Market Situation of Lumix - Why you should not switch!

[@sdhute]

The Lumix software UI and lens prices are what always keeps me in Lumix.

[@TvBoxHead]

The crop alone is why you'll never get the most of your lenses.

[@s7evenTV]

@@TvBoxHead huh?

[@matt.banton]

@@s7evenTV 4k 60p there is a 1.5x crop

[@s7evenTV]

@@matt.banton not everyone cares about that though, I never shoot 60fps

[@Giovanni-Giorgio]

​@@TvBoxHeadMaybe. But i also take advantage of the APS-C crop to get more tele. Tele of Tele zooms lenses tend to be pretty heavy, especially on the gimbal. A razor sharp prime becomes more versatile as well. And in some scenarios i used crop to get closer for macro. But i agree, 60fps no-crop would be nice. But hopefully we get both.

[@DocBoA]

Nothing on the market worth upgrading from S5iix for the money

[@CameraRig]

@@DocBoA that's true. All other options are compromises. Less dynamic range with the Z6III or less flexibility when cropping with the A7sIII.

[@Promikes]

Don't know, looks like canons coming in a good spot

[@TvBoxHead]

​@@CameraRigThe Lumix S5 II presents notable contradictions in performance. It is credited with amazing color science despite having less color range than 4:2:2 in 6k. It boasts about stabilization but comes with rolling shutter problems. Given that a majority of professional work is done on tripods, how often will you utilize IBlS if it has to be mounted for work? You can compensate for ibis but you cannot compensate for rolling shutter and unreliable auto focus. It seems as if all its advantages come with compromises and caveats, which begs the question: what advantage does it actually have over the competition (Sony)? In contrast, the Sony A7s3 maintains consistency across features, boasting no rolling shutter, outstanding low-light performance, and reliable long-term autofocus suitable for extensive professional use. The absence of a 4K crop at any frame rate ensures consistent wide-angle coverage, allowing you to utilize 100% of the entire focal length of your lenses. Features like Clear Image Zoom achieve stable images somewhat comparable to the Lumix S5 ll despite the crop factor (lumix is already cropped so it helps with the illusion of stability). The Sony ecosystem advantage allows substantial cost savings and seamless integration within Sony's camera lineup, catering to various production needs such as seamless color matching without sacrificing image quality.

[@thelabnificentmediagroup4832]

Bro I had The A7S iii and the S5iix is Better!!! And I’ve been a long time subscriber to your platform!!!

[@TvBoxHead]

@thelabnificentmediagroup4832 s5ii seems to fit me best only for handheld personal projects. Not so much the best all around system for professional work. Everything it offers comes with drawbacks. I can't trust AF won't lose subject after long hours of sitting on a tripod. The subject could just be sitting there and suddenly it randomly loses focus and it only gets worst the longer the shoot gets or if the environment gets hotter which happens using studio lights or if the subject moves their hands a lot when they talk. Panning is not good at all. rolling shutter is so problematic for shooting anything fast like cars or sports in general and to pair that with the AF system makes it that much worst and unusable. This is even more noticeable with wider lenses. Speaking of wider lenses, you cant use your widest focal length in all modes because of a crop which is a deal breaker for me considering the price you pay for a wide prime which the L mount has very limited options of. 6k open gate 4:2:0 has less color depth than 10bit 4:2:2 in 4k, but it looks nicer out of the box than most sonys without color grading. The only notable compromise with the a7s3 was the price but after borrowing the s5ii I would much rather pay the extra price for a better auto focus and to use my widest focal length in all modes without a crop. That price comes with a peace of mind. The only benefit of the ibis is that you don't have use a gimbal when you're following a subject but that doesn't matter if AF loses the subect or if you're mounted to a tripod which most of the time during professional gigs you will be. You can always compensate for stabilization with a gimbal, but there is no substitute for inconsistent AF and poor rolling shutter performance. A7s3>S5ii for all around professional work. S5ii> a7s3 for content creators and hobbyist.

[@TopshelfJunior]

Former GH4 owner, GH5 owner, GH6 owner, current S5ii owner, and current S9 owner...safe to say, I am not going anywhere ! lol. Panasonic just has it, if you know you know ! The Lumix Lab App has been a game changer and a WORKFLOW changer for me, and once that is available on the S5ii/X it will shoot Panasonic further up the ranks once again. I am in the system, in the family, looking forward to shooting more w/ Panasonic !

[@TopshelfJunior]

Oh yeah, SUBSCRIBED !

[@IkaSafderatq]

I am an s5ii user, and lately I have started to get interested in MFT sensors, What do you think, should I stay on full frame or move to MFT? Sometimes I feel uncomfortable with lenses that are too big on a full frame.

[@TopshelfJunior]

@@IkaSafderatq Hmmm.. Interesting ! Me personally, I can't really see myself going back to MFT. For example, the GH7 looks really nice but...there are just things and times (low light) where I'd much rather have a full frame camera. If you're worried about large lenses... You just have to find the ones that aren't. There's large lenses on MFT also.. It just depends.

[@IkaSafderatq]

@@TopshelfJunior Thank you for your opinion. 👋🏼

[@harlemwoodstudios]

@@IkaSafderatqif you shoot live events, the 2x crop of MFT can give you an advantage when shooting from far distances. A 300mm MFT lens is 600mm at an affordable price.

[@ngonzale3]

I went from my Fuji Xt4s to the Panasonic S5II and so far it's been a steal of an upgrade. It's a Fuji XH2s competitor if not killer, and because of my experience with Fuji's apsc sensor, it's not a big compromise using the Lumix's crop modes. Let everyone else get the new stuff; I'll be using Lumix for the foreseeable future and will dig into the used Lumix lens market when people trade their delicious stuff in.

[@CameraRig]

@@ngonzale3 definitely a good strategy. It might happen next year. The Lumix 100mm and Sigma 50mm 1.2 L-Mount are still expensive. 😁

[@joshblck1]

I own both and the s5ii isn't an xh2s killer at all. It does offer some video-centric features that the Fuji doesn't but the Fuji's image is better. If you're talking xt4's then yes, the s5ii is absolutely better but the xh2s has insane DR, very low rolling shutter ( something the s5ii suffers from ), 4k 120p, awesome color science, amazing codecs, and a better photo experience IMO.

[@CameraRig]

@joshblck1 I checked CineD for the rolling shutter and DR. The rolling shutter of the xh2s is indeed really low but it is also APS-C. The dynamic range in medium is a little bit less than the S5II but it is very extremely impressive for an APS-C sensor. Even the Lumix GH7 cannot achieve that much DR. You can get more bokeh with a full frame sensor but you get also more rolling shutter and slower IBIS as compromise. 🐣

[@joshblck1]

@@CameraRig that DR number is without any NR. Gerald Undone’s review said with a little bit of noise reduction he still got 14+ stops of DR which was the most from any camera he’s tested. The nice thing about Fuji is their noise looks very filmic so often times people choose to just leave it in. It’s true that you can get more bokeh with a FF camera but there’s plenty of 1.2 APSC lenses for the x mount that give you a 1.8 FF equivalent. I don’t know that many scenarios where someone really needs a 1.2 or 1.4 when shooting video. I’m not trying to say that the s5ii is a bad camera at all. I just don’t think most people truly know what APSC cameras or Fuji is capable of because of YT.

[@CameraRig]

@joshblck1 yes, I definitely agree with the marketing. As many people think Lumix has the worst AF, many don't know that you can use Fuji for video. Also true regarding the aperture. Most professionals shoot at Full-Frame f4 which is maybe APS-C f2.8. Personally, I like filming at night with the Sigma 35mm f1.2 but that's a very special use case. I really like Gerald Undone's tests, as they are very factual. But he did the NR also with the Z6III and that's only partly subjective. I can also record at ProRes RAW with the S5IIx and apply heavy NR. Looking at the CineD numbers, the XH2s will leave me more highlights than the S5IIx and has just a tiny bit more noise at the medium. So you are right, it gets closer to professional cameras. But CineD is still missing the QE for the light sensitivity of the sensor. I assume SNR is only for the overall range that can be captured but does not define at what exposure. I bet the XH2S is superb when filming on a sunny day will capture all the details of the clouds. But when it gets to sunset or dawn, the ISO of APS-C needs to be increased. A full frame sensor with larger sensels can capture then the scene with a lower iso. But the same goes for the S5IIX with it's stoneage sensor. Does the latest Canon or Sony camera perform better and gives you less noise because their sensor is newer and you can shoot at lower ISO while you need to turn up the ISO on the S5IIx? For people filming in controlled environments it's no issue but with only natural light it matters. 🤔 Thank you for comments, you definitely got me to think. 😎

[@dennisvisualske]

i better buy lumix,, the camera is a beast in in video and dynamic range

[@CameraRig]

@@dennisvisualske if you don't mind the 4k60p crop, then it is a great camera. 🤔

[@dennisvisualske]

@@CameraRig the only shortcoming,,, but nikon z6iii video has shortcoming

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

@@dennisvisualske yeah, for example Nikons have absolutely no Open Gate

[@dennisvisualske]

@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 noisy raw video,, green chroma noise in shadows and 10bit codec is in long Gop not All intra. only prores 10 bit is a form of intraframe. but davinci resolve does not support this codec

[@Chris-B.]

The 4k60p APS-C crop has many advantages over full frame 4k60p with regards to image quality that I have vigorously tested. People tend to criticise the crop without providing any actual data, but I tested thoroughly over several days. The negative narrative surrounding the crop that many 'copy and paste' everywhere is simply not true.

[@Emerald_City_]

This video is incredible. I found it some time ago and watched for three times. Now one more time. Each time I have learned something. This depth of analysis is unprecedented among the reviewers on this platform. It only has 14k views, but I bet all those are veeery qualified viewers...

[@CameraRig]

@@Emerald_City_ thank you very much. I will keep it up with new videos but probably the next will be in 2025. 😁

[@Bigcookfilms]

Great video...The Nikon Z6iii is a great camera but I'm good with the S5ii. I've had 4k120 when I owned the A7Siii and I never really used it. Once I understood there will always be better cameras coming out I really started to enjoy mine. Cheers

[@CameraRig]

Yes, definitely stay with what makes you productive and happy. We are all easily excited by FOMO.

[@RawDeal-mo1ng]

This it.

[@SMGJohn]

If people cannot shoot good video with GH7 and think they need full frame to be better, then its a skill issue, not a gear issue, considering the GH7 has better dynamic range and low ISO performance than Canon 5DM3 with magic lantern. Personally, I notice a lot of people want to switch gear are not actually involved in any video or photo work. In my day GH1 was mind blowing with the hack, entire movies have been shot in it and no one is any wiser, pictures thats sold millions have been taken with GH1, sensor size is irrelevant, its just a tool at the end. There is only one camera I have immense GAS for, Panasonic G100M2

[@CameraRig]

@@SMGJohn definitely, it is not wise to switch camera to become better. Most of the time, lighting is what makes a great image and even a phone is enough. Full-Frame can make sense, if your work requires it and if you want it's features, like better dynamic range, great low-light, more background blur etc. This has of course some downsides, like worse stabilization, costly lenses, and more. So the decision between the S5IIX and the GH7 which can record internal raw (and does it crop at 4k60p?) is not easy. 🤔

[@SMGJohn]

@@CameraRig Panasonic S5M2 and Canon R8 are arguably probably best content creator cameras, very good autofocus, a pretty high price but if its your job its not a bad investment, lenses are cheaper on the S5M2 but still VERY expensive comparatively, for R8 you can adapt old Canon EF glass which work surprisingly well and are found super cheap, mint condition 24-105mm F4 for 500 dollars In Japan though I never seen or met any production studio that uses anything but Panasonic GH6 and the GH7 is sold out in every store here, people love micro 4/3 for video work. A lot of JPOP music videos are shot on Panasonic gear and good chunk of commercials as well. Sometimes a big sensor can be detrimental to keeping background blur in control, because in a professional setting you rather not blur background out completely which is why pro camcorders do not have large sensors to begin with and why Hollywood does not shoot very much with full frame gear, even medium format cinema cameras are mostly kept at F11 or F16. For dynamic range and ISO performance I agree, larger sensor is better specially if you need lot of megapixel for professional architecture, landscape and other work that needs it. But most of these buy medium format, not full frame. For average person, these are super overk*ll.

[@felixmentele]

You are absolutely right - especially of course when saying that in the end everybody as individual needs and the perfect camera for everybody doesn't exist. I have owned and loved the Lumix S1H for nearly 3 years, there even was a time when I used it simultaneously to a rented Canon R5. For me Panasonic is the GOAT when it comes to building camera bodys - they are premium quality and can be thrown in any weather conditions. Plus they are very intuitive to use and highly customizable - and have any type of connection and compatibility with external hardware you'd wish for in a modern camera. Their greatest drawback for quite a longtime for me was AF since it becomes frustrating if you see what the R5 was capable of. I also wasn't the greatest fan of the fact that you only could use 4K/60 with APS/C-Crop but you know what - this doesn't bother me that much anymore in these days. Nevertheless I have sold my beloved S1H by the end of 2022 and rooted for Canon quite a bit - but never was completely satisfied with their cameras. Most of the time I've been using the R5 and R6 and absolutely see that they also deliver a great image quality but I don't like that Canon kind of still holds back features from their photo cameras in favor of their cine lineup and their even more expensive photo cameras - e.g. 10bit HLG would have been very nice and the only bodies in their lineup which received this kind of basic feature - a fully established HDR standard - are the R5C and the R5ii. Of course PQ is kind of a big deal in the HDR game and that's what they went for in all of their cameras but I think that HLG is just more versatile for me - and makes way more sense since I can use it on literally any drone and cameras from other manufacturers on that point. Also they lack of XLR compatibility and in the end it also kind of just feels nicer to press the record button on a Lumix compared to a canon - something which also plays a role in the daily user experience in my opinion. In the mean time I would say that Panasonic brought with the S5ii an incredible camera to the table which has an outstanding price-performance ratio - if I had owned that instead of S1H I might even have kept it forever. (On the other hand: I went for S1H in the first place among other features because of the AA Filter and it might have been a good choice when I listen to your extensive recommendation of the Kolari) And you can be quite sure that Panasonic packs literally any feature into their cameras which is technically possible for the hardware. Still it would be nice if they finally upgraded their S1-lineup since especially the phase-detection AF and also features like 4K/120 and more uncropped recording formats are still missing from these cameras. But now I personally think in a different direction. Even if I love Full Frame cameras I get more and more interested in MFT and the GH7 in particular. For me this camera has it all and there are so many promising premium lenses for that ecosystem that I now plan to get fully invested into it in the upcoming year and at the moment I even think that I might never have to look back.

[@CameraRig]

@@felixmentele the GH7 is definitely interesting. I think waiting a bit until mod of 2025 could be good to see if there is more coming. If I am not wrong, the GH7 can use dual ISO readout to achieve higher dynamic range. I just wonder if we could see this technology with internal RAW in a fullframe camera.

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

BTW, Robert May (and, after him / based on his findings, some other KZbinrs) have posted quite alarming videos on the noise and shadow flickering issues of the Z6 III in video mode. He even states these issues makes the Z6 III useless for him when shooting videos. His videos are definitely worth checking out.

[@CameraRig]

@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 thanks, I will check it out. 😁

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

@@CameraRig The YT links (as expected) didn't get thru: search for the title "Nikon Z6 III Video Flickering issue (with workaround)" (by "testcams" - a follow-up) and the two Robert May links in the description

[@RawFiVideos]

Hi, you said that the gh7 has analog gain, as far as I know nobody mentioned it before, this is huge, that's the reason I use a zcam m4 alongside my gh6. Could you point me at the source about this info? Tnx

[@CameraRig]

@@RawFiVideos "dual" analog gain. I assume means part of the pixels work at high iso while others work at low iso at the same time. I don't have it in my mind, but I think I out numbers in my video when I mention things. You should find the corresponding link with the number in the description of my video. 😀

[@krishnakumarr9619]

The value u can get on the used S5 is insane ( as someone who tried selling his s5, maybe it's a local thing, but the prices they're going for used is as low as 600 dollars equivalent.

[@CameraRig]

@@krishnakumarr9619 definitely! Same in Germany. If you prefer manual focus or use a DJI Lidar and manual lenses, the S5 is great. You can actually get more out of it with a field recorder. I would recommend the BlackMagic 12G since the Atomos Ninja V has these super annoying SATA SSDs.

[@raizt1596]

Everyone wants phase detect autofocus, including me. With new S5 bodies selling under $1k, I don't think the used market has a chance.

[@polarized8708]

Yeah, I paid 899 for the S5D with the 18-40, which I wanted to buy separately in the first place for my S9 - now I keep the S5 and take it for my portrait sessions because of the possibility of shooting with flash and just using LUMIX cameras.

[@fedzciulla]

I was actually skeptical in going full frame; I always used MFT sensors in my personal cameras and super35 sensors in bigger productions, and while the constraints of MFT are quite severe (especially with the crop and poor lowlight performances), the S5, even cropped, solved most of my problems. It’s a bit annoying going APSC when ok 4k 50p, but not a deal breaker for me. I’ve seen some filmmaker using only the APSC mode, it’s not so different in performances (except for the crop)

[@CameraRig]

@@fedzciulla if you work in production with artificial lighting, MFT is fine. Even the Red Komodo 6k with global shutter is MFT. But viewing angles and background blur are better. Readout speeds are often worse. But dynamic range is better. I have bokeh addiction, so full frame caters my needs. 😂 Most cinematographers shoot anyway at f4 and not so low as you could. I also like to film walks at night on my other channel and get the most details of clouds when you have a dark foreground and the bright sky as background. 😁

[@godsakes]

One of the value options is a Sony ZV-E1, essentially a budget FX3 at around half the price and for situation where you're prepared to take a hit on the crop (approx 1.3x) you can use the new dynamic stabilisation mode which brings it much closer to panasonic grade stabilisation. It's main drawback is overheating but can be worked around with a fan mounted to the back.

[@CameraRig]

@@godsakes I think you can also use gyro stabilization with Sony which can achieve really good results but will crop 4k even more. I think IBIS stabilization is better since it does not warp the pixels. But you talk here about E-Stabilization. The 1.3 crop goes with the ZV-E1 also against the pixel surface. I think it has 4240p and goes then to 3840p which is 4k UHD. This is similar to Panasonic E-Stab normal which will still leave you with more than 4k resolution of pixels. I think the next gen cameras are getting closer to Panasonic stabilization. You are right that the ZV-E1 is a very good value option. Just add a DJI RS3 Mini for cheap and it is a serious option if there is no recording limit. I would only miss the high bit recording formats like ProResHQ to get rid of fine noise.

[@coin777]

Why do you think there will be a s1h2 ?

[@CameraRig]

@@coin777 there is a target group (professional video shooters) out there, also if it is not as big as semi-professionals or vloggers. The S1H2 could be low or high spec. For a low spec and low effort successor, they could re-use the old sensor again, add PDAF, add XLR 32-Bit as the GH7 and internal ProRes RAW recording. So I think it is more a question about what specs will the S1H2 get. 😅

[@LuisCruz-yg6rs]

This is a Very technical but great video about the current and future states of camera sensor tech

[@CameraRig]

@@LuisCruz-yg6rs thank you. The successor of the S1H is not certain so I had to do some research.

[@JoATTech]

S5II is lately around ~$1300 in my country. If I won't be knee deep in Sony E mount (in terms of lenses) I would buy two. ZV-E10 II costs the same in my country ...

[@CameraRig]

@@JoATTech if you film mostly 30p or 24p, the S5II could be a great vlogging camera (60p APS-C crop). The ZV-E10 is only APS-C, so it might not be that good at low-light. For APS-C professional use, there is the Lumix GH7. But I would wait to see what happens. I think selling Sony lenses is easier than Lumix lenses since there are more Sony shooters. The S5II and S5IIX has no OLPF, so you might want to get one from Kolari to remove moire if you film a lot of fabric, cities, things with repeating pattern.

[@JoATTech]

@@CameraRig I primarily shoot 25p (50Hz contry). And 95% scenarios I have the lighting I control, so low light does not impact me. But I would prefer FF camera instead of APS-C any day, but cheapest sony 10bit 4:2:2 FF is $2500 :(. Maybe it's easier to sell Sony lenses, but since there are more, they are cheaper used ...

[@comedy-hypnotist]

THe whole Lumix waiting game is very frustrating... As a solo performer I bought an S5 Mk1 as a temporary camera for long format videos of live events in poor light with manual focus. Press record and recover the camera 2 hours later. I can use all my fast EF lenses with an adapter so didn't have to buy lots of L-Mount glass yet. It has done a great job but I really want 6k 10 bit 4:2:2 50p no crop in decent quality INTERNALLY. I cannot have the wires and cage required by the S5IIx as the audience would think it was funny to pull them out. The S5 was a stop gap until either Canon R5ii or Lumux S1hii. Always been a Canon shooter for stills but really fallen for the Lumix video experience. Come on Panasonic - you've had the normal dress rehearsal with the GH7, now please get on with releasing its full frame big brother with 2 CFExpress cards.

[@daniellrodriguezs]

6k 10 bit 4:2:2 50p Open Gate!

[@JoATTech]

@@daniellrodriguezs RAW :D

[@thewalkingvloggingman7152]

You need all that to tell your story?

[@comedy-hypnotist]

@@thewalkingvloggingman7152 To provide the best chance of not ending up with a noisy low contrast colour banding mess - well yes. People who can shoot in “normal” light are lucky.

[@paullafleur6112]

Well researched presentation. Thank you

[@CameraRig]

@@paullafleur6112 thank you! 😁

[@JLEOY]

I really want Panasonic to allow aps-c lenses to be used in full frame mode, like sony does. With all the crop modes, L-Mount aps-c lenses with a bigger image circle will make much more sense.

[@delysid_musicPY]

How many chances do you think there are that the s1hii will use the a7siii sensor, that would be great, I'm waiting for Lumix to do that, otherwise I'll have to go for the a7siii and I really don't I like Sony and their bodies, but I need the second native iso 12,800 and 4k120

[@CameraRig]

@@delysid_musicPY well, the S5 and S5IIx have both 2 native ISOs at 640 and 4000 in VLog which is better for daylight and sunset. The Sony's second native ISO is good if you need to film at night without additional lights, so like documentaries. First, the A7sIV has to be released. But then it could be just a possibility that Panasonic can reuse the A7SIII sensor. Sales of new A7sIII will drop and by using Panasonic to sell the sensor they still could make profit. But it could also block space of manufacturing for other new Sony sensors. Also, it is not clear if Panasonic can increase the resolution somehow. 🤔 I hope we hear an announcement for beginning of 2025. Canon will release also new cameras and Nikon might incorporate Red's global shutter technology. So it will be interesting. In general, if you want to save money, then Lumix is perfect. Otherwise, Sony can give you more possibilities to spend money and get the latest tech. 😅

[@_suryo_]

I own a Lumix S1 and S5IIX. Both cameras are beast when it comes for my work (mainly documentary video). But when it comes to lens system, I prefer to be brand agnostic but rather mount fanatics. I prefer old Canon EF mount (be it Canon EF L series or Sigma Art with EF mount) and PL mount. Both mount have long flange distance and can be adapted to any mirrorless camera system. And I have enough of EF mount lenses for my work. Thus, I only need to invest in good quality mount adapter for different camera system. If (and it's a big IF) I one day in the future might decide to change my camera system to other brand, I would not need to bear that much investment burden :)

[@CameraRig]

@@_suryo_ I think Josh Cameron did some tests with EF lenses on the S5II and they work pretty well. I hope there will be more high quality lens mount adapters out here to make it easier switching brands. 😁

[@_suryo_]

@@CameraRig indeed and I can confirm Josh Cameron's finding too... my EF L and Sigma Art lenses autofocus work like a charm in video mode with Sigma MC21 or Viltrox EF-L Pro adapter. I am used to manual focus, but now with S5IIX I can enjoy video autofocus when following a character. The overly sharp footage from S5IIX (compared to my S1), is what makes me sometimes hate it hahahaha... Kolari filters are way too expensive and risky for me (import fee etc etc)

[@pixelcityart3554]

Nice video ! very informative, I bought the Lumix S5iiX when it came out on the market I absolutely love shooting with it. Its not the perfect camera but for what I do with it its great. I like to adapt my lenses to the camera. I have EF/ FD canon lenses , 1 PL lens and 1 Panasonic L lens (16-35 f/4). I'm pretty optimistic about the future of Panasonic Lumix cameras, I won't be buying any cameras for a while unless I absolutely need a 2nd camera for a production. I do feel 2025 will be an interesting year in new tech. Cheers!

[@CameraRig]

@@pixelcityart3554 thank you! I hope the Z6III will stirr up the camera market and encourage other camera brands to release more interesting models. 😊

[@SimeonKolev]

16:10 is the S5IIx having moire in 4K? It is an oversampled image so it must be clean.

[@CameraRig]

@@SimeonKolev well, you want to use 6k if you use the S5IIx because that's the point of having it instead of the A7sIII. You can crop in post and still have 4k. I don't know for sure that there is moiré in 4k oversampled. I will test it. I plan to make a video about it

[@SimeonKolev]

@@CameraRig the oversampling is resolving the moire issue always. About the open gate - yes Panasonic can do it and no Sony camera can do it (maybe the true cinema cameras can...). PS 6K in RAW and IPB can be different. I am not sure what is the resolution, I have no idea is the S5II capable of shooting 6K IPB. If it is with lower resolution than 6000pixels it might be able to reduce moire a little. For example A7sIII is 4,2K sensor and it is shooting 3840pix video which is slight oversample and is fixing the moire in most cases.

[@CameraRig]

@@SimeonKolev it's native 6k OpenGate for LONG GOP and native 5.9k for ProRes HQ. C4k is oversampled but only up to 30p. If the moire patterns aligns with the sensors pixel array, you would have the structure as colour information. I wonder how oversampling could fix this. 🤔

[@SimeonKolev]

@@CameraRig yes 6K is 5952 x 3968 which is not oversampling. 4K is oversampled all of it. 4K 60p is in aps-c and is also oversampled because 4K is 3840 and the sensor is a little over 4000pix wide in aps-c. The more you oversample the better it fixes moire. It is a processing thing.

[@nikosemmanouilidis3926]

hat about the s1 lumix ? is it forgotten ? and what about photography ? its only about video now ?

[@CameraRig]

@@nikosemmanouilidis3926 first, this channel is video only. I might scratch photography in the future with timelapses but otherwise, I will only cover video aspects. I also think photography is a very different skill as you need to capture the moment in one picture as with video you have to make a scene interesting. Gear is also different. Regarding new S1 successor: I think the S5II is kind of similar but I am no photography expert. Since they like reusing sensors, they could use the S5II sensor with PDAF and add a faster shutter and better viewfinder. This would save them cost but maybe attract some photographers. 🤷 It could also be that Panasonic gets access to the Leica SL3 sensor which is produced by Leica and adds phase detect. For photography, Panasonic has definitely a better choice from old Sony sensors. But it's all speculation. 😁

[@nikosemmanouilidis3926]

@@CameraRig o i didnt know its video orientated, im new to the channel. sorry for that.. but still very interesting, keep up the good work!

[@CameraRig]

@@nikosemmanouilidis3926 thanks so much! No worries. Maybe I do some star shooting and timelapse topics in the video. My skin LUT video could be also interesting for you. 😁

[@jisoolee4708]

facts. Facts. FACTS! Love it.

[@CameraRig]

@@jisoolee4708 thank you! There will be more fact based videos in future.

[@miloplacas]

Wish we can unlock the video aspects of the s5x on the Sony a7iii

[@CameraRig]

@@miloplacas I think at least regarding RAW video formats we could see more at other camera manufacturers.

[@nileshjaitly]

Canon has much worse dyamic range than the lumix. Also in gerald undone's video about the z6iii he did everything he could for the dynamic range and the got compareable to what the s5iix does out of the box (little over 12 stops I guess) however, in his video about the s5ii you can see after adding some noise reduction he got 13.4 stops of dynamic range which if I'm not wrong is class leading (since NR can't be turned off in sonys). For me, apart from slow motion and rolling shutter the s5iix seems perfect value plus all the filmmaking features like waveform, shutter angle, syncro scan, exposure spot reading etc. In India I've had a7s3 overheating inside studio use, also i might be blessed with a firmware update unlike sony. But it's amazing to see the competiton in the camera world. You can't really go wrong with anything, just a matter of prefrence and individual usecase.

[@CameraRig]

@@nileshjaitly this noise reduction dynamic range of the Z6III is really confusing and here and there are some complains about the Z6III. While the S5IIX is not perfect, one can live with it. I think if one wants to step up, Canon could be interesting, but I think you need to get proper lenses for $1,000 each. I am more worried if Lumix has the capability to continue their cinema line. 🤔

[@nileshjaitly]

Hey man, was typing the previous comment at 3am from India. Forgot to say, amazing value content and looking forward to much more of it.

[@CameraRig]

@@nileshjaitly thank you! I try my best. More quality than quantity. 😁

[@noopynnus]

As mainly a stills shooter that wants to dabble in videography, I wonder if I should stick with the S5IIX and wait for the S1R II (who knows if it's actually coming) down the line, or jump to A7RV or A7CR now in 2024.

[@CameraRig]

@@noopynnus that is difficult. Panasonic might release the S1R2 next, maybe we hear an announcement end of this year. I would take the next Release of Panasonic as an indicator into which direction they go. Also check your needs vs wants. Do you have any issues with your current camera or are there features that would make you more productive? 🤔

[@HGQjazz]

The only thing really saving Panasonic is the fact that upgrades from other manufacturers over the last few years have been infinitesimally incremental. If Panasonic took the sensor from the A7Siii and put it in an EVA1 body with an L mount, they'd have an easy camera to sell. A parts bin camera. But they haven't made it. I think the bet to consider is whether BlackMagic will beat Panasonic to the punch. I am ok with whichever as I have too many L mount lenses to even think about leaving the system.

[@CameraRig]

@@HGQjazz I think the A7SIII is still the cashcow of Sony. There is no camera that beats it in terms of rolling shutter + dynamic range + no crop. If Sony releases the A7sIV, they might be open to re-sell their A7sIII sensor to Panasonic to make more profit. 🤔

[@FoodTechLife]

I’m a bit of a snob for speed so the startup time and viewing of files would bother me on the lumix 😅. Not to mention the auto focus, I don’t trust it. But they offer so much value. That’s the hard part.

[@CameraRig]

This is bias you should verify if it is still true. Things changed recently. The autofocus is great. I filmed a whole wedding only on AF with lots of people and was so surprised how prefectly it worked. Only when it was dark during the party, it has some minor issues once. The startup time is true as well as the viewing of files. The benefit of Lumix S5IIx is that you can just let it run and it won't overheat. Best is if you film with a V-Mount battery. But still, switching to 4k60p takes some seconds and is annoying. I never thought about this. Thanks. :)

[@RealPivotTV]

the autofocus is fine there is nothing not to trust

[@_fxavier]

Thank you very much for the video, exceptional content! I came to the channel because I want to replace my old 6D and a ZV-E10, and I'm in doubt about the S5IIX + 24-105mm or an R6II and the same lens. They have similar prices in my country (Brazil) and there always seems to be a trade-off on one side or the other. My only point about the Lumix is ​​the use of this "very old" sensor. They could launch an S5IIIX with a new sensor, with better rolling shutter and more focus points.

[@CameraRig]

@@_fxavier thank you. Well, since they are dependent on Sony, they could, right now, only re-use the same sensor. But you are right, they could add more focus points ...and hopefully an OLPF. 😁 I also swinged between Canon and Lumix. With Lumix, you get really cheap primes when buying used. I like the full frame 60p of the Canon. But I guess the stabilization of the S5IIX helps saving a lot of handheld footage. We should still question our stereotypes since stabilization might be now better on other camera brands.

[@RealPivotTV]

Vielen Dank, sehr informatives Video!

[@CameraRig]

@@RealPivotTV thank you! Immer gerne! 😁

[@ed61730]

They need to get out the s1hmk2 asap as the top pros needs the extra video codes and no video crop.

[@CameraRig]

@@ed61730 exactly. Right now, the competition is more expensive, but next year, newer cinema cameras come out and current ones become cheaper. Videographers who want to step a level up will then think about switching camera brands if Panasonic does not give them an option. 🤔

[@kennethgooswit3697]

To my knowledge we can expect BRAW internal for the S5iixand 12 bit floating support for the S5iix

[@CameraRig]

@@kennethgooswit3697 interesting. Do you have a source for this? I would think that BlackMagic kind of compets with Lumix. But then, they could use this for marketing Davinci Resolve. 🙄

[@marin_real_estate_photography]

I don't think BlackMagic Design will license internal BRAW, unless it is for a HEFTY fee (maybe $500 or more per camera). Remember that BlackMagic Design is first and foremost a HARDWARE company. BRAW and DaVinci Resolve are products that entice people to buy BMD Hardware, whether it is BMD cameras or BMD Video Asssist, or getting people to buy editing panels, or DeckLink cards.

[@cutstopnote8cutstopnote816]

Great research and information's..thank you . Good to know Sven. I am balls deep in Panasonic- not leaving soon - feels comfortable in it :) But thanks for market update. Cheers 👏

[@CameraRig]

@@cutstopnote8cutstopnote816 thanks for the support! 😁

[@akirsch76]

As mentioned in the comments, Leica has a long-lasting technology partnership with Leica called L² Technology, not only for the lenses (L Mount Alliance). Maybe we will see a high-resolution Panasonic Camera with an SL3 sensor someday and a Leica SL3-S with the same sensor as the Panasonic Lumix DC-S5 II with built-in AF sensors. On the other hand, Panasonic is more focused on video, and Leica is more on photography. I'm also unsure if Leica uses CMOSIS Sensors for all its cameras. This was true for some Cameras, but the current SL2-S, SL3, Q3 and M11 sensors look more like a Sony image sensor variant. The Leica SL2-S has the same APS-C Limitation with 4k 60p as the Lumix DC-S5 II, so I guess the Leica SL2-S image sensor is similar to the Lumix DC-S5 without AF sensors. But it's hard to find official information about that.

[@CameraRig]

@@akirsch76 great thinking. You can check my links in the description. On the websites of some sensor manufacturers, you can see the models they produce. But they might not list the latest. I hope we see a leap in camera technology next year like with the Z6III. 😁

[@godface81]

thank you so much. Im sitting here with 10k in L mount glass and a s5iix and been regretting it. All these awesome cameras came out and im stuck here like an idiot. Im watching this now. cheers

[@CameraRig]

@@godface81 yes, that's what I also thought. There are lenses of other brands, like Meike and Sigma coming out for L-Mount, but those lens manufacturers can just change the adapter and electric connector and sell it for Sony and other brands. So it does not really matter for them if Lumix is releasing more cameras.

[@DangAlvinFilms]

What are you hoping for from the next Lumix camera? I'm sitting between with 2 Lumix Bodies a couple lenses and an A7s3 with a 24-70. If LUMIX had at least ONE full frame body with 4k60 uncropped. I'd drop the Sony instantly.

[@madmancasacreativa3]

all i want is full frame-open gate-60/120fps

[@markshirley01]

Yes same here, don't see open gate being useful until it can do that, as I am constantly in either 50p or 100p.

[@harryvlogs7833]

I don't think s5 uses same sensor as s5ii as s5ii has a PDAF sensor

[@CameraRig]

@@harryvlogs7833 could be possible that it's a modified version. I think for PDAF they use some pixels for it. Not sure if they need to physically alter it. Good point.

[@loiccardenas]

Great video with some interesting info! According to Andrea (the channel that gets somewhat accurate camera leaks), the S1H successor might come by the end of the year! My guess is that it could be a sort of S5iix with GH7 features (GH6/7 tilt screen, CFexpress, 32 bit audio). I hope I'm wrong and LUMIX manages to use another sensor that allows 60 fps un cropped haha (maybe the same sensor as the rumored upcoming DJI camera?). I'm potentially considering upgrading to FF from the GH6 if the S1h successor's good, the S9 looks like a lot of fun but I don't want to get into the full frame ecosystem without a more robust option for more robust filmmaking (the BMCC6k's is not really an option having used the Pocket 4k and not liking the form factor haha). The GH7 is also an option and investing into the excellent Lumix Leica zooms. Man, even the S1h is still great if you don't need AF but mmmm I don't know, better wait and see (always helps to save more money haha).

[@CameraRig]

@@loiccardenas great to know! I wonder why there is still no announcement or rumors directly from Panasonic. Uncropped 60p would be really important. Since you switch lens systems by going Full-frame, you could also switch camera brand. Autofocus in video is super helpful and you can focus on a lot of other things when filming with great autofocus. Maybe wait till January to see if there are other cameras being released.

[@loiccardenas]

@@CameraRig oh yeah right now I’m just gonna wait

[@JanSur]

I've been a Panasonic shooter for years, currently working with the S1H and S5II. The only thing I'm missing is full-frame 50fps. It's a shame we still don't have it. After a decade with Panasonic, I might switch to the Canon R5II.

[@CameraRig]

@@JanSur let's see next year. If there is still no successor, try renting the R5II to get a feeling for it and to better judge if it suits your needs. Also Canon glass is a lot more expensive. Maybe Sony will release a A7sIV next year. 🤔

[@adinbradic7092]

​@@CameraRigeven R5c is better for those that need 60fps. Same dr, the only downside is price for body and lenses. R5c, z8, s5iix, a7siii... its a loop where I always and up on xh2s :D It is a loop where

[@amermeleitor]

I think the L Mount Alliance could have a big step forward if DJI enters the mirrorless game as the rumours said. That way your Panasonic lenses can be used on a new DJI mirrorless. And DJI knows about video.

[@CameraRig]

There is already some collaboration going on, like the DJI Lidar can be used via RS3 for the autofocus of Lumix lenses without the DJI focus motor. There is also the DJI Ronin 4d. Collaboration would be indeed great!

[@andilenonkwelo6616]

Pls make more videos about sensor manufacturing. Not much info is online about which cameras use the sane sensor. Andy from South Africa here. Great info

[@CameraRig]

@@andilenonkwelo6616 thanks, I try. You can have a look in my description for the sources they get more information. It's difficult to find the information. I hope we see a direction from Panasonic with their next camera soon.

[@andilenonkwelo6616]

@@CameraRig I just got the fx30 and canon r5c through govt. Funding in my country. If I saw this sooner. My buying wud have surely changed

[@CameraRig]

@@andilenonkwelo6616 well, there is at least no 60p crop with the FX30. 😅

[@SimeonKolev]

15:30 What about the A7IV? It is not that bad... actually it is pretty close to the S5II and it also has ALL-I codecs... Almost the same rolling shutter...

[@CameraRig]

@@SimeonKolev yes, it is close to the S5II. But the S5IIx has even better codecs. The S5II has better dynamic range but the A7IV might have better tracking and eye AF. In this video, I am more looking for a potential successor of the S1H. Many are waiting and are not fully satisfied with the S5IIX.

[@SimeonKolev]

@@CameraRig as far as I know S5IIx had ALL-I and ProRes codecs + RAW via HDMI/USB. For me personally - RAW is not something I want and I will never use it. I shoot primarily alone or with a small team and nobody will want to fight with the RAW in post. The benefits do not outweigh the cons for most tasks. Dynamic range... I would say they are very similar and maybe the A7IV will be slightly better. The difference is so small that it is not worth mentioning. What Panasonic needs to make next is a faster sensor camera. The S5II/x is the best hybrid on the market but its sensor is from the A7III era. I really hope that they have something left to offer Sony in order to get something faster. The ideal one will be the 50mp A1 sensor but I doubt that it will happen. The 24mp from the Z6III is an option, maybe even a better one will be the 45mp from the Z8/Z9... Last time when they exchanged goodies Sony got tilt and flip screen for the A7rV and LUTs for the A7cII and models after it, than out of nowhere Panasonic got AF :D. Now they can give some other patents for a faster sensor and we are going to be happy.

[@CameraRig]

@@SimeonKolev ah, I checked the facts regarding dynamic range of the A7IV. It is indeed very similar. I guess I am also a bit biased (which I don't like) www.cined.com/sony-a7-iv-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ I like the ProResHQ codecs since they give you fine noise, close to RAW, still very big files with 1.6 to 1.9GB/s but it's very nice if you want to get back some structure of blown out clouds. But recording only to a single SSD is a bit of a headache. 🙄 Let's hope the next A7sIV will be great so Panasonic and the competition have to make a move! 😁

[@SimeonKolev]

@@CameraRig you have to test the highlight recovery between ProRes and ALL-I 264/265 codec ;). I doubt it that there will be a difference. Use controlled environment like indoors with artificial light in order to have the same light output.

[@CameraRig]

@@SimeonKolev yes, I did test it. You will get cubic artefacts from the compression if you push the highlight separation too much. With ProResHQ, you have detailed information and you can stretch the highlights more. You not have more dynamic range but you have less compression in ProResHQ.

[@jean-philippegrignom6479]

These are all pretty much the same camera, yeah the z6iii is slightly better in some aspects but i wouldn't consider it worth the hassle of switching. Same with any other mirrorless camera, unless you are considering switching to a z9 an a9 or a gfx100ii i wouldn't consider switching from the s5ii to be an upgrade.

[@CameraRig]

@@jean-philippegrignom6479 true. Only if someone needs the Z6III features for their work, it would make sense. Otherwise, Panasonic gives you the most value for money. I hope Sony will release a successor of the A7sIII soon. So Panasonic can access newer sensors from Sony. 😁

[@jean-philippegrignom6479]

@CameraRig yeah Sony is the only one I can kind of see as being an update but it's because where I live getting an fx3 gets you work because that's what all the tv shows use here. An update to a7s/fx3 would be sick

[@Promikes]

Greatest video, thank you!

[@LensForgotten]

S5IIx AF isn’t so hot when using pro mist filters.

[@CameraRig]

@@LensForgotten it uses phase detect and the mist filter might interfere. If you consider switching you should test how other cameras behave with such a filter. I like using Dehancer for bloom and halo since I do not have to commit to the look when filming but I won't get perfect physical accurate mist filter effects. 🤷

[@wtfkurtis]

Are you sure about Lumix and Leica competing? There's the L2 Technology collaboration.

[@CameraRig]

@@wtfkurtis no I am not sure, I only know what I found. You are right, there is a partnership. This could increase the possibility that we see a S1ii with the Sl3 sensor. I am curious what will happen next year. 😁 www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/332980-l%C2%B2-technology-new-strategic-partnership-between-leica-and-panasonic/

[@solarion33]

hopefully we'll get the S1H mk2 soon , Panasonic do bid their time but they have to squeeze the most out of the same platform for a few years to come .. so it better be really good , I expect more then a few optional paid upgrades.

[@sardanapalos]

a7siii has almost no rolling shutter for my use cases.... the af is far better than my s5iix .... all modes are without crop, zeiss glass at normal prices, i don't really understand how you find the s5iix so good....i watched the video just to see what i am missing...

[@CameraRig]

@@sardanapalos I do not find the S5IIX better than the A7sIII. It is only perfect for me but not for others. The S5IIX is cheaper than a used A7sIII. The S5IIX has no overheating, better IBIS, and 6k recording which lets you crop in post. But it has worth rolling shutter. If you film weddings or interviews, it is fine. But if you need fast camera movements, the S5IIx can be the worst camera for you. In the end, it depends on your use-case. There is no best camera for everyone. If you need low rolling shutter, 4k is enough, etc. then the A7sIII is the best camera for you. 😁

[@sardanapalos]

@@CameraRig the a7siii has never overheated in greek summers i am using it....if there is no 6k 60fps its like there is no 6k.... and i forgot the hdmi lag in the s5iix... i am using my s5iix for photography more than for video....and in that its still not really good ...just decent. For the money i wouldn't say it is as good as all new lumix creators are hyping this camera, lumix made legendary cameras back in the day, and now only in micro fourthirds, lets hope the S series gets a new good camera

[@OrangeHouseMedia]

@@sardanapalosis the a7s3 a better camera? Yes, but it’s certainly not twice as good. I can buy 2 S5II’s for the cost of the Sony.

[@CameraRig]

@@sardanapalos every camera might be hyped. Sure the S5IIX might be similar price like the Canon R6 (or R5) which can do 4k60p but it has better recording formats. Also the S5IIX recycles an old sensor and should be priced around $2000. It depends on your use-case. If you film only 24p for 2 hours without interruption and with no recording limit, the S5IIX is great. I got ProRes HQ with the S5IIX but high rolling shutter which I will not notice because I don't film fast subjects and I don't do fast whip pans. In the end, it depends on your requirements. I film live and need to crop a lot in post. 5.9k ProRes HQ gives me great flexibility. Also, I don't film fast subjects, so rolling shutter is no issues. Filming at 4k60p is really a downside, especially at lowlight. But then it is cheaper than the A7SIII so I can afford 2 cameras. The A7SIII is still the king of cinema cameras but it is a step up and not everyone needs it. Some people are even happy with he GH7. I agree with you that especially the 6K open gate topic is overhyped. Same like E-Stab High which crops your sensor to APS-C. (See my other video)

[@davidpossien3061]

@@CameraRig If recording 6k opengate and you need fast panning capability, you can always flip the camera 90 degrees. You will get zero rolling shutter when panning because of the way the sensor readout works. Yes you will have to crop, but is better than unusable panned footage. The other downside is that rolling shutter is now on the Y axis, so no fast tilting motion.

[@amermeleitor]

Panasonic have some advantages but price wise Nikon is the best if you buy third party lenses. There are great third party cheap lenses for Nikon and Sony system. And the most concerning thing it's the financial situation of Panasonic as a group, it is bad, very bad.

[@CameraRig]

@@amermeleitor do the third-party lenses work well with Nikon AF? For Panasonic, the native lenses work best for AF and also Canon (EF or PL?) work well. The older Sigma lenses are a bit slow but the new Sigma 50mm 1.2 should be fast. 😁

[@amermeleitor]

@@CameraRig yes, even the most cheapo ones works well. I had the first TTartisan autofocus lenses for Nikon from the beginning. Two of them stop working for nearly two months when Nikon update the firmware. But then TTartisan upgrade the firmware of the lenses and they worked again. I have tried the Viltrox 85mm 1.8 and it works perfectly fine. The Nikon adapted ones from the DSLRs are like native Z lenses if they are from newest generation, older AF-S ones function better with AF single, because in continuous one the lens motor is rough and sometimes hunt. It depends which camera you use too. The newest cameras work better, Z9, Z8, ZF, Z6, maybe because the AF is better. I haven't tried the Sony to Nikon adapter or the Fuji to Nikon adapter, but I will for sure. Just imagine the Fuji 50 f1.0 on the Nikon 😍. And Sony to Nikon, and Fuji to Nikon don't add the bulk that EF to Nikon and F to Z add to the system. So small primes from Fuji and Sony would still make a small kit

[@goawaybaizuo]

I'm really interested in the Canon R6 mkiii. It could be a true game changer. However, canon has a habbit of neutering their mid range to try and push people into their higher end. Lumix really is the most consumer friendly company. They really listen to consumers and push out good firmware updates. The other companies let consumers languish. The lumix lenses are also great value.

[@CameraRig]

@@goawaybaizuo I think renting the R6II to get a feeling for the R6III could help. Then you could see how it really performs with autofocus, etc. some people told me it is bad. Others say, it is good. 🙄 Nikon and Canon pushed forward with new hybrid cinema cameras, so we should see something from Sony in 2025. 🤔

[@halifaxzapp]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Lumix's next full frame will use the GH6 / GH7 body, like what we saw with G9ii and S5ii. Maybe a S1Hii with internal ND, OLPF and 5.76m EVF, hopefully also no/less crop at high framerate. I'm just guessing and wishing though.

[@CameraRig]

They will definitely re-use some GH7 features. It would be cost efficent to use the same hardware in another camera. Let's really hope for an OLPF! 😅

[@Nemastic]

Your sneaking suspicion is based off nothing and plainly wrong.

[@angeloplayforone]

The point that Panasonic need to invest in new sensor for their S1 range. Problem is that the are selling lowquantity. Panasonic need rouse out the box sensors from Sony to be profitable, which is not giving them any pro against Sony , Canon and Nikon.

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

Excellent video with TONS of info. You definitely deserve more subscribers! However, are you sure low-pass filters are indeed that much a must? On my S5 II, I'm almost continuously shooting (in 6K OG) - for example, on Saturday, I shot for some 6 hours - also almost mission-critical videos and have only once seen some light (just visible but in no way annoying) interference effects. An yes, I try using my lenses (20-60, 5/1.8, 28-200) at their sweet spot (optimal - closed down - aperture) for maximized sharpness / minimized CA etc. And yet - no major interference issues...

[@CameraRig]

@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 you will see it when filming repeating pattern like cloth at a specific distance. You probably were lucky that you were far or close enough. Just do a test with a friend who wears a suit or stripes and move a away. You might see it on a field monitor. It could also be that it is more present in APS-C crop mode.

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

@@CameraRig yup, maybe it's because I never shoot 60p (APS-C) as I always shoot in 6K OG.

[@1bertoimagemaker]

great video

[@eldengard23]

Nikon designs its own sensors and they are made by towerjazz since like the d750 or something like that

[@CameraRig]

@@eldengard23 the sources I found claim the full-frame sensors of Nikon are made by Sony. It could be that APS-C sensors for Nikon are done by TowerJazz. Otherwise, we could see an S1H2 with a Full-Frame sensor similar to Nikon.

[@eldengard23]

@@CameraRig yee people say that everywhere because it's a default "fact" in peoples head from DSLR days, but no, nikon went with TowerJazz from d850 onwards (d750 was a typo) so from 2017>now it's been towerjazz in everything except d7300 i believe

[@eldengard23]

@@CameraRig S1H2 can't use the 24.5 MPX TJ sensor since it's designed by Nikon, and fabricated by TJ

[@eldengard23]

@@CameraRig So the timeline on TJ sensors is from z6/d780 for the 24.5 mpx and d850/d500 for the 45/20.8 mpx sensor (it's the same just cut down and optimised for low light like z8/9 sensors are) The semi stacked is developed from the 24.5 from the d780 and the stacked 45 was developed from the d850 sensor. There were even a lot of patents from DSLR with hibrid viewfinder in the 2019s indicating a "milc tech" D880 following the D780 idea but it was canned because of IBIS and costs of manufacture of the hibrid viewfinder and it turend into Z9/Z8 project

[@CameraRig]

@@eldengard23 interesting. I googled a bit and it could be indeed a possibility. This would at least mean the monopoly of Sony is not that strong.

[@JericTamayo]

I'd rather stick with the s5iix despite some advantages of other brands. The overall usability of the s5iix is in some places more so than the other brand cameras. Except maybe z6iii

[@Abba555]

the lumix S1h is still the best mirrorless cinema camera in 2024 with low pass filter and the best colors, sony cameras are very good but they are too sharp not so cinematic more video super sharp quality but everything can be fixed in post, thanks for the video

[@CameraRig]

@@Abba555 thank you. I got the S5IIX with Kolari OLPF mod. It is pretty great and I have no more moire. 😁

[@RBullCZ]

Hmm, sometimes KZbin surprises me with unexpected new show like this one. It was oddly satisfying to watch and listen to your interesting summary of the situation, thank you for your effort! BTW, what sensor does Leica use in the SL-2s? I have been using the SL-2s for photography then I switched to Lumix S5IIX and find the low light performance almost identical and much better than Sony A7IV. But I am speaking of stills not video.

[@CameraRig]

@@RBullCZ Leica produces their sensors with CMOSIS. Not sure which one it is but it is an in-house sensor. The A7sIV has 33Mpx and therefore smaller pixels. So it's just harder to get the same amount of light in those smaller pixels.

[@bricecine]

The lumix is perfect on paper, but the way the image looks is extremely digital and the highlight roll off is awful compared to other cameras. The image stabilization and AF are also extremely robotic and distracting to me, ruining the footage.. which makes them unusable for me. Tech specs are perfect, but the image leaves something to be desired.

[@CameraRig]

I thought it has great highlight roll off? But of course I might be biased as Lumix user. The S5-series has no OLPF. A OLPF can make your footage look more organice, like the Kolari OLPF. Another option is Dehancer as plugin. I filmed the front facing camera with OLPF and the side facing camera without OLPF. Then, I applied some grades and Dehancer to get this look. But all of this is a lot of work.

[@bricecine]

@@CameraRig I think the images out of the sh1 and s5 look more organic. It’s hard to describe, but the way Panasonic deals with highlights feels very crunchy and digital. It’s a great camera, I just feel like it may limit me more than a bmcc 6k, or x-h2s. The specs are so good on the Panasonic, but I feel like the specs like ibis, af, fan, codecs, are considered more than the image quality when people pick these cameras. Coming from someone who shoots on reds, and had the original blackmagic.. they don’t have many features.. but the sensor and images produce such great quality. It’s hard for me to pick a camera. I think someone who’s starting their journey or may be a few years into it should definitely go with the lumix, it’s so affordable and the image out of the camera is amazing for what it is. I started on a canon 60d and would have loved to have the lumix 12 years ago hahah.

[@ronaldov09]

Its funny how most say the exact opposite, IBIS is pretty much the best out there. Sony has better highlights but Lumix has better shadow detail.

[@vinhsanity]

Chase skills not gear

[@CameraRig]

Also true. Lighting is most important. But you should also be aware on what you spend your money on and if it gives you the best value and productivity for your usecase/work.

[@Stefan_Heinrich]

Do you think Sony will release a fullframe camera with really good IBIS and 4K60 uncropped in 2025? Why is Sony so much behind Panasonic when it comes to IBIS?

[@CameraRig]

@@Stefan_Heinrich I do not know but I think they gradually improve their IBIS as other features. Often people compare the ancient A7SIII with the S5II and conclude Sony has bad IBIS. Also, the Nikon Z6iii has more IBIS stops than the S5II but I am not sure how it looks like in practice. Overall, a gimbal is just unbeatable and best if you do professional work while moving. I think Sony will release the FX3 mark 2 in 2025 since they produced for Nikon the Z6III sensor that beats the A7SIII in some areas.

[@waveland]

I quite often film in RAW so the Z6III internal RAW and 4:2:2 ProRes is an easy decision over the Lumix 5SII cameras. And a next gen S1H might be an interesting camera (if it ever comes to market) but the price point will be much higher. It will have to compete with the Z8.

[@CameraRig]

The S5IIx offers ProRes HQ 422 (not RAW) which is also great. But RAW gives you definitely more latitute with the Z6III, but it might have less dynamic range. The S5IIx can record RAW to an external recorder, but this adds cost and the Ninja V can sometimes crash, so I would not use it for live events. In camera RAW, like with the Z6III is definitely useful. I hope Lumix will compete with the Sony A7sIII.

[@kitbalakunprod3731]

@@CameraRig Unless you want to use the metadata of the raw. You will not have more in the raw than in the log. The two only things you have in extra with raw is : 1) you can save the files and debayeurise it later with a new color science of the same brand as you can see it with Red or Arri Two brands wich develop an new color science and workflow with their new line-up. But you can use their new color science on their old cameras because of the raw. 2) with the sony venice 2 you will have a tiny tiny difference in the specular highlights if you debayeurise with the soft on your computer and not inside the camera reccording in log. Why ? Because your computer can use all its power to debayeurise while the processeur of the camera has to do it while meany other things at the same time. But at the end if you use raw you will have to develop it in Davinci and color grade it and there for develop it in log 😂 So i don’t think Raw make any difference in regard of mirror less camera and the contexte inside wich you use it :)

[@kitbalakunprod3731]

@@CameraRig Unless you want to use the metadata of the raw. You will not have more in the raw than in the log. The two only things you have in extra with raw is : 1) you can save the files and debayeurise it later with a new color science of the same brand as you can see it with Red or Arri Two brands wich develop an new color science and workflow with their new line-up. But you can use their new color science on their old cameras because of the raw. 2) with the sony venice 2 you will have a tiny tiny difference in the specular highlights if you debayeurise with the soft on your computer and not inside the camera reccording in log. Why ? Because your computer can use all its power to debayeurise while the processeur of the camera has to do it while meany other things at the same time. But at the end if you use raw you will have to develop it in Davinci and color grade it and there for develop it in log 😂 So i don’t think Raw make any difference in regard of mirror less camera and the contexte inside wich you use it :)

[@Eissen_meteor]

geekiest chanel that algorithm gave

[@CameraRig]

@@Eissen_meteor I hope my other videos about S5IIx tests are helpful. 😁

[@Eissen_meteor]

@@CameraRig this very video absolutely settles my pub argument about the E fanboys and L gentelment about who make what and which do what.

[@CameraRig]

@@Eissen_meteor yes, I was very surprised about Panasonic Lumix' situation. It is still amazing, what they do with the sensors. But for 2025, if they reuse the same sensor, they need to provide at least an internal VND at a interesting price point to stay attractive next to Sony.

[@Eissen_meteor]

@@CameraRigyheeaa... also hope time that electronic ND from sony(forgot it's name) became mainstream soon. I tiered being shouted as AC when ask about right ND.

[@DroseMr]

Im betting on the s1h2 or dji body to blow everything out of the water.

[@thekofi1]

Very thorough video, thank you.

[@CameraRig]

@@thekofi1 thanks! 😁

[@lumixS5M2]

over 5 months there be a other new so keep switching ;) :)

[@slavakhudyakov3807]

It's not ASM-Osram, @2:27 it's AMS-Osram. Ams = Austrian Micro Systems, a company from my hometown...

[@CameraRig]

@@slavakhudyakov3807 oh no! 😱 Still one error after so many reviews. 😅 Thanks for clarifying! 😁

[@priyabratadash1833]

My head is hurting with so much info 😢😢😢 i think some demos will help. There were talk of of possibly. You have great knowledge but i think more than camera and gear professional also depend on service, reliability and after sales. There nikon and canon win. Next for me will be sony

[@CameraRig]

@@priyabratadash1833 yes, those other perspectives are also important to consider. But it's also important to know if a company can provide newer camera brands in future with ease. When you go with a brandy you are stuck with it and you should know if you can upgrade in future. Good point with he demos. I wanted to add some pictures and graphics but I had no patience and wanted to get done with this video. 😅

[@priyabratadash1833]

@@CameraRig great video by the way, I feel lenses will play a big part and where you are, i have a sigma fpl quite a quirky but great video camera too but i feel if some one is a serious videographer they will consider a s5xii Or sony fx3 though in marriages I see more nikon and canon.

[@CameraRig]

@@priyabratadash1833 thank you. With Lumix, you have an ok selection of native Lumix lenses and the recent Sigma lenses have now proper motors, like the Sigma 50mm f1.2. The S5IIx is great for weddings since it never overheats but it crops at 60p. I would get the latest Canon R5II if you have a lot of budget. The Z6III could be interesting since it has 6k60p no crop but has not the best dynamic range. Lens selection is maybe a bit bigger than Lumix. The Sony A7sIII (FX3) does not crop but can overheat. So it would be great for indie films. Either way, I would film live events always with at least 2 cameras. 😁

[@pureheartvisuals]

3 - S5 II 1 - S5 IIX For my Multi Cam Events Recent pick up S9 I’ve shot Canon, Sony, Blackmagic now LUMIX. I’m solely Focused only on my paid Clients now. All this comparison gets useless after a while. Canon lens prices hefty. Sony shamelessly bricking older cameras with Firmware updates. Real World OLPF, Rolling Shutter… shooting LUMIX, I haven’t seen it as an issue. The Crop, extends my access to additional focal lengths and no loss of light. Not sure what is your test environment but I shoot paid events at least 4 days a week and not seeing any issues you are speaking of. Sounds like LUMIX is not your cup of tea. Just move to your preferred brand no need to trash LUMIX. Real World, your speculation just doesn’t match up.

[@CameraRig]

@@pureheartvisuals I am very confused by your statement and your incorrect thoughts about my opinion on Lumix. If you watch the whole you see that Lumix is the best price-value option right now. I also state that some of the issues are no real issues. Moire artefacts appear only when you film at a specific distance. "Professional" cinema cameras like the Lumix S1H and the Red Komodo have an OLPF. You can be lucky and they do not appear. Also oversampling to 4k could reduce moire but I need to prove this first.

[@sertocd]

Panasonic the focus hunter 😆

[@CameraRig]

@@sertocd that's 100% true for the old S5 and other older models. But the S5II and S5IIx have catched up with the AF of the Sony A7sIII and tests show they are even better. I filmed a wedding on AF with the S5IIx with many people and it worked great. Nevertheless, the A7sIII is old, so catching up to it is good but not awesome.

[@sertocd]

@@CameraRig A7SIII has 1.6 stops better base ISO and significantly better consistency of razor sharp focus system. Margin of error for S3 to miss eye auto focus is limited to the length of a human eyelash which is around %5. Conversation is over.

[@polypif]

Bro's accent is so thick I have to go to sleep before watching. He deserves my full attention xD. Edit: Watched it through. Very educational, but one criticism I have is that we are leaning way too much on specs on paper, rather than actual real world use. I understand it's not always easy, but words on a piece of paper don't represent the user experience with each camera and I would encourage everyone to look beyond the spec-sheets of cameras before deciding to purchase.

[@CameraRig]

@@polypif I try my best but you can use the subtitles (CC) too. I hope the info is useful. 😁

[@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112]

Still his pronunciation is a LOT better than the average Indians etc. on KZbin. (No offence towards Indians - it's just a fact that their English pronunciation is absolutely horrible and I just can't stand it.)

[@polypif]

@@CameraRig No no 😂 I didn't mean it like that 😂 It was almost 3AM and I just didn't expect an accent so I got thrown off. But, I did sleep and watched in the morning, no CC needed 👍

[@CameraRig]

@@polypif haha! No worries. 😁

[@CameraRig]

Regarding experience: True point. Specs help you to pre-select but experience helps you to validate. While the Z6III sounds amazing, one need to rent it first and try it out to see if it has good usability.

[@rolandeyezz]

I wish DJI could just buy out Lumix from Panasonic

[@CameraRig]

@@rolandeyezz we might see more collaborations between DJI and Lumix. They already incorporated the Lidar autofocus to Lumix autofocus lenses.

[@jalensimmons2608]

Sony is the secret lol

[@CameraRig]

@@jalensimmons2608 correct and it's a bit horrifying. We are lucky that there is Canon with their own sensor production. Otherwise, we would see a lot higher prices as with Nvidia were competition is small.

[@psysword]

GH6 rules

[@CameraRig]

@@psysword it's definitely a good choice if budget and great IBIS is your priority.