Margaret Barker | The School of Isaiah, The Temple, and The Book of Mormon

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In this episode Dr. Margaret Barker shares her thoughts on the religious climate of Jerusalem during the time of Lehi. She shares here belief in a group of followers of Isaiah that seemed to be in the same camp as Nephi and Lehi.
Margaret Barker has developed an approach to Biblical Studies now known as Temple Theology. Margaret Barker read theology at the University of Cambridge, England, and went on to pursue her research independently. She was elected President of the Society for Old Testament Study in 1998, and edited the Society’s second Monograph Series, published by Ashgate. She has so far written 17 books, which form a sequence, later volumes building on her earlier conclusions.
Since 1997, she has been part of the symposium Religion, Science and the Environment, convened by His All Holiness Bartholomew I, the Ecumenical Patriarch. This work has led her to develop the practical implications of temple theology as the basis for a Christian environment theology.
In July 2008 Margaret Barker was awarded a DD by the Archbishop of Canterbury ‘in recognition of her work on the Jerusalem Temple and the origins of Christian Liturgy, which has made a significantly new contribution to our understanding of the New Testament and opened up important fields for research.’
Margaret Barker is a mother and grandmother, a retired Methodist Preacher and was involved for over 30 years with the work of a Women’s Refuge.
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[@WolfWojtyla]

As a Catholic, I loved this interview, my LDS brothers! There is always so much richness revealed when people of different traditions get together for discussion, with a disposition of openness and goodwill. I look forward to more.

[@angelalewis3645]

❤

[@user-qe6el4np2w]

We as Christians, need to find similarities and come together as Christians. I agree with your comment. Cute kids!

[@GldnClaw]

One of my absolute favorite authors is Catholic, and has a surprising amount of symbolism and metaphor in his books. (Brian Jacques, Redwall series)

[@AlexBlas215]

Hey, thank you, I love building bridges and understanding between each other.

[@carlavegas887]

Aww, that means a lot in these days. Thank you.

[@Debunkedin5minutes]

We need more interdenominational discussion like this. Let's bring people together.

[@tdijon7]

I was having a discussion with some friends of mine from another denomination , and we came to the shared conclusion that our conversations were gathering Israel. This is how it is accomplished. We look towards Christ, await his coming, and those who truly love Him will follow Him.

[@StandforTruth712]

Let's listen to and follow our prophet an Q12 instead.

[@tdijon7]

@@StandforTruth712 did anyone say otherwise…? I fully sustain those men, without reservation. Nothing I said indicates otherwise.

[@ChapinaUSA]

@@StandforTruth712it’s not an either or. I stand with the prophets and apostles, and I very much enjoy these scholarly discussions.

[@loudogg73]

I loved how completely non-defensive she is. I have no doubt she disagrees with certain LDS doctrines yet didn't push back but just talked about her area of expertise.

[@sama.scraps]

She has had many contacts and visits with LDS scholars. She either “got over it”or has been open from the beginning. I suspect she was pretty open because her subject matter would require a person with an open mind and heart to study it. It’s a bit controversial.

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

You know you have an amazing guest when Dave Butler is kicking back and not saying anything during the interview. This is absolutely mind-blowing!💓👍🏻

[@PeggyWest1127]

I knew nothing about all of this until I started watching The Stick of Joseph. Now I can’t get enough of you two, David, and Mike. And to be taught by Margaret Barker!!!!!! What a wonderful way to close out my Sabbath! Thank you so much for bringing this to us. What a sweet woman.

[@jennyjeffery9483]

Check out Interpreters Foundation (fabulous conference speakers), Academy for Temple Studies, FAIR Mormon, etc. online and youtube.

[@ranzelganzon850]

AFTER WATCHING THIS VIDEO SEALED MY TESTIMONY OF THE TRUTHFULNESS OF BOOK OF MORMON AND THE TRUTHFULNESS OF THE LDS CHURCH! ❤❤❤ THX.

[@hjohnson966]

Book is blue, church is true!

[@Proteus41]

Seal it with a confirmation of the Spirit as Moroni 10 challenges us to. It will be an anchor to your soul!

[@GldnClaw]

Want to see it even more? > "Mormon Doctrine in the Apocrypha: a Concordance of Teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Extracanonical Writings" by Ken Peterson David Boylan did an interview of him a while ago

[@hazelwemper8817]

I feel that Margaret Barker’s works have taught me more about my own religion than almost any other thing I have come across…she opened my mind up in the most profound way, and enabled me to understand concepts such as the temple, Heavenly Mother, Melchizedek Priesthood, the veil etc that opened my mind, enlarged my soul, and became delicious to me. Thank you stick of Joseph…love everything you do.

[@calebadams3859]

The timing of this interview is crazy, I literally finished reading her book "The Mother of the Lord, the Lady in the Temple" yesterday!

[@zionmama150]

51:50 yes!! And this right here shows the importance and symbolism of Mary and bringing forth the new born child!!’ Oh my gosh I want to have a meeting with all watching and discuss this!

[@Adam-ww8ei]

There’s a reason Catholics and orthodox venerate Mary

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

Yes, the Catholics got that one absolutely right....​@@Adam-ww8ei

[@tb6303]

I've read several of her books, and love listening to her speak. She's one awesome woman!

[@tb6303]

@@Adam-ww8ei I didn't used to believe there was a bona fide reason, but in the last few years, I've come to believe they have kept a very important truth alive.

[@MeekloolkeeM]

Margaret came to Utah State University when I lived in Logan and she taught straight up 🔥 truths about the temple. The restoration and Church is true!

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

The Restoration is true, but the church? Check out 123 problems. Hopefully you can find the truth about the modern day apostasy.

[@JD-pr1et]

@@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm I've seen that antichrist screed. Like any of that trash, they only tell a miniscule amount of information to come to their forgone conclusion. The antichrists prey on the ignorance of people and their not knowing where to find and read the 80-99% of what they are omitting.

[@binmyrtmind]

@@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithmgrow up

[@phadrus]

@@binmyrtmindI don’t agree with him either but how about dialoguing instead of insulting?

[@shanandkyleSau]

You mean Michelle Stone, who has a dark countenance because she is choosing hate. No thanks. I listened to her once and rejected her lies. I watched a recording of Margaret Barker visiting Utah years ago and I walked away so excited to be apart of the restoration! This is so fun to hear directly from Dr. Barker.

[@MichaelGMoney]

No way!!!!! MY GUYS!!!! YOU GOT THE G.O.A.T.!!! YOU KNOW HOW LONG I BEEN DYING FOR MORE MARGARET BARKER INTERVIEWS???

[@MichaelGMoney]

For anyone curious who wants to find more of her interviews and presentations, FAIR has a few of them, and there's another channel called History Valley, Jacob the host interviews all kinds of biblical studies related guests, including the venerable Margaret Barker. I urge anyone who is interested in this subject to also grab her book Temple Theology. It's a quick crash course in everything temple. Happy templing people!!

[@EminezArtus]

🤣🐐

[@talkingscripture]

This is gonna be lit!!! Margaret and Dave!!! Thanks Paul brothers!!!

[@ashleysb3]

I love that this was Mike 😂😍

[@MissionaryScottishWarrior]

So aren't there two trees in the garden of Eden and trees have male and female trees... hmmm.... do you also know that male trees and female trees' fruits taste totally different. Bitter or sweet hmmmm.....

[@MichaelGMoney]

MIKE DAY!!! How comes you wasn't there with the boys??? That would have made it even more betterer!!

[@gingersnaps215]

@MissionaryScottishWarrior male trees don’t produce fruit. The fruit is produced from the female sex organ, the ovary, which you can see behind female flowers (either on female plants or on monoecious

[@gingersnaps215]

@MissionaryScottishWarrior I can’t edit my original post, so I apologize for the second post here, but male flowers produce pollen, which is obviously essential for fruit production. And plants that are basically hermaphroditic and have both sex organs on one flower may still need a second or third plant nearby for best fruit production, but not always.

[@royhouse1457]

It is interesting how Margaret Barker and Dave Butler interacted. Margaret seemed intent as she listened to Dave with nods of agreement and likewise Dave when he listened. Watching these two great scholars together is an amazing spiritual experience. Bringing them together is a great accomplishment. The Paul brothers were wonderful with their questions that stimulated Margaret Barker's awesome insights. Margaret treated the Paul brothers as advanced pupils and Dave as a peer. The knowledge expounded was inspiring!

[@pythonista466]

Just watched another video in which Dave was fanboying about a time that Margaret included his name in a footnote. She is his hero and he is trying hard not to embarrass himself.

[@marianneknight822]

I just about fell off my chair. How amazing is this??????

[@pythonista466]

It is interesting to hear Dave speak the language of scholarship with Margaret. He is much more restrained than when he talks on Ward Radio and The Stick of Joseph.

[@EminezArtus]

lmao this is true. True gentlemen.

[@nestanford]

I think part of it is also the fact that they had to travel to England to do this and want to get as much from Dr. Barker as they can while they are there. 👍🏻

[@barbarabailey6833]

What an eye opening experience to listen to, not only two Biblical scholars but two intelligent young men who come together and glorify our Lord! This has been a masterpiece but I also sense it is just the beginning of a great revelation from the Lord! Thank you so much.💖💫

[@OpusKingOfficial]

13 minutes in and my favorite part is watching Dave's wheels turn with occasional smirks🤣🤣 This is gonna be good

[@EminezArtus]

🤣

[@istj509]

So excited to hear from Margaret Barker!

[@isaacchamings8473]

These videos of the Dave, Mike and anything Margret Barker literally make my week when you post them

[@kimberlylawson8240]

I just finished her Temple Theology and an now reading her Angel book, she rocks, good job guys and thank you!!!!!

[@Firefly017]

Shut up!!! I have not even watched it yet and I already love it. Can’t wait!! Thank you for doing this and all the other wonderful things you are doing to bring light to the world.♥️

[@timwrightfamily740]

The scripture Dave is referring to is found in the Book of Baruch, which is part of the Deuterocanonical books included in the Catholic and Orthodox Christian Old Testaments but not in the Hebrew Bible or most Protestant Bibles. The passage emphasizes that true wisdom comes from knowing and following God’s laws rather than understanding the physical creation. Baruch 3:14 states: “Learn where there is wisdom, where there is strength, where there is understanding, that you may at the same time discern where there is length of days and life, where there is light for the eyes and peace.”

[@BehavingBradly]

Thanks for sharing the source. I love the deuteroncanonicals, I wish we included them in our LDS Bibles. We already recognize their value as stated in D&C 91 and we should be reading them.

[@aprilhigham5917]

I listened to Margaret Barker about 7 years ago and thought she was so great! Then I saw that you guys got an interview with her and I got so excited! Can't wait for the next episode!

[@papasteph3226]

That idea or realization of the woven whip is amazing. It flies in the face of the evangelical tradition of Christ losing His temper and freaking out in the temple.

[@NicoleRVincent]

This was the best thing to wake up to!!! Margaret Barker is a gift and I have loved her work for years!! ❤❤❤❤

[@user-kn6pz1dq7n]

Margaret Barker you are a humble, knowledgable person and I am so thankful to be taught by you and David today! I am reading the Old Testament and you gave me so much food for thought! I look forward to more learnings!

[@shanandkyleSau]

It makes so much sense now why the Jews rejected and, to some extent, still reject the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I'm so grateful for this discussion! Thank you to the team @stickofJoseph.

[@WhiteCleats]

To some extent? The Jews not only continue to reject Jesus Christ but they are hostile to Christianity, particularly in Israel. The very small number of converted Jews is just that, statistically insignificant.

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

Divine Infallibility fallacy Jesus was Baptised by John John was a Setian A Satanist His Father is Satan It's accusations in a Mirror Israel is a Man, not a Land

[@WhiteCleats]

You boys got an interview with Margaret Barker?!?! WOW! I cannot wait to watch this when I have quiet. She is one of my absolute favorites! THANK YOU for doing this! ETA: Your next challenge: "Jack Logan" from The Ancient Tradition!

[@guytrout7101]

All of this should be put into a book!

[@Steelblaidd]

She has several.😊

[@DavidPeel-fo9xv]

@@SteelblaiddThis.

[@Brendap86]

What?!!!?! You guys got to interview Margaret Barker???? AMAZING!! i love your content sooooo much!

[@teceyS3]

"The temple was a microcosm of the creation. Whatever was done in the temple, was for the benefit of the creation". "For this is My work and My glory- to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." This is beautiful to listen to, and draw the parallels to the Restored Gospel❣️

[@BreatheDJOY]

brought me ~ way back ~to the first time i read Hugh Nibley's " Temple andCosmos" ❤️i may find my way Again 🕊

[@pythonista466]

54:32 Margaret's conception of the temple being a microcosm of the land is the foundational premise of Brandon Sanderson's novel Elantris.

[@NateWoodbury]

This interview is Uh-Mazing!!!! I’ve been researching this topic, as a non Bible scholar, but as I study I have begun seeing this divide and contradictions in the Bible. Yet a purity remains in Isaiah. So to watch this interview is music to my ears and so confirming and enlightening.

[@sharonbauer-pp1ws]

No wonder Christ quoted and commanded those in the new world to study and follow Isaiah as he did!

[@pythonista466]

Isaiah was commanded to write in code so his writing could not be corrupted by the Deuteronomist scribes. Isaiah 6:9-10

[@Uncanny_Mountain]

The Devil is in the details At the end of the Bible the Angel of Death reverses all things ...🎉

[@paulblack1799]

WOW!!! You scored the A list of guests!

[@HighSeasCruiser]

Oh my gosh! I love this lady and her lifelong dedication of seeking truth

[@isisavila4672]

She is awesome. This is another witness about what President Nelson is teaching us about the Temple and also give a new perspective about Lehi’s Family, because you kinda of understand Lama and Lemuel and the perspective the Book of Mormon bring to us and the conflicts in our own days.

[@angelalewis3645]

Yes! True! Laman and Lemuel sure act and speak like Deuteronomists.

[@riahbird16]

What a lovely, incredibly intelligent, articulate, kind woman. So inspiring.

[@a.m.o.3323]

Love Sister Maraget. She’s a true treasure. 🥰

[@sharonbauer-pp1ws]

Great interview with Margaret. Great supportive remarks from David, too! Thanks for this wonderful conversation ❣️

[@timwrightfamily740]

I take it back, I’m so glad you have Dave there for the interview to keep it in the perspective and direction that I really enjoyed. At first, I didn’t want to take any time away from a rare interview with Margaret.

[@joshuagabrielofficial]

Thank you so much for this guys. this channel is enriching my knowledge of the gospel. Its exactly what i have been thirsting for. My testimony has been immovable for some time now and this channel among other sources are enriching my testimony to no end.🤟🏻

[@lesliebhurst]

You are all amazing 🤩! Margaret Barker is on your podcast! This is the most epic moment I've ever seen. Mic drop, guys. 🎤 WOW!

[@angelinavickers8584]

What an excellent interview! Dear Margaret Barker you are a legend, I’m highly impressed with your recollection of where things are found. May you be blessed to continue your pursuit to discover truth! Wishing the best and filled with gratitude for your testimony of our Saviour! 💜🙏🏼 from Australia. 🇦🇺

[@CapTeancum]

She's so at home with all of this, no notes, no media, perfect coerent flow of goodness and mysteries. I love how plain an simple things get revealed, it's like she speaks the language of Adam. Thank you for walking the second mile.

[@amyjo4367]

Love it! And I can't wait for the awesome content we'll get from the Best Books with Mike & Dave! Or whatever you guys decide to name the podcast! Margaret rocks & I Love you all!! Thank you so much! 🙏💝😇

[@brianbacon3106]

To try and catch up I feel like I’m in grad school again reading an hour a night in the Older Testament, The Great High Priest, Temple Theology and paul Davis Apocalyptic… Now I need to figure out how to fit in learning Hebrew. You guys are making it so hard to keep up. Can’t wait to add Jonah’s book to the ever expanding reading list! Keep going Lads I “feel the Burn!”😂

[@phadrus]

This right here is the video I’ve been wanting to see, this exact topic and these exact people! Amazing work! ❤

[@joachim847]

GUYS. I'm so happy to have a new Margaret Barker interview to watch 😊 And LIVE, with good quality? Dude 🙏

[@DoulaGarcia]

She is fascinating. What a mind!! I appreciate all of her work and effort in digging this information out! Wouldn't a panel discussion with Dave, Rabbi Joe Charnes, Margaret, and someone like Pastor Jeff be so interesting?!

[@CatchTheBuzz1]

2:00 Thank you for sharing your adorable little ones. Our oldest is 23 and our youngest is eight. No more little people for us except grandkids 😊

[@rachelczumaya2806]

This is so good! So much evidence in favor of the true Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!

[@JD-pr1et]

Dr. Barker has done so much research on original 1st temple Judaism. Awesome stuff.

[@DeCallThomas]

Now take all this and overlay on the Latter Day Church. The shoe definitely fits The conditions for which Lehi left Jerusalem The conditions when John preached in the wilderness The conditions when Isaiah preached in the wilderness The conditions when Jesus cleansed the temple See Isaiah chapter 1, thank you Margaret Barker

[@drgolfjim]

As I listen to your views and commentaries, I feel the spirit telling me He is thankful for your work and that you are describing things as they transpired in the proper way.

[@duncansh81]

I'm super excited that you guys have Margeret Barker on. I've been learning from her work and it's been eye opening. I don't agree with everything but her depth of knowledge needs to be respected, whether you agree or disagree with her conclusions. I really appreciate her work on revealing the Holy Mother to the Christian world.

[@angelalewis3645]

When this series is completed, the next series I want is you two hosting a conversation between Margaret Barker, Mike Day, David Butler, C.S Lewis, and John Milton. 😆 (If you can make that happen in this life or the next, I’d appreciate it! 😉)

[@SacaPuuntas]

Don’t forget Nibley!

[@DeCallThomas]

Wow, who else could show us this sprinkling represented both a cleansing AND stating TRUE AUTHORITY to cleans the temple!! (Isaiah 40:15?) Margaret Barker in perfect form here. Will the temple be cleansed AGAIN?

[@rocketzero2103]

Any Temple that does not have Her tree is incomplete. Which means that the restoration is not complete.

[@pythonista466]

@@rocketzero2103 There is a large plant (not living) and a lot of plant decoration motifs in every celestial room. The chandelier looks a lot like a tree with small white fruit. Look for roots in the table legs.

[@hellomrsjacobsen]

​​@@rocketzero2103the restoration is ongoing. Does not make what we have so far any less valuable! Those who keep laboring in the field will be there for the whole ride and it will be more wonderful than we can imagine. Also, the tree of which you speak is literally represented in every endowment presentation, guarded till the right time.

[@laynekoyle9272]

Love her! I got to hear her speak at the Logan Institute about The "Woman Clothed With The Sun" (Revelations 12) over a decade ago.

[@josephaney]

When I heard lady Barker tell about the prophets being somewhere east of Jordan in the south, I remembered what I had heard about the community of the people of light down in the area of Qumran where the Dead Sea scrolls were found. They had a leader who was highly esteemed. Then I watched another video that suggested that John the Baptist had been part of that community. Then later, while studying the book of Matthew and I came to the part where Jesus said that John was the greatest prophet. I wondered about that and asked the Lord to fill me in on what is missing here. It did not seem that John lived long enough to be a great prophet. So the Lord reminded me about the group of Prophets there in Qumran and told me they were true prophets who, for a very long time had been living there out of sight and out of mind of the religious authorities of the Jews and the Roman authorities. They were involved is safeguarding scriptures. Then just before Herod's order to kill all the Baby boys. The Angel of the Lord told the prophets to go to Zacharias and get John and his mother and take them with them out into the desert. When the soldiers went looking for John and not finding him they went to Zacharias and questioned him and when he would not tell where john was they killed him between the temple and the altar. So John grew up with the prophets and became their leader. He then employed the prophets in making copies of the scriptures and organized a distribution plan to put copies of the scriptures into the hands of the common people in preparing them for the coming of the Lord.

[@ashleysb3]

Woah 🤯 Is this why Dave was in LA after England...? I am watching Ward Radios interview with Dave right now, and at the beginning he said was coming back from England. Is this Margaret interview the reason he was in England?! So cool!

[@mattreedah]

I found Dr Barker a few years ago independent of lds connection and can’t believe this kind of Marvel crossover event is happening.

[@angelalewis3645]

😂 Right!? So good!

[@jacobjensen8592]

59:40 this is the key to teaching the truth. Mistakes are made but put into context. The idea that the scriptures are perfect with no contradiction is not true. They need to be understood by the Spirit of the Lord and then put into practice for veracity. Just as Alma taught in chapter 32

[@jilldowding-walker8066]

And leads to having a unity of faith, of pure truth and knowledge, as President Nelson has spoken about. All truth may be circumscribed in one whole! And will be eventually! 😊

[@bryanhaycock672]

Delightful. Thank you for your efforts with this channel. It blesses the lives of many.

[@Blacktorch27]

Margaret Baker!!!! Let’s GOOOOOO!!!!!

[@CN-pe4gz]

That’s exactly what I thought!!

[@beesharp9503]

Echoing Mike on this one, its gonna be LIIIIIIT

[@stephenmurphy3478]

Fascinating episode. Great job interviewing Margaret, what a legend!

[@CNStanza1]

I'm so stupid up until now I thought your name was Joseph, I mean I never wondered about your name, I just called you Joseph in my head 😂

[@isaacchamings8473]

The opposite of me thinking the council of Trent was just people referring to an early church council not knowing it was actually Trent Horn 😅

[@angelalewis3645]

@@isaacchamings8473 I did the same in my head with Trent Horn. 😂

[@timwrightfamily740]

Margaret is extremely unique in her scholarly background and willingness to not be in lock step protestant dogma. So it’s easy to find common ground in a search for truth however, in Protestantism in general, it’s like Deuteronomists arguing with the school of Isaiah.

[@joyexcellence]

(Oh my goodness your kids are so adorable 🤩, thanks for letting them say hi ❤)

[@bekka_2825]

So good guys. Thank you for giving me so much to think and study about. Keep it coming.

[@user-wd9oy4lz9t]

I have always wanted to hear from Ms. Baker! Her books opened up a world for me. Thank you! What a gift she is.

[@mistuhgee]

Margaret Barker laid out the basics of this in 2005 at the Library of Congress Symposium on The Worlds of Joseph Smith. It was jaw dropping at the time.

[@wadeenglund5095]

Fascinating. More of this, please!

[@sbg-golf]

I was a little taken aback when she mentioned the removal of symbols from Solomon's temple because they are also today removing certain symbols from the Salt Lake Temple and proclaiming that no future temples will have those symbols

[@amygrimm2924]

That was absolutely fantastic! Thank you.

[@zionmama150]

51:50 PLEASE explain this. I feel like this is MAJOR to understanding the temple! Pillars? Curtains hooked up? Birth veil? Oh man!!!! This is Gold!!!

[@phadrus]

Check out the recent Ward Radio round table discussion with the ladies on the topic of the temple and the veil and birth symbolism. You’ll love it!

[@zionmama150]

@@phadrus i watched that yesterday that’s how come this was so mind blowing

[@CarlosRomero-gb3ht]

I love Margaret's approach to scripture, its very honest.

[@EminezArtus]

Bro! I can't believe you guys got this interview. Keep up the good work!

[@thelacycottage5826]

Margaret Barker and David Butler! I've never turned on a video faster! This is wonderful. Thanks

[@denisekyle6603]

Wow ! Can’t wait for more of this feast !!!

[@LilLithps]

I've been wanting this interview for so long!!!

[@tinysafari1851]

Great Discussion, Have listened to in a couple of different times. Sister Baker is a keeper.

[@Migs-rc3fb]

One of my teachers in institute class have discussed this that the scriptures in the bible was been corrupted many times. Thank you Dr Barker for your research. Now I can somehow connect the dots. Thank you for your efforts The stick of Joseph.

[@juneriley5211]

You guys are amazing. Thank you for meeting up with Margaret Barker. I think it’s fabulous to have Dave Butler with her. Wish Mike Day could have been there too. You guys are the best.

[@marcihaibach5424]

Fascinating interview! Keep up the good work guys!

[@MattJenkins-jb6zp]

I love Margaret Barker, what a wise, beautiful woman, who is how all Christians should behave, constantly seeking for truth, and being led by the Lord, to discover it.

[@xrpreacher6000]

😂😂😂 6:06 😂😂😂 Watching you guys as brothers is hilarious. Hayden: ...Jackson's mic needs to move this way. Jackson: Nuh uh! Oh no you didn't!

[@CCM426]

Love your episodes. Dave and Margaret 🎉

[@jasonorton8880]

This was an amazing conversation made more amazing when I opened 4 Baruch the next morning after watching it and nearly fell out of my seat as I read chapter 9 for the first time after watching this segment and others with Dave Butler and Mike Day. In 4 Baruch chapter 9 Jeremiah offers sacrifices and then collapses and is thought dead. The people want to bury him but a voice from God tells them he is not dead. He wakes up and begins prophesying about the Son of God coming to earth and saying that he saw God and His Son. This is very much in line with the experiences of Alma the younger, Limhi, and others in the Book of Mormon. The people become enraged and want to stone him for speaking the words of Isaiah. In the end they get their way and do stone him. As far as I can tell, the earliest English translation of 4th Baruch was in 1896 but I used Google to find that date and would be interested if that is correct or not. Either way, reading this after watching this segment with Margaret Barker and other segments with Mike and Dave nearly caused me to fall out of my seat.

[@AbrahamicAstronomy]

Just wow! If you keep packing such awesome people into these episodes, they are all gonna get translated to the City of Enoch, and then where will be!?

[@angelalewis3645]

😂 Please do it! Hopefully we can all come along!

[@matthewglosenger3180]

That last statement was a MAJOR BOMBSHELL!! Why isn’t she a member yet? 😂

[@Andrek79]

I can't wait to see the next episode of this visit! Thank you for putting these discussions together. It is something I have always wanted to do & having these videos with great dialog & ideas brings so many great questions to dig even deeper. I hope I can do this at some point in the future too. Again thank you for these great videos.

[@haydenschaap]

❤❤❤ so excited for this!!

[@shelloscie]

Margaret, David, Hayden and Jackson 🤯🥳🥰🤓 Can't wait to nerd out!!! Woo hoo!!

[@ricklitchfield9484]

Can’t wait for the next episode brothers.

[@The.Prepper.Princess]

My uncle Noel is everywhere. Lol

[@therealreviewer1]

This is great. Any of you listened to the podcast, "The Ancient Tradition"? It's amazing. It talks about many of the things that are talked about here but goes back farther into antiquity....and I think Margaret is even mentioned on the program. Thanks, guys!

[@wendyfoster5579]

I absolutely love Margret Barker and all she has done from a deep study her whole life. Surprised Mike wasn’t there. He is how we found out about M Barker.

[@timwrightfamily740]

I wish I could hit the like button 100 times! One minor criticism. I love Dave Butler, I pay top dollar for his books. But you could interview Dave Butler in the US. This is a rare moment with Margaret and I would like all the time with her you can get, by the way, you can tell Margaret is impressed with Dave’s knowledge!

[@juliehorsegirl]

Thanks to all of you! I feel uplifted and closer to my Savior after hearing some explanations of things that have caused me confusion.

[@claudiahallmark456]

Reseaching the East Gate or the Golden Gate prophecies would be very interesting....