Marvel Rivals is a wake up call | Asmongold Reacts

[@jimjohnson6944]

Marvel Rivals' success makes the historic failure of Concord ten times more hilarious.

[@fadedcolors]

There are people claiming that Rivals is woke and thats why its successful after they literally tried to get it cancelled lol. Edit- A lot of people are asking where? Personal experiences in various comment sections and reddit. Look at the comment replies of this video itself. There aren't many but the fact there are some is unbelievably shameless.

[@somechannel1]

@@fadedcolors lol how are they claiming it's woke?

[@TyrianHaze]

@@somechannel1 Heard some people claiming that Cloak and Dagger are trans, but that's just some dumb bullshit. They are clearly two different people and personalities whose bodies are now bound together, not people with mental illness.

[@SlimJim-ws4pj]

@@fadedcolorsHaven’t seen a single person thus far that has called the game “woke”.

[@shadysorkin9214]

@@fadedcolors no ones calling it woke dude unless youre on some weird section of the internet i havent seen.

[@SpecShadow]

What a weird timeline where you randomly drop good game and it causes rapid, sudden mindblowing reactions...

[@tjrose9830]

It wasn’t random and was definitely promoted with millions of dollars worth of advertisements 😂😂😂.

[@fotis3v480]

And its godtier. And i say this as a guy who doesn't like​ this genre.@@tjrose9830

[@YoungMachette]

Seriously dude

[@Xylotonic]

@@tjrose9830 I hadn't heard of the game before it blew up, and I assume there are many others.

[@epzo]

"good game" mr isnt a good game. many bugs, server crashes, poor optimization, bad matchmaking, garbage balancing and overall not fun

[@bradleighb]

Hot girls and cool dudes sell games. Nobody wants a skin of Big Bertha from Concord. People open their wallets for Vengeance Psylocke.

[@Solutionsarejustcompromises]

This comment needs more likes, get some likes here 🙂👍

[@infinitybro2277]

I got her skin before I played a game lmao

[@TyrianHaze]

Well, there's nothing wrong with having ugly/fat characters, but they should be an option, and not the whole roster. Sometimes people do want to play ugly characters because they find it funny.

[@i_amChrisJxmes]

@@TyrianHazeI like a mix for sure.

[@yoremothra9838]

​@TyrianHaze I don't mind a couple of Meis/Roadhogs peppered into a line up, I almost prefer to play them to offset all the other "beautiful" players. Aesthetic balance and what not.😅

[@jonbeingjon]

People dont talk about how concord actually came out at the perfect time. OW has bottomed out, there was space in the genre but it was just that bad. Now Rivals makes OW look like a knock off.

[@S0UPIE]

With NetEase at the helm? No thanks

[@mjodreaper8481]

@@S0UPIE Blizzard at the helm of OW2 when it flopped, best not to judge something at face value.

[@S0UPIE]

@@mjodreaper8481 Marvel Rivals is not Marvel first try at gaming, hell, its not theit first ty with NetEase at gaming. Overwatch is on a decline for very Blizzard reasons, by the time Blizzard made a mistake the community already had academic journals published on what exactly lead to it. These big studios don't just magic get a change of heart. If you want to see what Marvel Rivals will turn into, go play Naraka. Id rather stop while I'm ahead.

[@Mandrarine]

"Now Rivals makes OW look like a knock off" delusional much? OW is still a way better game. Marvel Rivals has just the hype of the MCU going on, really. I'm not hating on it, I played the game and it's ok. But it's nowhere near as polished as OW. The reason people play MR and not OW is Blizzard's history of fuckups and scandals.

[@colvin900]

@@Mandrarine Nah Rivals way WAY more fun on day 1. Imagine what Rivals can do with just as much time.

[@JaxxedGaming]

Thanos used the Infinity gauntlet and snapped Concord out of existence

[@peonoreeves3852]

Lol

[@epzo]

dc>marvel jokes

[@phillyjones3028]

A very specific Thanos, of all things

[@AllSupsGoToHeaven]

What's Concord?🤨

[@avxg26]

@@epzo and why does it matter here?

[@OnePieceRooster]

Blizzard's entire MO was to take existing game genres, give them the "Blizzard Polish," and release a really good game. It's INSANE that their top guys are now calling out "copycats" in the industry. Blizzard was working on a "rust-style" game that got scrapped. The disconnect from new Blizzard to old is getting comical.

[@jackbower9087]

Those blizzard devs you're talking about were replaced with DEI. Blizzard died in 2015

[@itdobejman]

@@jackbower9087 dei wasnt a thing in 2015. most of them left because they saw what was coming or they were forced out.

[@cameronwhite6447]

@@jackbower9087Not everything is DEI related, grow a brain and realise there’s nuance in life.

[@CottidaeSEA]

The current Blizzard (like many other companies) has a hard time understanding what makes something popular.

[@WanderTheNomad]

​@@cameronwhite6447Not everything is DEI related, but are you saying Blizzard has nothing to do with DEI? Cuz I think I'd disagree with that. Especially with that diversity chart they put out for Overwatch characters. Unless you want to explain the nuance on how that diversity chart actually has nothing to do with DEI...?

[@Just_a_turtle_chad]

The Concord characters screamed, "I'm awesome and special, so you should like me" white the rivals characters say, "YOU are awesome if you pick me". Huge difference.

[@TheOrangeFelon]

russian cookie recipe plz

[@angelcastiel7876]

While*

[@juvenileygo]

Did concord have a twitch drop like rivals and poe 2?

[@Paisen4321]

By the Eye of Agamotto!!!

[@bzibubabbzibubab420]

@@juvenileygo yes dropped to the trash can

[@ubiquidade]

The widowmaker/black widow thing remided me of a fun fact: Studios refused to make an english remake of the Japanese film "Battle Royale" over fear that it would be seen as a ripoff of hunger games. Battle Royale (based on a 1999 novel), for those who don't know, is indirectly what spawned all the films and games based on the concept -- if the name alone isn't a good enough of a hint. It is also a film I still recommend today.

[@Zood94]

When we thought the hero shooter genre was dead, turns out we just needed a good ass game, simple as that.

[@IIMiikexDII]

Yeah, I'm a believer that no genre is truly dead. Good games of that genre just cease to exist. Good games can absolutely bring genres back from the dead xD

[@goprochef6352]

Same with RTS games, it was a glut in good titles

[@edd8914]

@@IIMiikexDIIWhat about RTS though?

[@Lurker_Z]

Not "we", "game journalists" thought that.

[@kyler247]

​@@edd8914those are and will always be a niche. There's a limited amount of possible market in an RTS because of their complex nature to laymen. Marvel rivals is pick up and play arcade but it's also deep once you get competitive

[@DJezdic]

It’s beautiful watching Blizzard taking all these L’s.

[@deltasaves]

The best part of waking up ☕

[@kingdolo23]

Fking love it I hope they learn

[@___Bruh__]

It's sad to see one of my favorite Game developers fall to this level. They have made some of my favorite games in the past

[@Ilikefinalfantasy795]

@@___Bruh__ it's all trash now.

[@andreynordron1302]

Finally we have something on markey thats competitive and even better. World is healing

[@olivercrespo2329]

“It’s just because of the Marvel IP!” Yes, you know what comes along with the Marvel IP? Great character designs. Cool powers that can be made into interesting abilities. These are the things that matter in a hero shooter lol.

[@Chibipayne]

Anyone that says that dumb argument, I just point them at suicide squad, which is a well known IP as well 😆

[@jprice_]

@@Chibipayne Also, wasn't there a dead marvel IP mmo?

[@thagift84]

Name another successful Marvel IP game

[@Cheekibreeki02]

​@@jprice_I know of a DC mmorpg, I never heard of a marvel one, but i would not be surprised if there was an attempt at one.

[@quangnguyenviet1188]

​@@thagift84 Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy and Marvel snap

[@Chaoskoch]

The second chinese game in a row that absolutely takes over right after Black Myth Wukong, and the seething western game journos still won't acknowledge it.

[@jrwolf4955]

Genshin was long ago

[@RamArt9091]

These are wild times where a game made by NetEase has less predatory monetization than western games.

[@frankvonfrauner]

That will come later. That's where all these companies are screwing up. You got people suckered in first and then you f*** them

[@1shogunate696]

They are cooking with a lot of the skins too

[@IXxhpnotiqxXI]

They don't need to be greedy with the marvel IP. Just make a good game and the money will automatically flow in. EZ Clap

[@JJ3nkins89]

No one starts off greedy... wait till some people shuffled around internally. It will come.

[@andrewearth469]

Yeah, because it is a data and attention harvest. Skin sales are a just a bonus.

[@SavantPete]

I'm so glad we're putting an end to the whole "People are tired of..." arguments. There's no such thing as people being tired of concept. If people liked it before they like it now and they're gonna like in the future. Same thing happened with Marvel movies. The problem is the quality is lackluster. People are tired of garbage.

[@adamh4h4]

and they say superhero genre is "saturated". Yeah, its saturated with mediocre and bad games. We're starved of great games like the Insomniac Spiderman games. We want quality movies and games. And we want MORE of it. Its as simple as that.

[@Steampunk_Kak]

Agreed. It isn't the damn genre of game. It's bad games. You can throw at me 100 of the same "genre", and if each and Every single one had great quality and some innovation from each other, i would love every one.

[@koryhelm8515]

I think both can be true. The saturation of the genre raises the bar of acceptability.

[@K1yoshu]

I like hero games. I just don't like BAD hero games. Some of these make me wish I'd played Superman 64 instead.

[@miuiruma273]

JRPG genre it's all the same but we play because the quality of the japanese studios is incredible

[@jtdripp]

Asian developers not hamstrung by the wokeness debuff.

[@mynameisjeff9174]

FR

[@ariq5258]

Fax

[@ThaddeusBloodRaven]

💯

[@AdamLmao]

I love triple A Asian titles like Forspoken, and Balans Wonderworld. KekW

[@drdickinson5910]

unfair advantage 😅

[@weezer91101]

The “every match feels fresh” was the craziest part of learning this game. It made it so hard to decide what I would be playing in comp until I realized I would need to proficient in multiple roles to be successful. Furthermore any character on your screen could pop off and you need to adapt to the players play style less than the hero choices.

[@joanz01]

The fact that healers do heal a lot and also do a good amount of damage is something that got me stuck in the role.

[@NathanPorter-c1x]

Pick up kills. Don't do damage. You need to either pull 30,000 healing a game or get off my role.

[@dulcepicante3147]

Yes it feels satisfying to watch the health bar go up with no debuff BS and the survivability is insane

[@joanz01]

@@NathanPorter-c1x yes, but when the enemy iron fist is targetting me and my team does nothing to defend me at least I can protect myself, not like other games were you are just dead.

[@CaseyGumball]

@@NathanPorter-c1xdamage is way more important than everyone thinks, yes healing is important but only to the point where you keep your teammates alive. When your teammates aren’t close to dying you should be doing damage or looking for value somewhere it’s not always smart to just sit there and pump your tank with heals when he got hit once. From a GM Groot main and a GM OW support

[@frosty848]

​@@NathanPorter-c1xyou are not pulling 30k avg healing.

[@TheStonedZone]

25:09 Fun fact for anyone who didn't know, WarCraft and StarCraft were both originally designed to be video game adaptations of Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k (respectively). But, iirc, there was a dispute between Blizzard and Games Workshop and Blizzard decided to release the games as their own and just ignore that they had a contract. Blizzard got away with this because Games Workshop's Warhamer franchise is literally just made up of content lifted DIRECTLY from places like Starship Troopers and Lord of the Rings without a license. Blizzard literally just did the same thing to Games Workshop, that Games Workshop did to others.

[@Zestymf-g7x]

🤣😂😅

[@johnnysmith5923]

The sad part is they nuked the old WHFB planet in favour of a new universe so they could copyright their factions :( '"Elves" can't be copyrighted, but "Aelves", now that's unique!'

[@RC-go2kl]

there's some influence ftom that old animation, Fire and Ice. Just look at rexxar and arthas (death knight)

[@YMx1212]

Warcraft 3 was goated tho ngl

[@soniccboom92]

Starcraft nerd here. This is widely believed misconception. Blizzard North OG's on a podcast confirmed they were actually trying to get a star wars contract together but fell through when the Lucas Games studio bombed out in the late 90's. They never even went or approached Games Workshop for either of these universes. Hope this helps!

[@gregchilders9660]

Having it in 3rd person is an incentive to have good skins too

[@shift7808]

At the cost of immersion, among other things, but its personal preference.

[@davidmacy411]

@@shift7808 Somewhat, but because so many characters have crazy mobility, it provides added awareness of what is going on around you because the game can get crazy.

[@erwins_arm]

​@@shift7808hero shooters are inherently not immersive

[@shift7808]

@@erwins_arm Less so when not in first person, inherently.

[@Aaaaaalakrb]

@@shift7808 it’s impossible to be less than not immersed. There is no negative immersion.

[@BeyondConsoleBorders]

Everyone knows when your character looks cool you deal more damage.

[@Lattrodon]

20 million players? that's almost a million Concords

[@pixavier9746]

More like 19 million Concords and them some more.

[@SpeedyMckeezy]

crazy that this isn't an exaggeration, the math checks

[@tylernunes8248]

as someone whose fav game was overwatch, who played it religiously since the beta, who watched it die a slow and painful death as it transitioned into overwatch 2, i can say with certainty that marvel rivals puts the nail in the coffin.

[@Dig_Duke_SFM]

Same 🎉 n kinda happy bout it tbh

[@hobogoat2]

Idk how blizzard screwed the pooch so hard with OW2, I also am genuinely surprised it hasn’t resulted in a lawsuit of sorts. So many broken promises there, and people definitely spent money based on lies they were told.

[@Knifykat]

Yep OW was bad, OW2 was worse and now instead of hero shooters finally dying of we have thousands of soy boys coping playing marvel rivals, like fuck... gaming ALMOST got good again... oh well

[@VSci_]

​@@Knifykat Agreed. Hero shooters are so cringy and boring.

[@hobogoat2]

@ maybe hero shooters aren’t for you?

[@PotatoL001]

I think something important about the character design is theyre attractive without being sexual. Squirrel Girl is hot but shes not dressed like she got off the pole 😂 its possible to make good looking characters without appealing to gooners

[@exu7325]

You're out of touch if you think Squirrel Girl isn't "gooner bait".

[@PotatoL001]

@exu7325 I'm baffled how you could possibly think it is lol.

[@teecakes]

@@PotatoL001 the comic creator of Squirrel Girl directly was inspired by Disney's "Rescue Rangers" character Gadget the Mouse. The prototype for furry gooners of the 90s. So there's that.

[@PotatoL001]

@teecakes Last I checked we weren't talking about the comics so there's that.

[@JustCharlesBro]

The new mercy skins really hits this point in the wrong ways she’s literally barely clothed.

[@johnp6142]

I've played overwatch for a loooong time. I've always struggled with the FOV, I find it too close and struggle with tracking all the mayhem. Rivals being 3rd person is an absolute blessing

[@joeking3057]

The best part about this game is they don’t have to fall into the overwatch hero release trap. Overwatch is creating new characters or characters with slight story implications. Rivals can just introduce a hero or villain people like. That means whoever is released doesn’t have to be as overpowered, because there are already people that identify with the character.

[@captain_zed]

Another important thing about it being third-person is that you can actually see the skins that you unlock... Kind of important for a live service game.

[@SpartanOfLuxon]

Team Fortress 2 has 132k players to Overwatch 2's 34k players. Even TF2 came back from the grave to laugh at Blizzard.

[@arosbastion7052]

I mean, most of those tf2 players are bots idling on the title screen or in private servers for items/trading. the real tf2 player count is like 10-20k

[@shadycanopy15]

@@arosbastion7052 A majority of those 'players' got banned in July/August during the bot ban waves. A lot of people came back after the bots were banned and thats why the numbers shot up.

[@Squid165]

A 17 year old game with that many “real” players is impressive.

[@stuffylamb3420]

Where can you see overwatch numbers?

[@rbtx55]

Valorant has 600/700k concurrent daily

[@YeezyPlz]

Another small factor that I think plays a part in it is that we can see our character. Being in 3rd person rather than 1st person (like Overwatch) really helps immersion. Plus if you decide to buy a skin, you can actually see the skin while playing.

[@Lurker_Z]

6:05 So Mike Ybarra is seriously ignorant of nerd culture? He never heard of Black Widow and thinks it's stolen from Overwatch? From what parallel universe did this guy come from?

[@deltasaves]

I still can't tell if he was making some niche joke or he's really lost on it

[@Lurker_Z]

Occam's Razor says he thought people reading his Tweets were dumb enough to believe anything he writes because of his resume.

[@starwin4000]

Probably a nepobaby who was only groomed for success rather then engaging with any pop culture outside of his circles.

[@Dougfunny37]

Leftyverse is EXTREMELY weird. They live in a delusional socialite bubble

[@sinixynta]

seriously, i thought he was referring to the kit (which was fair), but when he mentioned that they even "copied" the name, i was like "bro... what?"

[@ElderGamerX]

This is what it looks like when people reject products they don't like, and vote with their wallets.

[@edd8914]

Entertainment consumers have been suckers for too long

[@terrible1fi]

This has nothing to do with wallets, since both games are free. A better way to put it is that this is what happens when people vote with their time

[@ElderGamerX]

@terrible1fi Engagement = money somehow. Otherwise, these games couldn't survive.

[@uniquascaper7052]

Now watch Marvel Rivals make some really fun fast paced single player levels that are hyper addicting and completely dominate the entire genre more than it is now. The men at blizzard used to slam dunk on the competition every year, now the women at blizzard are a literal corporate pin cushion.

[@bluemutt9964]

They're too busy camping the work fridge for breast milk to focus on making games

[@TheGrindIsReal2023]

Too busy harassing women to dev their game 😢

[@yenrotslyk2]

Imagine 😂

[@x7Votorious84x]

I bet they will make a PvE Thanos event.

[@AnimusVoxPopuli]

Yea it’s definitely the fact that women are working by there, and not the fact that Activision bought them.

[@erikrulez17]

43:10 made me spit up my drink laughing lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@braintrust02]

Poe2 and Marvel Rivals ended blizzard’s excuses

[@NobleGamer889]

I thought you said Pou 2 for a split second 💀

[@CampaignerSC]

Makes you wonder what Blizzard and Microsoft are actually using their money for.

[@alyasVictorio]

​@NobleGamer889😳

[@ronin4303]

Hero shooter genre isn’t dead. It just needed something doing more effort than OW has in YEARS.

[@lakesong7566]

I guess hero shooter is not dead but rather blizzard is dead

[@thepatriot6966]

Gamers that have been starved of well made games that are fun to play. Flock to Marvel Rivals. Amazing. Who could have possibly seen that coming.

[@x7Votorious84x]

When are we gonna talk about the mid gameplay at times? Punishers full auto reminds me of these mobile game ads, hits don't feel impactful, maps are too basic in some areas. If I wasn't playing with my friends I would've uninstalled when iron fist and Spiderman were doing their BS. And then the next day I see that SM hit box is ridiculous. Massive potential and they did great with synergies, too bad the game looks like a early ps4 game.

[@thepatriot6966]

@@x7Votorious84x You make some good points. But for me. The asthetic of the game is a part of its charm. I could see myself playing this game in an arcade in the 90's when I was a teen. 😉

[@Quintessence4444]

When there's only a few good AAA games a lot of people are going to be playing them.

[@BobbyFlay14]

It reminded me of when rocket league came out. The game was simple and fun. That was it lol

[@Pyrus335]

Oh okay wait so being a "good game" is sucking up the audience of an almost ten year old love service game with a newer, slightly different version of the old one. Yeah okay, no lol This is obvious that would happen, nothing special happened here.

[@jlog1c]

The meta conversation is a bit more complicated, both are right. Metas are still easy to find and will be, but the changing team up abilities, and skill ceilings being high for many characters means players won't be FORCED into playing meta to be effective (like OW). Rivals has a lot more room to allow players to simply out-play the meta.

[@Mictla155]

That is just on steam mind you.

[@sahilchauhan7232]

Other platforms are xbox, playstation and epic store etc right ? Where are the majority of the 20 mil players playing on? I thought steam was the biggest .

[@kahmarigreen5392]

@@sahilchauhan7232u thought steam was the biggest? Bro😂 u can’t be real. There’s millions playing on consoles both Xbox and PlayStation. Steam is for pc players bro

[@db5094]

@@sahilchauhan7232 brother 20 million players, not 20 million people playing at once. steam is defo the biggest, consoles next

[@FatherPars51]

If steam was the biggest games wouldn’t release first on console then be ported to PC.

[@randomcommentator5922]

​@sahilchauhan7232 I'd assume ps5. They have far more people than xbox

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

ff14 looted wow's corpse, marvel rivals looted overwatch, POE2 loots diablo 4. blizzard is the industry's loot piñata.

[@SNOZ562]

L take

[@MuhammadRidwan-pe7ny]

when a whale dies, its carcass create a whole new ecosystem.

[@ruy7164]

Had riot done its mmorpg it would have looted wow again.

[@kingdolo23]

​@@ruy7164😂😂

[@Maxinoizer]

PoE2 just "loots" PoE i guess ? bruh just cause they're both ARPGs ...

[@matc1995]

2024: Path of Exile kills Diablo Delta Force kills Battlefield Marvel Rivals kills Overwatch

[@AofCastle]

To be honest, Battlefield committed sudoku

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@AofCastlethey all did tbh overwatch been dead they been updating the store for years without updating the game at all 😂 diablo 4 had a good launch but season 1 was crap and a mess since. Their new class was mid too. Battlefield definitely got worse and worse to the point people miss battlefield 1 which felt like a downgrade at the time

[@Obi-Chan-Jabroni]

Have fun downloading delta forces kernel level anti cheat giving the CCP direct access to your data and use of your pc as a middleman in cyber attacks.

[@IdocarebutIdont]

Natural selection.

[@revilosmoth1101]

Delta Force is good for F2P but really not that great. Especially vehicles feel 100 times better in Battlefield and they wont close that gap any time soon. Marvel Rivals is good but I dont think its that great actually. But Concord was not F2P which was the first mistake + no IP to speak of. Never played Concord but Im not sure it was worse gameplay wise. Im not really experienced with hero shooters so maybe Marvel Rivals is the best ever but I kinda doubt that.

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

A lot of Overwatch’s characters are just pulls from Anarchy Reigns. Widowmaker’s design seem to be a mix of Mathilda from Anarchy Reigns and Black Widow. Widowmaker’s spider eyes looking headgear seems to be a take on how Black Widow looked at a certain point in the Thunderbolts comic during the 2009 Dark Reign event, and Windowmaker’s plunging neckline is probably like that because Black Widow started being drawn with her classic costume like that in Deadly Origin...her ‘90s gray costume was also sometimes drawn that way.

[@otumanienie]

For competitive play, they actually did it really well: hearoes are easy to learn, hard to master.

[@deltasaves]

And it keeps folks like myself coming back long term.

[@IIMiikexDII]

Agreed. The heroes are way more nuanced than they appear. I've become a Cloak and Dagger main and it wasn't hard to pick them up, but then learned she can 1v1 duel almost any hero in the game with all the tech they can do. Haven't had this much fun since learning Reaper on the beta test of OW

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

a full invincible ultimate that cannot be punished is competitive? This game still needs major balancing, but most players are just casuals, so it doesnt really matter. Just let people have their fun and one of many reasons its a success. Rivals will loose players if they go competitive.

[@nicknevco215]

Like you can block jeff gulp

[@Darkcamera45]

@@nicknevco215 all you have to do is use a height ability at the exact time the three bells from his gulp sound, almost every character has some sort of height abillity

[@regittark9031]

"it's only succesfull coz it's free" Poe early access costs 30 usd, promised f2p game when it launches. Instantly becomes most played game as soon as day 1 of beta launches. Yeah... it's the cost XD

[@erhiueQWEF]

Another component is "what keeps the players around?” sure you can argue the game being free enticed them to come through the door, but if the gameplay is dog shit, they're just gonna turn around and walk out. 😂

[@tatakillers4944]

same if you pay same games are shit and look overwatch is still shit game while full professional people pay 70$ leave it game because they don't like it for that there is twitch that are more playing for example diablo 4 people still pay 100$ and it is one of the worst game i have seen in my life while poe2 30$ was successful :D

[@lakesong7566]

​@@erhiueQWEFAnd to further drive your point, it's insanely easy to uninstall a free game and never come back. But a game you paid for, you might come back when they fix things. So player retention for f2p games is indeed a hard thing to do

[@AizenIsKubo]

​@@tatakillers4944 If you aren't good at English that is fine. No worries. BUT if you are good at English, then my dude, use some COMMAS and PERIODS.

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@tatakillers4944overwatch 2 is actually free as well lol and it’s still crap

[@arcturus64]

"People are tired of hero shooters" You mean like Marvel Rivals and Deadlock? Because those two pulled quite a lot of players strangely...

[@Peaceout599]

especially when deadlock is invite only

[@Knifykat]

Honestly thank god there all playing marvel rivals, once that dies hopefully they can all grow up or move on, so sick of hero shooters, worst game type ever. now every man and their dog is hype over some trash hero shooter with marvel themes, could not think of ANYTHING less appealing to a gamer honestly marvel is so over saturated, get rid of it, it ended years ago

[@Nobody0117]

​@@KnifykatYour name is "Space Kitty" and you're out here talking about people needing to grow up lol Try trolling a little harder next time

[@claytonfenton3207]

​@@Knifykat You must not be fully aware that Marvel has almost 100 years in the business and has thousands of characters that they can pull from for anything that they want to do. They have even killed off a few hundred completely in the '80's.

[@Knifykat]

@@Nobody0117 My reference to "growing up" had nothing to do with maturity, just a statement about old game types and overdone things. not age. we are talking about video games? you need to work on your trolling skills friend i just want to play video games without seeing marvel in every single game i play, liked them alot in comics as a kid, liked the movies too, years go by.. then the tv shows were a bit much dragging on and on, now its STILL going... aaaaand now it has its own popular game.. thats all im saying

[@boredenthusiast8169]

You can also see the love and passion from the developers on this game as they also animated the individual sprites on the selection screen where it could just have been just a single image of the character and highlighted to be selected.

[@nobody8717]

overwatch: im a hero shooter. marvel rivals: yeah, cute. i'm a SUPERhero shooter.

[@epzo]

corny

[@somethingsuperserious]

😭​@@epzo

[@disalazarg]

Overwatch: what's the difference? Marvel Rivals: PRESENTATION!

[@Tetridy]

Not really a saturated market eh?

[@Kensuke0987]

to be fair, there hasn't ever been a Marvel hero shooter before (as far as I'm aware)

[@madmaxmel]

No, if a large proportion of competing products are mediocre, it is then easy for the consumer to choose the best one.

[@Apophis1010]

Fun games rise to the top. Its a very simple formula. Doesn't matter the genre. DEI removes fun.

[@FOXofOJAI]

​@Kensuke0987 It's overwatch reskinned, but I'm not complaining! It's fun

[@TwoBs]

No, it’s definitely saturated - _oversaturated_ even … let’s not kid ourselves here and pretend otherwise to try and make a point. However, the vast majority just have the standard formula where what the player wants in terms of characters, game mechanics, etc. are seen as an afterthought compared to profits. Profits are their main concern - chasing trends for quick cash grabs, ignoring all criticism in the process. It’s just this game managed to show that if you make a good game and give what the players are starved for despite the market being so saturated with both BR games _and_ superhero shite, profits can and will come easy (even with both). Make no mistake: this game is definitely after profits and making money, as they all are, it’s just they understand the formula a bit better than the others. Now, only time will tell if they continue to keep their ear to the ground to continue this newfound success they’ve found themselves in … or if they’ll succumb to the same bullshite all the others before them fell into for those profits. Right now, things are good, but realistically … can’t really give it continuous and outstanding praise this early on when there is always time to take a different route (if they continue to remain on “top” like they are now).

[@FaizalKuntz]

Ubisoft need to send the reviewer to Disney land just to have people play their games and give it good reviews. Meanwhile good games sell well by simply just be a good games that people actually wanted to play.

[@jaandjay]

Overarching problema is that theree were too many healers withaverage to above average damage, meaning you can run 3 healers, 1 tank/CC and 1 dps. ..where 2 healers being used as dps due to higher dps....basically made teams invisible with 3 healers getting CCed to death

[@Crayzyy]

Vengeance Psylock has probably sold more skins than most of over watch did last season. People don't want every character to be gay and trans. We want traditional masculine and feminine characters

[@kylesawkon4074]

Also is her classic look people appreciate comic accuracy in their favorite heroes

[@pedee9616]

It actually reminds me in a way of For Honor. The idea that if you master your fav character, you can beat anyone even if the opposing character is OP. You could run anyone and be successful if you knew the character well enough. I mean it also has a player base still to this day.

[@bungdilly6333]

Why I think they dont explain mechanics well, if you play it long enough you figure it out

[@BadgerSurf]

The Marvel universe contains a number of beloved characters which are multi generational. The game has specifically chosen the characters which target the widest audiences. 10 year olds and 40 year olds know who Spiderman and Wolverine are.

[@zuriyel5368]

Which is smart. So is adding a ton of characters that the general public doesn't really know like Magik or Jeff, but making the art design and gameplay so good that people become interested in them. They're even talking about adding Jeff to the MCU. And while I get that some people would love for Danny Rand to be Iron Fist in this, truth of the matter is that the Netflix show harmed the public perception of his character, but having Lin Lie be the Iron Fist instead is positive PR for the Iron Fist brand.

[@vampuricknight1]

And there are also multiple variants of each. Don't like wolverine in a jacket and grew up with the yellow and black xmen suit? It's in the shop. Yeah it sucks its behind a price tag but it's cool you can play as the version of a character you grew up with from the comics or other games/media.

[@pubplays368]

Most people don’t know who cloak and dagger, Namor, Moonlight, Jeff etc is. A good chunk of the roster isn’t known by the mainstream audience. Yet the game play is straightforward and the skins are solid. It doesn’t take a genius to see why people love the game since it’s very casual friendly with good art design.

[@jamesstrickland8696]

@@vampuricknight1right. Then again, the game is free. It’s got to be monetized somehow to keep it alive. It’s reasonable imo

[@vampuricknight1]

@@jamesstrickland8696 Thats how i see it too. Free game but monetization wise if you are enjoying it putting in $20 - $60 isn't awful for the quality of game you are getting.

[@metalguitarman01]

One thing about the shop in rivals that I think doesn't get enough attention is you can buy in super small amounts of the premium currency. So, you're not forced to spend 40 dollars on the premium currency to get a 21-dollar skin like overwatch does.

[@adflash6721]

Concord:- We are Inevitable Marvel Rivals:-........... And I am..

[@yxcvbnmyxcvbnm9353]

Wrong universe

[@ballamoreyululbihh]

Superman DC

[@Djindas]

....Iron-man

[@IncognitoActivado]

Are you a tencent fanboy?

[@kursed2808]

Implying Concord is Thanos when in reality it's Stilt Man

[@MrHillBilly-j7f]

The amount of characters they can add to this game is insane. They have characters to release for the next decade at least if not more.

[@jordanwood3150]

Hero shooters have never been my thing, but I might check this out just because Magik is in the game and she was always one of my favourite mutants.

[@jordanwood3150]

So after playing a few rounds, I can say I am absolutely hooked. Magik plays exactly as i would want and expect her to. Got my ass handed to me by a Scarlett Witch a few times though.

[@cynicals1n]

Ye always been a rts player but I LOVE that you can outplay people with brains alone most of the time

[@Nheom]

I don't know a lot about magik but man is she cool and play exactly how I expect a great sword wielding magic user would play as

[@Haywood_Jablowme]

@@jordanwood3150 lol I played for like a week and I kept getting shit on so I switched to Scarlett Witch and started dropping 20+ kills a game

[@alexstewart4077]

@@jordanwood3150scarlet witch is more of a noob stomper anyways. Magik on the other hand is disgustingly and can stomp in high elo wish you best at mastering her kit

[@williehawkinsii4845]

10:00 Correction the damage buff and other passive stats that are given to characters does not require the other characters to have him active

[@FaintSmile66]

"the girl that looked like thugnificent" had me on the damn floor.

[@vokuhila6913]

the marvel name also hard carries the casual audience for this game, i has so many friends who havent played games in years just hop on to try this game specifically just because of marvel

[@taylorcliff6609]

This was a great move from marvel. I only started playing cause i am a marvel fan. Game perfect for us aside from the optimization. Why is gaming companies trying to bring in more players that arnt hard out gamers a bad thing? unless I'm misconstruing what you're saying

[@zacharyjennings7675]

@@taylorcliff6609where did he say it was a bad thing?

[@wild5851]

@@taylorcliff6609I mean it wasn’t a good move from marvel I’d argue the only good thing they did was pitch it to a director who loves the marvel universe, the way the director talked about how he felt when he received the job, he was super excited to bring all this amazing characters into screen

[@taylorcliff6609]

@@zacharyjennings7675 no, was implied though. i wanted to clarify that what he meant wasn't intended to be bad hence why i also stated that i probably had it misconstrued.

[@zickbone]

i think on a subconscious level the fact that they didn't go more like the MCU movie char in terms of designs makes it feel more genuine and not give you that nagging movie tie-in slop alert in the back of your head.

[@vampuricknight1]

True, I do like they've thrown a bone to people that did like the characters designs from the movie/shows/comics they grew up with in the shop. Yeah it sucks its behind a pay wall but it's cool you can play as rocket raccoon, quill, mantis, or groot specifically from the GotG movies.

[@Pablo-yd6gc]

Really good take, agree 100%

[@remondewa6224]

My guess on IP license wise, and you will need pay million USD for using MCU film. The game money budget will thru the roof

[@xd3athclawx554]

@@remondewa6224 You pay a ton for the license to use that IP, then you sell it in skins to hope on making a return and profit.

[@disappointedturtle9578]

Only issue i've had with identifying who is who is with very specific characters that have stuff they throw down. Peni is the main issue on this front, if there's 2 in the game its hard to tell sometimes if a landmine that's at your feat is your peni's or the enemy peni because there's no visual difference unless your's or the enemy has a skin that changes the color. That is the only instance i can think of in regards to confusion with what's going on and because the landmines are meant to be at least a bit subtle in the middle of combat i don't know what a fix would be other then making allied penie's stuff glow brighter. I also don't think media doesn't know why something is succeeding or failing, they know and they just don't want to say it out loud or even downplay it to make it seem likes it not that cool or its not that bad. It would mean they are admitting they are wrong or even admitting defeat. If you are going to go with an ugly design, have it mean something or represent the character in a fashion. Key points of this is the scotmans from Austin powers or hell the Blob from xmen. They could add the blob into marvel rivals, who is a fat ugly soab and he would probably be going around, flopping his massive weight on people and rolling over people like a giant meatball but he has a whole character based around him being like that and its a bit comical in some ways.

[@llIIIlIIIlllII]

The only thing I don't like about Rivals is that Thor is bigger than Hulk.

[@wondering_hand0985]

I’m pretty damn positive Thor is actually bigger then hulk in the mythology

[@johnway8819]

He's not lol? Have you seen Hulk when he activates big form? way bigger than Thor lol

[@超-s7w]

Even Wolverine can kill Magneto

[@nirorit]

@@johnway8819lol lol

[@nicknevco215]

Wolverine to big to

[@CrzyLion]

Remember when the main defense of concord was that nobody was waiting for a new hero shooter? i member

[@VanceHelw]

Overwatch forgot they were originally "TF2 for gooners" , then they added the diversity wheel into their character creation philosophy. Marvel Rival just simply make "OW for gooner" and no wheel. EZPZ.

[@MessyPointedBlob]

I really haven't seen them do anything too dumb due to "diversity". But they did make the game unfun because they wanted to force becoming a esports gaming destination. Which while it appeals to tryhards, does not appeal to your casual gamer to suffer.

[@Stxrend]

@@MessyPointedBlobthey stopped making rule34 hot characters

[@IgorJCorrea]

This diversity wheel was never used in the development on anything in overwatch, stop believing any bullshit you read online, a separate team they made at blizzard used ow characters as an example but the devs themselves never used it

[@ElementVoidX]

they also made a fun game gooner games will die if the gameplay is bad.

[@GigglingStoners]

@@Stxrend They tried to go back to that with Juno but too late.

[@OJViews]

Your right about skill gaps with seasons and temporary paid for battle passes etc. In FC 25 FUT, new updated players almost break the game in PVP matches. Luckily it's single player mode provides rewards to catch up to most recent releases but you have to already be good enough to stand a chance getting the more tangible players and have the right kind of packs available

[@toddlowe8491]

Players won’t agree on expiring battlepasses due to gate keeping and exclusivity, Funcom as an example wanted to reuse its first battlepasses on Conan Exiles for new players who didn’t get the chance to complete it before but all the gatekeepers who did it back then went crazy and basically bullied them out of doing it just from a sheer gatekeepers pov. It’s that simple man. Look at the fortnite Og skin drama people just wanna gatekeep what they earned exclusively at a certain time.

[@dtg9k355]

I mean if you bought it at the same time as the "ogs" your an og. I see no issue

[@toddlowe8491]

@ I have no desire to be referred to or refer myself as an “OG” bro I don’t care what skins or cosmetics anyone else has got I only care about the ones I get. And some games come out half baked at rip and when content is added overtime and the game becomes more popular it’s a shame that newer players can’t get the same rewards because they’re time locked. Conan Exiles pre order chest piece is cool as and I bet 95% of the people who have it no longer play the game lmao

[@oldyoutubeaccount]

Expiration is reasonable if it's far enough out. If you give me 6 months to complete a pass that takes logging in 6 times in 3 weeks to complete, that's fine by me.

[@disalazarg]

Agreed, and that's why for all its flaws, I love Halo Infinite's Battle Pass system: I stopped playing for 3 years, recently went back to it, and I can buy and/or progress whichever battle pass I want. But a secondary option is one that has been used by Fortnite in the past, which is to simply sell them separately. Like with the Cybertruck, which you can buy in the store even though it was originally an event reward.

[@haydenlowe4478]

People complaining that they buy something during a certain thing with no effort involved or gameplay loop challenge then complain when it comes back for newer playersis just dumb imo

[@xChimkin]

if anyone is wondering, paying a service to get YOUR data removed is blackmail

[@risboel17]

you could always do it yourself, but thats a lot of work, they are just offering to do the work for you.

[@MericatCi]

i would love them to simply add a full fleshed out fun PvE mode and slap it as "we didnt make marvel rivals 2 for that one, it would be a horrible idea"

[@fidmid]

Best commercial in history: "No sequel necessary."

[@HDGaminTutorials]

Don't need a pve mode would be boring and a waste of resources I want more maps gameplay modes and characters

[@disalazarg]

​@@HDGaminTutorialshe's referencing OW2's pre-release sales pitch.

[@locus-studio]

i wish there is story mode based on the comics, would be so fun to live out some iconic fights from the comics

[@pubplays368]

@@HDGaminTutorialsYou’re in the minority. Most people want a PvE mode. Especially when it involves marvel characters.

[@masarothgames]

Battle passes not expiring is awesome! Helldivers 2 did this as well. Do we know if store skins expire or do they stay forever?

[@Lundershot1]

Another thing that’s impressive about this game is the fact marvel can easily use it to hype up there new release movies. Having the character able to be played a month before the release of a movie would build so much free hype for the movie and get people actually invested in the character.

[@taylorcliff6609]

interesting point actually.

[@tommydacomicguy741]

That would ruin the game. Hollywood ruined comics with too much influence. Too many cooks.

[@vtrjnkhole1017]

No

[@raybp7512]

Yeah this makes so much sense

[@hypoxxi5505]

Yo props to Asmon for letting this guys sponsor play without skipping it. That's the least he can do why playing someone else's video. BIG UPS

[@su2130]

He does that to every video he does

[@DinoNucci]

He only does it to encourage sheep to watch his ads

[@Mr_James_And_Watch]

@@DinoNucciwhat ads?

[@Casted_Shadows]

​@DinoNucci The non existent ones?

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

@@DinoNucciuh, what ads? I’ve been watching Asmon for 15 years and I’ve never seen him do an ad read even one single time

[@MiaSkylar]

Games industry is a monopoly of a few companies perma abusing their playerbase due to lack of competitors... And Riot or Blizzard were already crossing the line... but Marvel Rivals waited for this moment to step up. Finally some good competition.

[@scoopdaniels]

16:12 lol “the color effects on the side of ur screen” that show when you’re being healed are the exact ones you need to pay attention to😂 looked like you were playing punisher with horse blinders on in that last Rivals vid 👀👀👀

[@PsychoMachado]

The best thing is that this comes out a little after Concord, just to show the gaming community still likes hero shooters, as long as they are good.

[@Goldy01]

Ofc they do, there's barely any good ones.

[@PsychoMachado]

@@Goldy01 I know, but it's just another nail in the Concord coffin

[@zelge_]

21:43 SPorT

[@apolunderblade4084]

The voice crack 😂😂😂😂

[@lrfbl9402]

yes

[@kingmeerak]

😂😂😂

[@highbrow-stonebender]

Gamers live in a golden age, where titles like Marvel Rivals, Helldivers 2, Path of Exile 2, Baldurs Gate 3 are eating game company shareholder's lunch. I mean, think about it...Space Marine 2 is the weakest offering of the list I mentioned above, and it's awesome in ways we have forgotten about.

[@tripatomz3441]

Sm2 is way better then commiedivers policy of cant play unless U play our way. (Psn account required.)

[@Quintessence4444]

That really depends on the genres you like.

[@SamM_Scot]

Clearly you didn't grow up in 80s/90s as those decades were the actual golden age of gaming. Saying gamers live in the golden age today with all the nonsense going on with games from incomplete broken messes to MTs is a laughable joke :-)

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@@tripatomz3441 people still crying over that? And you dont need a PSN account to play HD2, did you try it yourself or just parroting?

[@DinoNucci]

You didn't actually mention Space Marine 2 in your list above. Fyi

[@JoseCabrera-q3q]

As someone who hated playing multiplayer games, and hadd no characters that compelled me to play overwatch, I am having a blast playing Rivals with my friends and have lots of characters in every class that I genuinely enjoy playing as.

[@Wermaiden]

Whoever said "self checkout" Is a real one. Real, 'Be the change you want to see...' energy.

[@StewartAntonio]

47:36 "If I wanna see this I'd just go to Walmart" had me laughing pretty good

[@BeTeK11]

34:40 game price is not the problem if you are playing by yourself BUT it's a huge barrier when you are trying to convince friend to try the game.

[@jacobgallagher3232]

I agree. Look at PoE2. It's a free to play game that people are paying $30 to play in mass

[@flynnwillis7042]

Best reason for the game's success is that it looks awesome. Someone compared spiderman from avengers game to marvel rival's spiderman. The difference was night and day.

[@tonyk6235]

I might be wrong but I do feel the helldivers 2 community has played a role in these decisions as the devs really do listen to their community and I feel that some games developers are looking at at the communications between them and learning (not telling) what people actually want?

[@scottm.3901]

Been too many wake up calls with no one waking up

[@magonus195]

because they are already _woke_

[@Marcus-Gold]

I think when you are brainwashed enough by the woke mob you can’t understand what went wrong. I hope they get back their sanity but it will probably take a while.

[@GigglingStoners]

@@magonus195 badumtss

[@alalalal5952]

16:30 WoW player says Overwatch (1) vas overvelming visualy and to many particle/light effects. Perfection of pure comedy, i like you Asmon!

[@SageOfLimitlessHands]

The difference is the perspective of the character. In first person it is far more jarring

[@Chairman_Wang]

@@SageOfLimitlessHands idk if it got worse but I never had an issue tbh.

[@VanWinger]

25:37 Sounds like Norm MacDonald doing his David Letterman impression "Hey... you got any gum?"

[@VanWinger]

/watch?v=2J-CLlFWlrA

[@thagift84]

So happy this game is taking off. The devs really care, and this goes to show that “if you build it, they will come”

[@gamegod733]

Non of this is surprising . Every game thats launched this past year or two that was made by a developer who wanted to make a good game has exploded with these numbers Baulders Gate Poe 2 Rivals Wukong and the list goes on and on Just make a good game and it will sell But for companies like blizzard they don't try to make a good game so they can sell it They develop monitization schemes to attach to a game

[@Selemas]

*They develop 'games' to attach to their monetization schemes

[@VincentVo-qf7cu]

4:31 the only option is run since he’s low, in that position healing just could’ve gotten himself KO but if not it wouldn’t be as rewarding since it’s a healing shark 💀😭

[@DaBe3rz]

I could see Rohnan as someone to rip off Reinhardt. Rohnan has an energy absorbing shield power, wields a hammer, Kree fly and probably charge you, and in the movies he wanted to slam his hammer down to cause mass destruction.

[@champagnedomain]

I called this success during closed beta. The game was already running flawlessly pre-launch and you could just see and feel the polish in the game. I like to add, they included several characters that I wouldn't necessarily expect, such as squirrel girl, psylocke and magik, which was a pleasant surprise and tells us they are willing to reach deep into marvels hero roster and our future character addition options are almost endless.

[@Jefftheman98]

Congratulations…..?

[@Stxrend]

@@Jefftheman98what’s the point of this response

[@Jefftheman98]

@@Stxrend griefing

[@IgorJCorrea]

Nah the beta ran like shit for 90% of people

[@champagnedomain]

@Jefftheman98 bro thinks he's griefing on the internet when he uses an anime profile picture. 😆

[@AkiRa22084]

Member when Concord said that the Hero Shooter market was saturated? Respect the male gaze, don't be woke and suddenly no saturation.

[@99milfslayer]

What does woke actually mean? Just sounds like a dogmatic term that is just supposed to trigger you but you should not give much thought about.

[@edd8914]

@@99milfslayerWoke Derangement Syndrome at this point

[@David-k1z]

@@99milfslayer What is a woman?

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

@David-k1z x chromosome. Or is it supposed to be a trick question?

[@frosty37]

@@99milfslayer no one knows. shit they would call another game woke for gets a pass in marvel rivals as not woke

[@pedromoreira6218]

people in the industry currently fear 2 things 1 the very obvious take over and interest for games that come from places like japan china korea etc because its doing what they are not. 2 the fact games like this that comes from said eastern market not only they play well they also make characters that are appealing to look at wich is something the industry is DESPERATELY trying take away. First Descendant funny enough has been adding more substance to the game based off feedback they know people like a good blend of sexiness with badassery so their basicly releasing skins that can appeal to everyone in some way and adding gameplay systems people have been asking for, so over time the game is getting better and it still has a loyal player base and sometimes thats all you need

[@fullmetal921]

Legendary Drops comments on TFD kind of irks me in that he hasn't touched the game since pre season and the devs have been bending over backwards listening to it's player base in a way I have never seen a dev team do. Also I have nearly 700 hours in and have yet to even spend a dime other then what I payed for 2 battles passes. There is still misinformation over TFD's monetization and he's perpetuating it but I expect that from him as he's a huge Warframe fan and they tend to crap on TFD at any opportunity.

[@rugnar_ow1996]

Black Widow was a thing before widowmaker rofl. 🤣🤣

[@lens_hunter]

51:16 It's funny because all the early fanart of Mei was her being fat/chubby and then they released that short of her and she wasn't, and people were PISSED.

[@johnsullivan937]

I havent played a free to play game pretty much since about 2 years after I got my first computer 10 years ago. Since then I've accumulated around 900 steam games, (Not bragging, I know thats about average for steam users). So essentially I've got a backlog of like 700 games I havent played, so have felt no desire to play a free game. Marvel rivals is the first f2p game to grab my attention in 8 years, I've downloaded and actually have a desire to play. It's fun, it doesn't have ridiculous paywalls to access competitive content, and it has no obnoxious political agendas. It feels like a game that would have come out in early 2010's which I mean as a massive compliment. It is so incredibly easy right now to make a game that's a massive hit, which is what blows my mind how so many blunders keep happening. All people want is fun games to get lost in, and not feel like they are getting ripped off.. it's really that simple.

[@matheass93]

fans of the old overwatch had to wait 6 years for another game to come out after blizzard fucked everything up.its amazing that it took so long.

[@memeticks3610]

Samegame 2™

[@AbendscheinLGN]

League and CSGO were specifically made to be an eSport. CSGO especially, it just didn't have ranked in game from the get-go. 100% miss on that comment.

[@dieterstraubel3735]

There is no such thing like superhero fatigue, there is only shitty content fatigue. Doesn't matter if it is movies, tv shows or games. We as customers are going to show up in masses if u deliver good content.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

Guess we need to make marvel movies in China then.

[@cattysplat]

Yep superhero fans showed up for Deadpool & Wolverine and Spiderman No Way Home.

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

No, there is definitely superhero fatigue. It’s just that the people playing this game don’t have it

[@Pienimusta]

Game with insanely hot characters sells better than a game with fuggly characters? Wow.

[@edd8914]

Lol they aren’t even insanely hot, just not fugly 😂

[@TheStonedZone]

I'm gonna be honest, I have played some of my other regular games that I'm not ashamed to says I have Paradox gamer levels of hours in and found myself going "I could just be playing Marvel Rivals right now."

[@GregoMyEggoLive]

Esports does not kill games, games made with esports franchising in mind kill the game. These games come out and become revised to the point where they take all the fun out of the game because the mechanics are "not intended" instead of balancing around them or allowing people to find solutions to them regardless. Imbalance does not mean the game is bad, it actually can create depth in a game when allowed to exist within certain parameters. I find that game developers are quite bad judges of this historically and is where the disconnect typically happens.