My Best Friends Wife Told HIM That She Had An Affair For Me, She's Lying! r/Relationships

[@madambutterfly1997]

Josh is a moron for continuously getting back together with a serial cheater. Or is he that insecure that he feels like he can't do any better than Mary?

[@user-blob]

Agreed.

[@t.matthies3049]

It sounds like an emotionally abusive relationship. When people are in the middle of it, they're often so brainwashed by the other person they can't see things clearly, which makes it extremely difficult to leave. In other words-she has made him so insecure he doesn't think he can do better-or deserves better-than Mary. And now that she's destroyed his support system, he'll probably be going back (which I suspect was her plan when she lied about OP in the first place). I don't approve of how he treated OP, but I do feel bad for him being stuck in an abusive relationship.

[@jamesn0va]

She knows ge will come back. This is a move to sever ops friends support network

[@jmcdrawer5031]

​@t.matthies3049 sorry but I still look at that as an excuse. Josh is a grown man who'll have to overcome his hangups to not only leave that relationship but to learn what red flags are to not enter into another toxic relationship. Otherwise he's a continuous victim by choice

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

​​@@t.matthies3049 I share your opinion. I'm mad at Josh for how he treated OP and I'm very frustrated that he just won't leave Mary. ಠ⁠︵⁠ಠ But for some reason, there's still a small part of me that couldn't help but feel sorry for him. He's brainwashed by Mary, his self esteem is in tatters and now he has no support system and Mary is all he has left now. 😢 Basically, Mary got exactly what she wanted. She's won as far as she's concerned. Now, don't get me wrong. I totally get the argument that Josh is a grown man who needs to face reality, get out of that abusive relationship and get help because at a certain point, you have to ask yourself, "Is this the life I want for myself? When do I say, I've had enough?" However, we do need to remember that leaving an abusive relationship is easier said than done. Studies show that it takes about seven attempts for a victim to leave an abusive relationship. Probably more without a support system or if you grew up with a mindset that abuse is normal and you must take it in order to receive love or approval. All that being said, if I was in OP's shoes, I would distance myself from Josh, but still leave the door somewhat cracked open for when and if he finally opens his eyes and leaves Mary once and for all.

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

Dude really went all Will Smith over nothing, ruined a long lasting friendship over some cheater, what an idiot. But in his defense Mary is abusive and has now successfully isolated Josh from his support system. She even has him publicly take the blame for all the lies and false statements she’s made and will go on to continue abusing him. So sadly, Mary won this one.

[@Heydodoakskdkdjf]

i was about to say, OP never seems to correct Mary on her BS or stated that he talked to Josh about the abuse. But i have been burned before by victims i have tried to help, so i understand why he might not have done it more than once if at all - esp if Josh is more willing to physically assault the one person helping him over dumping a toxic mess.

[@shadowkissed2370]

Mary did say in front of him that Josh was abusing her when she was trying to pack her things so they both are probably abusive pos.

[@iasomnium919]

​@@shadowkissed2370Given what she's claimed before (having an affair w/OP), I'd take anything she says with a pretty big grain of salt. Josh is still a shitty idiot for trying to get violent with his friend who'd been helping him through his divorce.

[@shadowkissed2370]

@@iasomnium919 seeing how she said she was being abused in front of the man that supposedly was abusing her and he didn't bat a eye says a lot.

[@lilolmecj]

I am that stubborn friend who would still be there for my friend, even if he punched me. Josh is very foolish for allowing himself to be manipulated by such a terrible person, but he still needs his friends. Needs them more.

[@susim4503]

It amazes me that people will just believe a known manipulator and cheat but disbelieve someone who has no history of either.

[@truthseeker9249]

It's a hell of a powerful thing when someone just has you under their spell. My ab*sive ex had me wrapped around his finger and I fell for every single one of his lies all the time until I finally left him. Hindsight is 20/20 and I feel incredibly stupid for dating him in the first place and for all the things that happened between us. It's not your fault but at the same time just like in the case of addiction, other people are allowed to no longer want to be involved with you because you're going down a self-destructive path.

[@robertx8020]

Because ppl WANT to believe that someone is cheating! Because that makes for as juicy story

[@susim4503]

@@robertx8020 Yep, some people just can't resist drama.

[@wmdkitty]

OP CLAIMS to have no history of either. I know for a fact that men like him are liars and cheaters.

[@susim4503]

@@truthseeker9249 I understand that, but Josh knew she was a serial cheater and had filed for divorce. He didn't even give OP a chance to defend himself. I grew up in a narcissistic household and it took many years for me to recognise the self-destructive patterns I had developed during that time. Josh has to be one of the worst cases I have heard of. He now knows the truth but is blaming himself for her behaviour. That level of addiction is deadly.

[@GK-ob1ni]

First of all, Josh should never have married Mary knowing that she had already cheated on him multiple times. Then to instantly take Mary's word (a woman who has already proven herself to be a liar and a cheater) over OP who has been nothing but a good and supportive friend to him is mind boggling. He didn't even want to listen to OP's side of the story - just instantly blamed him and attacked him. Normally I would feel sorry for someone in Josh's situation but he brought this on himself. He doesn't deserve OP's friendship.

[@amoxcillicpsychosis2967]

What makes it worse is that he went and spread the lie to all their friends, and had them thinking OP was a treacherous scumbag. Josh could have ruined OP's life on the word of a cheater (and the friends who listened to him and sat on the sidelines aren't any better). As far as I am concerned Mary and Josh deserve each other.

[@buckeyenative1365]

Normally, I say there are two sides to every story. However, when one person is a known cheater, why would friends automatically believe the cheater instead of OP?

[@veezopolis]

Taylor doesn't GET to stay silent about the second story. She accepted the change, she can tell her husband to stop being a dick she doesn't have to support him being an ass because she's married now

[@KCohere33]

It’s seems like she doesn’t want to rock the boat yet.

[@LoveValentineXO]

She might have known the full story of why he was upset about the music change after it happened, and felt like she couldn't defend the decision without further hurting her new husband or without telling people about a personal matter without his permission. She probably could have figured it out, mind you, but I'm guessing being a newly wed, that's how she landed when it came to supporting her husband.

[@sakatababa]

wait a second, since when is it not his wedding, too? is only the bride able to get angry if something doesn't go perfect?

[@aduckofsomesort]

@@sakatababa the bride is the one who chose the song and the way it was presented, so it makes sense she would be the one to approve the change.

[@sakatababa]

@@aduckofsomesort groom planed a surprise honour for brides sister and that song was part of that. stop being obtuse and pay attention.

[@swearimnotarobot3746]

What exactly is her goal? Like if she was telling the truth, that would make the cheating worse, because she would have done it with a close friend as opposed to a stranger. And if she’s lying, then she just comes off as insane. Although since he keeps getting back together with her, maybe she knows that Josh will cut OP off but not her, and she’s trying to isolated him? Or perhaps she just wanted to hurt him. There’s only so many times that people can overlook his actions because of her. I don’t want yo victim blame, but having him in your life means having her, and no self respecting person would do that.

[@ch3rrikiss]

Some people destroy what they can't have

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

She’s abusive and has now successfully isolated him from his support system and made him to be the bad guy by having him take the blame for her actions.

[@juliearmfield2634]

She wants to destroy anything she can on her way out

[@Nathan_Bookwurm]

I'm pretty sure the endgoal was to hurt Josh by breaking Josh's friendships up as a "punishment" to Josh breaking up and throwing her out of his house.

[@squirrel670]

Take the heat off of her ironically and ruin his friendships and hurt him. Her cheating with a coworker is one thing but best friend is different because now the anger is split between people he knows. Look how he went to tell all the friends but left out the coworker bit?

[@SherriLyle80s]

Some of the worst feeling is when you're blamed for something you didn't do. It feels so much worse than actually being caught for doing something you did do.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

Yeah. It's awful. 😢

[@Gumbier_Than]

Yeah I've been there. It don't do much any more because of it.

[@WGottefried]

Lol Mary trying to play "Josh misconstrued my statement" 😂 What a woman

[@XtoverusRex]

your spelled "cunt" wrong.

[@mgaus]

It's weird how you spell rat feces as "w-o-m-a-n" since that spelling in my language refers to a human thing

[@baileycaristo1948]

He needs to sue Josh as well as Mary. I have a feeling Josh knows Mary is living but still can't bring himself to despise Mary so he chose to despise op.

[@n.g.l.]

Classic example of misplaced anger. It’s a sad way of dealing with life.

[@rekslegiune6004]

Ye imo he did more damage then his 304 wife, best part is he ain't divorcing her after bs she did, what a spineless man.

[@britnicox3929]

1: I still can’t get over the fact that this man believed his confirmed lying cheating partner - who he was in the process of divorcing for that very thing - over his lifelong friend who supported him and was there for him through the whole process. Insane. Mary may have been the catalyst, but Josh is the one who actually poisoned the well of his support system with his own hands when he attacked OP and spread rumors about him. This is on him more than Mary imo bc he knew who she was by this point and STILL believed her. I hope they make her pay the legal fees. Also side-eying all of those friends who just “waited on the sidelines to see how things panned out” instead of trying to figure out the situation or supporting OP.

[@mgaus]

That's what happens when victims have no support. Look up what support male victims of this type of abūse have... It's basically zero.

[@jackchop1576]

My former BFF's ex did the same thing and he believed it despite the fact that she tried this after she accused us of being gay. Makes no sense to me.

[@madambutterfly1997]

So it's just never her fault when she cheats on him it's always a matter of what Josh could have done better. Disgusting

[@WhitneyDahlin]

I know! It's very sad! He's in an abusive relationship. Men make up over 51% of all domestic violence victims in the United States every single year. The way men typically abuse women usually looks much different than the way women typically abuse men. And it's basically never portrayed at all in media and if it is it's pictured as a joke. Until he accepts he's in and abusive relationship he isn't a safe person to be around unfortunately. Because having him in your life means having her. And she's the type of woman to lie about SA. She's literally dangerous to be around. It's unfortunate but all you can do is tell your friend hey as long as she's in your life you can't be in mine but I'll always be here for you when you finally get out. I really think people like her should be required by law to tell others they are a menace to society and a danger to everyone around us LMAO there needs to be like a "all of my relationships ended because I'm an abuser" card

[@wmdkitty]

@@WhitneyDahlin FALSE. Men are 10% of DV victims, and 99% of those are victims of other MEN. Stop spreading lies about DV, you only do survivors a disservice.

[@mbyerly9680]

OP should have recorded himself singing the song that wasn't in his range and posted it with, "Aren't you glad I didn't sing this song at your wedding?"

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

Honestly, the way that Mary is still getting away with it is horrifying. She's able to lie and say Josh misunderstood her when she was blatantly manipulating him, meanwhile Josh is quickly turning from a victim into an enabler of Mary's abuse/manipulation. Let's hope he actually goes through with the divorce, but them arriving at OP's house together doesn't instill confidence.

[@DragonflyandTheWolf]

polygraphs don't prove innocence. Good liars are more likely to pass a polygraph test than a nervous honest person.

[@HaleyJo1992]

All you have to do is accuse me of something and I feel so guilty, like I actually did the thing. A polygraph would scream I'm guilty lol

[@amilikestea433]

It really is sad that Josh will now cling to Mary because she is going to market herself as his consolation prize after losing all his friends.

[@franciebelcher4594]

Last story. Why do ppl do that?! OP is a better person than me. Friends, good friends, for years and years, then out of nowhere u treat them badly over what? Like they're strangers?! Nope. I'm dumping that "friend "😑

[@thefallennero5265]

Story 1: Was Op's friendship with Josh already close to ending before Mary started told that bs lie cause if not, then Josh going over to OP's house to attack him for "having an affair with Mary" rather than asking if what she said was true is says otherwise.

[@TheMimiSard]

Story 2 - I think OP did the best they could, and I think they were caring about not singing off-key. The whole sister memorial is info OP did not know, so it is good that talking things out with Travis helped get through it all, and that OP was not out to destroy something they didn't know was planned.

[@stirrednotshaken4823]

“Moments later, Mary messaged saying that some statements she made were misconstrued by Josh and that what he told everyone was false.” How were they misconstrued by Josh? You flat out told him you cheated with OP. What was misunderstood? Girl can’t even take accountability for her actions! She’s placing all the blame on Josh. And I don’t believe for a minute that Josh was abusing her while she was packing. He was upset, of course, to learn she cheated AGAIN and was most likely venting by yelling at her, but “she” has to be the victim in the situation, not Josh! If this sucker takes her back again, then he deserves all the misery it will bring to him. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Kinsfire]

Second story - amazing how actually TALKING worked things out, rather than screaming about everything and assuming that OP was doing an 'all about MEMEMEMEME!' thing.

[@sophiescott143]

Story 1: Not unexpected but gotta love how Mary blames everything on Josh instead of copping to deliberate and malicious slander.

[@TheAlphaDingo]

Josh is the real villain here. Staying with a toxic witch and bringing her into everyone else's orbits so she can poison and destroy everything. He deserves all the unhappiness she brings

[@mgaus]

He's the victim. You are victim blaming. Don't do that. Mary is the villain, unless your brain is dense and derelict

[@thefiretailedweasel6206]

I think Josh's situation is really sad. He's clearly being abused by Mary and it's just sad to see.

[@markanthony1004]

The “with friends like this who needs enemies” line comes into play. OP’s wife is an inch taller than mine but like his wife my wife is like a pit bull when angry. Like truly angry

[@rachaelclark8465]

Josh and Mary story, You could have sued both. The way I understand it is Mary told Josh the lie. Then Josh spread it around. Both are guilty of defamation.

[@rebeccay480]

Story 2: NTA. Vocal ranges vary and Op prevented the walk down the isle form being awkward or uncomfortable while keeping the bride in mind. That being said, bride should step in because it is "her honor" hubby is claiming to defend. Edit. I can see why he was upset, but OP was innocent.

[@greenbeacon394]

Story 2: What’s with people who take weddings way too seriously??

[@AndreNDP]

It wasn't even the person with the request! He got offended on her behalf!

[@minisnakali]

Honestly I get it, a lot of people see it as a once in a lifetime and girls are raised to have a glorified image of how amazing and perfect it'll be. That said, OP was doing them a huge favor. He did his best for everything he had on his plate, I feel bad for everyone involved.

[@KCohere33]

Yeah, what the heck is wrong with that Groomzilla? Did he want her to sing their song badly? His wife was happy with it so what was his problem?

[@AppleStrawberryLove]

@@minisnakalias someone who does music and has been in the shoes of "sing a song that isn't a good fit for your voice," I do not give him "I did my best." He didn't. He took the lazy route. If he knows that much music, trust me, he knew how to adjust a song to his range and how to shape his sounds to be better for it. And before you go "you had time," I had a week or so to prep solo but only an hour at best to hash out strategy with my accompanist on the day of. So I have been in the crunch of "we get maybe two run throughs to iron out kinks, and then we are live." I made it work. I may have hated my performance that day but everyone else loved it. Despite the fact that it was not the exact melody due to "oof, I cannot hit that. Move it to a note higher in that chord" and it being meant for a husky voice instead of my clearer voice.

[@AppleStrawberryLove]

@@KCohere33 sorry but... there is almost always a reason behind someone changing their procession song from the traditional ones. And it's always usually a highly emotional and personal one. OP was the ass here. "Make it work" does not usually give leave to change the music program. It gives leave to change keys or otherwise modify the song to make it a better fit for the singer. And they probably know this. I have a similar background to theirs in music and voice. I never would have just changed it as my first option. I would have asked "how important is it that it be this song?" Before I went "guys, there is no way to adjust this to suit my voice." But I'm also going to point out what he did was also rude to the band. They practiced that song and he made them learn a new one on the fly. That was stressful for them at best. There are ways to change songs quickly to suit your voice (adjusting the key, finding alternate notes from the chords, altering how you as a singer attack the notes, etc) or at least make it work. I've been in his shoes. I didn't do this. I worked with the song selected.

[@pasalking7760]

So Josh got cheated on several times but attacks his best friend over baseless claims?

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

Ok. I'm glad that things got resolved. I was mad at Travis, but I'm willing to forgive him now after he actually listened to OP with Taylor's assistance. Bonus OP has a potential new gig to sing at weddings now. Happy ending in my eyes. 😊

[@safespacebear]

Story 1: Josh is such an idiot. Wow. He doesn't truly deserve defending for what he did but I will say this. It's astonishing the behavior being around a person as toxic as Mary can promote. That doesn't let Josh off the hook, he's ultimately responsible for his actions but with all the abuse and gaslighting he's experienced from his wife, he's not really him anymore. He's an emotional abuse victim. Still tho bros before....well you know how it goes. You don't throw your boy under the bus like this. Had Josh only repeated what Mary told him that would be bad but he chose to make it worse and that can't be undone. Best OP move on from the friendship tho and it doesn't sound like he's going to get past Mary any time soon

[@AndyyWithAY]

OMG!! True! If you're around my age you had that on repeat back in the day. That's a blast from the past. Travis is a major AH and he's about to get these hands. Would he have preferred OP's voice crack or other things that happen when you do not have the range?? What a dumb@$$? He owes OP a huge apology. If the song was that important to Taylor she should've been willing to do a track. OP did the best he could.

[@Araraki-Itto1]

Story 1: Josh is a pathetic simp. Enough said and OPs wife ROCKS. He's a lucky man. 👍

[@squirrel670]

He's not a simp, he's in a toxic and manipulative relationship. He's taking out his anger on op and living in denial instead of facing reality. Typical for abuse victims.

[@veezopolis]

Ops wife had to be consoled that the liar of a woman was lying about her husband instead of helping her husband. She's not that great

[@wkkowrld]

​@@veezopolis Here y'all go😭 How do y'all expect her to react when faced with the possibility that her husband cheated?

[@veezopolis]

@wkkowrld BY LISTENING TO HER HUSBAND AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE OTHER WOMAN HAD LIED AND CHEATED FOR YEARS. why should she give a random woman the benefit of the doubt over her husband? Wait till you get proof before you're a crying sobbing mess blaming your husband and putting him on the defensive.

[@wkkowrld]

@@veezopolis AND SHE DID LISTEN TO HIM, DOOFUS

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #1: Mary is a serial cheater, which also makes her a serial liar. Personally, I wouldn't believe her if she said the sky's blue. I like the suggestion of suing her for defamation of character.

[@mztweety1374]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up in a tragedy. Josh sounds ….broken.

[@OmniscientlyMe]

2. Groom sounds like a shitty friend if he gets bent over the particulars of how someone helped him in a pinch.

[@Bijecarli]

If I had ever tried to fight one of my friends over a known cheater, I think I'd go into hiding. So fucking embarrassing. I have no advice, only disgust.

[@JoJoGranum]

Mary’s goal is to cause Josh to mistrust his closest friends and to cause trouble for OP. I agree that OP needs to sue Mary. And I’d ask for punitive damages. Perhaps add Josh to the suit as well .

[@depuydt2011]

Oh man this episode came just in time for my morning commute

[@MarkNarrations]

That's what I like to hear!!

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

Story 1: You can't save someone who doesn't want to save themselves. Josh will keep choosing Mary, common sense be damned.

[@MisterNightfish]

Story 1: How is everyone so stupid that they believe this very, very obvious lie? She's a serial cheater, drama queen and liar. Why is OP's entire friend circle this dumb?

[@hodgeelmwood8677]

One of the most common things I hear about weddings is that they never quite go as planned. Something always goes wrong. While that's a broad generalization, it is certainly very common. A dress gets ripped or stained, the ring is lost, someone gets sick, the cake falls over, etc. The important thing is the marriage ceremony itself, not the hoopla surrounding it. At the end of the day, Travis and Taylor were married, and that was the actual point of it all. He can hire someone else to sing for their first anniversary if it's such a big deal to them.

[@anonmouse15]

In situations like this, demand proof. As the affair did not happen, there will be none.

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

Story 2: Can't say I'd be so willing to just forgive Travis like that. How he treated OP and acted was just so damn wild and out of touch from what happen. And it's not the sort of thing I could tolerate from a "friend". Guy's a prick who needs to learn conflict resolution.

[@WolfyFancyLads]

I just love the thought of OP1 sat there, cereal growing wet, watching his wife go apeshit on his phone via Ring camera, and then just be like "......Oh, shit! We got a confession!". XD

[@annabethsmith-kingsley2079]

Groom's got anger management problems if the song sent him into a 'deep anger' on his wedding. He needs to get his head on straight.

[@felix0-014]

He's probably mad that Taylor hugged OP

[@manunuod_ako1766]

S1 Phew! Mary seems to be a very very skillful manipulator. She says all the right words on public.

[@kerribottriell-baxter7345]

2nd story updates: Communication wins. Thank goodness!

[@kathleenmcfarlane2555]

Story 2: OP is not the A-hole. If OP couldn't sing it, then OP couldn't sing it. Ruining the wedding with a lack luster performance would have been the A-hole move. Travis needs to learn to be more flexible and roll with the punches or he is going to have a stroke one of these days.

[@veezopolis]

That second op needs to get some self respect. She can't just let people treat her like shut for her to always come back to apologize especially if they are family or loved ones.

[@andreaarchambeau9499]

A former friend, often allowed people (including his wife) to think that we were having an affair. This was a complete lie. He would say, it’s no one’s business, don’t care what anyone makes up in their head. I distanced myself from him and changed jobs. Recently, one of my closest friends and I were talking about this person. She has thought for all these years that we had an affair. It’s been 20 years but I hate the fact that someone so close to me believes this. If I was inclined to find him, i would sue.

[@babybookworm003]

Last story Taylor should have spoken up when she said do whatever make it work no tracks

[@unicorn12345]

This whole misunderstanding seems like the groom’s fault to me. He had this plan for the ceremony based on this particular song, but he didn’t share his plan with anyone in the wedding party. Also didn’t mention anything when the band singer got sick and had to leave.

[@LadyDnMiller]

There isn't anything scarier than a 5 foot nothing woman that's pissed. They have no fear, for they always look up, never down... nothing surprises them... My mom is 5'0 and that woman has no fear...at all, lmao

[@juanhaines7295]

Good day to everyone.

[@MarkNarrations]

Hello there Juan, how are you?!

[@juanhaines7295]

I'm good thanks for asking. Hope your doing well.

[@jameslyons6655]

Story one. People, if you ever find yourself in that type of situation pay close attention to how those around you react. The ones that accept rumor and innuendo as fact, cut you off without hearing your side, join the mob against you without seeing evidence, distance themselves and refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt even when the accusations are contrary to your character and/or come from shady sources…do not let these people back in when the truth comes out.

[@charliesangel1]

As someone who sings the OP is NTA if you sing a song not in your vocal range it can ruin your voice and also ruin the song for people as well. I've heard many people try to sing songs not in their vocal range and OMG NO! It can hurt your ears or give you a headache. Or just plainly sound terrible. To those who say you should of sang it regardless obviously have no idea what they are talking about. I've been in choirs taken voice lessons been in a voice class and they talk about all of that. So sorry you have to go through all of this OP.

[@janenorwood1614]

Mary knew the knife would've been covered with salt by saying she cheated with OP. She's truly toxic. My cousin had an ex they used me as a reason to get away from her because I was the closest to her

[@romonaelrod7870]

Happy Friday to all of you cheeky Waffle loving so and so's. Hiya Mark and Poppy. Much love to you all. ❤😊

[@MarkNarrations]

Happy Friday Romona, hope all is well!!

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

🤗🤗💜💜

[@romonaelrod7870]

@@MarkNarrations Hi Mark. I am doing well.

[@hotrodmercury3941]

I always have that thought in my mind that most of these are fake or overexhaggerating one side. I watched it happen to someone and met a few evil individuals. Makes me scared to move my relationship forward or have one at all.

[@angerydestroyer]

He believes his cheating lying ex then bad mouths about you? If he can’t get out of this you need to keep away from him too

[@rolliepollie00]

Good morning all! ❤

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

Have a lovely day 🤗🤗💜💜

[@MarkNarrations]

Morning

[@juanhaines7295]

Good morning to you as well.

[@megnotmegan1966]

Good morning! 😊

[@chaosshiva4165]

Josh is literally the worst kind of friend. Just a fool.

[@abelink9229]

Story 2: Groom has a secret surprise plan riding on an aspect of the wedding that cannot physically happen at the moment @ gets angry at the person who saves the moment.

[@historictruecrime5119]

You can be a professional singer if you do it enough professionally.

[@paulastiles5507]

Story #1: I have no sympathy for Josh whatsoever. Maybe he's codependent. Maybe he's just addicted to the drama. But he chose this crazy B and then chose to attack his best friend based on something she said that he had every reason to believe was a lie. Screw Josh. As for Mary, I wouldn't say she "won." I'm sure she didn't intend to get sued for defamation of character or harassed for legal fees. And now she will hopefully be much, much warier of tangling with OP and especially OP's Shiny Titanium Spined wife.

[@kateemma22]

Well, Josh is in serious danger now. Psychopaths start with emotional/financial abuse but always escalate to physical.

[@UniquaDaBackyardigan]

I cant listen to any more AITA stories. None of them are actually dilemmas, they're just stories. All of the explanations are just TLDRs and dont state why they think they're in the wrong. They're all like: "I got mugged by a friend of mine who needed money for gambling. I called the police and now he's in jail. Now his family is blowing up my phone telling me that I'm THE asshole for calling the police. Are they right?"

[@clarissagafoor5222]

Poor Josh. True, physical violence is never right, and he should never have married Mary, but he definitely needs strong friends now.

[@littleolmee]

My family had a similar situation to S1. We were friendly with our neighbors. The wife was a habitual cheater. She caused issues between us all to the point we no longer talked. Right after she started having her latest affair partner coming to their house. Her husband was a trucker & at first, we thought he'd got a delivery driver's job because the truck in the driveway was a truck for a certain brand of food, then we saw the driver & realized that wasn't her husband & that company doesn't do home delivery. The joke was that the company doesn't do home deliveries but the drivers deliver in the rear. Husband finally found out about the affair & this time he'd had it as their kids were grown & out of the house so they divorced. He got the house in the divorce & came over to apologize for everything that happened. We told him the reason she started crap was so he'd have no support & we'd have told him about the affair if he hadn't been an AH to us & that was why she made trouble. That's what happened in S1. The wife didn't want her husband to have friends & support so she made trouble.

[@shebakoby]

Josh sold his soul to a "Demon in the Sack", legit.

[@BoringTroublemaker]

As a person who majored in music, took 20 years of voice lessons, and has sung professionally- it infuriates when people treat singers voices as a product that they can demand anything from without limit. Singers have different range (and within that, tessitura), timbre, weight, agility, quality, among other things that determine what repertoire is not only going to sound good but is appropriate for _the health of their instrument_ When people assume they can just “sing whatever you want to hear” it’s gross, it’s exploitative, and it makes you look stupid.

[@reshawshid]

You know, I actually do like singing, and when I get to use the lower ranges of my voice, it does sound really good. But I have a major problem in that my vocal range is too limited for around 50-70% of music, so I never actually do it around others.

[@TsukiKageTora]

Story 1: sue the cheater for slander

[@trishagray7122]

Story 1 Mary got what she wanted Josh lost his support and succeeded in isolating him

[@SappyDuder]

Story 1: Josh and Mary made their bed and now have to lay in it. I'm just incredibly surprised that Josh believed Mary's lie when she's shown herself to be a liar and manipulator. I'd also sue Mary for lawyer fees on top of everything else Story 2: I'm a singer, not professionally, but I took vocal lessons and performed on stage for years. When a song is outside your range, there's no way to make your singing sound good. I was a surprano (now a little closer to a tenner with my HRT), if I sang a song with notes too low for me to hit, it sounded terrible. OP did what he had to, but he should've spoken with the Bride and Groom about it before hand so they wouldn't have been blindsided

[@ProtocolDroidHK47]

My question for the second story is why not just do an instrumental version of the song? Maybe I'm missing the point, but why not do that rather than change the whole song?

[@user-blob]

Yep.

[@Vipre-]

I think it might be a simple case of "no one thought of that in the moment". Hindsight is 20/20 for a reason.

[@ProtocolDroidHK47]

@@Vipre- Good point, I hadn't thought of that. It was a stressful time, so it wouldn't be surprising if that just went over everyone's head.

[@hirohiroarikawa6806]

He needs to sue both Josh and his ex they’re both spreading lies which are harmful to OP’s Also Taylor’s inaction is her siding with her husband and her knowing the full situation and not defending OP is disrespectful

[@carlossiverio3570]

Being a simp is a disease.

[@annabordelon6663]

They are not your friends and lawyer up

[@cattyanamontes5724]

Yay a snow day AND an early video. Happy Friday!

[@tedybomber1713]

Story 1 this dude Josh is pathetic. When then came by and confessed and the msg on socials he let her blame him for everything. So weak!

[@errantwinds-up8uu]

Ughhh I can't believe Josh is getting back with Mary AGAIN.

[@jacksongreen1319]

I'm about to do a lot of computer work at my job so this does help a lot.

[@MarkNarrations]

Glad it helps out getting that pesky word done

[@jacksongreen1319]

​@@MarkNarrationsI have to turn all of our illustrator files into Lazer cutter files.... So many settings.

[@MarkNarrations]

@@jacksongreen1319 Sounds like a long process! I do love Illustrator though :)

[@jacksongreen1319]

@@MarkNarrations Yeah illustrator is great! The software for the laser printer tho....

[@MarkNarrations]

@@jacksongreen1319 Any printer 💀

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

This story is just awful. 😢 OP and his wife make a great team. 💖 OP's wife in particular is such a badass! 😎 I honestly don't blame OP for cutting ties with Josh. I'm mad at Josh for how he treated OP and I'm very frustrated that he just won't leave Mary. ಠ⁠︵⁠ಠ But for some reason, there's still a small part of me that couldn't help but feel sorry for him. He's brainwashed by Mary, his self esteem is in tatters and now he has no support system and Mary is all he has left now. 😢 Basically, Mary got exactly what she wanted. She's won as far as she's concerned. And I guarantee you that she's not done punishing him yet. At this point I'm worried that this will turn into a murder case. 😰 Now, don't get me wrong. I totally get the argument that Josh is a grown man who needs to face reality, get out of that abusive relationship and get help because at a certain point, you have to ask yourself, "Is this the life I want for myself? When do I say, I've had enough?" However, we do need to remember that leaving an abusive relationship is easier said than done. Studies show that it takes about seven attempts for a victim to leave an abusive relationship. Probably more without a support system or if you grew up with a mindset that abuse is normal and you must take it in order to receive love or approval. All that being said, if I was in OP's shoes, I would severely distance myself from Josh, but still leave the door somewhat cracked open for when and if he finally opens his eyes and leaves Mary once and for all.

[@FlamesofRebirth3836]

S1: I have no sympathy for a guy that just shows up swinging instead of trying to get answers, especially when he knew his (ex?) wife couldn’t be trusted. He didn’t deserve getting cheated on but as far as his support system goes, he brought this on himself.

[@littlegreycat]

16:36 this must be the "terrible friend" episode lol.

[@squidward6187]

This drives me crazy: for some f*cking reason people always believe liars. My mother was a HUGE liar and they knew she lied, they never believed the lies about people they liked, but when it came to me they always believed her lies - I suppose because they wanted to. As my mom always told me, "I'm at the bottom of the totem pole" meaning I had the least value in the family because I'm disabled and they don't like people with disabilities, they only respect strength. I'm glad it worked out for him. I certainly will never achieve that sort of vindication but stories like this help me feel better.

[@aerynn7191]

I love listening to your videos! Running errands, doing household chores, or simply lying awake while everyone else sleeps (lol)... your vidoes give my anxious mind something to focus on. It helps IMMENSELY with intrusive thoughts. Thank you so much for posting! My husband has even started listening to them with me

[@Akemi.24-45]

Heeeey, Mark and Poppy! Big hugs from Japan. ♥️🤗

[@MarkNarrations]

Hey hey Telinha, hope all is good!!

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

🤗🤗💜💜🤗🤗💜💜 have a lovely weekend telinha 💜💜🤗🤗💜💜🤗🤗

[@paperkay]

interesting friends you've got there, buddy. And your wife ... If some lying, manipulative, cheating chick came to my home and said she's sleeping with my husband, I'd laugh at her face and told her to get professional help.

[@BUGt95.]

Sue for defamation

[@n.g.l.]

Story 1: Classic case of seeking a scapegoat to misplace anger. It’s horrible, and honestly someone has to be at a low place to go that route. Sometimes people need to hit rock bottom, *ALONE,* for them to realize they’re wrong.

[@Me-wk3ix]

How do you just believe your wife like that when you know she's cheated on you multiple times? I feel like given her consistent lack of character, a conversation was warranted with your good friend before you punched him out based on nothing but her word.

[@wildridegaming874]

Story 2: Tbh I think Taylor while talking to you seemed ok, but in private with Travis she has expressed her disappointment.

[@impishrebel5969]

Throwing arms around someone in a hug is NOT a "disappointment" spur of the moment reaction, dude. If she were actually disappointed she wouldn't have faked it to that extent, she would have smiled tightly and said something like "Thank you." If there's one thing in these stories it's that people are actually bad at hiding their true feelings, except for the psychopaths.

[@dragonrider1549]

@@impishrebel5969you obviously haven’t heard of masking. Not only am I personally an expert at doing exactly what the commenter suggested, I know several others who are also experts. When you do something long enough, it becomes as simple as breathing. It’s something you typically learn in the adult world, especially when you work retail, as sometimes it’s better to just avoid conflict.

[@felix0-014]

​@@dragonrider1549masking is a thing but Taylor & Travis would need to be absolute psychos to be this mad over OP having to switch over one song to make sure that their music didn't sound like a bad American Idol audition. Disappointment that things didn't go as planned is normal but ghosting your friend who did you a MASSIVE solid is a dick move

[@dragonrider1549]

@@felix0-014 if you agree to do a favor and you change the favor, that is not doing a “MASSIVE solid” if someone agrees to help me plant roses around my house, they would be an A-hole if they decided to plant tulips instead. And you seem to be forgetting that getting married, it’s everyone’s goal to make it a once in a lifetime event. Meaning that moment that was dreamed about is now dead and buried, never to be seen again. So yeah, I would be pissed too. While ghosting is indeed excessive in this case, the husband had every right to be angry.

[@felix0-014]

@@dragonrider1549 I 100% disagree. It is a solid. OP was not the original singer who had an emergency. They stepped up to the plate to help out at the absolute last second. OP could have refused all together and they would have been SCREWED. If you asked your friend to replace your landscaper and asked them to plant a bunch of Roses and they did a TERRIBLE job you would have been pissed anyway. This was a lose lose situation and they had to improvise regardless.

[@clairebear-96]

Happy Friday! I hope everyone’s doing good and if you’re in Oregon like me, surviving this ice storm haha - I haven’t had work (daycare) since last Thursday! My power was out last night but just came back thank goodness

[@PuReGhOsTT]

She needs to be jailed ASAP

[@leiliabug5240]

Good morning everybody! I hope everyone has a good day!

[@charliedelfino2102]

Story 2: NAH the friend went above and beyond to try to accommodate the bride and it was no ones fault that was the situation they ended up in. However, as a musician, i believe it would have been far easier to transpose the song into a key that would fit OPs vocal range than to change songs entirely. The band should have pointed that out but who knows if they had a say.

[@bellasmom2597]

Josh is just as toxic as Mary. He knows she cheats and lies and remains with her.

[@browniewin4121]

1) Well that is sure messed up in so many ways. Best friend is an idiot to know his wife lies and cheats, yet believes her over his happily married, morally upstanding friend. To attack OP is disgusting, the cops should have been called, and now his wife should also be facing a defamation suit. It is awful that his wife had any doubts, and that many friends also believed this BS. After update: It's good OP got a good attorney to be able to get the truth to come out in the quickest and best way. For the friend to still be in contact with his scummy wife is pathetic, and showing up at their door was unacceptable, but now having the Ring Camera evidence is good. It's also good to know who true friends are, and remove toxic people. 2) I think OP did the best they could, and as the bride was happy, the groom should have also been happy and grateful, not acting like such a jerk. After update: Good for OP for being so reasonable and understanding, and communication making this rift mend.