Mar Thoma Syrian Church Welcome Song

Arkunnengal ucha swarathil neenal vazhuka mar thoma prapikatte bhavukangal
Mar Thoma Syrian Church Bishop's Welcome Hymn

[@rijomathewtharakan7265]

As a marthomite I am proud of my malankara marthoma Syriac church

[@abrahamisac3455]

Poor people, they claim s that they r sitting in the throne of Thomas and patrose.

[@thesyrianvoice6986]

@@abrahamisac3455 😂😂

[@alphonsebenny8650]

Yes we are @Abraham Isac....

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

Yes, but you're not a "Syriac" Church. Your clergy and congregation don't know Syriac as it is not mandatory in your seminaries like it is for the Syriac Orthodox (Jacobite) Church.

[@alphonsebenny8650]

@@antiochsuryoyo5118 Who are you to decide if ours is a Syriac Church or not? And who told you this that our Clergy are not well versed in Syriac?? Many of them are well-versed in Syriac.

[@theofficialtraveler_]

I am a Marthomite. I think because of that I really liked this song

[@soundcheck2k7]

But this song is not from the marthoma church.

[@shinejacob2002]

All Glory and honour belongs to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.... And Our only Father who is in heaven

[@JacobKuriankharghar]

truly devotional

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

Of course! Who else does it belong too? LOL

[@jance777binoysamuel8]

Shine Jacob 👍

[@ponnammathomas2886]

I am proud to be Marthomite God bless our Bishops

[@tanasegabriel8257]

God bless my Orthodox brothers and sisters from India.. Gabriel from România !

[@aaronc235]

Fiul Moldovei they actually aren’t Orthodox. The only Orthodox Chruches in India is the Malankara Orthodox and the Jacobite Orthodox. The Marthoma Church is reformed and adapted Anglican Practices.

[@alphonsebenny8650]

@Aaron C ....we dont require your certificate to be called as an Oriental Orthodox Church with rich Malankara Syrian Traditions... Firstly go and learn the meaning of Orthodoxy. Merry Christmas..

[@aaronc235]

Merlin Benny Orthodoxy means True Faith. To be Orthodox you have to keep the Tradition of the Church. The Marthomas are reformed, meaning they fail to keep the traditions. Y’all reject MAJOR Orthodox Beliefs. I also have never heard any Marthoma claim to be Orthodox.

[@alphonsebenny8650]

@@aaronc235 Who are you to decide if we are Orthodox or not?? Can you even give me a single Criteria of an Orthodox Church???

[@aaronc235]

Merlin Benny Well the Orthodox Church is the apostolic Church meaning our bishops are successors of Christ’s apostles. St. Thomas appointed the Pakalomattom family, that archdeacon was elevated to bishop (Marthoma 1).He passed down the successorship to our Bava. There is no other successor of St. Thomas in India.

[@bennyandrews368]

salute you brothers of martoma church,you are a role model of all of our st.thomas christians traditions.(syroMalabar catholic,syro malankara catholic,indian orthodox syrian,Jacobite syrian,Chaldean syrian,Thozhiyur syrians& Marthomite syrians.).pls don't forget kannaya brothers from kannaya catholic & Jacobbites.bcz they the rights we are following syroMalabar(kaldayaa suriyani )& Antiochian traditionNow we call malankara tradition introduced by our kannaya brothers.

[@Tinupsaju]

" RESPECT AND LOVE OUR BELOVED BISHOPS FOR THE LIFE THEY DEDICATED FOR THEIR PEOPLE TO WHOM THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE " HAIL JESUS.....HAIL MAR THOMA.....

[@alphonsebenny8650]

Ninaal Vazhuka Mar Thoma❤❤❤❤

[@tanasegabriel830]

God bless brothers orthodox.. from Romania

[@cyriljacob7752]

tanase gabriel Lots of Love from India for our Romanian Orthodox brothers and sisters. Infact this music has similarities with Romanian National Anthem.

[@jijuninan12]

Cyril Jacob Hymn used by Marthoma church, reformed orthodox church in Kerala, India

[@soundcheck2k7]

It is "reformed", but not Orthodox. The councils have repeatedly made changes to administration, Qurbana and even some clergy accepted doctrines from other denominations. You cannot use the term Orthodox

[@jijuninan12]

soundcheck2k7 Marthoma church left out prayers to Mary, saints and dead during reformation...also uses traditional music than syriac hymns...

[@job7170]

they are Protestants

[@bijuabraham8436]

Oru marthomakarnyathil abimanikkunnu enntee yesuvinu thanks

[@terrytzaneros8007]

Bharat is hallowed by the blood of MarThoma. Jai Jesu Jagat-Guru Who is glorified in His saints!

[@adipolimacha]

The malankara Sabha is rooted from Syriac upbringing. Therefore no one has the right within malankara church to claim a suriyani song is theirs. In fact it comes from Syriac Orthodox Church. And prior to divisions in the malankara Sabha we were all under the umbrella called St Thomas Christians. No church denies that st Thomas is the apostle who brought the faith to us.. Differences exist in the way of worship..I'm a marthomite and I'm proud of the reformation and my faith and practice. But at the same time I thank God for the orthodox and Jacobite churches who still follow a more orthodox way of worship so that some things can be learnt from them I.e suriyani songs, tones of chant etc. I think it's high time that we respect the differences in practices but unite together in our faith in Christ.

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

I agree with you, as we all are brothers and sisters in Christ. However, flirting with denominations that are liberal in teachings (Anglicans) can pose a dangerous threat to the faith & teachings. I don't agree with the reformation doctrine, however, I stand with you in regards to unity in Christ, but at the same time, it should be exercised in spirit and in truth, not based on world politics under the guise of things like "feminism" and "equality", just keep that in mind.

[@johnputhumana]

Well said Ashwin! I am Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Christian! Your thoughts very inspiring! Pushing backward all the negatives and bad things happened centuries ago i wish our churches should unite as one! Amen Barekmor!

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

John Thomas Yes I agree we should unite as One for we are ONE in Christ, however, certain teachings cannot be accepted. In the Anglican Communion (which Marthoma is part of), they have female "priesthood" and gay & lesbian clergy, very liberal in their teachings. Christ was not of this world and neither are we, so the Church should not accept worldly (liberal) teachings such as these! Marthoma Church does not have female priesthood, but a lot of people are supporting this. We must remain Orthodox in our faith, uncompromising to worldy beliefs and ideologies. I pray Marthoma Church will reunite to the Syriac Orthodox faith.

[@issac19953]

+John Thomas ya ..I am an Orthodox Christian... let's hope that churches will unite in future

[@jijuninan2296]

Marthoma is a reformed syriac church and has no issues like orthodox and jacobite factions have between each other.

[@V1vv1980]

This will help the new generation in Mar Thoma church about the tradition they share with Syriac churches and the beautiful hymns they have or had..Its easy to throw away our traditions, but after generations its difficult to get it back for future generations. So in that mean, I feel Mar Thoma church still tries to preserve the beauty of Old hymns, rather than abandon them and searching for new ways..

[@soundcheck2k7]

Only Orthodoxy preserves tradition. "Reformation" and "democracy" removes tradition.

[@shibikurian8325]

My favourite song

[@user-bb7ru9ro5n]

Jai Marthoma! proud to be a Marthomite

[@soundcheck2k7]

This is not a marthoma song, they are trying to take from jacobites

[@Meghz1997]

@@soundcheck2k7 case kodukkanam pillecha🤣

[@soundcheck2k7]

@@Meghz1997 Shariyaa, njaan Gregorios Mar Stephanos consult cheyaam, ethaa vazhi...

[@Meghz1997]

@@soundcheck2k7 pettennu avatte😄😄

[@27snehawamankadamxh27]

❤️Love from Maharashtra ❤️ Marathi Hindu girl ❤️

[@joiceabrahamjohns2212]

every sabha's goal is to praise lord. so so, u dont have to fight about this.peace bro

[@ShinyMol-b8r]

My.loveing.father❤josephe.marthoma.therumeni.by.shynl.kunnathoor

[@anchanjake9704]

The throne is still at Poolatheen, please make a visit and analyze the authenticity. The same throne used to elevate Marthoma first to the 21st.

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

How can we prove that is the original throne? If I make a similar one out of wood, I can also claim the same thing?

[@bibinbabu5290]

@@antiochsuryoyo5118 pazhaya seminariyil ninnu valicherinjath anu aaa throne.

[@bibinbabu5290]

@@antiochsuryoyo5118 angane kalla. Rekhakalum thrones um undakkenda gathikedu Marthoma Syrian church nu illa .

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

@@bibinbabu5290 Enikkariyaam, Englandila throne medichathu...illedaa

[@bibinbabu5290]

@@antiochsuryoyo5118 iddeham parayunnath ennathennu iddehathinu thanne areela daivame iddehathodu shamikkename.

[@jancymanoj8514]

Good song.. Proud to be marthomite

[@anandba9210]

Beautiful welcome song........

[@HolyQurbono]

We didn't change our faith and protestantize like you Marthomas. So we left the Syriac/Malankara lawsuit game - we still love both Syriac and Malankara Orthodox, as our Catholicos and Pope have repeated numerous times. We pray for full unity for our Apostolic Churches. Marthomas on the other hand retain a false version of our common Qurbono but teach evangelical doctrine - corrupting and perverting the Faith, as Mor Paulos Sleeho warned against!

[@ligimanoj759]

Ante jeevanan ente marthoma sabha

[@ksmathew6494]

Please don't ever forget Jesus 's throne was a rugged cross (not golden) .

[@SajuThomasThumpamon]

Good that at least the original tune is maintained and not distorted. There are so many other original things still to be adopted and made use of. Go ahead and realize the TRUTH.

[@shibinmathew8441]

outstanding..proud to be a marthomite

[@HolyQurbono]

I am approaching with Love. Is it loving to smile and nod knowing you know their religion is lacking essential teaching? St. Paul's teaching is clear, all our Churches sing or chant that command before reading his letters. Is he without Love because he was very clear between right and wrong?

[@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox]

The question is not if the Marthoma Church was started in 1876 or the Malankara Orthodox Church established a Catholicate in 1912. The real question is that of the faith. We are in Malankara (India) Christians holding on to the Oriental Orthodox faith. In 1876, the faith was altered or reformed under the influence of protestant missionaries. If the Marthoma Church can shed all traits of protestant influence and return to its true Syriac Orthodox heritage, it will be a huge step.

[@HolyQurbono]

Your canon for increasing is unique in that, again, no other Church does that, including NO other West Syriac Church Tradition. Keep pouring,

[@jinu870]

Another beautiful song of Malankara Marthoma Christians ( St. Thomas Christians ) ...

[@HolyQurbono]

I saw that book - it will never be used. They have a protestant evangelical faction that will split the church before acknowledging the Mother of God!

[@noelshajuktm]

SYRIAC TOUCH REALISING ONENESS OF ALL DENOMINATIONS.ALL ONE IN JESUS CHRIST.GOOD LUCK.Dr.C.K.Shaju.

[@josephgeorge9589]

I liked a lot prais the lord 🙏

[@HolyQurbono]

The first English translation of the entire Morning and Evening Prayer was an English Catholic priest who moved to India and learned Malayalam and Syriac - Rev. Fr. Bede Griffiths. The Syriac and Malankara Orthodox use his translation, along with the Malankara Syrian Catholics to this day.

[@rijomathewtharakan7265]

Wonderful dedication of DSMC

[@HolyQurbono]

We love our Latin brothers and sisters, our Syro-Malabar brothers and sisters, our Ukrainian brothers and sisters, etc.. our Church is One, Holy, Catholic (complete, universal) and Apostolic. We practice our faith as our Orthodox brothers and sisters in the Syriac and Malankara Orthodox Churches, as our holy fathers taught us. We are not Latin because we were not handed the Latin faith and traditions. Can you say your church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic?

[@HolyQurbono]

In personal prayer and prayer meetings,Catholics can pray in any style they want:they can shout like a Baptist,scream like a Pentecostal,raise hands like a non-denominational and hum like an Orthodox;the key is to remain in the Church in faith and truth, not deviate from the Fathers,respect saints asking their intercession,pray the Qurbono faithfully,pray for the dead in charity,read the Bible with the wisdom of Church not individualized and independently,love the Liturgy and praise the Lord.

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

And also, this Thobaslom song is not used in ordination ceremonies for Mar Thoma Church.

[@HolyQurbono]

Great, that is his reasoning. I gave you the Catholic and Orthodox reason for Chrismating the Marthomas who come to the respective Apostolic Churches.

[@roshanthomas_70]

marthoma church is in communion with Malabar independent Syrian church,(thozhiyoor church) and has good relations with the malankara jacobite church and the Syrian orthodox church .even though not materialised to communion relation ,engagements and dialogues are on that direction...there was no communion relation ship with catholics by OO,EO,Church of east or any others till 20 th century, so nothing to boast on that. marthoma church is open to all friendly relations .

[@HolyQurbono]

Spoon feed - you avoid the first question you put up until now. What is the purpose of your 15day Lent? What feast does it end with? Who is the Lent and Feast for?

[@theofficialtraveler_]

Proud to be a marthomite

[@anchanjake9704]

One more thing. The Malankara throne is still with Marthoma Metropolitans ,Aramana, at Poolatheen, Thiruvalla. You are free to visit and analyze the existence

[@benkunjackz4642]

SEAIN JACOB fake throne

[@anchanjake9704]

Fake throne is the one claimed by Orthodox faction- The Marthoma Simhasanam

[@benkunjackz4642]

SEAIN JACOB hahaha wat u meant by throne ? do u mean by a cushion seat....so funny. throne means apostolic succession not a cushion seat like marthoma sabha's seat....if u have doubt in it go and ask any apostolic churches.....

[@abeljoshua170]

+malankara sabha Well it was used from the very first Marthoma... No one said that a throne represent a 10 foot tall chair !

[@alvineapenrajeesh4574]

the throne you are claiming was thrown out from Kottayam Old Seminary along with Mathews Mar Athanasios and his belongings. And the throne with you is not the Malankara throne, it's just Marthoma throne of yours'.

[@ittoopmaani]

NIce work.. Though the Song is originally adopted from Syriac Orthodox Church, there is nothing wrong in that practice, I believe. We, Syrian Orthodox Church, use many songs written by Sadhu Kochu Kunju Upadheshi and many others. We all belong to the same Syrian Tradition. Peace!

[@jamesmathew9501]

നീണാൾ വാഴുക മാർത്തോമാ. Long live Marthoma.

[@manojranny]

Mr. Sabu George....ningal first adi nirthy parasparam snehikku..ennitu njangale upadeshikku...............swantham kannil kole irikumbol aduthullavante kannile karadu edukan pokaruthu.....................

[@roshanthomas_70]

thozhiyoor churchs role in malankara church history is of golden value..their bishops consecrated marthoma 10,11,12and reighned as malankara methrapolithan in a crisis period, and returned the title where time came.palakunnathu mar athanasious consecrated the sucessor for thozhiyoor church when the thozhiyoor methran departed without consecratinfg a bishop.it was palakunnathu thirumeni who advocated for the independence of thozhiyoor church in the court aganist the yuyakim mar koorloose syria.

[@roshanthomas_70]

this is what marthoma church follows,,no icons other than cross where ever the orientation is worship whether it is in church or homes... but other 2d icons is used for the realisation and spreadof christian teachings and messages

[@HolyQurbono]

When a group of Christians were united, then separated due to differences, politics, geography, intrigue, etc. Then discuss and come to a common understanding, accepting each other as true and of the same faith, forgiving past sins to be One, Holy, Apostolic, and Catholic - that's reunion. The Orthodox and Jacobites had that for 20 years before their 2nd schism. You have some sort of union with the protestant Anglicans, and their communion. Opportunism is the nickname of the Malayali.

[@HolyQurbono]

Aboon Mor Philexenos Paulose (Ayankulangara) came into full communion with the Malankara Syrian Catholic Church, becoming bishop of Chayal. The remaining MISC members had no bishop and had the Marthoma Metropolitan ordain a Metropolitan for the remaining community.

[@johnsonanujohnson5037]

സൂപ്പര്‍,. നന്ദി

[@HolyQurbono]

Peshitta contains books of the OT: Pentateuch,Job,Joshua,Judges,ISamuel,IISamuel,Psalms,IKings,IIKings,1Chronicles,2Chronicles,Proverbs,Ecclesiastes,Song of Songs,Sirach,Isaiah,Jeremiah (with Lamentations, I EpistleofBaruch,IIEpistleofBaruch, and Epistle of Jeremiah),Ezekiel,12 minor prophets (Jonah,Nahum,etc.), Daniel(with Bel and Dragon),Ruth,Susanna,Esther,Judith,Ezra-Nehemiah,Wisdom (of Solomon), I Maccabees,IIMaccabees,IIIMaccabees,IVMaccabees,Esdras,Tobit, andJosephus' JewishWars' BookSix.

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

You should follow the example of Cardinal Cleemis, he is a humble servant of God and a mere man like you can learn a lot from him on how to be a good Christian.

[@alexpunjab]

സ്വഗതമേ നല്ലോരിടായ...

[@HolyQurbono]

The Church from the time of Christ is One. Culture and local customs varied. When the first Councils met, they didn't argue over culture, they agreed upon the Faith. The Apostles when they went to Rome, Antioch, Spain, Africa, India, etc.. they assimilated the local culture and Christianized it. Yet, all these communities were One in Faith. Reunion means going back to that Union, as it should be. Malankara Re-union, was not only uniting to Rome, but all the Eastern Catholics, including Malabar.

[@roshanthomas_70]

malnkara syriac,,,in outside india marthoma churches are using the rented space of catholics, easterners,anglicans, and other episcopal churches,protestents too.. catholic clergy to offer the holy sacrament insist for re baptism and confirmation like the pentecostals, which is a herasy for marthoma church .there is only one baptism for salvation. at present we are in communion with anglicans,old catholics,and thozhiyoor church..so we use their service when marthoma kashesha are not available.

[@k.georgekurien5885]

very good song

[@emjay1044]

Do not worship men, only God is worthy to be praised

[@HolyQurbono]

When the Marthoma clergy and bishop is in MISC, do they also sing the "forbidden songs" and "expunged texts"? Or do they sit quietly while others pray? Do they refuse to concelebrate unless these changes are made?

[@House_of_Trolls]

Great one!!

[@roshanthomas_70]

i am a lay men like you....the procedure or way is the responsibity of spiritual teachers and marthoma of our church let them do it.

[@joelmelwin7744]

proud of orthodox church

[@anilidiculamathew7010]

Beautiful Song

[@HolyQurbono]

Sure. We are marketing Jesus and His Holy Body, the Catholic Church. How's that for a sales pitch.

[@roshanthomas_70]

i am accepting the history,that is what i have written.in 1807 the translation was made for 4 gospels on the syriac manuscript of peshitha.it was printed in 1811,it was monitored by philipose rambam and thimmaya pilla.in 1817 benchamin bailey started the works of complete translation of bible with availabe tamil,syriac and greek bibles.this was monitored by 8 syrian malpans and kasheshas and reported to malankara methrapolitha .from 1842 to 1998 the entire malankara used only sathyavedapusthakam

[@HolyQurbono]

How many metropolitans of Marthoma church allowed parishes to keep practices the way they were? If I were to convince a parish in Thiruvalla that they should return to using the full Qurbono, and pray the kuklion and thubdens as originally written; would Marthoma be broadminded enough not to trouble them?

[@roshanthomas_70]

k n daniel was one of the most respected and intellectual persons of marthoma church. the reformetion envisaged in marthoma church is return to the original. we always gave importance for the concepts of devine mystery that no human can unfold. he was on a stream to explain all phenomenons in faith .he explained eucharist as memmorialism,death as sleeping souls ,etc.which was not acceptable to majority.malpan never tried to join CMS,

[@TheRavik38]

no comments ....because to convince you i have to spend my energy..the basic difference with orthodox church is regarding prayers for dead,prayers for st mary and prayers for saint..marthoma position is clear.they have not rejected the status of any of these.

[@christinmathew7]

Why fight about whose song it is. It is rather respected to appreciate over it

[@princecm1618]

This is syrian song...

[@HolyQurbono]

1) Liturgy in Malayalam - some achens in your church now use Syriac, all Malalyali Churches now use Malayalam - 2) Independence of Malankara - Malankara, Syriac Orthodox and Malankara Catholic have independent Catholocos - pick one to unite with. 3) Learning Bible - all of our Churches have Bible Study and preaching. We have full Bible. 4) Traditions - none of our Holy Traditions are unBiblical. 5) Financial - some people are getting power and money. The true reason for separation.

[@HolyQurbono]

Marthoma church has no other church in Communion with it, except the Anglican Communion. Why is that? If they are apostolic, why are there NO apostolic Churches in Communion with it? Anywhere? Worldwide? only protestants?

[@HolyQurbono]

Remember the Canon Cross? It was Koonan Cross. And it had to do with Portuguese oppression over our Church, we are free with our own bishops and Traditions intact, no need to keep a division based on a mistake, corrected from 500 yrs ago.

[@HolyQurbono]

So during this ordination, all the vows which thrice state obedience were omitted?

[@roshanthomas_70]

what abt syromalnkara faithfulls in middleeast,australia,europe,south east asia etc etc???

[@HolyQurbono]

Just post it online and put the link, you don't need my email for that.

[@MalankaraSyriacOrthodox]

@ppv203 If Mathoma Church is serious about becoming 'Orthodox'; then it should come out of the Anglican Communion, including CSI, and establish Communion with the Syriac Orthodox Church. Honestly that would be so nice and I believe can help solve the factional fight with in the two groups of the Orthodox Syrian Church in India.

[@christinmathew7]

The marthoma church has always maintained ecumenical ties. We aren't coming out to orthodoxy, rather we always have maintained faithful practices in light of biblical truth and followed ancestral faith in an orthodox manner

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

@@christinmathew7 Wrong. Faithful practices of the Marthoma Church are based on Anglican/Episcopal/Protestant theological outlook.

[@christinmathew7]

@@antiochsuryoyo5118 definitely not We belong to Western Syriac Rite and follow St James Liturgy . We are in line with St Thomas Throne and our Episcopal succession has been initiated from Antioch on Mathews Mar Athanasius . We are a Reformed Syriac Church. period

[@antiochsuryoyo5118]

@@christinmathew7 You are 100% purely INCORRECT. I'm a former Marthomite (23 years) that has reunited with the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch. I used to assist in the Marthoma Qurbana, attended leadership conferences (in which one of them I assisted) and more. Wearing West Syriac vestments doesn't make you a partaker of the tradition - you all don't even follow the full Holy Qurbono that Syriac Orthodox, Indian Orthodox, Thozhiyur and even Syro Malankara follow. Also, look up the Mulanthuruthy Padiyola. When Athanasius was being consecrated, he read an oath in front of the then Patriarch and that oath was that he would not change or alter the doctrine of the Syriac Orthodox faith. You're not a Syriac Church, name one achen in your Church that can READ and WRITE Syriac? Not only that, you all don't use Syriac in your Qurbana with the exception of a few words. The Marthoma Church is basically an Anglican Church with some West Syrian externals.

[@christinmathew7]

@@antiochsuryoyo5118 Not using Syriac in our public communion doesn't exclude us from the Oriental Orthodox Rite. Our Achens have Hebrew, Syriac and Greek in their BD and they very well can follow the Syriac Taksa. Now there is absolutely no need to prove ourselves as Syrian Christians by following Syriac chants before a Malayali audience who cannot comprehend or understand the prayers in full essence( it becomes ritual then) . We have Nehvoon Mar Thoma, Qolo D Moroyo and Marthoma Syrian Liturgical Choir who now and then actively raise awareness to general audience as well as members about our Liturgical prayers, chants and calendar.

[@shibikurian8325]

I love this song

[@HolyQurbono]

Great avoid it. Why dont' you google it and post the link since it is YOUR citiation? I've linked with almost each post, you havent yet once. Tell me to find something that doesn't exist.

[@roshanthomas_70]

that is the peshitta in new version which included the deutro canonical books which was used for meditations.the vishudhagratham came to stalls only in 1998 ,till then it was the BSI sathyavedhapusthakam. nobody had any issues with that untill 1980s.i already have differnt versions of bible my brother in my shelves

[@House_of_Trolls]

Great work DSMC

[@HolyQurbono]

What does reading, studying, and mediating on Maccabees say though, and what about the practice of the Jews which Christ Himself never reputiated?

[@roshanthomas_70]

men who died as christians remain to be in active state even after his or her death ,but not in this world but in the shade of His grace.they are very much active as we are and is in more active communion than us.that is why marthoma church negates the need of a substitute qurbana for the dead in earth.marthoma church teaches that there is no presence of soul in the tomb thats why we donot do the dhoopa prathana at kallara.

[@ppv203]

This is great..Glad to see that church is bringing back the old syriac chantings and orthodox faith. These were taken away due to the "reformation" which took away some of the core faith and doctrines due to the missionary influences. These changes are an initiative of Mar Barnabas and hopefully won't be shot down by the "biblical" priests. Another step should be to communicate these to all parishes especially the ones in USA which are more like "protestant" due to Western influence.

[@HolyQurbono]

They need some people around here, all the born abroad youth left and are leaving to go to more protestant "bible church" since Marthoma sect taught them at early age to have Bible only - they learned that achens, incense, curtain, Qurbono, etc is not 'bible only', as they are told. Now they go where pastor wears jeans and there are nice big flat screen tvs. Same happening in Austrailia and even Mumbai. CMS plan worked wonderfully.

[@SamCJohn-xe6tb]

Need karaoke

[@HolyQurbono]

I will look for the same consideration when a laymen who wants to pray Hail Mary based on his understanding of Bible within Marthoma church; or if an achen decides to pray the original Qurbono, will the Bishops "accommodate"? I'd like to see it.

[@roshanthomas_70]

what will catholics do especially syro malankara do in this aspect...till now marthoma church has not ventured to sheep stealing or amlagamation or to sui juris rite and uniate grants or declaration.......so such a situation is new to marthoma church..please help us how did catholic church accepted the faithfulls of monophysite and nestorian churches to catholic communion in the name of re union. what were the pre requistic things or conditions you have done to get the roman blessing?

[@mrdebenofficial]

Praise the Lord

[@HolyQurbono]

You keep referring to the 15 Lent, what exactly are you Lenting for? This kramam is not available anywhere in public domain,please show me a link or a pdf.Your question above about the Malankara and Malabar Churches shows you understand the Catholic Church less than the Bible..The Catholic Church is a communion of 23 Churches,Rome is one, who's head Bishop is Pope of the Entire Communion.They are not all Roman Churches. Just like your church didn't take the Church of England prayer book.why not?

[@Anith83]

Grow Up Guys, We need to understand that all these were made for man and by man itself, we claim what is least important in our life, Can anyone dare to claim Christ that he belongs to Orthodox, Catholic, or Marthomite, all the reformations was made by man for his simplicity, here its just a song and treat it as it is, did anybody filled any legal petition claiming that this song belongs to them, so why are we crying over it, arguing that this belongs to so and so and all, just Grow Up with your mind and please change your mindset, as Christ is One and is One for all of us....... God Bless all...

[@jijuninan2296]

Right buddy.

[@MrVinukM]

God created human beings and human beings created religions

[@HolyQurbono]

Good one. None of the Bishops claimed independence back then, did they? If so, why did you malpan need to send his nephew Deacon to Antioch to be ordained? Some "independence". Which 2 bishops went with Rev. Abraham when he was excommunicated? By the way, "Metropolitan" means "bishop of a city" - how can he be the only real bishop in the Marthoma church if it is more than one diocese, the other "bishops", according to your statement, act as chorepiscopos rather than bishops?

[@roshanthomas_70]

technical the malankara church from the time of st thomas or precisely from the time of marthoma 1 is the marthoma sleehaykkuayi edutha malankara idavaka or marthoma sleehayude malankara bhadrasanam.which is headed by marthoma.that is the tradition even now followed by marthoma church..eppiskopas are assistants or overseer of marthoma.and they perform their spiritual,ecclesiatical and administrative reponsibility on behalf of marthoma

[@Rose-Jackie]

I have read almost all the comments, why all of you arguing about Sabha, we need Jesus, Nyayavidhi divsam karthame nammallode Ethu sabha annu ennu Chodhikilla. Sabha Kristhuvinte Thala annu, Velipadu vayikku...Karthavu SimhasanathilNithya thejasil varumbol orukkamullavarayi erikku..Njanum oru marthomite anne..Athu just oru church..All churches started one or other issues That is not a matter in front of our God and the Lord.Amen

[@HolyQurbono]

The Bible should be learned through the eyes of the Church. If not, you get hundreds of thousands of Protestant denominations from Marthoma to pentecostal to other cults. Always read the Bible with the mind and heart of the holy Fathers and mother Church!

[@coolanoy86]

In our prayers we say "Stephanose or Marthoma sleeha njangalkuvendi prarthikename or njangalkuvendi apekshikename", we don praise them abv God; In Ephesians chapter 5:1 speaks abt imitators of Christ, it clearly mentions to live the life of Christ, except the saints which we are talking abt do you think is anybody living the life of Christ. If u believe in 12 apostles then it means u accept their sainthood. u have answered your question.

[@roshanthomas_70]

parish means congregation or fellowship of faith fulls..hithersto such a situation of re instating the prayer for the dead,saints and st mary has not arised. if such a need arises it will be deliberated bishops synod and prathinidhi mandalom??

[@ppv203]

@josephthomas39 I am so happy to see like minded people. Is there a way to communicate this to the bishops and priests?

[@HolyQurbono]

That link doesn't work, but why dont' you look up the Canons on Simony according to the Councils of the Church, then ask why Joseph Marthoma is running around calling himself "Doctor" based on a few honorary degrees and some gained through underhanded alliances with pentecostal leaders (see Rajendra Lal and SHIATS). Canons say automatic excommunication, will anyone let the bishop know?

[@roshanthomas_70]

till 1968 majority of the catholic families also used the sathyavedapusthakam of bsi, they were using the latin vulgate,ther were efforts for the translation of vulgate to malayalam in 1930 onwards but did not materialise in wide spread use.it was only after the kerala catholic bible society printed it fible from 1977 ,the catholic bible became prevalent among the catholic families.

[@roshanthomas_70]

.the bishop you are talking is chrysostam valiya marthoma. he also said let men handle things in ordinary situations ,women are selected by god for extra ordinary situations when men flee from faith. please say what is the role of nuns and deaocness in church .?

[@HolyQurbono]

If you want a complete Pshetho Bible in Malayalam, find "Vishudhagrandham" by ArchCorepiscopo Most Rev. Dr. Kaniyamparampil Malpan, use it with Patristic notes from the Orthodox Study Bible or the Revised Standard Version - 2nd Catholic Edition.