MARVEL'S ETERNALS - HOW TO FIX ITS PROBLEMS | Double Toasted

[@derivative3704]

I love critiques like this. A lot of critical reviews focus on negative points, rather than workshopping, figuring out the learnings, and trying to make things better. I'm a huge fan of constructive criticism. Thanks for making this.

[@christopherlowery3797]

I love when Korey is goofy and joking around, but when he wants to really hone in & think about something, he changes gears incredibly effectively. Perfect balance of humor and constructive feedback.

[@lexis4490]

He makes stuff himself. So it makes sense.

[@percybedford6266]

The reason why Thanos is purple is because he has the deviant gene.

[@trissc6855]

Damn, and here I thought he was just grape flavoured.

[@thecaptainslog3978]

@@trissc6855 The candy will be if Marvel produces that

[@hamhockbeans]

How come Thanos has a Skrull chin.

[@percybedford6266]

@@hamhockbeans Thanos is an Eternal with the deviant gene. His chin is part of the deviant gene he has. Thanos and Eros (Star Fox) are brothers. They have the same parents. Matter of fact, their mother tried to kill Thanos when he was a baby because she viewed him as an abomination. I actually think a Thanos film should have been done. He is a very interesting character with a lot of back story.

[@jw1415]

@@percybedford6266 At the very least, Eros would have fit in with the guardians of the galaxy humorous tone. Would have been just an awesome idea as well...

[@JustAlyx]

For me, it would have been better as an 8-episode series on Disney-plus. The 2nd hour (post-twist) is great, but there is a TON of exposition in the 1st hour with very little development of our heroes. I needed more time to invest in them. I feel like if each Eternal had their own backstory explained before the climax, it would hold more weight and resonate more emotionally with the audience. I had people falling asleep in the theatre right next to me. It's not a film for everyone and I think that's why critics are hammering it.

[@RideSmoothTV]

You are 1000% correct. It should have been a disney plus series

[@JohnnySturdivant]

I agree! This and Black Widow should’ve been a Disney + Marvel show and kept Shang ChI and Spider-Man NWH the only MCU in theatrical films

[@farley202]

I agree

[@miniman2132]

Here’s the thing, it could have worked as a Disney+ series, but in my opinion this works perfectly well as a film.

[@liferealgood]

@@miniman2132 I don’t know how you leave each episode on a cliffhanger though.

[@user-EB2016]

I had the same idea when I saw Eternals ... you could have an episode dedicated to each character to flush out everything from their personal pov from their creation to present time.

[@yakuza01]

yeah, I think Marvel/Disney is getting into that dangerous territory where they are trying to rush through things (the movies, not the series). I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I think Shang-Chi suffered from that as well. They have been building up the Ten Rings and the real Mandarin for so long only for them to only last one movie and frankly, seem pretty incompetent in it. That whole son/father drama had potential for another 2 movies. Tony Leung was underused and wasted in my opinion.

[@user-EB2016]

@@yakuza01 Yea I'm hoping Disney doesn't get to arrogant and start diluting the product, what sets them apart is how they built storylines over years ... you can get fans just as excited about these new characters being introduced in the mcu like you did before with the same formula. Now you have a cheat code with having disney+

[@exodore2000]

Basically there turning into DC (like Batman vs Superman). I say just axe sprite. But yea turn it into a series, it would have been better, it's all ready better than Inhumans. It felt influenced by Invulnerable.

[@nailinthefashion]

@@exodore2000 you mean invincible. and no, they aren't turning into DC just because there's going to be darker and more adult films lmao. "axe sprite" ah... you must not read the comics, cuz if you were familiar with the Gaiman run you'd realize how faithful this was to it lol

[@exodore2000]

@Budgie Cat DIdn't axe enough if you ask me. If it was closer to the comic though it might have been better.

[@tashaglam4824]

This film clearly had pacing issues and it feels like they were rushing through plot points rather than taking the time to actually develop the characters and give us, the audience to actually take time to connect with them. They'd introduce character after character, go into either a flashback sequence showing a brief past, and then let them react to everything that happened with Ajak. This should've been an 8-10 episode series on Disney+ before becoming a movie.

[@BliskMyth]

They should of pulled a Dune and named it Eternals part 1

[@2slowpoke929]

it's a 26 movie universe, shoulda series'd it more than anything

[@jarrettdavisart4161]

@@2slowpoke929 hell yeah as a movie not good but as a Disney plus series it woulda worked better

[@RoninJoegenji0085]

Facts

[@RoninJoegenji0085]

@@jarrettdavisart4161 yep that too

[@nailinthefashion]

there's no need to have generic numbered titles anymore. doctor strange (2) multiverse of madness spiderman (3) no way home. i think the second title works a lot better to separate each film. eternals: reassemble

[@christismellow]

I really enjoyed Eternals! My biggest issue was with that post credit Patton Oswalt troll CGI 😳 (Editing could have been a little smoother overall)

[@christopherlowery3797]

SpOiiiLeR

[@sternritternovad]

Honestly from all the negativity I expected a Thor the Dark World situation, but it turned out to be a Guardians of the Galaxy 2 flawed but enjoyable movie with a shocking number of character deaths.

[@sm512]

Exactly, iron man 2 and 3 we're worst.

[@gulinp1]

i thought movie is painfully loooooong. It refuses to end.

[@codafett]

Shocking?

[@sternritternovad]

@@sm512 Not gonna lie I actually prefer Iron Man 2 to Iron Man 1 but I actively try to forget Iron Man 3 happened.

[@sternritternovad]

@@gulinp1 I wouldn't call it painful but I can agree that you can feel the runtime as the movie drags it's feet at times.

[@TCReyes]

I hope Chloe Zhao returns for the sequel. So much of what works was because of her vision. She is an exceptional filmmaker. She has the skills to learn from this experience. With a tighter script, she can deliver something even better with Eternals 2. I truly believe that.

[@ashtonturner2862]

Agreed

[@PJVids83]

What are you, Chloe Zhao's agent?

[@clearspira]

No she won't marry you.

[@AMBWCHANNEL]

Bro... lol. Just lol. Wait a minute... Chloe Zhao is that you?

[@jarisgore7669]

Well said

[@ralph3414]

He's his actual brother. But, Thanos has deviant and eternal genes. It's like a cancerous type of situation.

[@bluebarrymore5442]

cancer is made of your own DNA, what do you mean its a " cancerous" type of situation.

[@giosbizarreart9048]

@@bluebarrymore5442 true

[@ajiththomas2465]

Eh, less like cancer and more like albino.

[@ralph3414]

I said cancerous because it was described as a mutation and anomaly in his gene as an Eternal.

[@ajiththomas2465]

@@ralph3414 Cancerous implies that Thanos' Deviant Syndrome was slowly killing him, which was not the case at all. All the Deviant Syndrome do is give him his big Purple Mug appearance and made him far far more powerful than a normal Eternal. The Deviant Syndrome didn't make him evil; circumstances in life made him evil. So no, describing Deviant Syndrome as being "cancerous" is pretty inaccurate. A more apt comparison would be comparing it to Albinoism, which makes someone look much different compared to their parents but doesn't intrinsically change them or harms them in any real way.

[@RodrequezRobinson2001]

The movie was off the chain to me, I loved it, I understand that the Eternals might not be that popular, but I liked them and hopefully we can see more of them I'm the future in THE MCU

[@gulinp1]

since they have worst box office opening in MCU, Feige will pretend they never happend

[@JavierRamirez-lx4ev]

Me too loved 🥰 it…lol.

[@miniman2132]

I have to say, I usually agree a lot with Korey and Martin, but I saw Eternals literally a few hours ago and thought it was much better then they did. Good pacing for such a long movie, great performances, the casts diversity wasn’t forced, there was plenty of good character moments for just about everyone, I loved the historical parts of the film, in particular Sprites telling of the Epic of Gilgamesh and Enkidu … not the best Marvel film, of course, but for a film that introduced so much I can’t call it a failure.

[@JavierRamirez-lx4ev]

@@gulinp1 what are you talking about? It’s pretty good…but, ok…lol

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

@@gulinp1 no that is ant-man

[@timothylewis2527]

That "drumroll" at the 26:30 is why Miss Mia will never leave Korey! . . . . I'm just saying he's a funny guy. He makes her laugh. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[@Sebanisu]

Blade should of been shown on screen, not just a voice.

[@derivative3704]

My guess is they hadn't settled on Blade's costume design yet. Otherwise nothing stopping them from going full Iron Man 1.

[@numberoftheword]

@@derivative3704 Probably, but he could be in shadow or something, be creative, this was just lazy. I also have a problem with Blade just randomly being there at the exact moment he unboxes the sword, it makes no sense.

[@clockstomper]

@@derivative3704 he didn't have to be in costume to visit a school. Blade only wears his gear at night.

[@EchoJ]

@@numberoftheword I thought the same thing about the randomness.

[@numberoftheword]

@Jetrules231 why is that relevant for a cameo?

[@miniman2132]

I have to admit, Korey and Martins less then enthusiastic review of this film filled me with doubts, and the film I saw was far better then what either of them expressed.

[@liferealgood]

I liked it too. People called it dense but the plot was simple to me and I never read Eternals comics before. Maybe because I seen some videos on KZbin years ago talking about the movie.

[@MentLeee]

From what I remember Korey liked it a lot and Martin not as much.

[@ajiththomas2465]

I got to agree with you. The movie was better than expected. Not perfect and not without its flaws but pretty good overall to be honest. The cinematography in The Eternals is easily in the top 5 of MCU films. The natural lighting and on scene locations definitely helped. It was the scene of Sersi transmuting the very big you-know-what that really sold it to me as having one of the best cinematography in the MCU. The chemistry between all the characters was also really good. I liked Gilgamesh and Thena's scenes together in addition to Kingo and his valet. I think his Valet was a pretty good addition that didn't overstay its welcome as comic relief and added something to the overall story and its themes. I also like the exposition dump we got from Arishem and how it's implications really connected a whole lot of things together. Like why the vast majority of alien species out there from the Asgardians, Kree, Skrulls, Titans, Chitauri, etc. that we've seen are all humanoid and why most of them can speak English or are even biologically able to speak the same language and even intermix and a whole lot of other stuff. I even appreciated how they laid out a tangible reason why the Celestials exist and what they do (and its connections to Ego and Thanos with their plans). I also enjoyed the post credits and mid credits scenes. Although I am a bit unsure on how they're going to mesh Eros being Thanos' brother when the prior MCU films acted like Thanos was just a Titan and not an Eternal. Thanos' projected flashback illusion of Titan made it look like all the people looked like him rather than him being a mutant among his race. Was his whole quest to kill half of all life in the universe after the people of his planet Titan were wiped out all an effort to prevent further Emergences from happening? It's an interesting twist and recontextualizing of past information and it would actually provide an answer to Thanos' question of if killing half the population of the resources to save it from overpopulation is right or not, which I felt was never really answered within Endgame. The good guys defeated Thanos once and for all but they never really provided a philosophic counter to Thanos' Malthusian calculus philosophy. It'll be interesting to see the further films go further with this idea, nonetheless.

[@Independent365]

FACTS!! I really enjoyed it too. Dont get the hate honestly.

[@tylerzimmerman757]

The first Guardians of the Galaxy mentioned the Celestials. Knowhere was the head of a dead Celestial and The Collector told the Guardians a little about the Celestials.

[@RodrequezRobinson2001]

I swear some people are just some haters, these niggas always complaining talking about Marvel needs to do something new, and that the Marvel formula is getting boring, but when they do something new and introduce some new characters into the MCU that people don't recognize, they call it boring

[@tedzagaro]

They should have fixed it before they released it. It’s like releasing an unfinished game and it gets dlc and patches later to fix it, except you can’t modify a movie once it’s seen. Aka it’s broken.

[@raynarayskye]

Personally I thought the movie was boring AF the best part was when that chick got hit in the head with a rock so what you have is a bunch of cosmic space robots defending humans from the dogs from Ghostbusters while they got to stop the cluster from Steven Universe while the flashbacks from Lost play in the background

[@kicknowledgesmith8608]

Marvels first DC movie…literally…it has Superman, Flash and Wonder-woman.

[@youreajoke6782]

Marvel tried to make a dc movie and aggressively failed. I don’t think people realize how hard it is to write compelling stories with characters that are basically gods. Zack Snyder’s Justice League did a incredible job in my opinion, it’s everything eternals tried to do but way better

[@rickyclover9393]

Man. Zack Synder had a 4 hour epic in Official Justice League way more compelling, more action, more stakes than this Marvel borefest! Chloe needs to stick to drama. Eternals sucks!

[@lawrenceallen424]

Don't forget the guy about to become a dark knight because he lost a loved one

[@CorrectFossa]

@@youreajoke6782 I think they succeeded in making a DC movie, but failed in making a good movie

[@dadarkknight36310]

@@rickyclover9393 the funny thing is this movie was almost four hours lol

[@gcolbyp]

I agree with you Korey and you’re not the first one to say this. This movie would’ve worked better as a series on Disney+ only for them to explore more of these characters. And this is coming from someone who liked the movie.

[@jackcarver5412]

For what, what is it you don't know about them that the movie didn't already tell you?

[@gcolbyp]

@@jackcarver5412 Well I mean like spend more time with the characters ever since they split up and maybe like a 10 episode miniseries would’ve benefit it.

[@jackcarver5412]

@@gcolbyp Any movie can benefit that way, people weren't interested before they even saw the movie and kept that same mentality through out the movie, you got enough of each Eternal to understand them if you think you didn't, you weren't interested or didn't pay attention

[@JamesASharp]

I actually agree as well. TV series first, then make an Eternals movie. I couldn't connect with any of these characters. The only character that I like is the female version of the Flash. That's it!

[@gcolbyp]

@@jackcarver5412 I was paying attention and I agree we got enough from most of them, but I did think some characters could’ve got more screen time especially with this many characters. Plus the whole cutting back and forth to the flashbacks was one of the things some people criticized with the movie and when it’s told out of order, it’s a hard thing to grasp for some people. That’s why Korey and many others said it would’ve worked better as a series and would’ve probably got a better reception.

[@Dr.Speller]

23:00 Yeah that was Mahershala Ali as Blade. I was surprised people didn't get that, but they really should have showed him in character saying that instead of an off-screen voice over.

[@Flounderboy15]

I think taking deviants out of the equation would help solve a lot of problems if the Eternals gets a sequel. OR (or "ARR" as Korey would say), make "our" Eternals the MCU equivalent of a deviant. The MCU has changed character traits/origins in the past to suit the movies. If the Celestial has a whole Costco warehouse of "proper" Eternals that are programed to do his bidding, then they could fight our deviant eternals who are trying to stop the cycle.

[@mattheendpod2659]

Massively even with a blonde wig and too much makeup haha

[@Sunsp0t_Lu]

How to fix the Eternals: put their asses on Disney Plus

[@clockstomper]

Biggest plot hole is the red robot would have every reason to stop Thanos. It'd fuck up his time table for the celestial birth if half of people were gone.

[@TamekoPatten172]

Thano's snap merely delayed the Celestial birth. When Endgame happened, it speeded up the timetable. That wasn't explained very well in the film.

[@JamesASharp]

The Eternals literally makes Infinity War and Endgame insignificant events. Big mistake.

[@clockstomper]

@@JamesASharp exactly, they're cultural touchstones, you can't say they don't matter.

[@HigherEdGaming]

I don't disagree very often, but I do here. The film expects you to have some sets of knowledge. Knowledge of history and human development, character archetypes, how groups operate, etc. It builds on these instead of highly individualized character development. IE - Sprites crush does not matter - sprite position in the group and resulting depression matters. (if you understand Loki, you understand sprite) Lengthening the format could solve/deepen some motivations that were explained away, but would likely also shoehorn in character development and relationality that doesn't respect the audience. A long format ends up giving me a whole episode on a character like Phastos (which I would love), but I don't need that. I got the inventor - genetic fallacy - redemption in the family arc from the 3 scenes I was given, and they were great. Edit: ALSO the Blade teaser is very clear if you know what the Ebony Blade is... [which sprite mentions earlier in the film] It's also LITERALLY CALLED THE "EBONY" "BLADE"

[@enriquepinero707]

Those were good ideas Korey. I definitely thought this should Disney Plus show or shorter movie. There were too many ideas and scenes (that were good) but not elaborated on well enough; to where it felt that the motivation behind certain things; felt rushed or thrown in completely out of nowhere. They needed to add more to it and commit to making it a show.

[@jmiester25]

I really don’t understand why people are not connecting with Druig. He’s literally the most caring individual, who wants to use his mind controlling abilities to stop people from fighting and believes humanity isn’t worth destroying for worlds that have yet to be made. And critics say there’s no message in this film? What fuckin movie did they watch?

[@JamesASharp]

Are you serious?! He's not human. That's why we can't connect with him. Duh! 😂🤣🤣

[@Ms-er1bq]

Yes. Totally should have been a TV series on Disney+. Right now, I'm fine to wait for it to come to Disney+.

[@TheKillaShow]

So you didnt see it yet? So how do you know it shouldve been a show?

[@Ms-er1bq]

​@@TheKillaShow I guess just from the sheer number of characters they were trying to introduce. I really enjoy the Umbrella Academy and WandaVision. I'm excited to watch the Boys. I watched all of Loki and Doom Patrol even though, I admit, they did get weird. For properties that have tons of characters coming in that people don't know, I think it's the best form because they have the time to develop the characters.

[@clockstomper]

Lack of personality is dead on. They usually rely on guys like Downy or Pratt to carry it. It seems like everyone but Kumail was ordered to be blank slates. If your characters are going to clash over philosophy, they should be passionate not passive.

[@singingchef23]

Or perhaps these God like beings who have seen pretty much everything would act and emote more like God's than decades old people?

[@clockstomper]

@@singingchef23 well, that's the issue with the strange retcon they forced in. If they are living God's, the movie makes sense. If they are artificial beings, it makes no damn sense. Why give them emotion? Or handicaps? Why not put all the powers into one? All the representation dies if they weren't ever born the way they are. Now it seems like stuff that was thrown in for shots and giggles by the red robo man.

[@blackalien6873]

@@clockstomper The deaf "god" is the reason I refuse to pay to see this movie. When it comes to Disney+ I might check it out.

[@xNero819]

Thanos is actually an eternal with the deviant gene, which is why he looks how he does

[@khalilwilson2586]

With that being said shouldn’t the eternals have been deployed to fight him? Since he has deviant genes and their one goal is to kill all deviants

[@ManDeLorean9]

Thanos in the MCU is not a deviant. They even say it in the movie, the reason the Eternals didn't help fight Thanos is because Eternals we're only allowed to help if deviants were involved

[@JohnnySturdivant]

@@ManDeLorean9 no not a deviant Thanos had the gene in him meaning at some point his Dad smashed a deviant with no Vaseline

[@ManDeLorean9]

@@JohnnySturdivant if he has the deviant gene that means the Eternals should have got involved and they didn't. It's a little condiluted and confusing.

[@miniman2132]

@@ManDeLorean9 well, the Eternals hunted Deviants on earth, right? Thanos was on Earth for like all of five minutes.

[@NyQuiiLx]

A TV show would’ve done this so much more justice. There was so much they tried to cram in, and it didn’t work as a movie. Movie needed a tighter focus, but a spread out show could’ve fleshed out the plots.

[@spydey2k]

2:56 - Korey invoking Johnny Cochran "And I thought the action was well placed and well paced. And I truly believe since this is the case... I truly believe that some people came in here just to hate."

[@viewmaster617]

Korey spitting Dr Seuss bars😂

[@RJ-Ramen]

Surprised Korey seems to be slightly pushing the idea that fans hate the movie. I think the hate is only from critics mostly. It’s interesting how the audience and fans have EMBRACED this movie. The discourse since the release late last week has been super positive in my opinion. I enjoyed it and respect it’s ambition & big ideas, and I think a lot of the general audience has appreciated it too. Visually it’s spectacular. Hopefully it lead Marvel to taking more risks.

[@gcolbyp]

I mean there’s some MCU fans who didn’t like it, but for the most part a lot of the audience seem to either liked or loved the movie and say they don’t think it’s as bad as critics say it is.

[@ashura3313]

That is Grace Randolph and her bullshit.

[@JamesASharp]

Well, to be fair, CinemaScore has The Eternals rated as the lowest rated MCU movie ever.

[@heroicgangster9981]

I'm just shocked that it's an MCU movie that doesn't give you enough stuff to invest in the characters. I just don't see much fan discussions or content based on The Eternals. You can say the MCU formula is getting stale, but often times an MCU movie makes people want to buy merch and invest in the characters. The only one I saw getting investment from fans is Icarus.

[@famousthaneus9810]

Part of the issue is that the Eternals, as a group, are largely background characters. Individually there's more story to tell, but as a group they're largely obscure and just known as the catalyst for mutants, inhumans, mutates, etc.

[@blakexu4943]

After seeing Dune, a lot of people went foaming at the mouth seeing eternals as being a amazon delivery truck for exposition heavy lore. Little connection and even less build up equals boring & middling.

[@heroicgangster9981]

@@blakexu4943 the connection part and escalation of events the characters react to and experience really is important. honestly I think The Eternals is a safe MCU movie, but it really did risk it when it comes to how people are experiencing a journey with the characters.

[@conallen1]

Marvels' "formula" is basically writing characters audiences feel invested in; I'm a DC fan mostly and I know that is what plagues most of their stuff..but I feel like they're getting a better hang of it. There really is no excuse from Marvel to approve of such a shoddy script. I mean TEN characters...the flashbacks came too late in the movie and after 2 hours too long I just left the theater as soo as the credits rolled cuz I was falling alseep. And Sprite, what a poor use of a character.

[@JamesASharp]

I couldn't connect with any of the characters because they're not human beings. They're not even aliens that look human. They're godlike androids/robots. And the diversity isn't a problem for me (though it's woke): the overall execution of the movie is the big problem. Poor Chloe Zhao. This movie was supposed to be her big break. Sure, she make some money so that she can buy a bigger house, but Eternals won't make her in Hollywood like SE7EN made David Fincher in Hollywood. HECK, Eternals won't make her like The Avengers made Joss Whedon in Hollywood.

[@Paranormal718]

Another solid point by Korey on Sprite's multi-century crush. It was addressed twice and just glossed over. Had to read that Sprite was the only one scowling at the wedding. The same should've been applied to Kingo in his love for film and interest and rise in Bollywood.

[@Sazzy-Jones]

Thats why invincible did so good cause they kept telling us yess viltramites look human but they aint

[@atombasher]

I actually really loved eternals

[@tylerhackner9731]

This doesn’t seem as bad as what ppl are saying

[@Peer165]

It's worse.

[@sheerri]

It’s not.

[@miniman2132]

@@Peer165 show your working?

[@swatthekat8925]

It's even worse than that. Korey was being nice but in all actuality this movie is hella boring

[@Ishma3l]

I liked it

[@meldrickedwards1464]

3:59 Is there actual prove of people review bombing the movie? I'm asking because whenever people claim something was "review bombed" they usually just say "a couple of people were leaving some bad reviews" and never actually show the bad reviews.

[@dougdeveloper8850]

Making Sprite mortal felt so inorganic to me. It was clear as crystal they had to force that in there because if they want to use that character again, the producers know she will get older and not look like that anymore.

[@krysismikhaal6123]

didnt feel inorganic atall... throughout the whole movie , we saw how much her character hated the fact that she couldnt grow up so when one of the eternals gained the power to change that for her.. why wouldnt she?.. its a no brainer.

[@betterman7233]

Felt like Chloe Zhao was handcuffed by all the baked-in Disney ideas/MCUisms and couldn't meaningfully develop the characters past skin-deep diverse amalgams.

[@theprowler18]

That to me lies at the heart of the problem with this film creatively, as well as the source material really not being strong enough to carry a film. I do hear and can agree that an episodic approach would have better suited this series more so than a long feature film.

[@RaikenXion]

Well that's basically it, that's the only reason why they hired her. Thy were never gonna let her just do her complete own creative thing lol. Also Disney were hoping thy could use Zhao to pandr to the Chinese audience and that backfired spectacularly on thm cause no one bothered to check up on Zhao's "politics" 😆

[@dnice4145]

I dont think so. She could have done better directing the acting but this movies biggest problem is in the story and writing which she had no hand in. The script was flawed.

[@zoser595]

SHE wrote the script. Do some research before you talk nonsense.

[@betterman7233]

@@zoser595 She wrote the script but she still had to include studio ideas and made comments to that fact. Follow your own advice and do research before you reply nonsense.

[@JDotWill]

If Disney+ had been around when the idea for this movie was first brought up, it may have been a show. But Eternals was announced a year before Disney+ launched. We have the power of hindsight so that’s why so many people have said Eternals should’ve been a series. But this movie was originally supposed to be released at a time where the only MCU series would’ve been Falcon & Winter Soldier. Had there been no pandemic that rearranged the slate, I wonder if the criticism had been the same.

[@jimmiegiboney2473]

1.3K Thumbs Up + Mine! 👍 Thanks for the fun video! 😎🖖 It was nice to see the wife again! Seeing the dog too, would have been a nice bonus! Hmm. A series format? If it was made for, "Disney +", I would miss out, as it costs money to use it! On, "ABC", I might get to see it, if I'm awake for it. Either way, small screen though. But not as small as this smartphone. "Deep"? What, as opposed to, "shallow"? Like in, "Shallow Hal"? 🤔. It wasn't "deep" to me, as I have no problems with the back and forth. I think that, "Lost", got me used to it. 🤔

[@cafeterialoca]

Wait til people discover that Starfox uses his power to make women sleep with him...

[@soulsimplistic]

The problem is people (as fans) have become so conditioned to you old Marvel recipe, that it's difficult to get them to try something else. On top of that, they have no interest in source material, which leaves them confused when new people show up.

[@brandonchristopher9657]

"Too much shit going on" - Korey Coleman 💯💯

[@cremetangerine82]

My criticism of “The Eternals” is two-fold: 1. This pushing “Dune” off of IMAX screens seems unfair, since there maybe a crossover audience for both, 2. The amount of press from Marvel bragging about their “first love scene“ feels like they are breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back.

[@skygun5013]

Korey tries to play neutral but he's so pissed that this movie was a critical and box office failure.

[@rommix0]

It's inevitable considering how long marvel had a winning streak. What begins must come to an end.

[@riddim]

Not a box office failure

[@coreylevine8095]

It could still make $500 Dollars

[@michaelriverside1139]

This movie could've just been about the Eternals struggling with more intelligent Deviants rather than cramming them in the first half just to sideline them in the second half...

[@burgerkingas7027]

This right here. This first movie should have just been Eternals vs Deviants, save the theology lesson for the sequel.

[@singingchef23]

I'm not complaining about comic book movies because it feels like the comics. Every book/story wasnt gold.

[@eightykakes15]

Endgame, for me, was just that… the end. Everything after are side “What If” projects. We could actually get films about all the colorful, interesting unknown Marvel characters, but we need Spiderman: Nursing Home and Captain Marvel: Manager Now!… knew this would happen. The MCU was too good to be true.

[@DavesGroovesandCreations]

Very true. In my opinion, making at least a mini series first, setting up and teasing some of the characters in a separate movie, and then maybe making the movie a sequel to the show instead (perhaps even a crossover movie with other characters) would’ve solved some of these problems easily. 👍🏾

[@Peer165]

Korey has ripped apart far better movies, for sport.

[@cdeuceriley4044]

The difference between introducing them from how they did the avengers is, they all came from the same beginning…. I agree it could work better as a show though

[@YungLanxx]

Yeah I don’t get how people don’t understand something so simplistic, how would they get separate origin stories when they literally all start at the same time together…

[@HendoCalrissian]

Toxic Fans: Marvel films are too formulaic. Also Toxic Fans: this isn't even a Marvel film. 🤣🤣🤣

[@antwanjenkins6735]

Lmaoo bro that's why it's hard for me to take some fans seriously. It's like when it comes to Spider-Man: No Way Home marketing, they complain about trailers showing too much, but when a movie shows a lot of trailers, then they complain that they show too much 🤣🤣🤣

[@YungLanxx]

This is it pretty much, people seem to make up their minds before even watching the movies and come up with mental excuses throughout the films to back their pre judged biases..

[@jw1415]

Fans are fickle. You can't satisfy them all. That's why so many studios strayed away from comic book movies in the past. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. Watch the level of sobbing when less are made as a result...

[@terrancesullivan1497]

I think over time we will appreciate this like we appreciate Captain America the First Avenger now. I really feel that is setting up all the cosmic things that happened in Marvel showing that there's more than just Earth for the universe to revolve around.

[@cmike123]

I agree. Guardians of the Galaxy was an aberration. Most of the intro movies are bad, and this came after a major event like Endgame. I think the Spiderman formula worked best. Introduce a few group members in an established hero movie to build interest before giving them the intro.

[@richardcopeland5934]

What you have to remember, is that Chloe Zaoh approached Kevin Feige to direct it. Because she claimed that Feige liked what she pitched. But Feige was wrong in thinking, that an oscar winner like Chloe, was the right person for the job. She knew nothing about Jack kirby's creations. And in my view, she was definitely not the right person to direct it. Eternals is not a great movie at.

[@ashtonturner2862]

We'll agree to disagree

[@JamesASharp]

You're absolutely right. Poor Chloe Zhao. The Eternals was supposed to be her big break. But instead, this movie won't make her in Hollywood like SE7EN made David Fincher. HECK, The Eternals won't make her like THE AVENGERS made Joss Whedon in Hollywood.

[@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677]

Had zero connection to the characters and by the third act I just wanted big dude to be born and everyone to die

[@mattheendpod2659]

I love these guys so much. Relationship goals.

[@christopherlowery3797]

For as much as they used to (playfully, usually) bicker on the podcast, seeing them master their on-screen chemistry has been pretty awesome.

[@mattheendpod2659]

@@christopherlowery3797 honestly.

[@tahnadana5435]

so, are you saying that if a "super hero" who are created to live eternally, but given a disadvantage, he/she wouldn't do anything about it? search for ways to overcome it? or even at his/her lowest point wont get corrupt by it? even gods from myths get their disadvantages later, not created with.

[@drunkdealer583]

I agree. Eternals should have been a 8 to10 episodes show. You can expand the universe and concentrate on the character development more.

[@videolife101]

Marvel should have split it up into three movies and had a story that takes place on Titan and showing a younger Thanos in a flashback. Also, it should have been called a. sci-fi odyssey and moved away from the superhero label.

[@coreylucas5346]

This movie was a beautiful mess. I SAID THE SAME THING, KOREY. MAKE A DAMN SHOW.

[@sinshenlong]

9:50 completely agree- as a show it would be a masterpiece. All of the characters have really good backstories but you cant examine them properly in the time given in the film

[@josephmoore514]

I always said There are COMIC cannon MARVEL fans and the MOVIE MARVEL fans who have no clue when they see certain heroes or villians.

[@javimendoza6966]

I understand that some people liked it but I didn’t I’m glad marvel is trying something different but this wasn’t my cup of tea Marvel is getting better with the humor

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

That sucks that you didn't like it like I did but if they make another I hope you would like that one

[@ak14serko44]

@Javi Mendoza totally agree with you on this especially their costumes are bad and didn't even respected the original source material.

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

@@ak14serko44 I didn't mind the costume change but I do wish that they went back to the drawing board with them but not all costumes have to be acurate

[@ak14serko44]

@@tobiaslawrence8928 yeah definitely something they could have made certainly

[@ak14serko44]

@@tobiaslawrence8928 another that many won't take into consideration, that I realized recently , was that Marvel is aware that their comics department has been a disaster in terms of sales and no more popular even among their hard-core fanbase especially the old school. Reason they're relying heavily on the movies just made those characters popular.

[@jrojas2520]

Eternals does not suck. I gave it a full price.

[@cherblairbear]

I would've taken the different approach. I would've made the story start out with heroes but at the end you realize they're the villains all along.

[@Becky828]

I got a feeling if they had did a Pirates 2 and 3 or a Harry Potter split, people would have lost their crap about that. A show would have been way better even it was just 10 30 minute episodes.

[@christophergarrett7082]

I think the flashbacks killed the momentum of the movie that was my main problem. Why is harry styles not purple in the movie of he's thanos brother. It ended on a weird cliffhanger.

[@godclothshango1194]

Maybe randomly plucking indie directors to make big budget films is not always a great idea.

[@miniman2132]

What about the direction was bad though? I thought the film was directed well, beautiful and was very well paced for such a long film.

[@luffylength]

I just hated how they ended it, with the black knight character staring into the sky all serious like it's anything he could do about a fucking celestial

[@mysticshadowzz8035]

8 outta 10 .I don't really like the Disney plus idea because a lot of people aren't gonna get Disney plus for 1 show

[@NYCKZ360]

I think everybody maybe agree that this should’ve been a tv show.

[@joshuahermanson341]

Stopped watching MCU after Endgame. Not for any distaste of particular characters. It just felt like a TV show that went past its prime. To me, the MCU is the cinematic version of The Simpsons: something that's just gonna be there from now on.

[@MonochromeTrouble]

Yep. The only thing that interests me now is Blade.

[@joshuahermanson341]

@@MonochromeTrouble I can understand that. And not to stifle your interest, but if they even think about doing Blade PG-13, then it's an instant pass for me.

[@MonochromeTrouble]

@@joshuahermanson341 Oh no, I agree. It's always possible to make it PG-13 & have it be at least decent, as it all depends on execution, but it seems to me it would be strangely easier to go for a hard R.

[@joshuahermanson341]

@@MonochromeTrouble If nothing else because if they take R rated away from Blade, you know Deadpool is next.

[@MonochromeTrouble]

@@joshuahermanson341 At that point, he's Deceasedpool.

[@woodbridgesfinest1904]

Yes agreed, could have taken their time, with a series

[@mikielsahagun6054]

Definitely needed a series

[@braydenjoelcosalan3039]

This made me think that the Eternals was an experiment by Marvel to see how they'd introduce the X-Men as either a movie or a series since they have a ton of characters to introduce.

[@APDaBaron]

Man the X-Men don't need a fucking introduction LMAO. They were Marvels biggest franchise in comics for like 60 years. and they got like 7 movies.

[@braydenjoelcosalan3039]

@@APDaBaron I see where you're coming from ahaha but the only real characters they've developed in the movies were Wolverine, Magneto and Xavier lol the rest were like side characters or portrayed wrongly

[@APDaBaron]

@@braydenjoelcosalan3039 That's pretty accurate. As a Cyclops fan they did my boy dirty, they did Gambit dirty too, shit actually they did a lot of characters dirty. good point. I don't think Marvel will make the same mistake.

[@dominiquewashington2553]

@@APDaBaron you mean like how they killed Darwin a mutant that can adapt to any thing

[@APDaBaron]

@@dominiquewashington2553 Yeah, that was stupid even in the context of the film. BUT that being said, I hope they actually are willing to establish Darwin, and hell maybe even havok. But I don't wanna see them do a rehash of the Original X-men or long established fan favorites, It would be like doing Batman's origin again.

[@alexdurain3753]

I’ve got a few ideas: 1- Cut the Deviant villain, as well as his fellow survivors. They add nothing to the film story or plot wise. This allows for more character development among the cast. 2- have the Eternals keep their memories from past lives so that their conflict over saving humanity, and stopping the Celestials birth has more weight. This also helps Thenas PTSD make more sense. 3- Make Phestus the main character. His journey and character development are the most interesting amongst the Eternals. 4- Remove the “MCU Humor”. Every time it reared it’s ugly head it was awkward, no one in my packed theater was laughing. Keep it subtle like when Gilgamesh’s raspberry pie feel out of the pan. 5- drop the after credit stings. We’re never gonna hear from Thanos’ rapist brother, or Blacknight and Blade again. This worked in Pre-Endgame Marvel because it all built towards the end goal. Be it the Avengers, or Thanos. I loved this movie but it is indeed heavily flawed.

[@d.r.dorsey8563]

Blade is going get a movie or tv series

[@Wooshey_Wooj]

How did Korey pronounce The Chitauri? “Chuu-Cha-Too?” Lmfao!

[@tomhyland8799]

Everything is so shorthand in this film, the characters had no chance to develop beyond one or two traits each. Can’t say I’m very excited to see any of them in subsequent MCU entries tbh.

[@terraganbrouk9060]

Game of Thrones is all over this movie! It's got both Kings in the North, a character names Cersi (spelled differently), and Ramin Djawadi (same music composer).

[@louisebrooks1571]

Oh, please don't prop up Better Help. Fun fact (my fault) if you sign up, they start charging you even if you don't have time to meet with a therapist. $800 later, I was all "WHAT???" Yeah... unless they have changed their business model, RUN!!!

[@RaikenXion]

I think this is where Kevin Feige's success is going to slide and i think it's mainly because he's simply trying to be woke now. I will say it does very much look like the Spiderman No Way Home and Dr Strange look very good. 4:39 Korey that's it right there lol! It's when the director is basically just doing a pick and mix of "diversity characters", where they're only there to check boxes. And people can see this a mile off that's why they have problems with the movie.

[@anthonygraham8122]

I actually liked it.

[@ob2395]

Absolutely needed to be a show, 100% accurate. It was actually a really badly missed opportunity. A long and complex story squeezed into two and a half hours, whereas Falcon and Winter Soldier was a two hour movie stretched over six weeks. Marvel rarely mess up, but they really got these calls wrong.

[@Becky828]

I had the same fix as Korey. The what. That's great.

[@ibarf24]

😆 🤣 It's hilarious to hear Kory claiming to be all adult and mature about all this, while immediately trying to passive aggressively TELL YOU why you didn't like the movie and WHAT YOU HAVE TO CORRECT ABOUT YOURSELF to like it! YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM... NOT THE MOVIE! 🤬🤬 YOU SEE HOW MATURE I'M BEING ABOUT THIS! 🤪🤪🤪

[@dadarkknight36310]

It’s funny. He is the same person that was talking about us dc or Synder fans doing the same thing. Now the shoe is on the other foot lol

[@jarrettdavisart4161]

This movie would have worked better as a Disney plus series not a movie

[@lightsoutmedia73]

I really think it would’ve worked better as a Disney+ show IMO

[@redbuick]

Have not seen the movie, but I know the characters mentioned from the comics. It sounds like from the description korey made, it should have been a tv show.

[@Becky828]

I guess I grew up on the original cast of power rangers and was already used to the casting technique. Were these woke pushers mia back in '93? Was that what they meant by PC?

[@serenityq26]

nope. thats why we got pc in the 90s due to the woke haters and now in the 2020s we have woke instead of pc.

[@darianlynch2687]

What do you all mean by “woke pushers”? #WeKnowWhy

[@ToddBundy]

@@darianlynch2687 they don't know what they mean. They don't know what woke means. They hear it on fox news and regurgitate it over n over

[@ampecsu]

Yellow ranger was Asian, black ranger was black lol

[@nailinthefashion]

they were busy funneling all their time and resources into Xmen lol. politics, diversity, LGBT representation etc all for us. power rangers tried but ended up being a stereotype smoothie. the white ranger being a straight white guy was always really funny to me

[@conallen1]

I really hated the story line about Sprite, and Dane...I really wish they did a movie on ONE of them first because by the end...most of them I didn't care about and Angelina Jolie deserves better...that being said Makkari and Druig were my favorites characters in the film. I really wish we had more time with them. I wanted to know more about Makkari and Druig, wish they had their own movie.

[@simonsez5198]

I like the movie and enjoy it very much

[@deyontar3462]

It seem as if Korey's issues stem from him not understanding the story. It's a film that requires you to think and I disagree with them making it a series. If you thought the 2 1/2 hours was boring your definitely gonna think 6 hours are boring even more

[@Ramen_Hibachi]

I just saw it the film was alright

[@Zandersaurus]

The only problem making The Eternals a series instead of a movie is that not everyone is subscribed to Disney+ and Disney+ isn’t available to some international. Fans would be lost and confused without watching the Marvels shows

[@DetroitAlan01]

Marvel Films has put out over 24 movies, none of which could be deemed failures. Because of this, audiences and critics alike have come to be somewhat resentful of the MCU-claiming it to be highly formulaic. Due to this, Marvel needed a failure. I think that’s what the Eternals is, a controlled failure. It won’t be a complete disaster, but it will still be widely seen as a critical and commercial misfire. Then, when No Way Home drops, all this talk of a predictable formula will be forgotten and it may very well generate a pre-covid blockbuster, box office haul. Just a theory of mine.

[@DetroitAlan01]

@Budgie Cat- it’s bonkers. But, look at the Eternals highly troubled publication history. No one cares about them at all. Then, look at the director Marvel got. It’s basically a retread of 2003’s Hulk-but with characters that were never popular to begin with. Feige’s too damned good for this to be totally by accident. Once again, just a theory.

[@DetroitAlan01]

@Budgie Cat - I’m holding to my entirely speculative theory. Why else would Kevin Feige approve a AAA theatrically released adaptation of a property even the most diehard of Marvel fans don’t care about and never have? Why else would he pick a talented director who was not a good fit for this genre? Feige knows what works and what doesn’t. That’s why he’s the one in charge of the MCU, and the MCU has been an unqualified success. Based on the work he’s done so far, it really does feel like this was failure by design. Too many questionable decisions by someone who, in general, doesn’t seem to be prone to that.

[@alexslide653]

So, the way to fix a movie is...not to make a movie. I totally agree! Man, this movie is just not a good one. Not even for a comic book movie. Hate can not be the drive of the majority, because quality beats hate eventually. For exemple: you and Martin burning down Tarantino's house once a week in your show didn't hurt him because , guess what, quality wins...not hate.

[@Dr.Speller]

I had this thought, too - they should have taken advantage of that Disney Plus platform.