Mars Automatic Pistols

The Mars pistol was designed by Sir Hugh Gabbett-Fairfax in England in 1898, and only 81 were produced by the time manufacturing ended in 1907. These pistols were chambered for several different cartridges, all of them tremendously powerful for the day (and really not equaled by another self-loading pistol until the Automag).
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[@megadeth22885]

too heavy, too much recoil, too unreliable, poor ergonimics... its a 100 year old desert eagle

[@megadeth22885]

Moss Foster no, they dont.. not unless the only ones you have experience with are in video games

[@todorkolev7565]

+megadeth22885 I am ex-army and I own a Desert Eagle in .44Mag. It is a pleasure to shoot and I don't see how any revolver could ever match it.

[@megadeth22885]

Todor Kolev then you need to get a revolver

[@todorkolev7565]

megadeth22885 I still keep my 686. Sold the 624 as I found myself too often pulling cartridges out of it to put in my DE. I think it's a matter of all the trigger snobs out there. I got training on a standard issue M16 and mine was after the previous grunt over-cleaned the coatings away so the trigger was grinding. Still, no big deal...

[@megadeth22885]

Wyatt Tyson american/israeli team up?.. you mean like dual citizenship holder diane feinstein?

[@Eralen00]

I like how he still does a safety check with a gun using a proprietary cartridge made over a century ago

[@ILikeToLaughAtYou]

Eralen00 it’s a good habit to have. I have proper trigger discipline when using an electric drill lmfao. A good firearm owner and user’s good habits subconsciously follow them into every part of their life.

[@andrewyork3869]

@@ILikeToLaughAtYou good safety practice for firearms should be conscious and automatic.

[@MagnificoGiganticus]

Every gun is always loaded.

[@bjm1219]

I was actually incredibly offended by that

[@Eralen00]

I know, you can't be too safe when it comes to guns, it just gave me a chuckle. I know there were some guns from the civil war found loaded, and some of them accidentally/negligently discharged for that matter.

[@HandleMyBallsYouTube]

The military wanted him to make his giant boom sticks smaller, he refused, I can kinda respect that.

[@SPNKR76]

i respect a man who has a big boomstick

[@viriatrix9874]

With such mechanism he could have made the first assault rifle or self loading carbine, just lack a little of imagination I guess 🤔

[@aquarius5264]

@@oliverhohman2208 fried brain

[@johnchalleen3278]

@@aquarius5264 He might be drunk...I've seen that before.

[@johnchalleen3278]

@@SPNKR76 Caliber or length?

[@Volvith]

This thing is essentially magazine-fed, handheld miniature artillery, and I LOVE IT.

[@RMCbreezy]

That was my kinda my thought. I wondered if this would be way more practical at a larger scale

[@lucianene7741]

To add insult to injury, it actually ejected spent cartridges backwards, straight to the shooters' face, so he would get more than just a broken wrist. Sir Hugh was clearly inspired by field artillery when he designed this piece, too bad he didn't think of adding a hydraulic recoil buffer of some sort.

[@DougCanney1]

And maybe a cappuccino machine.

[@hughquigley2666]

Dangit, shoulda thought of that

[@deleteduser87]

Wear a mask

[@hunter_of_man6613]

Theres a very short list of things I wouldnt do for a hydraulic bullpup pistol from 1900

[@frenchfry7896]

Mmmm, hot brass.

[@JoeTheVenezuelan]

"Only 80 were made" Battlefield 1 be like "Oh, you mean they were super common and should be available in our game?"

[@MiikeyLawless]

hahaha true story. its not like they have a shitload of guns to put in the game though.

[@jupitersscourge]

Who said BF games ever had to stick to common weapons? They have rare or even unused weapons like the AN-94 or AEK-971 available for use in BF4, and they even had a weapon that was completely fake. Rare guns is what BF is about.

[@JoeTheVenezuelan]

Red Star Films Some of us hoped BF would go back to their old ways along with their "era" decision.

[@smowl2679]

There are maximum 64 people in a BF1 game. 64

[@JoeTheVenezuelan]

Mike Baker Flawless logic right there. I would love to hear more about the "All Mars" battalion of WWI

[@robertwhaley8069]

This gun belongs to "filthy herald" the British version of "dirty Harry"

[@connorross123]

This is the funniest comment I've read in weeks, why does this only have 4 likes

[@BillBodrero]

@@connorross123 I was thinking the same thing.

[@LozzerGuide]

or a .577 Tranter ;-)

[@Drew-kx7yf]

Oi bloke you feelin lucky

[@michaelmckinnon1591]

In the same caliber as Dirty Harry's Smith and Wesson model 29 no doubt.

[@JeanMarceaux]

"Looks about as British as his name sounds" *looks nearly identical to Ian*

[@jojojojo4332]

The name ian is also very very British

[@trefod]

Looks like artillery pieces with handles.

[@aleramone23]

Lol true.

[@TheAirBudd]

trefod Mars Portable Field Guns

[@Gauge167]

trefod absolutely gorgeous

[@samilahidjako1795]

trefod mini canon

[@ZGryphon]

With that crazy magazine system, they're basically tiny naval rifles.

[@Mr.Ford3350]

Jesus Christ, this gun is a disaster with all those moving parts. I want one.

[@JS-311]

Mr. Ford lol

[@larry4707]

Mr. Ford I NEEEED IT

[@hunglikeahorse120]

This actually made me laugh. Well done sir. *tips hat*

[@Bob5mith]

The Bond Arms BullPup9 (Boberg XR9-S) is a little pocket pistol, but it has a similar feed system to get the longest possible barrel in a tiny gun.

[@redwolfexr]

Heh. its not like you are needing to worry about actually SHOOTING it. Proprietary cartridges for a weapon with 80 examples in 4 different calibers? Yeah, those will never be fired again.

[@godlessprophet5808]

220 grain bullets at 1,200 FPS, absolutely beautiful.

[@bloopy6166]

How many ft lbs would that be?

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

@@bloopy6166 703.3 ft-lbs at the muzzle.

[@TimberWulfIsHere]

Damn, too bad the eye can't see above 500 fps

[@bloopy6166]

@@MrBlueBurd0451 🥵🥵🥵

[@yuriyromaniw6629]

It looks like someone saw a gun on a navy ship and said, "I bet I can make a hand-held version."

[@littlemikey46]

Fun story, several months ago I was part of a small team making a mod for the indie game RimWorld. I had the job of writing descriptions for all the new weapons the mod added. One of the guns in the mod was the Mars Pistol, which I had never heard of before, so I googled the name to research it and found this video. I've been in love with your channel ever since, I'm learning new stuff every day. Thanks heaps for making these videos!

[@littlemikey46]

Luuk Willems Project Armory. Not sure if it's still going since I haven't played RimWorld in a while.

[@jakem4579]

LittleMikey fun story lil kitty

[@NinjaInTheFirstDegree]

LittleMikey oooh I love that game have 400hrs in it!!

[@evanwickstrom5698]

I used that mod! Damn, fun times.

[@littlemikey46]

@Augusto Cejas I don't remember sorry, it was a while ago now.

[@Treblaine]

Amazing, a Victorian-era Desert Eagle.

[@NobleBandit]

@@engineerskalinera Assassins Creed Syndicate says no to you.

[@theorganizer1273]

He meant the cartridge it fires... and the recoil... it’s definitely a Desert Eagle... guaranteed...

[@nicolataino2003]

@Treblaine Gotta kill your opponent with _style_

[@mr.randomperson9900]

“The lad was straight tripping and wielded his cutlass so I drew my blicky and blasted the bloke where he stood.”

[@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing]

That's no sidearm. That's an 1883 Navy breech loading cannon with a pistol grip and a 57mm Bofors feeder.

[@Yorihime]

Thanks to you I was able to succesfully use a MARS pistol in a French gunshop (it had a lot of surface rust but nothing to severe). The mechanism is really stiff but I managed to try to see the disconnector in action with the "keep the trigger pulled" thing. Even the seller wasn't aware of that feature. You earned my Patreon sub . I wanted to do it since I'm following your wonderful channel for now a year or two but I was always pushing it to tomorrow.

[@kvproductions2581]

You actually fired it? :0

[@Yorihime]

@@kvproductions2581 The shop owner actually told me that if I was able to find ammo for it that we could go test the gun. Unfortunately I never found any kind of affordable ammo for it.

[@kvproductions2581]

@@Yorihime That is SUCH a shame. I hope during my lifetime someone shoots one of these and records it for humanity to enjoy

[@sumvs5992]

Gotta say, the slide coming back and revealing every single thing inside the gun, and the rear of the slide looking like it's a good 10 cm out of the gun is crazy

[@Original-Phantom]

is this the dessert eagle of 1900s

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Mmm...dessert....

[@josef733]

Ahaha, gold

[@Wolvenworks]

it shoots ice cream bullets. boot to the head flavor

[@bullzebub]

aactually.. i would say its more the boberg of the early 1900s.

[@Original-Phantom]

Forgotten Weapons thank you for that

[@josephk.4200]

Automatic lifting action long recoil. Insane. He's a madman. A wonderful madman.

[@peterbaxter2913]

Of course he was a madman; dammit all, he was BRITISH!

[@retrogamelover2012]

>in stereotypical cockney accent< Oi! That's enough of ya lip, gov'nah!

[@Mothking1993]

We cannot have growth without individual loonies who are willing to break convention!

[@noahgreen5200]

The idea of the cartridge being pulled out the back and then pushed into the chamber makes me think Boberg took some inspiration in his pistols

[@l33tnobody1337]

"It's kind of like shooting a cinderblock." That made me laugh so hard

[@Hippownage]

I love the retro-futuristic, steampunk look of this gun. Reminds me of Dishonored. Insanely cool pistol.

[@bobhonkhonk9843]

You're thinking of the prey stun gun

[@AdamMGTF]

You realise that steampunk is an application of last technology into a modern naritive? Steam punk looks like this. Not the other way around :)

[@shroomz2411]

This is the most powerful pistol in assassin's Creed syndicate

[@zoeyuroboros5739]

@@AdamMGTF one looking like another thing does not prevent that other thing from looking like the first thing. its a two way relationship.

[@AdamMGTF]

@@zoeyuroboros5739 no.... It's not. Look up the definition of steam punk. It is a style that references old technology. Old technology is not trying to be steam punk. It can't use steam punk references as by definition it was designed long before steam punk was created.

[@kitchsc]

One day ian gets a phone call Ian: hello? Dice: Thanks for the gun ideas for our next game.

[@n1zm0]

He was in the credits actually for BF1 ;)

[@steveny8071]

wait really?!?!?

[@n1zm0]

American Operator yes search bf1 credits on yt, it's in the 'special thanks to' section

[@hankmoody9041]

lol pretty much. Wait till we get the DLC

[@lucignolo8333]

Even the description of the gun in bf1 say some phrases that ian said

[@Randsterone1]

My dad has one (had one he's been gone since 1988) and he had lots of ammo for it, he emphasized the fact that the right ammo was most important to working correctly although we did shoot American ammo through the gun and I only remember it functioning perfectly. Loud, very powerful and would hurt my hand afterwards! Loved shooting it.

[@DaTwinkie405]

"The ergonomics are... not terrible, but it's kinda like shooting a cinder block." LMFAO

[@williamhayden7711]

The pistol operates strangely like a cannon (howitzer) with a feed mechanism. The grabbers invoke images of the Kriss. I wonder if this pistol served as any inspiration.

[@michaelmckinnon1591]

In the original both breech and block cycle.

[@mcFreaki]

looks like the guy who designed these was the jeremy clarkson of gun design

[@scottlynch9842]

+sans more power!

[@_yellow]

Salty *POWER!*

[@233kosta]

That's... actually a surprisingly accurate assessment!!!

[@robrober2]

geoff?

[@PeferG17]

POWAH!!!!!!

[@willrogers3793]

I’ve always had a fondness for the Mars, even though I never knew all that much about it. This video just endears the Mars to me even more. Lots of larger-caliber handguns are referred to as “hand cannons”, but the Mars is the only one I know of that recoils like an actual artillery piece. Much like the cartridge LeMat revolver or the 37mm Hotchkiss rotary cannon you showed recently, I would consider the Mars to be a “Rule of Cool” weapon; the kind of weapon where it’s just so inherently weird/unique that any questions of obsolescence or impracticality are rendered moot. Excellent video, thanks very much for shedding some light on such a cool and little-known weapon!

[@anotheruser676]

It's as if someone pondered "can we miniaturize a naval artillery cannon?" Sir Hugh Gabbett-Fairfax - "hold my warm beer..."

[@bmouch1018]

I would like to say that this the first time I saw Gun Jesus. I was a freshman, interested in engineering, only slightly educated in guns. So, when I saw an article about an early auto-loader, I was interested, to say the least. The engineering and complexity astounded me. I was hooked instantly, and this channel has taught me so much. Even as a novice shooter (with more talent than skill) I understand how guns work better than those trying to teach me. I guess this is a thank you to Ian. Thank you, kindly

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+Brandon Moucheron I like nothing better than educating the enthusiastic. :)

[@scribejackhammar]

Forgotten Weapons Kinda want someone to handmake reproductions of this handgun. I did ask Copper Custom in Valparaiso, Indiana if they have apprenticeships available, and they might have it as a summer opportunity.

[@joshuaradick5679]

With the early semi-automatic pistols being so complicated I have an even greater appreciation for John Browning.

[@acester86]

You should check out C&Rsenal's videos on the development of the 1911, the earlier designs were a lot more complicated and prone to failures.

[@alifr4088]

@@acester86 but at least it isn't as crazy as this

[@acester86]

@Alif R agreed. If I was gonna pick an early auto pistol I'd probably go with a Luger.

[@Doc_89]

If you look at them, they are the precursor to the desert eagle - they have almost the same profile and mechanics.

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

Similar looks, mechanics, yet better caliber margins, reportedly the Mars had either a 10 or 8[or 9] round capacity depending on the calibers, .45 Mars Long and .45 Mars Short with the 8[or 9] round mags, and the 8.5mm Mars and 9mm Mars with the 10 round mags.

[@zzscrubzz]

I think it's really interesting how the bullet feed delay mechanism is used in the Battlefield 1 version of the gun. The gun in the game is powerful, but it's balanced by it's slower rate of fire. Very cool gun!

[@Pitchlock8251]

Is it just me or does the overall look and function, look like he scaled down a battleship gun and put it on a pistol frame?

[@dandel351]

Yep I saw battle ship gun barrel in a profile kind of way. I would love to have seen this gun fire on one of those high speed cameras.

[@Lokpyrite]

it looked more like a handheld Howitzer

[@Nick13ro]

***** lol - exactly my first thought when I saw the mechanism.

[@tomcline5631]

Not a Naval gun, more like a field artillery piece. More specifically,a pack howitzer. With that under barrel recoil spring arrangement.

[@andrewyork3869]

And about as powerful at scale....

[@Happymrsnowman]

What an amazing piece, and so far ahead of it's time. The rotating bolt. The detachable box magazine. The push button mag release (rather than heel release). Whether it was a commercial success or not, this was far ahead of it's time.

[@abrahamvargas8522]

God I miss the intro music. It brings me so much nostalgia when I re-watch these old videos and I hear that intro music.

[@kvproductions2581]

I really, really wish we could record one of these firing... The recoil and muzzle flash are said to be so great, it's sad to think we won't be able to record and preserve that for everyone in the future to see

[@smokecrackhailsatan]

I wonder if these would have been more effective as an early short barrel pistol carbine with some kind of stock assembly on it.

[@AkSinMedia]

rewtuser exactly what I was thinking since models of the Luger P08 and Mauser C96 had carbine variants as well and they were designed/manufactured in the same era

[@Arthurzeiro]

I would not put my face on a stock behind that crazy long recoil action.

[@Aliyah_666]

@@Arthurzeiro long eye relief sight my man that's the answer to that problem

[@TheAtmosfear7]

''Who looks as British as his name sounds" lol Ian he looks like you xD

[@Dearest_Nides]

I don’t know why but I find this one oddly beautiful despite it’s clear shortcomings

[@chuckcochran8599]

Too Cool. I've read about the Mars pistols and seen a few pictures, but to actually see one in color and a video is a treat.

[@Tarik360]

send this on the mars mission, for the security forces

[@MrMrsirr]

For when we declare war on Mars. This is Mars's only weakness.

[@allways28]

ill stick to the phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range

[@SteelJM1]

Just what you see, pal.

[@youcodnerd]

allways28 shooting a plasma rifle powerful enough to harm someone would cause a black whole and kill everyone near you

[@allways28]

would that be a plasma rifle or a _phased_ plasma rifel ? (40w range)

[@wsc31]

The Boberg pistol has a "reverse" feeding system which looks amazingly similar to the Mars action. Can't help but think that the Mars design managed to have an influence on firearms design over a century later. In size and power the Mars seems to be the spiritual antecedent of the Wildey and Desert Eagle pistols and the late lamented Auto Mag .

[@jeffgrey663]

Boberg brought me here

[@Der_Erpel]

Battlefield weapon description: "... this weapon looks like their exploding in your hands while shooting." 😂

[@Pinseth]

But the g43 wasn't made or used during ww1

[@michaelmckinnon1591]

Not irl it doesn't.

[@neilfurby555]

What a super well presented and researched series, great attitude too! Thanks very much.

[@Skyliner04s]

To the winner of the auction of these guns: 1. Get some ammo for these suckers. 2. Bring it to Ian. 3. Let Ian shoot the gun and do some slow motion of it. 4. ?????? 5. Profit!

[@anter176]

It'd probably be cheaper to buy the machinery needed and easier make your own brass than to find someone willing to sell to a price you can afford without selling your car, house, mom and grandma.

[@Skyliner04s]

But other than that, it is a great plan, you gotta admit! And I would love to see some slow motion of that gun.

[@anter176]

Skyliner04s some might even say -nearly- flawless plan!

[@benparsons4979]

It would t be worth it. Ammunition for this gun is virtually impossible to find, and extremely expensive. There would be no profit

[@ddegn]

@@benparsons4979 "There would be no profit" There would be loads of profit with the right step 4.

[@Jake-vu9mu]

This is without a doubt my favorite sidearm in BF1

[@qrosenfeld]

Jakob Bosshard c93 for me love this thing

[@infernovski1235]

Jakob Bosshard Kolibri > Mars Automatic

[@noname-fp7fn]

Jakob Bosshard kolibri is love kolibri is life

[@aleramone23]

Its excellent on the game. it saved my ass a lot of times.

[@GECKOZFTW]

DarkInfernape65 I prefer the Frommer Stop

[@maxtracker2904]

Little touches like the hammer doubling as a lever for the lifter are why I like gun design videos. Don’t want one - but it’s so mechanically interesting 😂

[@eanschaan9392]

Congratulations! You fired a whole magazine and your wrist bones have been ground into flour!

[@8digitPDX]

If Sherlock Holmes had an Automag...

[@Eeter26]

8digitPDX yes

[@matthewkeith8605]

"Aha! I follow your line of thinking. "Did he fire eight shots or only seven?" I must confess, that during all this excitement, I have somewhat lost track myself. But as this is a Gabbet-Fairfax Webley-Mars, quite the most potent pistol in the world and would blast your cranium clean from your shoulders, it behooves you to ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do you Sir, you utter cad?"

[@Kinography]

Guy Ritchie pls

[@bigchooch4434]

8digitPDX ian looks nothing like Buffalo Custardbath

[@truckshackley373]

"Go forth, poltroon, enrich my day."

[@AdrianSchwizgebel]

Jesus this gun is ridiculous! I love the complexity of old firearms.

[@TarmanTheChampion]

Remember not all old guns are complex :) check out the H&K G11 if you haven't yet! It has rotating gears & shit LOL

[@NeoIsrafil]

While it was a commercial failure, it is truly a genius design. Theyre so complex, especially for their era. And that they worked pretty well overall is incredible.

[@jonminer9891]

hi, Ian. Those are amazing pistols. I wonder if they could have been steam powered? Or if using a few more brass fittings would have increased reliability? It is a pity that using a red dot sighting system seems to be out of the question. A ballistic computer would probably not be of any use either. The only customer for these pistols I can think of would be Robo-Cop. That pairing would definitely be one made in heaven. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

[@mrgaspoop]

😂

[@toddhoward5964]

They are adding this to Battlefield 1 I'm scared

[@perfidiouspomegranate1599]

Ayy, you saw the leaked weapon list as well.

[@tskwared667]

Where can I find that?

[@treatb09]

why would they?

[@toddhoward5964]

Bo Huggabee Because most of BF1's weapons are prototypes, they have the Cei-Rigotti, the Pedersen Device and the Kolibri

[@Caparco71]

I think it's a pretty cool concept. It adds more fear in the gameplay.. Especially when you realize that these where once real weapons. I think it adds a lot to the fear of the unknown that many soldiers at the time had

[@QuellicheilMarza]

You could say it's the precursor of the Boberg, with that feeding system, very ingenious!

[@foobar201]

Also a bit of Frommer, with the long recoil and rotating bolt.

[@wonderfulsloth4239]

Wow seeing you pull that bolt back the first time was magical. What an amazing mechanism.

[@hanktorrance6855]

Incredible, beautifully made and amazing in their complexity

[@luisecobian3691]

Anyone else wounded if dice just watched all of Ian's video to find any cool looking guns that existed around the time of ww1 to put into battlefield 1

[@EJGSTY]

luise cobian he's in the credits in bf1

[@luisecobian3691]

elijah Gasataya ™ how would you know that could you please tell me where does his name appear in

[@EJGSTY]

luise cobian i think towards the end of the credits. You have to look VERY closely.

[@kevinsaltz7849]

I would not be shocked if they did the guy that runs the great war channel about ww1 was consulted for person and day to day stuff of the people of the time so the game would be more accurate

[@benparsons4979]

luise cobian special thanks

[@YouOnlyIiveTwice]

I love the engineering of all the mechanisms that are working together. Granted, they are a bit overcomplicated, but you can definitely see how it helped pave the way for modern automatic pistols.

[@ac1dP1nk]

love how everything goes whacky above the trigger

[@Mbartel500]

That spur at the bottom rear of the hammer looks like it would dig into your hand every time the gun recoiled, especially in the .45 long version.

[@picotnator]

I would pay to see this firearm run in super slo-mo.

[@o2wow]

The definition for, "Contraption" needs a picture of a Mars Automatic Pistol. Thanks for another video peak into firearm history.

[@thomasuglyasfuck]

Had this gun been in the opening act of Pulp Fiction, it would become functionally immortal. It is a true 'hand cannon'.

[@selvacin]

I was winching when you were putting your finger in the action, thats putting alot of faith in a piece of metal( the disconnector) that i had yet to see, and in general depening on your finger to stop it from going off. Mostly i grew wary of type of thing after my garand tried to eat my thumb when i thought i had it secure while reassembling it after a cleaning.

[@morte3252]

Proprietary cartridge? It doesn't sound like a smart thing to do for a small company.

[@Desmaad]

Wenk Hsueh Gabbet-Fairfax was not what I'd call sensible.

[@ChristianMcAngus]

But if you check out some other FF videos you see there were many pre-WW1 semi-auto pistols that used proprietary cartridges. In the Austro-Hungarian army in WW1 they used about a half dozen different pistols and they each had their own different cartridge.

[@mfree80286]

The very first semiautomatic pistol was a whopping 7 years before this came out... only revolver and long gun cartridges were established, and the revolver cartridges weren't really suited for any sort of self-loader. If you had a self-loading pistol in 1897, *all* cartridges were proprietary. Every hear the term '.32 ACP' or '.45 ACP'? Automatic Colt Pistol. Those were proprietary designs too.

[@Antiganos]

Wenk Hsueh Nearly every gun at the time that was being developed used proprietary cartidges. It was actually smart for the company, if the gun was chosen by a military to be produced, they'd have to buy all the ammo from them as well, as opposed to say, buying the ammo from a competing company.

[@buggs9950]

@Sakkra101 Tell me about it. We once had a tax on windows. Yes you paid more tax for having more glass in your house.

[@DrDiscordedWhooves]

Is it just me or dose the Mars give off a Desert Eagle feel.

[@_Anthony___]

Just you, as the desert eagle is more like the mars

[@floo1465]

@@_Anthony___ nah it 100% gives off a desert eagle feel, don’t be a smartass

[@TheSunnyvaleTrailerPark]

I love to share your show to my history/Chernobyl group on Facebook, it really helps me with teaching my group about gun history in a non-biased format. Thank you for producing these videos Ian, your work is truly fascinating and I'm grateful because it has helped me get people hooked on learning. Also, thanks heaps for not "Copyrighting" me on Facebook, you're a good man and I'm *very* grateful. 🙏✌🇺🇦

[@emu314159]

I'm currently rewatching Warehouse 13, and this would be a prime candidate for an artifact.

[@Olliemon]

Really interesting video, I like the fact that it has a rotating bolt and the only other handgun which I can think of with a locking-lug rotating bolt is the Desert Eagle, which also fires comically overpowered rounds.

[@yPhil]

This episode can actually be watched over several times. Ian, you are my favorite TV show :)

[@francissauve6685]

So basically it's an incredibly heavy bullpup pistol

[@leonardwells9613]

A great deal reminds me of the workings of the AutoMag pistol especially the rotating bolt and the two recoil springs with the “exploding from the back” when it cycles. A lot does come back when the AutoMag fires. VERY informative and interesting pair of pistols. L 👍

[@Pickle312]

I'd love to see some footage of it being fired... outside of Battlefield 1 haha

[@WastelandWanderer1216]

Pickle312 As rare as those are and with only 82 made it's not happening.

[@srspower]

We have a sort of similar system developed here in the UK to get around the semi auto ban. We can buy vx58 MARS rifles which are vx58's but each time you pull the trigger it fires and the bolt holds back. You then pull the trigger a second time to release the bolt and chamber another round. So you get a shot every other trigger pull. This must have been what inspired them.

[@thearthriticironworker2321]

I remember reading about this gun a long time ago. I will never forget the quote " No one who fired this weapon, wanted to fire it again."

[@SatanSupimpa]

I'm here from the Boberg video.

[@douro20]

Just when I thought long recoil guns couldn't get more complicated than the Browning Auto-5.

[@treatb09]

designed a disconnector, didn't adjust the grip position. but now its a lot easier to see where the 1911 came from.

[@DragonHeart53]

The M1911 wasn't based on this pistol though. there's actually another gun that holds that title that came before the Mars Automatic made by browning, and had a much more striking resemblance to the M1911.

[@treatb09]

i suppose, it just has this variance about it that could spark a few ideas of simplicity that browning may have come out of it with. thats all i meant

[@GoofyGoober690]

I think it's time we bring back the old banger of an intro. That little diddy gets me goin every time I watch older videos.

[@katiestevens1397]

Great video man very educational, and even though I can't hold a candle to your knowledge I would still love to have your job. Keep up the good work as I for one really appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos, best regards from Wales UK,

[@BillRoyMcBill]

It's easy to see where one might be pissed at having your revolver taken away and being issued one of these.

[@johnm3907]

I looked for ages for more info on these a few months back, there is very little info on them, and most is just repeated. Great video

[@ForgottenWeapons]

The best resource I am aware of is the article Dr. Sturgess wrote about them for the HBSA (Historical Breechloading Smallarms Assn). It's a copyrighted work so I can't repost it myself, but the Julia auction house has a copy of it posted to go along with this sale. I would strongly advise downloading a copy: jamesdjulia.com/wp-content/uploads/images/auctions/369/prov/52412.PDF

[@johnm3907]

Ok ill give that a read thanks

[@HighEndReplicas]

It's said it so powerful the recoil can seriously hurt an professional, and even small built professional. It has an enormous recoil and extreme velocity power

[@Wojtekpl2]

I like the barrel shape. Gives a sense of power... :)

[@allyn788]

That would make a very impressive "movie gun"....

[@nateozz6312]

Anyone here from BF1. This pistol is a beast on the game.

[@DukeWooze]

Oh yes it is it's very fun too shoot in game.

[@realdealgaminggaming5727]

nate ozz yep

[@MarioPerez-wh9ej]

Nazwabezcyfr Off yourself.

[@louisebarleycorn4805]

I hate it

[@coffeestainedwreck]

Welcome to FW, +nate ozz! Hope you've stayed for more cool WWI weapons, and maybe some more obscure firearms covered by Gun Jesus.

[@kevingambrell]

What a brilliant video on a very interesting pistol. Thank you

[@onpahanvaan]

This gun definitely has the air of being a handgun version of a naval gun. The way the barrel is all visible and recoiling all the way back. They even left the small hand crank on the back of the "breechblock".

[@666Vertigo]

The profile of the barrel and the bolt unlocking handle reminds me of artillery. How was the bolt unlocked? I notice there's a little arm that acts on a little nub attached to the bolt, rotating and unlocking it, but what moves the arm itself?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

A cam inside the breech assembly.

[@MadMetalShop]

Yay! I found my new carry gun!!! 😄

[@Nick13ro]

TheXtraMan LMAO !

[@forrestslr8101]

-T-X-M- Looks like a nice pocket pistol.

[@nathandamaren2093]

I conceal carry a Phalanx CIWS 20mm in my minivan because its the closest thing to enough dakka that you can find in the 21st century that will fit in a turret platform.

[@Logovanni]

That whole mechanism would not look out of place on the deck of a battleship. I absolutely love it.

[@paulamorris2593]

Ian is the ammo for this gun hard to get or expensive

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Both. It's basically impossible to find.

[@paulamorris2593]

Forgotten Weapons oh I see thanks and grate videos I have lerned so much

[@ShamusOGrady2]

I thought you were stating this as a fact. Use a comma next time.

[@InSanic13]

+Forgotten Weapons Is the ammunition not capable of being recreated through handloading?

[@CAMSLAYER13]

+InSanic if you custom made the brass

[@JKC40]

Ever thought about 3d printing dummy rounds to use for these demos?

[@JohnHughesChampigny]

3d printing? Turning on a lathe would be easier and better.

[@felonytaxevasion2773]

Not really though, 3D printing is much easier and less expensive

[@thorstenmetalhead9666]

If you turned pieces would maybe made out of some kind of metal. Just imagine this rare gun to become damaged during a demo with a too stiff metal dummy round that causes an malfunction. If anyone should make a dummyround for these, it should be made out of softer material than the gun's components.

[@godchi1dvonsteuben770]

BIG thumbs up! Those things are effin' gorgeous...

[@piontropechetrini5640]

I've just subscribed to your channel since is very informative and entertaining. Great videos.

[@RyeOnHam]

I see a great deal of elements that were later adopted by future successful designs. I see the Boberg feed mechanism (the Boberg is an excellent, well-thought out and executed design). I also see the bolt in the Desert Eagle. Then there's the Springfield 187 where the bolt remains fully to the rear. I am interested in your take on why... because it increased reliability. I can understand that it allows the feed mechanism to completely cycle and settle down. Thanks for the video.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

The Boberg is probably as doomed as this pistol was.

[@sonicknuckleswomble8927]

The Triggerati Why's that? it looks like a pretty solid low recoil pocket gun

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Well, between cost, strangeness and small name recognition, that's just a few reasons. The sensitivity to ammo is also a dealbreaker for a lot of people. The main problem is this: the gun community is heavily skewed conservative. As a result, new designs are viewed with suspicion (unless they are common sense changes like the P365 expanded capacity subcompact). The Boberg design aimed to give the consumer a longer barrel in a shorter package, and achieved that aim, but it came at a steep cost, and with the drawback of no lockback at the end of a magazine, and serious potential for lockup problems if there is a malfunction. All told, it's a fascinating design, but the need to extract a few more feet per second velocity out of a given length gun was probably never enough to justify such a high cost, or the other downsides of the design. That's my take. I love weird designs though, so if I ever get a chance to own one at a decent price, I'll take it. This was one man's obsession, and he apparently lost his marriage over it, and ultimately had to sell the company to Bond arms. I guess he should be commended for getting as far as he got and actually selling the assets he had (who knows if he made a profit though or just broke even). Anyway, the world is full of obsessive-creative types, and only a small percentage of them become successful. Arne Boberg wasn't one of them. I think the lesson is this; we've reached a point in history where most of the low-hanging fruit in the world of design and engineering have been done already. At this point it takes teams of very creative people years to advance science and technology. Arne was operating on an outdated model for creativity, and it bit him in the ass.

[@sonicknuckleswomble8927]

The Triggerati Sorry for late reply mate was a bit busy lately Yeah I guess that holds up, I do wonder if maybe a tapered cartridge like 357 sig or 40 S&W would be a better choice for the ammo sensitivity issues and in that those cartridges are more velocity based, but if this design is inherently more expensive and prone to lockup then I can't imagine the boberg being a service gun I guess it just got me thinking because it seems that compact rifles are all the rage nowadays with pistol braces on 9 inch AR pistols and whatnot, but the 5.56 wasn't really designed for that, so wouldn't the bullpup rifle be an obvious choice? that you need a manuevarable rifle for urban fighting, but need an adequate barrel length? I guess it just seems like a nice choice since people rarely carry beretta 92s or hi points if they have the choice not to, so something with a fighting pistol length barrel that you can carry everyday seems like a good place to market, though it's not an idea you'd wanna make from just a small company I bet, do you think the concept of a bullpup pistol just won't take off in general?

[@roempoetliar7995]

"autoloading hand howitzer"

[@onenote6619]

Four different cartridges - powerful, overpowered, 'my wrists ache' and 'once is too many'.

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

Those pistols are awesome looking and damn you intelligent Brit

[@titaniumdiveknife]

Holy shit!!!!! These are worth at least 35k a piece. And they let you touch them???? WOW! Cool job. :D

[@ForgottenWeapons]

titaniumdiveknife If you look at my Julia video on the 1904 Webley, you'll see me take apart a gun that ended up selling for $95,000. :)

[@titaniumdiveknife]

Forgotten Weapons Wow! You gotta have big cahones to do that job.