Marvel Comics: Bullseye Explained

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

Much like how Spider-Man has a Spider Sense, Bullseye has a Girlfriend Sense. The moment Matt gets a girlfriend, Bullseye's Sense starts to tingle, and he's like "Oh boy. Here I go killing again."

[@jalapenoroast1843]

He just Loves Killin lol

[@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686]

Just Some Guy with a Mustache .Krombopulus bullseye lmao

[@taviscaron4192]

Lol, bravo

[@donquixote9847]

Lmfaoooo 😂😂😂

[@albireotheredguard1599]

THOT Sense!

[@zombieallen]

I'm surprised that Bullseye's throwing ability was secondary in this video. It's all I remember about the character. I thought he was a mutant for a couple decades. Flicking a toothpick to kill a man at 100 yards is way more than just "accurate." It's superhuman.

[@mr.c9820]

yeah. thats not how accuracy works. same with the paperplane thing. Id like the toothpick thing better if it didnt break the glass. just a perfect toss through an open window

[@myman8336]

@@mr.c9820 🤔 Same, but Ricochet is still very deadly.. Especially a very well timed one.. I like the simple aspect of his killings hiding behind something that's actually extremely complex.. A slightly detailed explanation to the impossible would lighting up the disbelieve in his work.. But then again, Daredevil exists lol..

[@bryanlam3412]

The best method to kill someone with a toothpick (assuming you don't have super strength) would most likely be to give them a TOPI injury (Trans-orbital penetrating intracranial injury) through or around the eye, since there is only a thin layer of bone a few millimetres thick protecting the brain. Either way would be very difficult to penetrate with a toothpick, even with pinpoint accuracy, due to its minimal mass and brittleness, the toothpick would have a higher chance of snapping on impact or being stopped by the eyeball rather than getting into the victim's brain. Anyhow, this is a comic book character we are discussing, so no point in accuracy to real life.

[@plasticweapon]

it;s been pointed out that he probably is a mutant. him and taskmaster.

[@foamfan7593]

@@plasticweapon can both of them beat hulk tho ?

[@KerryReutens]

Correct, Bullseye folded a paper plane and threw it from the building across the street. It breaks through the glass window and stabs the guy in the neck, killing him.

[@LupineShadowOmega]

Less scary than the time he takes a paperclip and tosses it from the top of a building in order to shatter the window of a neighboring building and murder a mother breast feeding her child.

[@reves3333]

bull-eye more like bull-s***

[@alexknight81]

@@reves3333 wow your creativity is impresive

[@Bodyknock]

One of my favorite throws he did was Punisher threw a grenade at him and he tossed a toothpick into the fire-pin's hole in mid-air to keep it from exploding.

[@reves3333]

​ Alex Knight what i want is bulleye throw something in daredevil eye and make him see again and desory daredevil as a character..

[@GothicDragonX]

I did like the Netflix' Daredevil version of Bullseye. The background story and his therapy session were very suiting. Probably one of the best version of him.

[@Zurround]

Was his aim nerfed in that version? Hard to buy aim that perfect in a tv show.

[@maruchanramen8306]

@@Zurroundjust watch it 😂

[@SA80TAGE]

Netflix did a great job with Bullseye... but too bad we won't see him "proper" until the next season.

[@zahraajawad8996]

Samur/Aye 😭😭😭there is no next season

[@sumaiyaabdullah1451]

Well there is the upcoming series called echo it will feature daredevil in the series and rumors say echo will tease daredevil season 4

[@caaleb]

oh boy

[@notBallista]

@@sumaiyaabdullah1451 not a szn 4 but a “reboot”

[@ripjawsquad]

too bad there is no next season

[@fgtypezero0684]

DD s3 is amazing. I’m at episode 8 and I can’t stop watching.

[@Joe-xo4yg]

F G Type Zero 0 Enjoy 😊 It’s gets better 🖖🏾

[@gabrielhughes8221]

I'd finished it and it's not that great or maybe things going slow. But I'd hear that Luke cage coming back and Iron Fist might have to stop luke cage for doing something that he might regret later on

[@fgtypezero0684]

Gabriel Hughes Sorry you didn’t like it but I thought it was exceptional!

[@gabrielhughes8221]

@@fgtypezero0684 well I'd mean to say it could be alot better! Yes at the end daredevil came to his sense . I'd just want them to hurry up with Luke cage and someone take some sense to him. & iron fist new ability

[@FerociousPaul]

@@gabrielhughes8221 Iron Fist and Luke Cage got cancelled. But they're probably gonna do Heroes For Hire

[@denniscleary7580]

Bullseye fought against dead shot in the 97 crossover, but I’m not sure who won. Since they both never miss they probably killed each other in the first shot 😁

[@MRBigWhite57]

Dennis Cleary I think I remember reading it and I think Bullseye won just barely by hitting Deadshot in the throat heart and forehead with his playing cards. He manage to hit dead shot earlier in the eye with a toothpick which threw off his aim just enough so while he was still hit by him with a gunshot it wasn’t a lethal one

[@KevinMorales-do5on]

The important things is that they fused to create Deadeye

[@denniscleary7580]

JD057 that sounds about right thanks

[@denniscleary7580]

kevin morales yeah remember that he was pretty bad ass, I bet he never ever missed

[@avengingme]

lmao, never ever. it's not just a super power, it's a super-duper power.

[@taylormademyself89]

Frank Miller is one that made daredevil ,Electra,kingpin, and bullseye cool 😎

[@felixnolasco2683]

Kendall Taylor you forgotten about the hand!

[@taviscaron4192]

Mr. Miller has had some experience with street lvl Characters.

[@BeyondSllver]

Legend!

[@taviscaron4192]

@@BeyondSllver I know right. Surprised so few comments on this one.

[@gabrielhughes8221]

And that is also crazy that bullseye killed Electra who is one of the greatest assassin in marvel. Man some writer's do screw characters up big time.

[@Zurround]

I want to see a "parallel universe" version of Bullseye where he is a HERO and uses his perfect aim to SAVE people. That would be an interesting thing to see.

[@mychanneltheking5298]

The thing I like about bullseye is that him,victor zsasz,dollmaker,professor pyg,joker, and carnage are all crazy since they love to kill people and I believe that if joker,zsasz,and bullseye all teamed up they would be the most deadliest with bullseye impressive aim,joker chaos control and zsasz unpredictability

[@Knoxkuma13]

I believe one known fact about him is as a kid he was a pitcher and he hit a kid square in his rib cage in a spot that killed him intentionally, in the trailer he’s in a baseball uniform I think, can’t wait to c if he does that in season three

[@nurse425]

Yea, apparently in the story Bullseye was pitching a perfect game and in the 9th inning he wanted to leave the game and the coach told him no so he straight up just kills the next kid at bat with a pitch!

[@KG-th3cr]

I thought he hit him in the head?

[@ultimatewall-crawler5292]

Jennifer Pyrce He wasn’t a kid, he was a young adult who was promoted to the Majors. The batter was taunting Bullseye and then he killed the batter.

[@Knoxkuma13]

WilliamE216 that Might’ve been more of a cool expectation subversion, Coach was yelling to take the kid out and he hurled the ball and than the coach gets hit surprisingly, at least that’s how I saw it

[@ShinDrakken]

@@Knoxkuma13 Nope, watch that scene again.

[@dublinpaper]

I love Bullseye! He's such an interesting psychopathic assassin, and Dark Avenger. I always thought that he could be a great villain for Hawkeye as well. His skills are just perfect as a foil to Hawkeye. Otherwise, I believe the definitive Bullseye interpretation is Netflix's Daredevil Season 3. It took numerous stories Bullseye told over the years and put them all together. Plus, despite all his horrible actions. He was still sympathetic as a character cause he's so mentally ill, and actually loved someone he tried to have a "normal" life with. Wilson Bethel is the perfect Bullseye. Anybody who for some reason hasn't seen DDS3, you all gotta check it out. Can't wait to see where they're going with Season 4's enhanced Bullseye.

[@josephsmith886]

Nothing really significant? Bullseye killed Karen Page in kevin smith's guardian devil run....dude that was a huge moment

[@carlosc3378]

If bullseye killed karen page on netflix the punisher would kill him already

[@markfrellips5633]

Thunderbolts was a psychological thriller of a series, absolutely loved Bullseye's small role in it. He was just that guy that killed. He was that that Markov Gun of the second act, you knew someone was going to die that issue.

[@maximosmausten7668]

Please cover a comic or multiple comics about Mysterio. I can't find anyone who does him justice.

[@mr.c9820]

yes please

[@TonyGilbert1]

They never do he's underated just like iron fist is he can ruin a hero look what he did to Logan in old man Logan hes that powerful

[@Zonyxe]

At 9:40, it's actually uncanny how much the current actor of Bullseye aka Ben Poindexter aka Dex in the current DareDevil series looks like that comic depiction. Like the eyes and smile is almost identical!

[@JohnAquariusPodcast]

I'm calling it. This season's DAREDEVIL is Marvels Equivalent of Dc The Darknight Film. Yes to me it was that good.

[@Luke-wb7uk]

željko šimić please tell me you’re joking

[@JohnAquariusPodcast]

hey i get it. thats your opinion but for me it was good. and so was this seasons Daredevil

[@weed3728]

željko šimić the dark knight is overrated but come on put some respect on it’s name lol

[@souvikdas1]

@@JohnAquariusPodcast maybe because dark knight and dd season 3 had a lot of similarities like a good guy turning bad, manipulated by another bad guy, and the main bad guy wants the hero to kill him

[@JohnAquariusPodcast]

@@souvikdas1 yeah that and it just had the same intentense feeling like the stakes were higher each character had a lot to lose and yes the introduction of bullseye was spot on. Finally I used to read DAREDEVIL back when Frank Miller was the artist and writer and I felt like was reading it all over again. Again I love what they did with bullseye. Such an interesting character and an interesting storyline for him.

[@izilla-no3hm]

Bullseye should be reintroduced for the thunderbolts film when it gets made.

[@El-Burrito]

I really loved how they portrayed Bullseye in Daredevil season 3. Really brilliant

[@Mythicalmage]

I know he's not relevant, but please do a character explanation for Taskmaster. :P

[@TheFreezealot]

Taskmaster is super relevent, I'd say he is too powerful for the mcu.

[@ViolenceCity]

Taskmaster recently wrecked Captain America. Makes sense since he can singlehandedly take on the Avengers. Unless shit writing.

[@ohgeez4354]

Hes one of my faves ... Super underutitlized

[@chrisnelson735]

Yes please! Also more daredevil content please.

[@mychaeljones7526]

He's a New Yorker too. I hope he's mentioned in the Netflix shows.

[@thakidace]

Bullseye in PunisherMax made me sick to my stomach. The guy was beyond psychotic.

[@douglasbryant2556]

Gotta read that. Cyborg Bullseye in Old Man Hawkeye's pretty twisted, too.

[@Almighty_Mage]

Might have to check it out

[@theincrediblechriswilde1366]

There's no way he's not, at the very least, level 1 or 2 super human. Just the sheer level of shots he's made(that legit would take accuracy and serious crazy strength to pull off) tips him right into superhuman territory

[@Kingpopoff62]

@ShoryukenPunch I believe it would make much more sense if he was.

[@ericallen5677]

Rob, you totally skipped over Bullseye killing Karen Page with a gun.

[@geraldsmith2072]

It was with daredevil's billy club

[@ericallen5677]

@@geraldsmith2072 oh i thought he shot her? It was Kevin Smith's run, right? I read from Smith's run through Return of the King all in one go like 8 years ago, so i could be wrong.

[@cobussy]

Ericdared13 yeah I think it was DD’s billy club, but I don’t blame you he’s killed too many people to keep track of how he killed them

[@KPITGangsta]

He attempted to kill her with a gun previously but was thwarted by Daredevil. He later killed her with Daredevil's billy club after firing the one shot into his shoulder. Bullseye mentions that he learned his lesson and only loaded one bullet this time.

[@CouchCit]

Yeah don't know how he skipped that one. It was an important defining moment for the character and is relative to show

[@TheRealJahan]

Here after binge watching DD s3, kinda mad at myself for finishing it in two days 😓😪 Anyway, here to see how the Bullseye from the show compares to the comics

[@christophertemple5535]

So, maybe unpopular opinion, but I loved Bullseye and Kingpin in the Daredevil movie. Those two villains make watching that movie worth it. Duncan and Farrell were fantastic. I know it can be tedious but thank you for doing Bullseye Rob. He is definitely under appreciated. If you could do Venom and go into his Lethal Protector run that'd be great too. What'd you think of the Venom movie? I thought it was underwhelming.

[@saturncrush]

Christopher Temple The uncut Daredevil was very good.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

Duncan was a great Kingpin, Farrel did not do Bullseye justice. The writing on that one was junk.

[@machineguncrally7020]

@@jonathanwessner3456 no no Collin Farrel was a fantastic Bullseye. Way more faithful to the comic character than the series version. Cringe acting and a corny script that has aged horribly did the film no justice

[@jonathanwessner3456]

@@machineguncrally7020 No, in the comics, Bullseye didn't have to unfold a paper clip to kill you. His "power" was the ability to know the exact spot and amount of force to hit you to cause death. Ferrel was like an over the top portrayal of a man who was usually cool and calm.

[@machineguncrally7020]

@@jonathanwessner3456 no oscar winning performance at all for sure but Farrel is one of the greatest actors and accurate when it comes to comic. He pulled off the look, the cocky, the psychotic, and the over the top funny ridiculous things he could attack you with like in the comics. And he still killed Elektra. The netflix series version was a crybaby who whined a lot and had to go to therapy and acted hard done by where as Farrel was just plain evil for no known reason like in the comics

[@fbussier80]

Lore question: Any perticular reason why the adamantium doesn't poison him like it did to Old man Logan? (Even worse since he has no healing factor...)

[@ddavis8988]

That is something they're probably gonna say ut mattwrs the amount in your body. Becaise rmemeber when Bullseye in Thunserbilts the teleoaths coulnt cintrol him, but Wolverine gets mind controlled all the time and his whole skull is adamantium. So just inconsistent writing.

[@alkalinetrio759]

Because logan had it in him alot longer

[@johnford9070]

Negusis 85 I’m not a spelling nazi but wtf

[@KPITGangsta]

Yes. The adamantium placed in Bullseye was a higher quality then the grade placed on Wolverine's bones. It was for a high value target and they repaired his spine as an incentive.

[@JROCThaGreat]

Old Man Logan is just a spin off, there are version were he wasn't poisoned, just got old. So depending on what story your into adamantium is a sterile metal or it's radioactive/poison.

[@myth86715]

the netflix version of bullseye was amazing!! I really hope disney uses him again

[@jonathanhoward9533]

Bullseye is MY DUDE. There is no real reason why he's so good or so accurate, but he is. Bullseye in the recent Old Man Logan (and Old Man Hawkeye) is amazing. Prodigious martial artist and superhuman accuracy with the ability to kill with any item (his favs is paper clips and playing cards).

[@BboyCastle]

I dig your videos man! Bullseye is one of my favorite characters. He, like hawkeye, are considered above peak human ,the only difference is bullseye has an innate ability he was born with, and underwent perfect adamantium bonding meaning no poisoning, he doesnt have an x-gene so he isnt a mutant , and nothing gave him his power like how daredevil/spiderman attained theirs whereas they're classed as a mutate.

[@CorbCorbin]

Holy shit, I loved the way Netflix did Bullseye. He was throwing everything at DD.

[@comiccurators7668]

Thought this was a great summary of Bullseye and I agree Dark Reign gave him more spotlight. The Netflix version of the character pulled off some crazy feats but I don't think anything can top that deadly paper airplane!

[@AnimatedHashira]

It would be really cool if you could cover blade I rarely see anyone mention him these days

[@Jdawgwatchr56]

One of my favorite badass villains in Daredevil.

[@rapture724]

Rob you should make a Daredevil season 3 spoiler review.

[@keenanmeyer5511]

I wish there were more of these. I love these single character explanations. I would love to see one on Robin(s), or Clayface(s)

[@sums6653]

The Netflix adaption of daredevil has to be my favorite by far maybe being topped by the frank miller run

[@Dragonflyjones67]

I never knew Bullseye is a Deadshot cop off. But, he's still in my favorite villians

[@prot07ype87]

*4:23** "Black Widow became a good guy."* - ComicSexplained, 2K18

[@CT-nb5lm]

I still love the Scene of Bullseye downng a Guiness & throwing Darts & listening to HOUSE OF PAIN..

[@GhostRydr1172]

You forgot the rather insignificant detail that he also killed Karen Page. And that the show kinda faked us out with the notion we'd see that happen again when Bullseye went into that church looking for Karen.

[@shiningnight12]

You and Comic Pop are giving me life on the Bullseye lore

[@DefConprime28]

The bullseye comic story where he got into the Major Leagues and pitched in the World Series was a great story

[@achidikisob7759]

Osborn was in charge of that version of the Thunderbolts, Zemo wasn't around for that period.

[@Comicman-m7o]

That bit about Bullseye first appearing in 1969 is not true. That Bullseye was named Edward Forsyth, and aside from being an assassin had little to do with the character we know. He also died either in the Nick Fury issue he was in, or another issue of Nick Fury the same year.

[@cosmicdream17]

8:04 I really hope we get to see a version of this 'Russian Roulette' scene play out in Daredevil Season 4. Especially, considering the end of season 3.

[@foley247]

Thanks Rob, I love Bullseye, been one of my favorite street level characters since 1982.

[@CRAiCED.]

Daredevil s3 is one of the best TV show seasons I've ever seen

[@lewisdavidson571]

Bullseye with Gambit’s powers. Oh shit.

[@lastlife0726]

Great video! Just got through the Netflix series, I knew broad strokes the comic influences, but it's great to see the direct inspirations: Bullseye getting his back broken, him taking up the Bullseye mantle, etc.

[@daveharman8202]

Nice vid! I'm old school DD fan getting back into it so this def gives me some new stuff to check out! Thank you!

[@jonathankim4220]

Your insanity keeps me sane, great job on the video. Been missing the explained vids.

[@DocWolph]

When MARVEL finally gets something to really work for Bullseye, he is going to be a very popular monster.

[@ChumblesMumbles]

Bullseye has had some fairly ridiculous power creep over time. Originally he's a normal human who happens to be a really good shot. Over time he gains magical powers to never miss and turn any projectile into a lethal object from any distance or angle.

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

Marvel is full of power creep

[@potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420]

dude, your character explained videos are how i teach my gf about who's who. Glad you're doing them again. hope there's more to come, like maybe 1 a month or something so you don't burn out again

[@apg897]

"Umm....I've still got another pen"

[@JayUchiha17]

great timing on dropping Bullseye Explained with the Netflix series

[@SoraMatt]

given the time he DID wear Daredevil's costume and given what you learn about the character, his skillset, his personality, Bullseye to me is - and always shall be - that strange hybrid of The Joker/Reverse-Flash to Matt's Batman/Flash. He is an opposite, a negative image, yet completely insane and sees the world through that chaotic lens. Yet like Reverse-Flash, he's narcissistic to ridiculous degrees. It's just a pity not many IN the books have taken advantage of the fact that Bullseye very much is an Evil Daredevil in many respects. DD can fight at range but prefers close range/Bullseye can fight at close range, prefers long distance; both have wicked tempers and shitty childhoods; Bullseye can globe trot but always comes back to New York and fixates on the Red Man just like Daredevil has been almost everywhere in Marvel but always comes back to Hell's Kitchen; one has questionable sanity whilst the other is gleefully insane; one is known to fight without sight, the other has such a keen eye that he almost never misses; Red suit (shadowed in black), Black-Blue suit with white trim. It's all there.

[@comicbookgallery4431]

Love your show, Netflix did a great job with their Bullseye origin. And I just got 1st appearance a week before too.

[@JYDY-if5rf]

Bullseye is my favorite assassin

[@staqdynasty6818]

Loved this video just picked up a toy biz 2005 bullseye and it looks exactly how I remember from the old school comics so this video just refreshed me on the character thanks man 💪🏼

[@DoctorPlat13]

Bullseye is not the main enemy of that season, Kingpin is.

[@darthkek1953]

14:53 holy heck, it's *Mumm-Ra* after too many candies.

[@derrickwatson4597]

To add, one of the best Daredevil/Bullseye stories is Daredevil: End of Days. Its not really canon but a really good dark read, highly recommend it

[@isinganddootherthings4616]

Bullseye should get his own solo villain movie like joker and venom it could be awesome Man

[@jesteric2740]

The nice thing is the juxtaposition--the nemesis of the blind superhero is a villain with superhuman marksmanship/vision

[@rdsentertainment7202]

Bullseye in punisher max was pretty messed up

[@WC_Beer_Reviews]

I miss the character videos. This was really good!

[@calunio]

Great video! Curious: do you speed up your own voice?

[@chrisv2174]

The punisher Max Kingpin Bullseye was my favorite. He was completely insane.

[@Mwuhahaha]

Yay! I miss character explanations, could you do more please? Keep up the awesome work!

[@turtleanton6539]

"What it did" "what this does"

[@roguedexx938]

Bullseye Daredevils Joker!! Best battles ever!!

[@alexman378]

Am I the only one who absolutely loved Bullseye in the 2003 movie? He was just so memorable and Farrell was having a ball throughout the movie, it was very entertaining. That opening of him throwing darts while drinking beer as The House Of Pain was playing in the background was a great introduction.

[@curtiskretzer8898]

Own director's cut & theatrical versions. Farrell completely insane"&I want a bloody costume!" (F'n precious!)

[@dustybragg4011]

Alexander Angelus I loved it too, especially when he killed that a lady on the airplane with the peanut LOL

[@GeorgeCawesome]

I would have Loved to have seen Bullseye VS the Punisher on the Netflix shows

[@jamesjohnakin945]

Rob is like "Here are some guys that wrote some stuff"

[@CrimsonTear1996]

I love this shit, but not gonna lie your vids usually leave me with more questions than answers. Not necessarily about the specific character your vids are on but then about literally everything else lol

[@realtalk4689]

Nice recap of one of my favorite villains. F.y.i. Rob your voice is good because it's like captivating in a mysterious and thriller like way, sort of like Darth Vader or Vincent Price (except when you giggle or laugh thereby diminishing the effect of the story). Use your voice for that (take it seriously and stop laughing). Much success.

[@insanemakaioshin]

Bullseye vs Hammerhead: who is Kingpin's right hand man

[@kolbewilliam7542]

good one rob. more characters explained please, like if you did one character a week that would be badass

[@DreamStepper]

Bullseye seems like a more versatile Hawkeye to be honest in terms of ability.

[@guiltyrisk33]

Dude. I missed your channel bro💯🤔

[@socsuck6135]

Dark avengers is fantastic. Highly recommend it, some great bullseye moments.

[@fawkesthedreg]

YES!!! FINALLY A BULLSEYE VID

[@romecotton9814]

Rob, you're the man! Thank's for all of your hard work and before I foget MAKE MINE COMICS EXPLAINED, PEACE!

[@kevinmurry8803]

I like character explanations. Please resume with them.

[@mikejohnson8304]

About time we get an explain

[@ZoTheThird]

Yoooo what up Rob!!!! Hope the new bullseye is better then the last.

[@dangelioscott3376]

A-what-mazing!! Dope Rob

[@levingthedream]

Cool video. Would you talk a bit abouth deathlok?

[@TrickyRilke]

Yes more character explanations!

[@damianstarks3338]

Can't wait to see him in daredevil season 3.

[@ahmedmagdy-qg3tb]

agent point dex is doin so good , hope the next season focus on him

[@forrestang]

So will Bullseye kill karen page in s04 of DD on netflix?

[@forrestang]

I don't mind the character, but ya that part of the episode was waaaaaaay longer than it needed to be. That whole time I was wishing they would have just explained that part of the story through a brief dialogue she was having with someone else. A similar thing happened with the flashback in that Netflix series Altered Carbon. It was phenomenal until the flashback... then the show fell off of a cliff. Series seem to have too many problems with the number of episodes, where they seem to just fill shows with irritating content.

[@Stephen-mk9ey]

lets not forget the scene in the movie where bullseye flicked a peanut into an old lady's throat and made her choke to death

[@curtiskretzer8898]

That was so f'n ❤less!

[@benjaminraskin8509]

Thanks for this

[@d7b50]

It seems like you explain so much about what happens at the comic company instead of explaining the charchter.

[@tronoification]

The toothpick is cool, but tell them about the tooth! Easily my favorite turning point in any comic.

[@isthatwhatemptymeans8222]

Cannot wait for Bullseye and Wilson Fisk in the white suit

[@TheVetoSkreeemer]

Great video, you made a mistake Denny Oneil s run in Daredevil came after Miller s run ended.

[@factotums]

There's something uneventful about characters whose super-ability is to 'never miss' and yet they never seem to hit anyone.