Marc Lamont Hill DEBATES “Ultra-Zionist” Joseph Cohen About Israel and Palestine!!!

[@Liy___444]

With all due respect to Cohen and like minded people what’s happening to Palestinians has nothing to do with how the Jewish people have been treated throughout history. Israel has no right to treat people like they’ve been treating the Palestinians for decades.

[@jewtang610]

You do realize that Arabs have been attacking Israelis for decades now, right?

[@damonejohnson6098]

Well SAID 💯👏 & SIMPLY PUT!!!🙏

[@samara6041]

💯💯💯

[@mka1967]

EXACTLY....ITS NOT COMPLICATED

[@GUNN_123]

Cohen is making it a religious thing when it’s about stealing homes & land that’s the real reason.. but because of the theft of homes & land the Muslims will use Islamic values by way of fisabalillah jihad to fight back & not bow to their oppression & cruelty as we Muslims only bow to Allah (swt). It’s not complicated but mr. Cohen is making it complicated. Anyway Zionism is a cancer like Nazism & it has no place in politics or on the earth & it needs to be abolished.

[@omyara1591]

The safety of Jewish people must not come at the expense of Palestinian lives. It is imperative that both communities are protected and valued equally.

[@stradglider]

Absolutely, however everyone is only obsessed with safety of Palestinians and completely disregard the safety of Israelis... And it was always like this in history as well... That's the problem

[@rashidabdur-rahim1012]

​@@stradglider yet the Palestinians keep having more and more of their land stolen

[@RedMii-et4wd]

Israel has nuclear weapons and Huggies adult diapers for their army , the Palestinans only have malnourished freedom fighters ​@@stradglider

[@trinchuzosparty]

Then don't complain of Jewish settlers and call for cancelling Oslo Accord.

[@renatopereira2315]

@@trinchuzosparty how should we not complain about settlers ? Its literally illegal according to the UN and it is resulting in both stealing of land and the death of palestinians daily. It is just another tool of the Israeli occupation but dressed in civilian clothing.

[@maguscrowley4645]

I love Katie Halper, Max Blumenthal, Dr. Finkelstein, Aaron Mate, Keaton Weiss and other Righteous Jews who speak the truth about Zionism.

[@suzannaquigley7305]

And I also love the Israeli historian Ilan Pappe and all his books. " The ethnical cleansing of Palestine" " Gaza in crisis" " Ten myths about Israel" "The biggest prison on earth" etc, etc

[@ree5403]

❤

[@russellcoight1879]

Gideon Levy is a legend too.

[@splashwellington29]

Most of these people are great but Max Blumenthal is literally just “America bad” and so is Aaron Mate. Theyre just contrarians so you have to take what they say carefully

[@beebee242]

♥️🍉

[@ayeyokishh7401]

Lamont is a perfect example of someone who’s done their research and not allowing someone to talk them in circles about things that has nothing to do with the specific points being made.

[@mka1967]

People forget that Professor Hill is not just some guy from Philly with an opinion......he has a PhD in Middle Eastern studies from the University of Pennsylvania!! In other words he is usually the smartest person in the room and has actual facts, not feelings, to back up his statements

[@CarollemMen-cl8nz]

​@James_Willow Really dumb

[@rhonaramlal989]

​@@James_Willowhe's simply annoyed that he has to debate with this clown

[@bumsha]

@@James_Willow I think your comment is somewhat misguided, Any person operating at his level not only has a wealth of facts and information to be conveyed but also has to manage a debate without a moderator. You should also consider that he has a brand and platforms where he must carefully balance his wordplay and structure to get his points across in a digestible manner. Stuttering does not correlate to intelligence.

[@nidhal7895]

​@James_Willow Therapy can help your low self-esteem

[@mka1967]

@@jordanweber5351 I STAND CORRECTED...HIS Phd(WITH DISTINCTION) FOCUSED ON THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN CULTURE, POLITICS, AND EDUCATION IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE MIDDLE EAST....FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA.....MY SOURCE WAS THE BROWN UNIVERSITY WEB SITE

[@Mas_Tun]

I'm disappointed in this debate. There were many points Cohen made which I think should have been pushed back on. I think if you do it again, he shouldn't be getting away with the nonsense he was spewing. He was shifty with demographics and invoked the myth of large Arab immigration into Palestine (no scholar accepts that), mentioned Jordan as part of the Mandate for Palestine a few times (it never was - it was added to the Mandate after Britain was tasked to form it after San Remo, and it was removed before it went into legal effect), he kept taking about Husseini to stress the jihadi element ( the nationalist delegates were Christians and Muslims, and the nationalist literature was mostly from Christians), he kept invoking the neo-lachrymose history of Jews in the Muslim world (dhimmi status ended in the Ottoman Empire and it wasn't invoked by the Muslim nationalists in Palestine, which again, also joined with Christians), he mentioned the opposition to the Peel Commission as being driven by opposition to Jews having a state (aside from the value of the territory, it also meant quarter million Palestinians would have been transferred, and sovereignty would have been under Transjordan) etc etc. It's like he read a couple of books by Morris - while a brilliant historian, he isn't an Ottomanist and his thesis on the Jihadi element in Palestinian nationalism was poorly argued, and even disputed by right-leaning historians like Yoav Gelber - and based most of his argument on that.

[@havapuppy]

Thanks for this response, always good to get more clarity.

[@hindaclubhindaclub]

How is the weather in tel aviv

[@jason-s8c]

Cohen made no good points

[@H_Dar792]

No reason to be disappointed. This was supposed to be a ONE HOUR discussion/debate and it went over by around 15 minutes. To "push back" would have taken hours. But that is what the comments are for - push-back, and I appreciate and learned from your and other peoples' push-back comments here. Thanks.

[@michellenorris8471]

I agree 100%

[@rhonaramlal989]

Thank you Marc for standing up for the Palestinian people !

[@arunsalwan8558]

I support a fire. I support a two state solution. I think the issue is both people talk past each other what are they saying? I appreciate the people who are honest and say well I think the Jew should be thrown out or some people are actually very nice people who seem a little naïve to me who say they should all just live together in one state, many of those people live in the United States, Canada Australia, all places where Europeans came and conquered and settled. None of them wanna leave. You have to be realistic. You have to be honest in 1948 when the British partition, the land, the same British mind the partition British India were my ancestors are from 1 million people died during that partition. We all have moved on though there are bitter memories at that time when Israel accepted the partition, they were happy with getting a state that was only 55% Jewish and 45% Arab every time the Arabs have attacked them. Palestine has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller. Personally I think we should look at the 1967 borders and go from there to negotiate, but you can’t keep bombing and attacking and then get surprised that a nuclear powered state with a professional army is kicking your ass. I also have to preface it by saying that I think the far right wing government and Netanyahu have done war crimes are barbaric and should go to jail but at some point you have to sit down and make a deal innocent children innocent people are dying. In 2024 nation states aren’t just going to say OK you attacked us or you want us to leave OK we will do that.

[@danlopez.3592]

They are weak and will be destroyed if they don’t come to the table with a deal.

[@remogatron1010]

Thank you Joseph Cohen for standing up for the Israeli people !

[@registeredmental]

No genocide just muslims losing a war they started

[@Trust_The_Plan]

​@@remogatron1010standing up for genocide?? Shame on you and him.

[@Jabari1937]

To boil down (maybe crudely) part of Cohens position: “We were oppressed by colonizers so now it’s our turn to oppress AS colonizers”. Your people being oppressed does not give you the right to oppress others. Such a simple principle. You can’t philosophize or intellectualize that to make oppression and wanton violence permissible. The veterans from 1948 are on camera gloating about the atrocious acts they committed against Palestinians when they landed. You can’t justify that.

[@DevonahBlackwellT.I.]

And why no smoke for the fellow Europeans who actually oppressed them for millennia? It's like that famous parable about the boss abusing/bullying you so you go home and take it out on your family and they in turn abuse the dog/cat. Why is it easier for some to be selectively reactionary & take out their frustrations on everybody BUT those who directly abused/hurt them? After reading this back to myself it hit me that people feel comfortable reacting to/abusing those whom they don't believe have power and /or agency over them.

[@nmk5003]

I have to be honest while Dr. Marc Lamont Hill clearly wiped the floor with this guy, this ended being a pretty un productive debate. Joseph Cohen seems to quite frankly to not have much knowledge on the topic he was attempting to debate.

[@gsp3428]

OK bud

[@loliejean]

Usually the case.

[@beebee242]

Zionist know the truth. They are paid to stick to the lies, sell themselves. If they aren’t paid, they knowingly leave details out and twist narratives so their realities don’t shatter and they don’t have to go to the corner and cry for a couple of weeks to purge the lies they’ve been fed.

[@shaiqureshi2079]

Joseph is famously Mr change the subject, has his own playbook talking points, but brother he's NO academic or scholar!

[@haveaniceday365.]

Cohen said"If I die I will never punished for my sins as a jew,but I will come back as fish swimming the oceans" is that why IDF killing babies?

[@johndirlik6116]

Persecution of minorities (including Jews) existed everywhere, and the Muslim world was no exception. But no one disputes (not even pro-Israel scholar Bernard Lewis) that Jews fared better under Islam than Christendom, until Zionism poisoned relations. Conflict arose in the 1880's when European anti-Semitism gave birth to a Zionist movement that sought to recreate a long-lost Jewish homeland in now predominantly Muslim Palestine. Arab hostility towards waves of European colonists with ambitious territorial designs was hardly irrational. Neither was outrage at the breathtaking hypocrisy of Western nations that shut their doors to Jewish refugees fleeing the Third Reich but magnanimously voted at the UN to partition Palestine. For decades, Palestinians refused to "recognize" Israel: they were asked not only to renounce their homeland but also to grant legitimacy to its usurpers. Today, the majority accept a two-state compromise. Intoxicated with power and a sugar daddy called Washington, Israel chose occupation, apartheid and now, genocide.

[@sistagirl15]

Beautifully written 👏👏👏

[@YAHUDILIES]

I’m going to repost this, excellent!

[@YAHUDILIES]

I had to copy and repost that John lol

[@gerryburntwood9617]

Hats off to you mate well said!may I steal this?

[@benyahudadavidl]

As an Israelite and an historian who has had the privilege to study history from primary sources available to serious academics I can assure you that our Torah starts with Genesis ie human origins IE Black people and that our Torah is about a particular Black family and our relationship with OUR G-d and has nothing to do with anyone else. See Psalm 147 and Matthew 15 and 24. What has been hidden from view by white surpremacist scholarship is the fact that socalled nonblack people have stolen the identity lands titles and heritage of a particular group of Black people called Israelites wherever we find modernity. See Anacalypsis by G Higgins and Black Sambo documentary on KZbin and Spanish Inquisition and Portuguese Expulsion from primary sources. Never trust history out of the mouths of others no matter what color they may be. Google Black European Royalty and Heraldry.. the fact that our brother is an Israelite who has no idea that the person he's talking to is literally pretending to be human ie Black would be laughable if it wasn't so demonically savages. According to science and their own history they have only been on the planet for six to ten thousand years and are not human. Shalom 😊

[@kathykamp]

I think the point that "it's complicated," is that phrase is used to shut down conversation and discourage people from studying beyond what they see on mainstream media. It's certainly a very complex conflict, but the issue is simple: it's about the land.

[@adamp8872]

It’s not tho. If it was just about the land then why didn’t Jordan and Egypt give the Palestinians the land? They both occupied and annexed the Gaza Strip and West Bank respectively. Where was the uprising and suicide bombings against both these Muslim Arab nations that stole their land??

[@notimetodienttd1115]

💯💯💯 Evil tactics used by Zionist

[@TheIsraelProphetess]

The Abrahamic religions all hate the Jews it is historic fact.

[@muayyedsiraj]

@@adamp8872 because the goal of annexing those regions were not to colonize and conquer the Palestinians simply. Also its not complicated because you can see clearly what is happening to the Palestinians and they way things happened. Palestinians were just defending there land that all.

[@jyaacovmyers2318]

"Good noW!"!. B"H. Yes its our spiritual an ancestral homeland. UNWRANIAS are 75 years in the making, and a political entity at that only since 1965 or hereabout started by Arafat to undermine try State of Israel. UNRWAnians have no other reason for their existence.

[@Theo-eq3ei]

Marc is one of the most generous journalists out there when it comes to giving someone a chance to speak.

[@dr.cynthiascurry-brooklin8070]

He needs to give his own people a place to prove our lineage. Marc gives more credence to Palestinian history than his own history.

[@mohamedjama1625]

@@dr.cynthiascurry-brooklin8070 I don’t think that is a fair assessment. There are many leaders in the African American community who are more powerful and in political positions for real change. They have been silenced, with the illusion that they are equal in your nation. actors,athletes and academics. They are silence with the threat of financial consequences. Hold the people who can make a real Change accountable. Lamar is just a journalist who can only report.

[@bfa7098]

Except at the the end when he said Cohen is banned from sharing the video because Hill is "poor" (doubt that).

[@Theo-eq3ei]

@dr.cynthiascurry-brooklin8070 What do we have to prove? There are several avenues for DNA tracing.

[@dr.cynthiascurry-brooklin8070]

@@Theo-eq3eiWho we really are.

[@Whatisallthisfor949]

Marc, we need honest and educated leaders like you in the public sphere, it is really critical to counter the manipulation of truth in Western Media

[@chakesluv]

This is his public sphere. The mainstream stream public sphere does not want to hear this. If you remember, Hill was fired for something he said outside CNN controlled space. KZbin has been a game changer for people who have something to say. Just continue to support him.

[@dr.cynthiascurry-brooklin8070]

Marc is not being so honest on his denial of the genetics of these Jews. Why doesn’t Marc follow the research from John Hopkins School of Medicine?

[@muteehall]

Marc is honest when he denied the genetics of Jewish people living there today...its tons of evidence proving that they are connected to the Khazars which name was change later to Ashkenazic...I don't trust him at this point.

[@remogatron1010]

Jospeh Cohen, we need honest and educated leaders like you in the public sphere, it is really critical to counter the manipulation of truth in Arab Media

[@wingnut6985]

@@dr.cynthiascurry-brooklin8070which group of Jews are you referring to? Sephardic? Hasidic? Ashkenazi? Also you are omitting the genetic studies that show the Palestinians have genetics tied to Cannanites and Philistines which of course were there before the Jews. As for Ashkenazi Jews they are predominantly European ancestry and tied to the Khazars from Russia.

[@saad4447]

"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich." (Peter Ustinov, 2003

[@jamesSmith-kz3ln]

Very, very true! Long live Palestine!

[@juror6]

Not interested in Zio views. I’ve heard the lies repeatedly. I do not need to show him any respect. NEVER respected thieves and liars and that is all he represents 🇵🇸 From the River to the Sea Palestine will be free.

[@neviasista]

Truth

[@Slolo-s4h]

Agree once a thieve always a thieve

[@anniea7489]

💯💯💯💯💯💯❤️🍉🇵🇸❤️🍉🇵🇸❤️🍉🇵🇸

[@Stylelss]

Well sad man. There’s nothing good that will come out of this Joseph Cohen’s mouth

[@deans5086]

You're not interested in civil conversation and debate?

[@uw2783]

The whole debate can be summed up into Marc Lamont’s analogy, “If you are caught cheating on your wife and you try to justify it by calling out what led you to cheat, it still doesn’t change that you cheated.”

[@trinchuzosparty]

For that, you need to assume that it is true that you cheated. That is the problem, you start this discussion with a bias.

[@evanroberts2771]

@@trinchuzosparty “If you are caught cheating on your wife and you try to justify it......"

[@trinchuzosparty]

@@evanroberts2771 again, that is if you are cheating. You start your situation with a biased hypothesis. You think that you caught someone cheating but reality is that it is not the case.

[@rosdykalat2620]

@@trinchuzosparty Do you speak english mate ??? clue for you ...the word is 'CAUGHT '..not maybe, not assumed, not hypothetically..it's "" CAUGHT - that means to be seen or apprehended while doing something secret or wrong.

[@trinchuzosparty]

@@rosdykalat2620 no mate. You are wrong on this. Not simply because you want something to be one way it means it is going to be that way. Sorry for ruining your very well developed idea. You must have been weeks working on that, such a shame 😅

[@khalafibrahim9934]

Marc, I'm so impressed with your knowledge, intellect, and courage. You are a treasure. Thank you for standing up for the Palestinian people.

[@karenoneill2748]

This guy did not deserve a platform with MLH! He’s a biased sellout!

[@dnyledenial3780]

we the people of the … has been saying this shit from forever … they ain’t trying to hear, our poor ass…

[@dnyledenial3780]

let’s get real , these people arrived in the land and took over by force! they killed you and accused you of reaching for their gun! and in prison you died!

[@Darksoulsfan69]

Thats just historically inaccurate @@dnyledenial3780

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Courage for sure. Knowledge? Not based on this discussion.

[@mrtaha360]

He believes in this statement "there are no arabian jews" and that pisses me off, his naïve view of the ethnicities is stupid level of dichotomy

[@cohenliat]

Sorry to break your ignorance - but it is correct. 100% true. The amount if ignorance and confusion of non jews is truly astounding to jewish people. You can't be jewish and arab at the same time.There's no such thing. If you are Jewish you are Jewish. Whatever else you say is nonsense.

[@cynthiawones8174]

I’m sorry: The “He…” is who?

[@0xfffa]

​@@cynthiawones8174the little british Zio

[@itsnony77]

Yeah that's a false belief. Arabian jews have existed in Yemen since before the rise of Islam.

[@hanh9707]

Yes, says the EUROPEAN man 😂

[@popiedo]

Joseph Cohen "lets talk about the last 100 years" also Joseph Cohen " did you hear about 1500s?"

[@abdultuaheb123]

YOUR NOT JEWISH !!! 🤣🤣🤣 kzbin.info2RTYdgb3CVw?si=sLaKri96c00prfH0

[@bakloulaya789]

I may go way to 3000 when it was canaanites land to destroy his argument

[@SavePlanetPlease]

There are Palestinians who made the city of Ramallah in the 16th century. They were the largest Christian group among the first on the planet. Yes descendants of the Canaanites are Palestinians. It is fact .

[@bakloulaya789]

@EvadDnana thank you

[@victory5959]

Would you say that to a black man talking about islamic slavery or colonial slavery over the centuries?

[@Geewizz69]

My forefathers were Canaanites so as I’m the last living Canaanite I want my right as king of the israel/ Palestine area .. when can I be crowned and take my land back ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@whatyouknowboutme]

never your people sacrificed babies

[@ernestkhalimov1007]

Just citing the Canaanites destroys the jewish indigenous argument and the fact Jericho where it stands is older than jewish history in palestine

[@gerryburntwood9617]

@@ernestkhalimov1007👏🏻✊🏾🇵🇸

[@jrhirsch1]

​@@ernestkhalimov1007 Why was the name changed from Canaan to Palestine? After all the Philistines originated in Aegean, of European heritage, not Arab.

[@terrencemyers1033]

The Canaanites took land from Noah's son Shem who is an Israelite. This TRUTH is found in the book of Jubilees Chapters 8 & 9. Canaanites are Hamites. Canaanites are not Israelites.

[@jiselleanderson6943]

He made no compiling arrangements. He mostly tried to justify Isreal wrong doings by saying it was done to them by other people.

[@ivoryphillips4750]

If someone attacks you can they tell you when your response is enough

[@wingchun6036]

​@@ivoryphillips4750Is it okay to carpet bomb innocent men, women, and children?

[@remogatron1010]

He made no compiling arrangements. He mostly tried to justify PALESTINIAN wrong doings by saying it was done to them by other people.

[@ḵulagaaw]

@@remogatron1010his points were good. It's constrained because the debate was constrained. Lamont is just saying that's not what I argued. But the argument is based around things that are missing from his argument. He failed. Yeah he's smart so he recovers.

[@ḵulagaaw]

It's 6 miles from Gaza to Jerusalem.

[@1canadagoose1]

Very refreshing to see two good-natured people discussing this situation without anger and invective. This is a fine debate modeling intelligence, sanity, civility, and mutual respect. Yes: differing viewpoints and facts but willingness to listen and discuss. Way to go. Thank you.

[@leslie-annmills-gomez8763]

Zionist are not good natured

[@Gangplaank]

Wearing a Zionist t-shirt as if it bears no meaning neglecting the horrifying supremacy hate and uglyness it stands for that is not good nature

[@Gangplaank]

Let me burden you with the hidden face of Zionism.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6fFhHWrhs-lgrMsi=AsJhKirHRpFhiw1e

[@BelowMeGoggle]

If you DONT feel anger and invective over genocide, colonialism, ethic cleansing and apartheid than you are a ghoul without a soul.

[@0xfffa]

Sorry but the Zio is not "good-natured", he's a silent colonialist.

[@truzone994]

Cohen is a terrible ignorant of the history of Palestine.

[@beebee242]

Terribly ignorant, agreed. I believe purposely misleading and ignorant.

[@saharkamel9020]

Also ignorant about Jewish/Christian/ Muslims History.... it has become so easy for everybody to use Religion at will... when it is NOT....

[@jrhirsch1]

What historical fact specifically was he ignorant of? Were you aware of the fact that the Arabs are the OCCUPIERS? "If solid, uninterrupted ARAB OCCUPATION for nearly 1,300 years does not make a country "Arab", what does?" Here King Abdullah of Jordan in November 1947 admits that Arabs conquered, OCCUPIED and settled Palestine in the seventh century. And the obvious conclusion is that in order to occupy a land, peoples other than Arabs must have been living there before!

[@Somethingsomethingsomethin-z4g]

Without ignorance, you can't be a zionist

[@anyq_CS]

​@@beebee242 according to various dna studies, these ashkenazi/european j3ws are not even genetically semite. they're european/central asia. so if you talk to them, they'll act like colonizer

[@Azda-emina]

They spoke nicely and respectfully to each other which was refreshing

[@PoundShopScooterMan]

Its all very well congratulating cohen on being polite and amiable,the man supports the murder of 10,000 innocent children, who cares how quiant his rhetoric is.

[@everybodygetalong]

And they both made good points. Good conversation.

[@crackthefoundation_]

Yep, I also think it's important to not cut people off from friendship even if you disagree signifcantly, as long as they aren't actually bad people

[@anonymousnoticer]

You don't debate demons

[@everybodygetalong]

@ismailah8945 firstly. Clearly, no one is a demon here except you, maybe. Secondly, yes, you absolutely do debate demons. Especially if they have the capacity to wipe out the entire middle-east if they so choose. Whether Israelis are angels or demons is completely irrelevant. The more the Arabs fight. They worse the situation has gotten. Consistently. For 100 years. Name one time that arabs have indulged in an escalation of violent resistance, and that has improved their situation. At some point you have to question the strategy. What do they say about people who do the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. And you certainly have to question either the morality or the intelligence of people advocating for that.

[@Kaway_K]

Marc Lamont Hill you are brilliant. You held your own and explained your side without being taken in by him.

[@remogatron1010]

Joseph Cohen you are brilliant. You held your own and explained your side without being taken in by him.

[@manniefresh3425]

lol what? He lost on literally every point

[@charlesoba51]

​@@remogatron1010Joseph deliberately tried to conflate and confuse, I'll say himself and others like yourself by talking about persecution and religion when it's a simple Land Grab by Europeans from Europe trying to convince themselves or lied to themselves and others that they are indigenous to a land and an environment that burns their skin if they're out without sunscreen.

[@remogatron1010]

@@charlesoba51 You must be deaf indeed.

[@ykm257]

"It's very ridiculous that people think that had our oppressors, colonisers, besiegers not been Jewish we would have been okay with it. No of course not. Our issue here is not the identity of our oppressors. Our issue at stake here is the fact of our oppression." - Husam Zomlot

[@User-vh7cl]

It’s not very ridiculous. Palistinians never resisted Egyptian occupation of Gaza or Jordon occupation of the West Bank

[@User-vh7cl]

It’s not very ridiculous. Palistinians never resisted Egyptian occupation of Gaza or Jordon occupation of the West Bank

[@User-vh7cl]

It’s not very ridiculous. Palistinians never resisted Egyptian occupation of Gaza or Jordon occupation of the West Bank

[@User-vh7cl]

It’s not very ridiculous. Palistinians never resisted Egyptian occupation of Gaza or Jordon occupation of the West Bank

[@User-vh7cl]

It’s not very ridiculous. Palistinians never resisted Egyptian occupation of Gaza or Jordon occupation of the West Bank

[@TelemakUlysses31]

The big elephant in the room is the settler land grabs settler violence and forced evictions …

[@dominicdarmanin9866]

by the ottomans?

[@samihachem3212]

Anyone but Eastern European Z​@@dominicdarmanin9866

[@nata7536]

​@@dominicdarmanin9866 "We were persecuted so we shall persecute. We experienced genocide, so others shall experience genocide by our hand." Political Zionism is foul. Imagine black people saying or even implying "my people were enslaved, so now it's fine to enslave white people". Dude, this kind of bite sounds incredibly evil and divorced from humanity and is how we get stuck in forever conflicts.

[@aminezemrani201]

Man, my brother Marc Lamont, as a muslim man, I love you, my brother, for your Unwavering support for Palestine. This video is the best video out there to break down the conflict. You dismantled joseph and corrected him repeatedly about historical facts. You are one of the best minds out there. God bless you, my brother. You will always have me in your corner.

[@SatanYahoo]

He is Muslim too if I'm not mistaken

[@bakloulaya789]

@@SatanYahoo I don't think so,but man he has good Arabic accent when he speaks Arabic

[@yawos9024]

Palestinian resistance also has Christians.

[@SatanYahoo]

@@yawos9024 yes . mainstream media hides that fact

[@yacobmulugetta7119]

please note, Marc is arguing this is not a religious issue. The issue is dispossession and injustice. Why would you say 'as a muslim man'? This is exactly Joseph Cohen's point...that the Palestinian struggle is islamic. You can be a Christian or atheist and still feel passionate about injustice in Palestine. Also, 15-20% of Palestinians are christian.

[@twoshea749]

Mr.Cohen “Jihad” is the Arabic word for “struggle” generally against oppression of a threatening force or group. It does not just have religious connotations - it’s a WORD - it infuriates me when Arabic words are so xenophobically singled out as having purely threatening and religious connotations- this whole religious explanation of colonialism is a method that has been used by every colonial project in history - it’s an easy way to separate people based on characteristics that cannot be easily defined without it

[@havapuppy]

Thanks!

[@jason-s8c]

Jihad means to struggle against desires with self . Zionists try to hijack lsIam after 9/11 but fails miserable. CNN MSNBC NBC FOX all mainstream media is 🇺🇸

[@H_Dar792]

I wish people make the effort to find the definition of the word, quickly from the net: It is an "Arabic word which literally means "striving" or "struggling", especially with a praiseworthy aim". The "exact meaning of the term depends on context; it has almost always erroneously translated in the West as a religious "holy war." "

[@TheStinkbut]

Amin

[@TheStinkbut]

It's not complicated Joseph you making it complicated by your lack of knowledge

[@Geewizz69]

Where are polish Jews from ? Err Poland 😂 where are English Jews from err England .. so why do the zionists claim they from Israel 😂😂

[@iamwell5654]

EXACTLY!! they’re all complaining how their parents and grandparents were inside of the concentration camp, which means their Eastern European and German Jews and if they wanna go back to their home then why don’t they just freaking go back to Poland and Germany?

[@abdultuaheb123]

the guy literally looks like a ginger Scottish man 😂

[@benyahudadavidl]

Marc doesn't want to upset his paymasters. Shalom from the House of DAVID and Marlborough 👊🏿🕎⚔️🏹🪶🌽💜🙏🏿

[@neviasista]

Right 😂😂😂 crazy

[@GideonShofar37]

@Geewizz69 Polish / English Jews, both ended up in those regions after hundreds / thousands of years in diaspora, Jews were brought to Egypt on slave ships than taken to Rome by their captors and over time made their way north to Poland where they were welcomed for hundreds of years. You cant be so dull and uneducated to suggest that they are just Polish / English / Europeans? their not from those regions, they stayed there for a period of time, their genetics are large majority Leavant Israel , with small % of european female admixture racist pointing out his or others fair complexion are not only ignorant but apparently unaware how much your appearance can change within 1 generation let alone hundreds

[@carylamari6546]

The only reason the Two State Solution was rejected was the right of return. Further most Palestinians would rather a single non theocratic state where everyone had equal rights. This is what they want, what they believed Palestine was prior to the 1948 partition. They just want to be treated with respect, dignity and equality. Not complicated at all.

[@samara6041]

Well said!! As a Palestinian, I confirm we just want to have freedom and equal rights, not partition and apartheid.

[@bakloulaya789]

@@samara6041 I agree, for me it doesn't make any sense with 2 state solution

[@deans5086]

Really? Have you seen the survey results? Most Palestinians want Jews expelled

[@narele25]

As a 🇵🇸 exile myself, 1 state equal rights for all.

[@deans5086]

@@narele25 Are you willing to be Israeli citizens, living in an Israeli state with other Israelis as one nation?

[@Jabari1937]

Also what obligation does a people have to give away their land to a foreign people? Wouldn’t Germany owe land to the Jews if anyone?

[@rhonaramlal989]

Thank you Marc for debating this guy. You were superb! Enjoyed your counter responses. 🙏🙏✌️

[@nuchp1555]

Marc deserves a better person to debate. Cohen relies on low informed audience to try to make his point.

[@jason-s8c]

Ben Shapiro 😂

[@twoshea749]

I’m afraid no one on the Zionist side can justify their arguments in logic or in humanity - the Israhell defense at the ICJ consisted of their best and brightest and was laughable in the context of law and sense -

[@purdysanchez]

Unfortunately Cohen is one of the most civil, thoughtful people I've seen try to defend Israel's actions, and I've seen dozens

[@lemonyblue2437]

No matter how knowledgeable the person, nothing can justify israel action

[@Firstname_Surname]

@@purdysanchez What about Dr. Benny Morris?

[@lilianehuddleston9363]

This guy is tough to watch. He just doesn’t get that anyone coming to take your land and home regardless of their religion is going to face resistance and opposition.!!

[@deans5086]

When was it Palestinian land?

[@lilianehuddleston9363]

Educate yourself! Golda Meir carried a Palestinian passport. People living on-that land called themselves Palestinians. Including Jews who were 5/100 of population and the rest that included modems and Christians

[@deans5086]

​@@lilianehuddleston9363 Before 1920, Jordan was part of the British Mandate of Palestine. Then the British gave 77% of the land to the Hashemites from Mecca, who created present day Jordan. Is that Palestinian land as well? Gold Meir carried a British Overseas Territory passport that designated "Palestine" as the British Overseas Territory she was from. The passport clearly said "British Passport" on top of it, with a designation at the bottom saying "Palestine". It was a British passport. The British Land Survey of 1945 actually showed 71.6% of the land was government owned land (the government were the British, not the Palestinians) 8.6% of the land was owned by local Jews, 16.5% owned by a handful of wealthy foreign Arabs and only 3.3% of the land was owned by local Palestinian Arabs. Israel was started on 96.7% non-Palestinian Arab owned land.

[@lilianehuddleston9363]

@@deans5086 we can discuss this until we r blue in the face. Read Rashid Khalid’s book. I know a lot of Palestinians who had to leave in. 1948. They left behind their land and homes (some still have the keys) that they owned for generations. Now some Brooklyn Jew lives there. Tota;ly disgusting and unfair!

[@deans5086]

​@@lilianehuddleston9363 The Brooklyn Jews you're referring to are completely different. Those Palestinians left those homes in 2021 not in 1948. Those homes were originally Jewish homes and the Jewish owners were kicked out by the Jordanians. The Jordanians then forced the Palestinian residents to pay rent to them. When Israel won the land back in a defensive war in 1967, they returned ownership to the original owners - with the stipulation that the Palestinian residents could remain indefinitely, as long as they paid the legal owners, the same rent that they were paying the Jordanian government from 1948-1967. They refused. This went through court case after court case for over 50 years with constant appeals and all due process awarded to the Palestinian residents. It went as high as the Supreme Court - who eventually gave them the final ultimatum. Pay rent to the legal owners or get evicted. They were evicted because they still refused. During that time, the land had been sold by the legal owners, who no longer saw the value in keeping a property that was costing them money in legal fees, in their attempt to get rent. This is where the Brooklyn Jews eventually came in.

[@AlejandraR-t8l]

Why is it unlawful to have a DNA test in Israel?

[@prostras2199]

you like this lie so much i literally see it in every other pro-p videos . so basically your claim is that we don't have DNA test in israel because if we did we will find out we are all european and leave right ? nice lie . The reason there isn't DNA test in Israel as in many different countries is mainly because of privacy concerns ( for example if someone is adopted and he find out that he is adopted by DNA test that would sucks ) sorry for my bad English I don't know how to describe it well but I think you get the point . And by the way you can still have DNA test using american or which ever companies , Israel is a free country it is just that the country don't support those services . And lastly , you are aware that most of Israelis are Mizrahi ? so even if ( which is proven to be false) ashkenazi DNA test show that they are European , still that the majority of Israelis are in fact Middle eastern ?

[@desaussurebrewer2657]

Genetics could "possibly" indicate that some that "claim" Jewish, are really not! European-Anglo!

[@blackllama4602]

@@desaussurebrewer2657 They are not Bible Jews

[@Jesse-h6g]

It's false. Anyone can go and get a DNA test. There were limits in recent history with specific reasons, and that had nothing to do with your insulation. Regardless, if you want a DNA test you can get one easily in Israel. You believe this lie because you want to. It helps you justify your Jew hatred. And one reason for Israel's reason for fighting for a homeland is from Jew hatred, by people like you.

[@Jesse-h6g]

​@@desaussurebrewer2657So Jews are so deceitful that they are not even Jews. That's a good one.

[@leemajor5003]

Mark is too knowledgeable. He intellectually embarrassed this troll.

[@QuikNik14]

And there is not an interest in the gas fields near Gaza worth billions??? Netanyahu said under him more than once that there would be no Palestinian state and this was before October 7th.

[@jrhirsch1]

Hamas said this long before Netanyahu was Prime Minister. Hamas Charter 1988 Some anti zionist and antisemitic highlights "ISRAEL will exist and will continue to exist until ISLAM will OBLITERATE it, just as it obliterated others before it" "The spirits of its fighters meet with the spirits of all the fighters who have sacrificed their lives on the soil of PALESTINE, ever since it was CONQUERED by the companions of the Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, and until this day." "Our struggle against the JEWS is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast ARAB and ISLAMIC world, until the enemy is VANQUISHED and Allah's victory is realised." "Initiatives, and so-called PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS and international conferences, are in CONTRADICTION to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement."

[@fanglies6095]

Marc thank you for fighting the good fight against historical revisionism

[@adnans8778]

We dont say slavery was a religious conflict because slave owners used biblical references to justify slavery. Or South African apartheid was about religion for the same reason. All these issues and Palestine were and are about human rights and the freedom of people to self determination.

[@sjappiyah4071]

Sorry but that’s a very stupid comparison. There’s a difference between saying religion is a justification of violence (like slavery) versus what cohen is saying , that religion is the *cause* of the violence. Like Cohen provided an example of , when the Hashemite family from the Jihaz took over 75% of mandatory Palestine, there was not an uproar to overthrow them as they were fellow Muslim Arabs. . Land & displacement definitely plays a factor don’t get me wrong, but Religion is also a cause,not a justification.

[@adnans8778]

You haven't shown why religion is the cause. You've just said it isn't. The Hashemite example is irrelevant and shows how Cohen doesn't understand the history and is just cherry picking information to support a conclusion he's already made. There wasn't an uproar when the Hashemites took over because they weren't ethnically cleansing the Arabs. Indeed there have been many examples of Jewish leaders and influentials in the Muslim world. If you think religion is a cause why wasnt there mass opposition to Jewish immigration to Palestine pre-1920s? Because then it wasn't overtly Zionist. Jews had been living among Arabs all over the Arab world relatively peacefully for centuries. But when Zionism became prevalent the Arabs knew this would mean their subjugation and started opposing it, just as many others all over the world including Jews opposed Zionism at that time because of its implications. Einstein, a Jew, recognised the inherent problems with Zionism when he said in 1929: “Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing from our 2,000 years of suffering and will deserve our fate.”

[@ra-neter6662]

The church gave europrans the okay to buy slaves from the Muslims...

[@Humanaut.]

Religion is a huge part because in this case religion is simultaneously religion, cultural identity and political agenda all rolled up in one. Ypu can't separate islam from it's political manifestations. Interestingly enough there is a jewish religious counterpart or mirror image to this.

[@Safi-j3m]

No it's actually factual and correct. Zionism is a political movement.. Judaism is a religion. Christians or anyone who supports Israel can be a zionist.. Only a jew can practice Judaism.. Its a political movement that weaponised Judaism to secure support and allies and at expense of the religious Jews who left because they could not live with zionists whilst some assimilated for security.. And on some levels I can understand.. But not their actions, and they would of not had Palestinians ire if they had from the beginning just lived in peace and as they grew did it the lawful way ask for rights instead of doing everything under handed and using extreme vience and prejudices against the people who had lived their since their ancestors had been invited back by Muslims and it was not the Muslims who persecuted you through your dispora.. It was your Christian allies.. You ran to Muslims for protection.. But this is what we say you bit the hand that fed you.. But joined with your foes to destable your Muslim long term allies.. So who betrayed who..? The Palestinians definitely didn't.. The Muslims are always commanded not to be unjust to the Jews and Christians.. They won the land peacefully.. The Christians didn't choose you to rule over them neither did the Jews from mars time they invited umar to come.. So you are mistaken.. You are not party to your true history.. Joseph.. Muslims know their history and don't have hundreds of years gap.. So why when you came in early 19th couldn't you fit in with the original Jews of palatine and treated them like second class citizens.. Are they self hating Jews or are they hurt and offended by zionist actions.. Who they feel hijacked their beliefs for security..?

[@ToyToy1527]

One thing I’ve learned from watching MLH debate is always regurgitate the opponents argument highlighting the points you agree with in order to let their guard down and then attack lol

[@sfabblk]

That whiteman knew what Marc was saying is true.

[@iamwell5654]

Exactly. He’ll go home and cry that Dr Hill was mean to him.

[@The-Heart-Will-Testify]

He didn't shave😂 he wants to look more middle eastern haha

[@samihachem3212]

They are Eastern European, but they want to be Middle Eastern, lol

[@platanoverde10003]

We're talking about Israel/Palestine because the high level of cruelty that Israel inflicts on Palestinians

[@ginarivers3779]

The fact that so much violence is based on different interpretations of history is one reason why we may never see peace in the region. I also wish there was not the belief that if one rejects the idea of Zionism, then one is antisemitic. I apologize for slightly rolling my eyes when I hear repeatedly about Jewish suffering throughout time and their need to “defend themselves “ only because I am of African and Native American heritage and I don’t see us moving into neighborhoods and taking homes and land and bombing folks. But much love and respect to All peoples.

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

Yup agree. Antisemitism had lost its meaning for a long time.

[@crimsonmvestro]

Only way peace happens is if religion as an institution is abolished

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

@@crimsonmvestro some would say America has religious influence in their institutions too.

[@crimsonmvestro]

@@floatingdisembodiedhead8975 100% however religion definitely needs to be abolished

[@hurataimad136]

Wouldn't blame history for people's exploitation of creative rewritten edited stories they use to justify their present day oppression of others.

[@yoservs]

this was the best debate with this guy. the others who interacted with him usually lost their cool because they couldn't stand his lies and manipulations, but Marc could call him out calmly at every turn

[@velocirshtr3756]

Best debate? Just because they sound civil doesn’t mean this was any good. They couldn’t agree upon any mutual point to actually debate. A lot of red herrings and obfuscation used by this Cohen guy to AVOID an actual debate on the merit of what Israel is currently doing. If you really wanna know how this Cohen fellow really is when debates (fyi he uses a lot of disinformation), then watch his debate with Miko Peled. It was so useless, that Miko exited the “debate” because he presented zero facts lol.

[@c.j.4620]

Marc is an educator. He shows the patience

[@shamkhan752]

You definitely sound like someone who knows what Joseph operates like usually , with manipulating facts and twisting the truth in order to fool you. Very slippery guy!

[@cytata876]

I didn’t know Cohen operated like that…

[@batonrougelsuking]

Hes on speaker corners all the time. He gets yelled at becuase all he does is lie . Well he gives a bit of truth with mainupulating tactics. ​@cytata876

[@itaufique]

This was a excellent discussion! Worth the time for anybody who wants to listen and understand the conflict. Mature and respectful conversation.

[@abumansaray7]

I have listened to this Joseph guy for 4 years. He is full of hate with a smile. The guy lives in the UK and looks like a Viking descendant, but claima Israel is his homeland.

[@melodicsoundwave]

props marc your patience is on another level, i dunno if i'd be able to keep that cool the entire time. amazing job brother

[@abdultuaheb123]

YOUR NOT JEWISH !!! 🤣🤣🤣 kzbin.info2RTYdgb3CVw?si=sLaKri96c00prfH0

[@kevinsavino2056]

This was one of the more civil debates I’ve seen on this topic and conflict, very refreshing to see.

[@richardchurchward4413]

Agreed. Credit to both men for maintaining a respectful manner.

[@Felipe_Lopezz]

Only because he didn't stay for the controversial parts

[@sashsash6679]

Credit to Marc

[@sanctuary70]

Before this "debate " begins. Joseph Cohen is ANYTHING but "civil."

[@cd5139]

He knows how to act when he's at someone else's house but you are correct.

[@tboss6689]

you mean like you ,anything but civil, with your racist comment !!

[@Reds786]

Yes ive seen him at speaker corner

[@nooshinrazani3730]

I love how he uses racism to ask everyone to stay away. I am Middle Eastern and will tell you the reason this is horrendous to middle easterners is that it is a European colonial power. Middle East does not equal Islam or Arab. There are so many different people here, including many ethnic minorities. How do you think people should respond when Europe comes and kills a whole group of people and destabilises neighboring countries. What does he think the response should be?

[@runeinglev2782]

How did Europe come and kill a whole group of people in terms of Israel/Palestine? Asking from a genuine curious position.

[@Crooklyn_k]

If Mexico decides to invade and occupy the southern states in the US would the US government talk peacefully and come to a 2 state agreement with Mexico??

[@kindGSL]

That is a really stupid question. First off, those states were all a part of Mexico before the Mexican-American war. Second, those states already have lots of Mexican/Americans living in them, they travel back and forth regularly. Third, Mexico is the largest US trading partner. And lastly, Mexicans are NOT crazy, evil people like the murderous Israelis are.

[@TonyStarSmif]

no

[@neviasista]

Nope

[@hhheee3939]

Mexico would have more of a case than the zionist s do. The land was stolen from the mexicans. The zionists have never been indigenous to the land they occupy.

[@deans5086]

LMAO. Do you have any understanding of history? The United States literally took alifornia, Texas, New Mexico, Utah, and Nevada, Arizona, and parts of Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska and Wyoming from Mexico. Mexico eventually signed a peace treaty and ceded these territories to the United States

[@artwillvideos]

I was surprised he steadfastly equated anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. From his standpoint, then, one cannot criticize the policies of the state of Israel??? 🤔

[@jrhirsch1]

Antizionism is antisemitic because it SINGLES out JEWISH PEOPLE ONLY out of all the ethnic groups on earth by specifically denying them the right of self rule in their indigenous homeland. If you claimed the French people had no right to live in France or the Chinese no right to live in China that would be considered racist. And by that same standard your denial of the right of the Jewish people to live in their ancient homeland is equally RACIST!

[@arunsalwan8558]

What’s so frustrating is both sides Never acknowledge the other person’s point or their pain. You listen to this guy and didn’t pick up on anything he said? I say the same thing to Zionists and at the same time would agree The western media only gives one side but it doesn’t give me much Hope when you’re not even willing to be convinced and I say that on both sizes as well Yes it’s a land struggle but why is it so polarized based on communal lines? Evangelicals support Israel and in general the entire Muslim world supports Palestinians

[@Stumashedpotatoes]

He would argue that criticizing the policies of Israel is not Anti-Zionism. Denying the legitimacy of the Jews' desire for Statehood in the their historic homeland is Anti-Zionism. Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitic. Criticizing Israel is neither. However, if your criticism amounts "you shouldn't even exist so everything you do in self-defense is illegitimate", .... well then, ya, I think you get the idea

[@morenitomoreno1282]

​@@StumashedpotatoesIf this is the standard then zionists are by definition racist against Palestinians since they don't believe Palestine as the right to exist(Think how twisted it is that Palestinians are the ones without a state yet theyre the ones constantly being asked if the state preventing them from having theirs has the right to exist)

[@a.m928]

How many nations have a right to exists on thw basis of genocide, ethnoc cleansing and apartheid?

[@antoinetteponzo1569]

I'm so glad you did this. We really need more conversations like this between people who disagree on issues.

[@Justice4Palestine]

Joseph lied through out the debate in a civil way

[@paulknobloch3440]

This Zionist is not a dummy, but I feel sorry for him. Marc owns him and remains super gracious. This is who should be running for president. Whenever you do, Marc, I'll volunteer to work on your campaign. Of all the talking heads, all the politicians, all the pundits, you are one of the only people that I know is 100% legit. Keep up the great work.

[@Popkulture818]

Mark looked so happy to do this debate lol

[@duniaali777]

My thoughts are exactly 😊 Knowledge is power!!!

[@SuperMacChan]

Joseph Cohen is accusing the Palestinians of being anti semitic. He needs to know that a Semite is a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs. The name comes via Latin from Greek Sēm 'Shem', son of Noah in the Bible, from whom these people were traditionally supposed to be descended. In other words Palestinians are semites.

[@kazz970]

Literally no one has been discriminated simply for speaking Aramaic. anti-Semitism means anti-jew.

[@sagewalsh9702]

Palestinians are semitic. Right.

[@haveaniceday365.]

Cohen said"If I die I will never punished for my sins as jew,but I will come back as fish swimming in the oceans" Is that why IDF killing babies? They don't have any accountability for their wrong doing because they are chosen people and White settelers from Europe? I just need to understand what justice means to them?

[@hindaclubhindaclub]

OK so say anti jew and not antisémite and the israelis are not all semite

[@kazz970]

@@hindaclubhindaclub no. The word anti-semite has always been used exclusively to refer to Jewish discrimination. It comes from Europe, which is where most anti-semitism originated.

[@ernietollar407]

The Nakba happened in 1948 around the time of the massacre in Deir Yassin which was terrorism aimed at expelling arab Palestinians in what became the Nakba - 0.75 million feeing the terrorism for their lives. No amount of lies will erase this part of history

[@Mpc5061]

No, but yet your camp want to erase Hebron and every other massacre of jewish villages by Arabs pre 1940s

[@Nina-q9y4p]

God bless MLH for being able to having these conversations. He is a much better person than I am.

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

The simplest way to know whether you think the treatment of a group of people is right or wrong, is to simply turn it on yourself and ask, _"what if I was treated this way?"_ The golden rule is the golden rule for a reason. It need not be more complicated than that.

[@thereanimator926]

7th October

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

@@thereanimator926 70+ years of occupation, the Nakba, and all the misery caused since.

[@zzz-nu2re]

​@@ChrisAlbertH47parading dead naked corpses thru the street as Palestinians dance, i havent seen Israelis do that

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

@@zzz-nu2re Then look harder. In fact, why don't you watch the case brought forward by SA before the ICJ. They compiled quite the list of evidence there. Somehow I doubt you will though.

[@zzz-nu2re]

@@ChrisAlbertH47 Israel warns the civilians in Hamas before attacks to protect them, Hamas specifically targeted and massacred unarmed civilians. Shani Louk was paraded thru the streets as Palestinians parties like it was 1999. Can u name one time i can research where Israelis celebrated killing a civilian?

[@tonytooshort]

What a spirited, spirited conversation. I won't even call it a debate because no one argued, no one raised their voice, no one strawmanned the others arguments. This was a conversation where two grown men shared their perspective on a complex issue. As a pro Palestinian ally I would like to thank you and congratulate you BOTH. 👏🏽🤝🏽

[@beyondthepage9389]

Fancy Issuing a challenge (I dare you Marc Lamont to debate me) only to find that you are completely unprepared for such. Joseph Cohen's point of view is one big STRAW MAN. Practically every one of his counterpoints is a STRAW MAN response because he is always (like Marc Lament keeps on saying) talking past Marc Lamont's actual point of view. If Cohen is the best that the Israel Advocacy Movement has to offer then god help the future of that movement.

[@WinslowCrockwell]

Spot on Mark! It’s a distraction to say it’s about religion because it changes the paradigm away from colonialism. If someone moves into your house you don’t care what their religion is you care that they leave your home and leave you in peace. This is not hard but if we can make it hard we can pretend that it’s not about what it is about. The walls, cameras, and control over the Palestinians is the problem. The belief that they are inferior and not entitled to the same things the Zionist believe they are entitled to is the problem. All the words in the world won’t change that.

[@Amélie-r7r]

@atr4454 The thing is , it’s kind of specious to use the Bible or any ancient book as land registry to make claims like my ancestors were here thousands of years ago, God promised us this land, so it’s ours! Is your God the God of the rest of humanity ? Do Buddhists and Hindus believe in your God? And even in the Abrahamic religions, regarding that land, God made a convenant with the children of Israel, a convenant that they broke and were punished for it by God who exiled them from the land. That exile order was never reversed which is why some religious Jews find the state of Israel as blasphemous to Judaism. And you’re making your claim on that land against people, the Palestinians who probably have a more legitimate claim than you! The Ashkenazi Jews have extensive European ancestry, most of them are frankly Eastern Europeans from specific countries in Eastern Europe. Palestinians and Mizrahi Jews have shared ancestry, they both have Canaanite DNA, so Palestinians are middle easterners, Mizrahi , Jews are also middle easterners. Ashkenazi Jewish people have ancestry in Europe. Why do you think Israel’s skin cancer rate is among the highest in the World ? Because a mostly European population with yes a religious connection to the levant but with no ethnic connection to the levant is now living there ! Skin cancer can affect anyone but it is 30 times more prevalent in non-Hispanic white individuals than in any other human population.

[@soverycomplicated]

Then why wasn't there opposition when the Brits gave 75% of historic Palestine to a foreign clan aka the Hashemite "Kings" who rule over all of Jordan to this day? Just 3 Hashemite "Kings" have ruled over Jordan in succession since 1921 although they're foreigners & their subjects are majority Palestinian. & if it's the walls & control that Palestinians find so distasteful do you have any conception of how they're forced to live in Lebanon where every Palestinian, roughly 500,000 individuals residing there are legally denied the right to own property, restricted from working in 39 professions, prevented (even after living there for generation after generation since the 40's) from acquiring/receiving citizenship & all the legal protection that affords someone, 80% of them living beneath the national poverty line, forced to reside in designated camps & so much more. It's absolutely apartheid but no one seems care except for my GF. Just google Palestinians in Lebanon

[@markgorman4805]

The whole conflict has absolutely nothing to do with european colonialism. Zero.

[@Amélie-r7r]

@@markgorman4805 One of the founding fathers of Zionism : “A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!… Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important… to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing.” One of the founding fathers of Zionism Vladimir Jabotinsky, in an essay titled The Iron Law (1925)

[@HellllooKittttyyyyy]

U mean when Caliph Umar called and moved back in the Jews after the Christian Byzantine had kicked them out before Islam dont worry Israel time will come soon its only a matter a of few decades​ from now@atr4454

[@etiennebunbury1285]

Even shorter argument Who has the right to give land to another that hasn’t earned it or can prove being indigenous to it?

[@blazinmark1]

Have you heard of the History of HomoSapiens? It’s the norm not the exception. The conquered submit. (It’s literally what Islam translates to… Submission) the rules apply to “Palestinians” as well.

[@etiennebunbury1285]

@@blazinmark1 Conquered you lot HAVE not fought one war. The Arabs and Russians defeated the ottomans. You lot ain’t brave warriors. You begged the Brits for land and worked some deal without shedding a pint of blood. You didn’t win it by conquest you was given it then armed to the teeth by American British and German arms. The same people that are the most culpable where it comes to talking about anti semitism. We all know that the returning lot were Nazis or white South Africans who joined the army ranks. But finally we all know that those that left look nothing like those that left! The war was won and Jews saved from extermination by fascist Germans. You should be more grateful to the Russians and the Arab nationalist that made it possible for you to talk such bullshit!

[@salemalnuaimi602]

​@@blazinmark1islam trasaltes to conquered submits lmao Source Truat me bro im a hasbara troll

[@blazinmark1]

@@salemalnuaimi602 The word Islam means “submission” or “surrender,” as its faithful surrender to the will of Allah. Although its roots go back further in time, scholars typically date the creation of Islam to the 7th century, making it the youngest of the major world religions. Wikipedia ☝️

[@salemalnuaimi602]

@@blazinmark1 submission not surrender Where does it say surrender for the conquered hasbara??

[@petworth]

"we don't need scripture for this". thank you brother. i'm getting sick of everyone's religion - - equally

[@montierelliott5173]

You're the man Marc. I really appreciate your ability to spend so much time learning, and then compressing the information so I can consume.

[@montierelliott5173]

I'll never forget. Got home from work couldn't wait to watch Black News Tonight, and BNC shuts down. I turn to the Philly game and Marc right under the basketball watching Harden first Philly game. Come on people we have to help Marcs vision whatever is become real!

[@bfa7098]

How do you know he identifies as a man?

[@calvinr.johnsonjr.9076]

The Hebrews who Romans dealt with are not the Jews that we see in Israel. They aren't the same people

[@Mpc5061]

😂😂😂omg the ignorance...

[@calvinr.johnsonjr.9076]

@@Mpc5061 not basing on your feelings. They aren't. Majority of them descend from European countries. Just like neatherthals they mated that gene out. Or saying the Egyptians now are the same as the ones from 10,000,bc. That my friend is ignorance

[@abdultuaheb123]

the guy literally looks a ginger Scottish man but claims to be native middle Eastern lol 😂

[@AK-np4rp]

Redhead, not ginger.. Ginger is too often used as a slur. I agree with your argument.though.

[@melgharial7419]

Ignorant comment

[@aaronshaikhomaar623]

British crap

[@patricemoss105]

I thank God for the brilliant black scholars out here like Marc!

[@towns1911]

I appreciate the respectful tone of both and the good-faith arguments. This is how conflict should be discussed and resolved.

[@johnwilliam2474]

yes, better than quite a few or not some prevailing comments here

[@bebopkirby]

How one sided can a human be, he actually wants people to believe that only one side can offer a peace solution, and if the other side rejects it, then that side does not want peace. That’s not how the world works, for every peace solution offered and rejected by Israel, there has been ones offered and rejected by the Palestinians. The only difference is, the planet has overwhelmingly come down on the side of the Palestinian peace proposals as being more fair. Not wanting to deal with this little troubling fact, he blithely counters with a ridiculous lie that pretends peace proposals only come from one side. This nonsense is only meant for one group, the brainwashed American people of course.

[@deekneumann3943]

There is no Khazarian history in Palestine. They are not descendants of the ancient Hebrews. The so-called "clock" before the 1800's doesn't exist. Cohen is also attempting to create a European Jewish "People" when in reality they were converts and not descendants of any Semitic people. So the "history" is a fabrication. Just because the European "Jews" practice a few ancient Hebrew rituals and they change their European names to sound Semitic, does not make them descendants of the Jews. Sholmo Sand makes this perfectly clear in his book "The Invention of the Jewish People."

[@AdegbengaOgungbeje]

Even if they were descedants, it doesnt make them the same people. Descent isnt how we define people. Nationalism is what defines people.

[@deekneumann3943]

@@AdegbengaOgungbeje My intention was to push back on a claim to the land of Palestine by the Zionists. Their "argument" is that the Bible gives the Jews the title to the land, but the Khazarians (European) Jews are not connected by blood or history to the ancient Hebrews, so the claim has no basis. This is one of the Zionists' big lies.

[@yitzchakfriedman821]

European Jews always had Hebrew first names. The European surnames were imposed on them by their Christian rulers

[@MARTIALnoart]

@@yitzchakfriedman821my question to you is did these euro Jews flee from Palestine”Israel “ at any time in history ??? Ever??? Or did they convert ????

[@AdegbengaOgungbeje]

@@yitzchakfriedman821 Provide evidence that European surnames were imposed by christian rulers. It still doesnt make them middle eastern. Many african americans have African names. They arent Africans. Many hispanics have Spanish names. They arent Spanish or European. Having a name or surname doesnt make u from the place.

[@deekneumann3943]

The occupied has a right to resist the occupier, especially after 75 years of genocide.

[@grbbbc]

Weird that a people suffering a genocide keep going up in massive numbers, could you kindly explain?

[@ericvandenbergh8434]

It’s good for Joseph to have had this somewhat tamed discussion, it may give him a moment of introspection which may get him to see what objective truth means.

[@H_Dar792]

If you want wild yelling, Cenk and Ben have some epic ...... on The Young Turks.

[@jdp5288]

i doubt it, he has been coming to Speakers' Corner for years with his propoganda and has been refuted many times but still he persists as he is a paid hasbarist. I recall many years ago when he first came he had a long discussion with an academic (non Muslim, half Sri Lanka, half English guy)who was versed in the subject who absolutely schooled him to the point of embarassment but yet he still returned to regurgitate the same hasbara talking points.

[@mh8826]

@@jdp5288exactly.. if he hasn’t learnt by now unfortunately this debate won’t change him… which shows he’s just a propagandist

[@danendrahartawan9268]

doubt it lol

[@amdesign7720]

Joseph you are truly brilliant you completely dismantled his arguments in the most calm and precise ways wowww! keep make us jews proud Am Israel chi 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[@BM-kk4dc]

Joseph Cohen is such an amateur. Its not the first time he embarrassed himself in a debate. He should stick to speaking into a camera to his Zio mates 😂😂😂

[@abdultuaheb123]

YOUR NOT JEWISH !!! 🤣🤣🤣 kzbin.info2RTYdgb3CVw?si=sLaKri96c00prfH0

[@Shuliba]

Every time Joseph talks about the Jews of the past, the speech fits perfectly with the Palestinians of today. Even if everything he said is 100% fact, it would not justify the apartheid state or the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people for the last 100 years, much less would it be justified by Judaism or any other religion.

[@knamebestname]

Did you type "even if" when referring to genocide and pogroms of Jews? I thought anti-Zionism wasn't anti-semitism?

[@TheAshube9]

Its all about security in the present, and the right of jews to security. Israel w!ll n0t grant fr33dom to people vowing to d3str0y !t

[@zzz-nu2re]

Ethnic cleansing, yet 20% of the population of Israel is this ethnicity and they have full rights and are not being killed. Is Egypt an apartheid state? Since they have a closed border with Gaza?

[@TheAshube9]

It is more about insecurity dangers in the present days than the past, many israelis f3ar too many Palestinians would be interested in using their independence as a launchpad to c0nqu3r the rest. And frankly, with good reason

[@caspar_gomez]

yeah the whole time I was thinking wow how can you have so little self awareness or compassion, just using their suffering as an excuse to do it to others

[@Hr4all4ever]

Thanks for this Marc & Joseph. This is an excellent example of people having a civilized debate even when they disagree on many issues. These dialogues are the only way to safely bridge those disagreements and find sufficient common ground to live together peacefully and justly

[@PoundShopScooterMan]

civilized ?. 10,000 innocent children have just been murdered by the policy he supports based on a stolen identity and sold to the world as acceptableby the rest of his demonic people and their psychopathic money grubbing cohorts. Cohen will be judged with the rest by God, and it won't be long.

[@jahidzaynal7334]

so it's only about TALKING nicely then? it's OK for israel to continue murdering people, but what's important is we be civil! pro tip: advocates for evil are usually quite civil when it comes to talking, it's called deceit. Remember, words mean nothing when you've got actions to go by.

[@NJIT22]

Lamont missed why Jews decided to return to their homeland and it was not colonialism

[@SamPatricio7]

OMG, the zionist just described what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. lol

[@ḵulagaaw]

Which if you can think objectively should give you pause on holding a position on this.

[@samwahabi6946]

Thank you for an informative and civil discussion. I certainly learned a few things from this discussion.

[@clearvizionmedia1151]

You done an excellent job debating this guy Mark. You made so may valid points that he was not ready to discuss or rebut. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

[@margaretgrebowiec5585]

It's not that he wasn't ready, there were no valid responses to the truth!

[@TheOneThatKnocks333]

Lamont's arguments are built on on straws. He was clearly not ready to concede his arguments regardless if he was proven wrong or not.

[@Lonewold.]

Marc, you rock brother ❤️. Watching you from the Bastion of The Free... South Africa 🇿🇦

[@vjtm7061]

He literally said anti-semitism is a European invention. He has no idea what he's talking about and hasn't studied history. But sure, go ahead and praise him.

[@Lonewold.]

@@vjtm7061 but it is.

[@Tony-Injection]

​The word is, but the hatred against J*ws is not. The Nazis use the same ignorant argument. @@Lonewold.

[@patriciarobainamourid6597]

​@@vjtm7061except he literally has a phd in Middle Eastern studies, but he doesn't know history. Yeah, okay. joseph needs to go back to speakers corner where he also gets spanked on the regular there

[@grbbbc]

Basket Case South Africa don’t you mean.

[@liz2622]

Great job Marc very clearly stating and explaining your points. You are 100% correct that it is not complicated to understand how the modern “Jewish” state of Israel was founded through settler colonialism. Joseph’s contradictory responses unknowingly to him actually very well demonstrated the way in which Zionism strategically muddies the clarity and makes it “complicated”. Joseph relied on arguing that the Zionist project for a Jewish homeland was nationalistic bc “ethnic” Jews in Europe were being persecuted needed a land to flee to. He was willingly arguing they were “ethnically Jewish” not religious…until he needed to counter the concept of settler colonialism. Now all of a sudden it’s religious Jews in the Arab world being persecuted bc they are Jews, it is “Zionism is anti-colonial” bc Jews ruled Judea and they returned to reclaim their land, it is Palestinians are all anti-Semitic bc their issue is with Jews bc of their religion. Completely erasing the existence of both Palestinian Christians and Jews. When in reality the only side claiming to be in this fight for land bc of religion are the Zionists. When in reality it is predominantly secular ppl calling themselves “Jews” wanting to do a land grab and dispossess the indigenous Palestinian population.

[@CarollemMen-cl8nz]

People forget that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said that HE WOULD RETURN HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE SCATTERED. The Jews or Khazars and converted Jews who emigrated to Palestine/ Israel from 1918 to 1948 did so because if a Zionist political nationalist movement initiated bt Theodore Herzl who died i. His early 40's and David Ben Gurion and a Rothschild and other Jewish donors supported the emigration of the Eastern European Jews to Israel. God didn't return them. Whenever Israel did things on their own or in disobedience to God, he chastised the children of Israel and punished them and sometimes destroyed them and sent them into captivity and told them what evils he would bring upon them. God also told the Children of Israel that the STRANGERS would live among them. These Zionist are in disobedience right there. They don't want the strangers to live among them. God told them to be his people and worship him. Alot of Zionist Jews are secular and not spiritual. God told the Jews to worship him and cling to him. We know that these Eastern European Jews in Israel now are imposters. God had nothing to do with them going to Israel. They also have the audacity to say who is a Jew. God called them a stiff necked people. Although God loves them, he said they were disobedient to him and his word. Jesus Christ, the end of the LAW to them who believe. Jesus was a Jew. We are Christian Jews. We also have a right to the land of Israel. There is neither Jew nor Greek. Netanyahu never should have committed Genocide on the Palestinian people and never should have put them in some say a open air prison for over 75 years. Who does this in the 21st Century? It is wrong and barbaric and breeds hostility from the Arab Palestinians. See, these Zionist always forget that many people read the Old Testament ( Torah) and we know what God said to the children of Israel. The STRANGERS can live among them because they were STRANGERS in a strange land ( Egypt ). In other words don't do to the strangers what was done to you. Vote 🗳 for DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND INTEGRITY in November. Get those young adults registered to vote. Get some applications and give them out. God is still in control.

[@trinchuzosparty]

I'm sure you are not aware of your circular argument. Joseph was very clear and stated an actual complicated situation.

[@shifrafreewoman174]

i disagree with Joseph Cohen. The refusal of Palestinians to agree was not because they would not agree to anything, it was because the deals were not fair. i like how kind both of them were to each other.

[@farizaazmi7464]

Indeed!

[@DzulqarnainNasir]

This is what I hear from most zionists.They think the Arabs are simply backwards, unreasonable people who rejected all the deals for the sake of rejecting the deals. I bet most of them don't even know the contents of the deals.

[@moshearturogarcia-ribbi6804]

Palestinians want the whole country. No compromise

[@HereDiianas]

​@moshearturogarcia-ribbi6804 They want the whole country.... But who are the settlers all other palestines? Who is already planning real estate programs in Gaza. Who has stolen slowly but surely more lands than what was agreed upon on the different agreements. Colonizers and their same twisted stories... It was the same in Algeria , South Africa, Australia, the USA, Argentina... Too bad it's 2023 and not only do we have live videos but also satellite images. The lies can't work as easily as they used to.

[@sjappiyah4071]

I respectfully disagree with you , if the Jews having a mere 3.5% of the land would be considered “unfair” to the Palestinians despite the Jews at that time being 20% of the population, then clearly the Palestinians would refuse any deal. The problem comes down to the Palestinians, and many pro Palestinians today seeing the Jews as a European settler colonial state rather than an indigenous community attempting to decolonize and establish their homeland. So long as that’s the understanding of the conflict, not even 1% would be acceptable, and frankly if I was Palestinian and believed they were invaders I’d also reject the offers too. Regardless, I enjoyed the kindness and substance based discussion from both of them likewise

[@Harold-km5kd]

Always thought the Palestinians was Semitic people too

[@nier3434]

What nobody ever mentions is that never in history was Israel ever mentioned outside of their book. Israel is arguably mentioned once in Ancient Egypt (a civilization that has been around since Mamoths walked the Earth) as a nomadic tribe and during the Romans (who removed them), during which they had about a 4 blocks size of land. Therefore, a return to their land from the Euphrates to the red sea is a complete myth.

[@Meevious]

It's not really their book. It was written by Judahites, who had historically warred against their Israelite neighbours. Israel features as the "naughty sibling" who did the wrong thing and was absolutely destroyed. Like some parents might tell a naughty child that they actually had another child before, but they met a terrible fate because they didn't heed their parents' warnings. The part of the Bible concerning Israel is a lesson on _not being like Israel._ Even before Israel is introduced, its fate is already summarised not once, but twice, as God himself forsees that they will disobey him and need to be punished most terribly. According to the Bible, all of the Israelites are still, to this day, captive in Assyria, their nation destroyed until the end of days. It bears remembering that the Bible was intended to be the curriculum for the literal /children/ of Judah (and laterJudea). Adult historians are not the target audience. X)

[@mattb5302]

The Merneptah Stele, the Only Ancient Egyptian Document that Mentions Israel 1209 to 1208 BCE

[@nier3434]

@mattb5302 that's the one I'm alluding to. It arguably says "Israel" but it's a stretch.

[@mattb5302]

@@nier3434 that's your opinion that is a stretch. I disagree

[@constantineblyuz5786]

Come on. Jews were 5%-10% of the population of the Roman Empire. Interaction with Jews exists in all the Roman sources, and before that the Greek sources. In the opposite, the "Palestinians" exist as a "nation" since 1960s, while there was a decision to rebrand Arabs into a new made-up nation.

[@eschlaik]

I learned a lot, not just about the history & complexities of Israel-Palestine, but also about how to stay focused on debating arguments & not getting side-tracked with strawman arguments or conflating topics that have nothing to do with actually undermining the disputed facts & opinions (as Cohen tended to do.) Well done, Marc 👏 I appreciated both men for staying respectful-of each other & of their audience. 👍 I have the attention span of a gnat, but I was highly engaged for the whole 1hr 10mins. P.s. the metaphor at the end of “it’s complicated” was highly effective & entertaining 😂 🎯

[@cherifsissoko5978]

0a0😊

[@dritonaliu5611]

Zios are tricky little 🪳 as you can see..

[@abumusaryan4697]

Marc Lamont. What a great interview and i really appreciate your complete understanding of this long existing issue. If only we could get these key points out there and heard but you have done a fantastic job. ❤

[@Mrhasbarafree]

European settlers cosplaying as ancient Israelites. All the verbal acrobatics and rhetorical gymnastics can't wash that away.

[@Jobbert85]

14:00 “Zionism is a Anti-Colonial movement” 😂😂😂😂 What did he smoke?😂😂😂

[@ernestkhalimov1007]

He was just trolling. That statement was just bait but Marc didnt care for it

[@PragmaticPursuits]

Hats off to both of you, this was an excellent example of two people with opposing views having an honest good faith and respectful debate about a sensitive issue. I would love to see rd 2 of this discourse as there is so much more to discuss.

[@sigilfredogaleano6568]

To mr. Cohen: stop trying to justify the terrible actions of your government. THERE is NOT an excuse for doing that.!

[@Mpc5061]

Wtf... Joseph is British not Israeli

[@vegashikelife9554]

What a short sighted comment

[@vroomcity5046]

The best point of the entire debate was when Joseph asked Marc why there was no objection to the Hashemite dynasty taking control of Jordan if it’s truly not a religious issue. Marc never gave an answer.

[@CW-xf1li]

What year were the Palestinians polled when they said the hated Israelis so much? If I were living in an apartheid state and that's the identity my oppressors go by, your gonna get hatred from me. Context matters.

[@DasPwner]

breaking news: pale translucent skinned ginger says he orignated from middle east - more at 10pm.

[@njb1952]

Palestine is, and always was, colonial. It's a European colonial name for the region. Arabs did not have the idea of a "Palestine" until the twentieth century. It was the British colonialists who drew the borders and named the place. The Ottomans didn't have a Palestine, either. Of all the imperialists who ruled the area, only Europeans had a Palestine. And it was a colony. It was ruled from Rome, Constantinople, and finally London. So Marc Lamont Hill's assumptions are European colonial assumptions. In order to see Arabs as a majority population of Palestine, you have to assume the colonial boundaries drawn by the Brits and envisioned by Europeans. Jews were a majority in some areas. Jerusalem notably and significantly. A plan of partition was drawn up to give Jews an area in which they'd be a majority, and Arabs an area in which they'd be a majority. The Jews accepted, the Arabs refused the idea.

[@skepticbeliever782]

lol nice propaganda. historic palestine existed way before the British took over. Jews were not the majority in that land for over a thousand years. Its European settler colonialism because, it's a bunch of European settlers who came to colonize the land.

[@leannefranson1198]

Thanks to both of this for doing this. It is a good discussion, and nice to hear people talk without crazy statements and hysteria.

[@Naz-M]

This guy keeps ignoring settler colonialism... and talking about how the jews were persecuted 3000 years ago. He's weaponizing antisemitism. stating majority Palestinians are antisemitic is false. I am pakistani American and i am not antisemitic. We dont persecute an entire race for what zionists are doing. This guy is clearly spewing zionist israeli talking points. Glad this was cordial.

[@rizall3061]

Marc should ask Joseph to do a DNA test.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Sounds we have a DEI/racist purist on our hands! How lucky we are!

[@azeez7034]

@@bassandtrebleclef Abraham and the Bani Israelites are not from Europe. That is not racist that is fact. There is a reason the Israeli govt does not DNA tests.

[@azeez7034]

@@laymanlinguist That has 0 to do with what I said about the Khazars in Falastin.