Marlin Dark vs Henry X .45-70

[@chuckhaskins5928]

The music during the slow motion scene was awesome!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaKkiKSMoc-frNEsi=xXFTL0K2mC4931Ag I wrote it for a friend's star wars fan fiction that they never did.

[@brutalbob3982]

I have a Henry, I wouldn't trade it. Nice comparison Chuck.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You Brother

[@KBell119]

I wanted the marlin, but couldn't get one when they were gone for a few years. I ended up with the henry. I think you'll be happy with either one.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Me too.

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍Thanks Chuck, I own Henry’s and marlins in various calibers (not in 45 70) and I don’t have a major complaint about any of them. Both of those look like really good rifles.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@YellowHammer26 thanks Lance!

[@Sausketo]

4:25 i had a 45lc henry first, but i live in md and took it hunting in the rain, and didnt dry the gun well enough before putting it away, now it has surface rust all over, so when i went to get the 45-70, the all-weather was a no brainer

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Makes sense

[@3wheelmannc860]

I agree with your statement of the "outdoor" tool... That coating should be more durable... The marine coat would be my choice...not as tactical cool, but more durable... It is very nice that options for upgrades are readily available for both to customize for personal taste.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Might get it o.d. green cerekoted at some point.

[@phild9813]

I agree as well. There’s a place for shiny bluing and pretty wood, but that’s not what these rifles are.

[@languagesource355]

I use microcrystalline wax on mine (outer surface). Renaissance or E.J. Wheaton. It's made for the purpose. Cleans off superficial rust and protects from moisture. Invisible and not tacky to the touch. Protects wood, too. But otherwise agreed, I'd prefer stainless or marine for this type of tool.

[@Eye_Guard]

I'm really liking this video. Also really like your Henry X setup. On Henry's specs for that X 45-70 the barrel length lists at 19.8" so wanted to check with you about that. Keep up the great work that you do with your videos 👍

[@curmudgeinnak]

Friend in WIllow bought the Hendry and put the tactical furniture on it. So far he seems pretty happy with his.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

He should be. Now tell him to get an Anechoic Anechox-45L Suppressor from my link lol!

[@ChristopherStockton-r9i]

Just bought the Marlin Dark and haven’t even picked it up yet. I own the Marlin Trapper and the Guide and love them. I own a Henry in 30-30 w side gate and a Henry 22 great gun too…. Lever rifles rule

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I hope you really like it! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend

[@triggerbarPhD]

I have the Henry and have put some of the Ranger point precision furniture on it and have a dead air primal with it. Fun guns.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice! I've got a Hybrid 46 and Anechox-45L that I put on it now

[@jonprice7759]

My marlin dark series has a very touch time ejecting the spent round or even live rounds. It's like something is hanging up making me pry the lever open

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Hmmm? Remington made or ruger made?

[@helterskelter156]

Love the X in 45-70. Better safety, easier to empty mag. Shoots most of my loads as well as factory ammo real well. I also have the Comet on mine, but kept my sights stock - the fiber optics do me just fine.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah my factory sights didn't have enough adjustment. Otherwise I'd have left them alone too

[@helterskelter156]

@ I suppose you’re referring to windage? I did have to adjust elevation a bit, especially for the 400+ grain loads.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

My sight bottomed out.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Couldn't lower it anymore

[@danoneill2846]

I would like solid 18-20" barrel

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Makes sense to me

[@kirkchartier7141]

**I still think a slide action Remington 7600 rechambered for 45-70 with a 10-round magazine and a 16 inch barrel (you could also do recoil reducing stocks) would be better than an levergun. And you wouldn't have to break your firing hand grip to cycle the action. **The lever guns tend to be too expensive for what they are. **Although if a shotgun can feed off of two tubes the Kel-Tec and the Smith & Wesson and it's Fore-runner the Neostead. **Why can't somebody do that with a lever gun?

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

I am no Remington historian but I do not think any of the Remington slide action rifles were originally chambered in a cartridge that would lend itself to a .45-70 conversion. The box magazine would be an entirely different matter even if the rifle could be converted, which is not possible as far as I know. Certain bolt, lever and single shots are the options that have a measure of economy and make sense at present.

[@kirkchartier7141]

@hillbillyscholar8126 yes originally it was chambered in .243 .270 .308 and 30 06 I believe, **Remington really missed the boat in not trying to make them patrol rifles, with the majority of the commonality with that in the Remington 870 back in the 80s and 90s and early 2000s before the AR become so prevalent. **They will probably have to change the magazine a little bit and make it more of a forward slanted magazine ( like the Ruger PC) rather than a straight feed to keep the cartridges from rim locking.

[@Sausketo]

Ive thought about that idea, like if i was a gunsmith how could i make a double tube action work with a side loading gate, something like side by side tubes, left loads first then right, then the action feeds from the right tube until its empty then feeds from the left tube, would be nice to have 8+1 instead of 4+1

[@kirkchartier7141]

@@Sausketo yes great minds think alike, better to have doubled the rounds, in roughly the same size. **Kel-Tec, S&W, and Neostead have already worked out the problems, it's just a matter of adapting it to a smaller cartridge. **It would also make the Henry Axe actually worthwhile if it had the dual tube feeds. Otherwise you can get a Taurus revolver for cheaper and easier to reload, shoot (no need to work the lever to get a shell to shoot just pull the trigger). **The only plus to the axe is longer barrel, slightly more velocity. **And while they can put dual loading ports on the R&L sides To make it look somewhat like its predecessor. **They can also put the loading gates on the bottom of the receiver.

[@languagesource355]

Re: rust on the Henry. Yes, I kinda hate that they're using blued steel vs. stainless or some type of nitride finish on an outdoorsy gun, at least with polymer stock, but it is what it is. I use E.J. Wheaton Microcrystalline Wax, (same thing as the Renaissance wax) on both of mine - Henry side gate 45-70 with walnut furniture (not threaded) and the identical X. The wax protects wood and metal, cleans off superficial rust. I've been in the rain with the walnut one. It's fine. Larry Potterfield of Midway has a nice demo video of Renaissance wax. I use it on everything now.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's awesome. Thanks for the info! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours!

[@languagesource355]

I have the identical Henry X 45-70 and a walnut stocked Henry Side Gate 45-70 (not threaded). Both are far more accurate than shown in this video, but I mainly use Hornady Leverevolution 325gr - my deer cartridge. Scopes are zeroed for it (having magnification might be part of it). I've fired other loads, including +P, but did not pay attention to precision. I guess you could say that I got those two for the price of a Marlin (got'em both at great prices). If not for Henry, I probably wouldn't own a 45-70, just too expensive.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I'm glad yours has great accuracy! I've gotten better accuracy from these as well in the past. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!

[@richki.24]

I always wanted a lever rifle ..

[@petermac0505]

Own the ruger trapper, seems a cut above the competition in my opinion.

[@mtower235]

The Henry has a trigger bar safety on the hammer. The tube is great for unloading. I like the Marlin buttstock but the action isn’t as smooth which shouldn’t be with modern technology. I just don’t know which one I like better.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I'm sure that Marlin just needs a little polishing

[@ΛεωνάνδροςΠεργαμενός]

I heard that the new marlin dark series have actually a very smooth action....🤔... haven't had yet my hands on it though.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@ΛεωνάνδροςΠεργαμενός this, one didn't. Probably just needs a good cleaning

[@blksn8k]

I have a Henry Long Ranger in 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm not a fan of the lack of a crossbar safety. When using this gun in a hunting situation (which is what I bought it for), if you want a round in the chamber while on stand you have to work the action to first get that round in the chamber which also obviously cocks the hammer. The only way to lower the hammer is by first pulling the trigger to release it and then hope that you don't allow the hammer to slip and cause the gun to fire. I use both hands for this operation, one to hold onto the hammer and the other to pull the trigger. I've practiced doing it with one hand and an empty chamber and I've had it slip way too many times to trust doing it that way with a round in the chamber. I also have a scope mounted on the gun which reduces access to the hammer even more. I've also added a hammer spur to add extra material to hang onto. And I sure as hell wouldn't try doing this with gloved hands. Bad design IMO.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That is what the cross bolt safety was built for

[@blksn8k]

@@AlaskanBallistics I've argued with Henry salesmen about this more than once. All they ever say is that their system is safe and there is no need for a cross bolt safety even though they have admitted that the gun could fire if the hammer slips while the trigger is still in the "pulled" position. I have kept all of my correspondence with Henry in the event that God forbid there is ever an unintended discharge with something bad happening as a result. I otherwise really enjoy shooting this gun despite the safety issue but I really do not understand Henry's logic on this. Not in this day and age of predatory liability attorneys. All it would take is one bad accident to put the company in jeopardy.

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

I declare my CCH Henry the winner...for me anyway.😉 Both rifles are interesting but ultimately neither is for me. I understand why people gravitate toward them but my Marlin 1895 kicks plenty hard enough in standard configuration. My Henry is far more pleasant with heavier loads. The low hits from the Extreme Penetrator could be due to barrel time if the rifle had been sighted with a significantly heavier projectile that is moving at 1700 fps. or so. Thanks for sharing!👍🙏❤

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice

[@CodyHill-y1m]

Can't go wrong IMO... But I'd definitely go with the Ruger MFG Marlin, but I'd go Guide gun. The velocity gain of the bit of extra barrel makes me feel better (even if it doesn't make a difference in the real world) plus... these guns are too busy for me. For a lever gun I want a wood stock and it to be as sleek & simple as possible... if you want a magnified scope, get a bolt gun. I wish they still made a walnut stocked, blued Marlin with a 20"-22" barrel. I'd run Buffalo Bore 300gr JHP for deer & 430gr Underwood +P FP for everything else

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It's not the magnified scope we want, it's red dots, lasers and lights. All faster than a peep sight. Slick wood will get scratched; might as well have a working man's gun, not a show safe queen.

[@languagesource355]

Why? Scopes have been put on lever guns for as long as lever guns existed. It just depends on the purpose. I certainly like the slick cowboy guns in revolver calibers and the Model 94, and the guide guns with irons. I have RDS on some of them and irons on others. And I have LPVO on my two 45-70 Henrys, for deer. LPVO's are awesome on lever actions. Walk with 1x for quick acquisition. Zoom in for the shot when in position. Wouldn't be my choice for bear, but I don't live in bear country.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@languagesource355 exactly!

[@GregoryJ89]

Sweet guns. That birchwood range ?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No Maud road

[@dustinmuldoe1170]

You can unload the marlins through the side loading gate

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Interesting. Thanks

[@dustinmuldoe1170]

@ no problem, it's one of my favourite features on them.

[@dukenukem69]

I have a Henry big boy brass in 357 and the new marlin 1894 sbl in 357 and out of the box the henry is so much smoother.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice!

[@ChukesOutdoorAdventures]

First

[@AlaskanBallistics]

You're so fast

[@ChukesOutdoorAdventures]

@ that’s what she said

[@AlaskanBallistics]

🤪

[@bearman000ify]

Any chance you could try the 460gr Grizzly +P's?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@bearman000ify no, I've shot a lot of their ammo and have noticed dangerous QC issues. Not putting it in my gun.

[@joegarcia8447]

Hey So Hayes Put This Same, Gun Marlex, Henry Nature, How Many round It Hoult Ford rounds Or Five rounds Thank You

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Mine holds 5 in the tube, one in the chamber

[@joegarcia8447]

Wow, I just saw my text. I can’t believe you understood but thank you so yeah I just purchased the model X chambered in 4570 and I didn’t ask them. How many rounds does it hold but I believe it’s the same as yours. It looks identical. it’s a 20 inch barrel I believe so great I thought it would only take four. I don’t know. I made the assumption but thank you very much. Keep up the great videos, you inform us a lot

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@joegarcia8447 thanks my friend! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!

[@ryans.simpson5701]

If only ammo wasn't so expensive for this thing. 😅

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@ryans.simpson5701 true, but it's still cheaper than getting mauled by a grizzly bear.

[@bigslinking]

457 WWG Magnum is what you want. It still shoots 4570 and 410 2 3/4" but the 457 Magnum is much more powerful, it ain't no joke. Sterling has used ones regularly they are always in the wood case with two glass doors by the front register. You don't have to get the "takedown guides choice co-pilot" just wait till you see a non-takedown used they are much more reasonably priced used. This is the best place in the world to find a used rifle from Wild West on the cheap "under 2g" on consignment at gun shop. One question is that "maudRD"?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yep Maud Road

[@RichB804]

That 45-70 kick pretty hard?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yes, really hard with full power loads and no muzzle brake. Muzzle brakes help a lot. There is lighter powered ammo as well.

[@languagesource355]

A tad more than 30-06 with some loads :) Especially painful when seated at the bench. Not so bad standing up, off hand. There are certainly 12ga slugs that are worse.

[@talkeetna911ify]

Thanks Chuck I would take a stainless steel over both of those for Alaska .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not a bad idea at all!

[@chumpchange00]

Fab

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Which means?

[@chumpchange00]

Great video.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@chumpchange00 thank you

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

[@Outlander18]

which is your official twitter or X account? There are several claiming to be your accounts

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I only have one @AKBallistics

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I do have a backup

[@weedeater6946]

I like that Henry ... I like that Marlin too.... dang it ! ha

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@weedeater6946 they're both nice.

[@walterkurtz9719]

Model X

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yes!

[@pabloco091]

I cant believe it's all over the place with that Winchester ammo😂😅

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Probably me or the red dot sight

[@pabloco091]

@@AlaskanBallistics meh🤷‍♂️

[@danoneill2846]

Ruger

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good choice

[@jaysilber910]

HATE the big loop!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Why?

[@jaysilber910]

@ it’s ugly and doesn’t fit my hand.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@jaysilber910 fair enough

[@bearman000ify]

Small loops are murder on your knuckles with heavy loads!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@bearman000ify very true

[@BuffRANGE]

Big LEAD SLINGER

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yes sir

[@876mpr]

I wonder how our grandfathers got along without all that sh!+ on their lever guns.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Just fine, but we're faster and more accurate in defensive situations.

[@ThecrazyScotsman]

Don't think I've ever shot anything "good" from Winchester ammunition

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I had an A4 hbar build that shot their 55gr ballistic silver tip loads phenomenal... about .75". But it shot hornady 55gr tap at .277" edge to edge. I had 5 witnesses to me shooting that group, but one of them is my ex-wife, so 4 reliable witnesses

[@ThecrazyScotsman]

@AlaskanBallistics 😂😂😂👊🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@michaelthompson7570]

Change thumbs up,,,,that god awful music ,over the top……

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Which one where?