stuff we need and deserve. You good sir are doing great work.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@jjsheets330]

@@OrangeRiver p.s. Bring that body pillow back for a cameo if she’s still alive

[@OrangeRiver]

😂😂😂

[@markclason2717]

Roddenberry would call out down the hall of the production offices, “Hey! Somebody give me some numbers!” and people would shout out random digits that would turn into stardates in the scripts he was writing or rewriting. Later, he explained that the stardates were adjusted to reflect the time-space effect of the planetary system the ship was currently cruising. I guess Starfleet Command / Memory Alpha had a system of reckoning these apparent discrepancies. Roddenberry even made up a mathematical formula out of random symbols in a reply to a fan’s letter inquiring about their method of determining stardates. He sold keychains with that formula through their Lincoln Enterprises mail order store. I bought one when I was a kid. I still have it!

[@eddieblanco230]

Incredible work looking forward to the next part. I've often wondered about this and spent time looking at some of these maps out of curiosity.

[@timetraveler2518]

We love your superb info on the map and space navigation of the USS Enterprise voyage to its destination. We want to see more for next TOS seasons 2 and 3 for the space navigational map. I will have to build a small spacecraft in my garage, explore in space, and follow your navigational map to reach the destination of Guardian of Forever to escape into somewhere of time and place. 👍😄👍

[@carterh8431]

I think a video on the Rigel systems would be great.

[@TheRealCobraBurnout]

Excellent work. Thank you

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

I made a video about a partial explination on why Stardates are out of order, but I started the video on giving some good reasons to go with Production order. I once made a list of ever place the enterprise traveled to in Production order. In that list I also noted all other planets they mention. That list ended up having over 180 planets on it.

[@shawnleeguku]

Reminds me of Zapp Brannigam'a route through the comets and into a black hole

[@imopn]

O this is awesome. Woudl love to see all of star trek mapped out and also show corellation between events

[@singletona082]

Sure hit me with the rigel videos tyler. Also thank you for mapping Kirk's trek.

[@Nitero_]

Really awesome video! I am really appreciating the different approaches on videos lately, well done.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Nitero!

[@Nitero_]

@@OrangeRiver have you ever looked @ the new horizons mod for stellaris? I find that take on the star trek map to clearly not be based directly on canon, but gives some insights into what the overall picture of things and tries its best to be close to whatever is considered canon these days.

[@OrangeRiver]

Lots of people have mentioned that but I haven't gotten around to it. I did, about four or five years ago, attempt to create a 3D star map of local space (I even have a video of it way back in my catalog). But I've never figured out how to share it online lol

[@DanielSolis]

WOW, you really could make this a whole panel event at a Trek convention.

[@vivien9579]

i love the idea behind this!

[@davidmorton8332]

Very good.

[@ivane5110]

Very cool. I had thought that there was some criss-crossing but had no idea how much terratory that they'd backtracked over and how often. Looking forward to the rest of the seasons' routes being done. Hopefully even TAS, since as kids when it came out we consididered the next season of the show.

[@puffy_tv]

After watching 3 videos in the last week I think it’s time to subscribe

[@johndaley6149]

Man this journey is mind blowing. I still have some of the original maps. But as all things they need updates 🖖

[@short72hp1]

darn man this vid earns you trek geek cred for life😄💯👍

[@AlexMoffat-gh5lq]

Hell f'n yeah. Dude, please more of these episodes when you can fit them in. I just linked my own dad to your channel finally because this vid is so legit even he can't ignore it (he's a boomer, he needs help with YT). Always a fan, keep it up please!

[@OrangeRiver]

Haha thanks Alex!

[@joshuaunderwood7]

I can’t believe I’ve never thought about Star Trek’s universe map before.

[@JamesMC04]

That was well worth watching. Thank you.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@megacide84]

Wouldn't it be something if Kirk's Enterprise passed through what used to be the Delphic Expanse? Partially following Captain Archer's path during the Xindi Crisis. Flying by locations such as Calindra, remnants of old Xindi homeworld, and Azati Prime.

[@OrangeRiver]

They likely did quite a bit! And in Strange New Worlds Una is of course Illyrian, a former Delphic Expanse species

[@Kenabukanyo]

​@@OrangeRiver Dude... That's fascinating. I can't believe I quoted Spock out of thin air. :))

[@Idran]

tbf, given how big they described the Delphic Expanse in Enterprise, it probably covered basically everything to the "west" of Sol that you can see in this video's map segment starting just a couple hundred light years away, including Bajor, Cardassia, and Ferenginar the Delphic Expanse was _huge_

[@eddieschwab864]

Didn't the delphic expanse collapse in on itself and reintegrate into normal space after the Xindi conflict as well as putting the sphere builders in their place

[@Idran]

@eddieschwab864 the region itself didn't collapse in on itself, but the spheres that were distorting physics within it all imploded and it reverted to normal space; all the stars and planets within it didn't cease to exist or anything, all that happened was it stopped being weird

[@darrensmith6999]

Great Work Sir Thank You (:

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Darren!

[@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765]

bind moggling piece of work!

[@donaldlabriola4441]

You earned your keep on this episode. Nice work!

[@luminaire4946]

Kirk certainly gets around, Bow Chica wow wow, know what I mean, say no more, say no more.

[@leejtam0914]

wow this is insanely well done

[@OrangeRiver]

Haha, thanks Lee! I'm glad you like it

[@wyzemann]

You got my juices overflowing. Thank You. I foresee this series moving beyond TOS and possibly expanding into the animated series and then some😁. I'd love to see your take on Enterprise’s journey under Capt. Archer🙏🏾, of course, after you're done taking rest from ALL the other TOS seasons😛.

[@parts7839]

I love maps and I love Star Trek 👍

[@simonacerton3478]

This was pretty amazing. Very well done.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Simon!

[@mtlanglo1]

great job!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks Jeff!

[@knightspearhead5718]

I hope you continue this into all the shows to show us the progression of ufp borders

[@infoscholar5221]

Great job, thanks for all of your hard work!

[@davelightman]

Very good! Thoroughly enjoyed it. Reminded me of many classic episodes I need to see again soon. Thank you!

[@BlameThande]

Very cool idea for a video! Interestingly someone pointed out to Roddenberry during the scripting of "The Cage" that Rigel was too far away and suggested Vega instead, but it didn't make it into the script.

[@arocklobsta57]

Another great video. Thanks man!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you Cody!

[@ClintSprayberry]

That was incredible dude!!! NOBODY out works you at this my dude!! You (and your team) are AWESOME!!!!!!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks Clint!!!

[@jimmcclements5229]

Don't forget about the planet next to Delta Vega, Garcia Vega! That's where they make cigars.

[@user-yv4mm6bx3c]

I've thought about doing something like this for years, since I have a lot of the maps you referenced. I just never could find the time. Thanks for putting this video together. I'm looking forward to seeing the series continue.

[@tucker8594]

Great video...can wait for s2!

[@Aragorn7884]

same video idea...but *VOYAGER* 🤔👍😍

[@Aragorn7884]

@@subraxas a video is more entertaining bruh

[@jwurnig]

Sign me up for a Rigel video. Definitely one of the most cosmopolitan systems in the canon.

[@mrtrek2117]

The moment I see or hear anything from the original series I'm instantly transported to another world of wonder!

[@mattcorley4622]

This is fucking great! I love this!

[@edwardbloecher4563]

Good stuff Brother!

[@johnburns9634]

Liked, and I shared it with a number of people whom I'm sure will like this video.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you John!

[@bac-up6758]

holy smokes! I'm writing this before actually seeing this video. but kudos to you sir!! this idea sounds crazy! and maybe that's why i think this is totally brilliant! awesome sir!!

[@glasswhisperer]

Awesome series! I've been looking for something like this for ages ❤️

[@praytells]

5:24 i'd really like a video on the rigel systems in star trek actually ! i wanna hear your thoughts

[@sonnieslim5973]

Loved this. Great job

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@sonnieslim5973]

@@OrangeRiver I found this channel with your season 2 TNG video and have gone on a bit of a binge the last few days haha. Thank you. Very entertaining

[@bestoftrekworstoftrek]

I dig this a lot! Great research!

[@Elykar]

Excited to see the complete trek of TOS. Hopefully you can go on to do TNG although some episodes would go haywire, like when the Traveler got involved.

[@detectivewiggles]

i'd definitely watch a video on the Rigel drama

[@Steampunk_Star_Raisin]

Awesome work! Keep up the good work...

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@Marc83Aus]

I'm actually surprised how close to earth most of those early episodes were, they could have just picked any random interesting sounding star or constellation and set their episode there without even considering distance or travel time, but it really does seem Gene Roddenberry made an effort to set the show within a reasonable distance of earth. Not counting outliers, mistakes etc.

[@grimreaper6557]

Absolutely awesome job plotting all those courses I can only imagine what season 2 will be like😊😊😊😊

[@rohanthomas4134]

Great work, I definitely look forward to the following seasons of TOS getting this treatment. After it’s all done, perhaps you could make a video of looking into the implications of the speed at which the enterprise gets to certain locations. Maybe do some general math into determining how fast warp is exactly. Either way, great content as always.

[@7XDDM]

I tried to do this myself and it was frustrating! Thank you for doing this. You are making in my opinion the best Star Trek content on KZbin right now. Keep up the good work!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much!

[@TONYGILLEY]

If you cover Kirk's Five-Year Mission, are you going to cover the animated series? Another thing to consider with Kirk's travels is how far did his adventures go during the movie era. We saw Earth more times in six films than we did in Star Trek's 3yr run and those three times we do see Earth was due to time travel shenanigans.

[@OrangeRiver]

TAS will be in a separate video probably :D

[@everettsager4654]

@@OrangeRiver Lopking forward to that!

[@jedidiahhenry6020]

Awesome video idea Tyler! I'm really looking forward to the next installment. I would absolutely watch you do a version of this for other trek shows too. Thank you again for all the great content. Grow old and get rich! (Current version of live long and prosper)

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks Jedidiah!

[@insertcreativenamehere7584]

this was a really good video! i’d love to see this series continue, maybe even into TNG if you want to

[@Supernautiloid]

4:07 Correction: The three women in "Mudd's Women" were not androids. I think you're confusing that episode with "I, Mudd" which did feature androids.

[@OrangeRiver]

I think I did lol

[@BTScriviner]

I noticed that anomaly too, but it didn't detract from the awesomeness of the video. 👍

[@KronosGodwisen]

Yeah. Obtain dilithium crystals to repair androids Mudd plans to deliver to some planet. There's so much wrong with that I thought it must be from Nu Trek.

[@davidrunning5178]

Looking forward to season two

[@jsnwlbrn98]

Great video!!!

[@B.C.5230]

Could you imagine a 5 year deep space mission that leaves you policing your known region?

[@pauldueffert2749]

Amazing how many episodes they could pump out in a single year. I miss those days.

[@OrangeRiver]

As someone who's worked in the film & TV industry, while waiting multiple years between short seasons these days can be annoying as a viewer, I can tell you that 26+ episodes per season would have been a labor nightmare XD

[@RichtorLazlo]

Bravo 👏 this is an honorable undertaking, would love to see this continue for others and overlap, so put in to perspective The whole of the Star Trek galaxy, also make posters with all routes and locations, I would buy one. 🖖

[@williambell3304]

I want a full map of all the big ships colour-coded, I want to see a huge line going right off the map as Barclay takes the D out of the known universe, lol

[@Francois424]

That was an awesome video. Thanks !

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@MrBrukmann]

Watched you for a week now, excellent work across the board. I would be highly interested in any content covering spatial-temporal relationships for ST; but now that i think of it, really any sci-fi universe you want to cover. I think how i found you was the 'was Enterprise S1 as bad as you remember' video. I would love any season recap video you do for any ST series.

[@LeChaunce]

Years ago I worked up a mission-less total conversion for the game Escape Velocity Nova and I used Geoffrey Mandell's Star Trek Star Charts book as the basis for my map and extrapolated Kirk's voyages similarly to your map, using production order for the route taken. I also did the same with the TNG and DS9 star systems since I wanted it to be as reasonably accurate to canon as I could.