Deltarune: the Genocide Timeline Theory (Deltarune + Undertale)

In Deltarune Chapter 2, we can see Asriel's Room in the Queen's Castle. Not Ralsei's, Asriel's. Could this prove that Undertale is connected to Deltarune once and for all?
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[@BanditGames]

Thank you guys so much for checking this out. I was super nervous to upload an Undertale/Deltarune video, since it's branching into a new area: but I'd love to hear what you guys thought! Much love

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Awesome Video

[@_delta_music_]

Love it so far!

[@Cliffordlonghead]

I was listening to undertale and watching undertale video before you published this video

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Thanks

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Undertale music

[@_insomniac_423]

I think that Asriel’s room, and everyone else’s in the Queen’s Manor for that matter, is actually just the representation of the people who have used the library’s computers. This makes sense as each room is connected to the “GUEST” Hall. As in logging onto a computer as a Guest.

[@budderguy2128]

That also explains why it’s just students with rooms, no other characters in town

[@XD-yn6hb]

So, Kris closed their eyes so that the player couldn't see Asriel's search history, cool.

[@devindurds6497]

Does that mean Ralsei used a computer in the real world?

[@XD-yn6hb]

@@devindurds6497 No, because he either isn't able to exit the dark world or just doesn't want to.

[@devindurds6497]

@@XD-yn6hb ok

[@Cri_Jackal]

Chara didn't just "become ill" in Undertale, they purposefully poisoned themselves with buttercups so they could die and have Asriel absorb their soul. That was "the plan".

[@joshuasgameplays9850]

I don't remember that, Could you please reply with a link to your source, Or if it is in the game a link to a video or picture of it

[@Cri_Jackal]

@@joshuasgameplays9850 it's in the tapes in the True Lab, it's buried within some level of subtext, but Asriel's continued reference to a "plan" makes it pretty obvious. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpKTeWOCiqqUi7M

[@naolucillerandom5280]

@@joshuasgameplays9850 "Yes, I do remember when we accidentally almost poisoned our dad because we read some instructions wrong, what about it?" Next tape: "Hey... Chara... Can you stop dying? The plan was a good idea, but now I'm scared..."

[@mithraldream6238]

Chara poisoned themselves on purpose, but fusing with Asriel didn't work in the end because Asriel resisted Charas control and just let himself be killed. If Chara had a chance to reset the world by claiming another soul, they likely wouldn't go through with that flawed plan a second time.

[@egekahraman8985]

the plan is simple

[@SatoshiSosuke]

Regarding how Chara reset the Universe, it's stated that whoever wields the most determination is the one who essentially controls the world. You gave Chara all of your soul, your determination, so now Chara is the one in control. Iirc, Flowey makes a statement that he couldn't reset anymore after Frisk shows up.

[@timrosswood4259]

Kind of like how in games the player 1 has more control than player 2

[@imjustrai]

Yea but if this is the case then that means that, in terms of deltarune, the genocide route is canon and any route after completing true genocide is not since we, as frisk, shouldn't be able to perform a true reset. And I don't think Toby wanted undertale to give certain routes canonicity but others not.

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

@@imjustrai good apointment

[@CrimsonRipper]

There's a theory that states that it's not Chara who you give your soul to, but Gast

[@Nico_com_c]

@@imjustrai Solution: different timelines and the possibility to travel between them, now all the finals can be canon and everything is possible.

[@PinglanYo]

Toby fox strikes me as a very competent "know your audience" kind if writer. So knowing one of the draws to these games is the discussion surrounding it, i think he deliberatily is creating a narrative that can be percieved and understood as many different things at once. Hoping to create a "every interpretation has value" kind of duscussion around it.

[@djyoshiman9448]

Yeah, I'd like to believe that he's just soaking in all these different theories and ideas being passed around, and if some of them are great, he's like "hey, I like that" and implements it. And the story keeps just sort of keeps going in this "winging it" style (but he'll tie up any loose ends that some of the theories leave). And I like it! Or I could be completely off my rocker and he's just that much of an amazing writer.

[@noizepusher7594]

@@djyoshiman9448 he did say that his entire story is already written though

[@funtimegamer8733]

That's not just toby knowing his audience, that's just toby's style!

[@Mizar007]

@@djyoshiman9448 I mean he didn't really have fan feedback for all of Undertale. He is in fact just that good.

[@alexrivers8163]

It's more likely he is attempting to subvert expectations each time

[@verdantmistral442]

I think Ralsei's explanation that his Dark Fountain is special and has the attributes of all fountains. He might be able to survive in worlds created by other fountains as a result.

[@thegrapetree652]

His is made of "pure darkness"

[@lodgedwings7017]

Yeah, if his fountain can support all than all can support his fountain

[@qs-ii1872]

He looks identical to a Boss Monster, so he could probably hold onto his form for longer periods of time then other darkeners. Though, I strongly doubt that he even really is one.

[@Diamond1234]

I honestly thought it was because he was a 'Hero' like us so he's special. But it does make sense since he was the only one created by the first dark fountain and alone this whole time so it might be he can go into all dark fountains because his dark fountain is able to support other Darkners from other dark fountains as seen with Lancer and Rouxls Kaard turning into stone in Cyber World and not in [NAME]town. Eek.

[@Otto_Von_Beansmarck]

i was thinking it was because he was the dark prince and that maybe his position gave him some sort of special power in all the dark worlds

[@SuperDababy2]

This is a nice theory, but I feel like it's build on a not so solid foundation and kinda falls apart if you add a regular answer

[@zorubark]

Same

[@thatguywithwings3792]

I feel sorta the opposite ngl. The basis of "the genocide route is connected to deltarune and chara took your soul to become kris/a part of kris" is fairly backed up, but everything else (the motive, raseli knowing, chara breaking the barrier, ect.) kinda falls flat. I'm really hoping that next few chapters give more context as to Kris's/Chara's motives

[@kshimo7]

@@thatguywithwings3792 These genocide route theories are usually more backed up than those "player bad kris good omg player so bad" while "Kris" wants to destroy the world

[@mememan1546]

Agreed. There's too much evidence against Kris being the knight if you actually look at the game.

[@averagegenzguy2751]

@@mememan1546 Most people like to call Kris the "False Knight"

[@besnhasthefun5957]

When you give ralsei one of Noelle's rings in aborted snow grave he asks if you are proposing to him. So yeah, I don't think that ralsei knows that he is related or is related to kris.

[@catalyst539]

No, that’s Noelle’s normal ring.

[@mokarokas-1727]

NEW THEORY: the village is located in what used to be Alabama.

[@Silvercanth]

@@mokarokas-1727 What are you doing stepbro~? O///w///O

[@Epsicronics]

About the "Ralsei can exist in any dark world" thing, his fountain was specifically told to be made of pure darkness, which is why every dark world inhabitant can live inside it and why he can live in any dark world

[@averagegenzguy2751]

That might explain it. But that means that Ralsei is the only surviving Pure Darkner, that the rest were massacred. That also follow his lines of "I am a prince with no subjects" thing.

[@cloudy7263]

@@averagegenzguy2751 darkners dont just spawn, they need base objects. maybe ralsei's object was just the only present and viable base object?

[@_Lucalan_]

I love the branching out to other games and franchises! Also amazing theory!!!

[@djcj4831]

Gaster’s soul was split across all of the timelines… so he’s in deltarune too, pulling the strings of Spamton and Jevil… I’m a sucker for Toby Fox. Lost my sanity, but I beat Jevil. Still fighting Spamton NEO. Also, I play on console

[@CR1MSONACE]

I found spamton neo MUCH easier than Jevil. In genocide route, anyway. And on nintendo switch.

[@sulembape695]

I defeated spamton neo in 1 hour only for pacifist use kris and Susie for string and equip jevils tale on ralsei for additional health and in and after spamton's special attack just use that glitch of spamming a lot of big shot and try not to get hit because rage.

[@CR1MSONACE]

@@sulembape695 oh pacafist? Wait my pacafist file is back in the town after beating cyber world! Oh wait 30% more money? That's useless. Nevermind good defense/magic boosts for ralsei.

[@funtimegamer8733]

You poor soul

[@Froggediah]

I dunno how I did it but I beat spamton neo on my first shot on consle

[@friendlinessclaritin]

I love this theory, so interesting!! Another connection between Chara and Kris I noticed: At the end of the Genocide route, Chara states that the purpose of their incarnation is power. At every save point of Kris, we're filled with power instead of being filled with determination like in Undertale.

[@chalaboy27]

wow!

[@l0mad642]

To help the theory if what your saying is true, the room wouldn't be a replica of Asriel's room from deltarune. It would be his room from undertale; Chara and Arsriel had separate rooms in that game. Making a lot of sense why they would share a room together now, so they can be closer in the new life Chara created.

[@learncat8771]

They shared a room in undertale, the deltarune room even looks to be modeled after the undertale room. With two beds, parallel to each other and on the short sides of the room.

[@stef__an]

> Chara and Arsriel had separate rooms in that game. To quote Queen: "No We Freaking Didn't????" Asriel has his own room in Home, sure, but they very clearly share a room in New Home. To quote the genocide narration: "My bed.", "His bed."

[@zeo4481]

@@stef__an No he doesn't. In Home the room under renovations is Asgores room and in New Home its Toriels room. It bought serves as a link between the two sinse at that point we don't know who Asgore is . Asriel is always in the same room whit ,,Chara"

[@stef__an]

@@zeo4481 yeah, no, the person commenting said they didn't share a room, so i corrected them... i didn't say anything about asgore and toriel though

[@meliasnahtony2951]

Although I agree with a lot of this, there are some parts that don't truly make sense. For one, Ralsei doesn't actually seem as caring as you would believe, Bandit. Have you played through the Spamton NEO bossfight? Kris (Or as you call them, Chara,) is visibly distressed by what Spamton says about being a puppet. Ralsei only moves to comfort him if- and only if- you chose to take a picture hugging Ralsei. Otherwise, he tries to brush the issue under the rug. Susie, on the other hand, actually tries to comfort them. If he was created to help Kris, no matter which option we pick, he would've tried to comfort him. And speaking of Kris, there is something else that needs to be touched up upon. If you fought both Jevil and Spamton, you'd notice that they had a very similar theme. And no, not as in musical theme, but as in dialogue themes. Both talk about Freedom, with Jevil believing that being locked up in his cell IS freedom, while Spamton WANTS true freedom. He wants to see the Lightener world, or "Heaven" as he calls it. You're focusing on a singular detail, while there's so much more to see. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I need to say that you're not entirely right, either. This may not be Chara. And monsters here don't have magic.

[@marctaco2624]

They also share a musical theme, not just with eachother but also with Kris's theme "Don't Forget"

[@chocolateimpulse]

Yeah, this theory does have some holes in it, even though I would consider it a pretty intriguing theory. My biggest one that you don't mention is; if Kris is Chara, why is Kris human? It's established in Undertale that Chara hates humans, so if they have the opportunity to recreate the timeline why wouldn't they choose to be a monster instead? It can't just be a straight up reset to turn Undertale into Deltarune considering that we haven't seen a single monster use magic outside of the Dark Worlds, which means it's possible that the monsters in Deltarune just don't have magic. Toriel uses the stove in the house instead of fire magic like in Undertale, which I don't know why she would unless she can't use magic at all.

[@meliasnahtony2951]

@@chocolateimpulse It's also implied that in Deltarune, monsters don't turn to dust when they die. It's also implied (A bit more subtly, though,) that they may be cremated instead.

[@Eraser_Tracer]

@@marctaco2624 no that’s not Kris’ theme, that’s the GAMES Theme

[@Eraser_Tracer]

With the whole part with Ralsei, I think he was being kind, but also didn’t want to push it. While yeah he was pushing it under the rug, he also never had friends before so he prolly doesn’t know what to say in that situation, and while he IS hiding something ( I mean there’s no doubt about THAT) he prolly doesn’t want Kris to be even more upset, considering he prolly knows about the whole soul situation

[@mrman8444]

Along with the snow grave route thing you mentioned, if you take off noelles watch and put it on yourself, visit her dad and her in the hospital, she will be frightened by the fact you have her watch, of which you took in the dark world.

[@elitegamer9310]

She gets scared because that means everything she did in the Snowgrave route actually happened.

[@proto_maver1ck]

One thing that bugs me: "Chara" is pronounced "Kara" as in "Character" This is further confirmed by Chara's Japanese name, キャラ (*Kyara*), a shortend version of キャラクター (*Kyarakutaa*)

[@schalomforever]

Yeah! And Kris' name would be a mix of both Frisk's and Chara's name then. While the body is Chara's, the soul it contains would be that of Frisk aka the player of Undertale!

[@otomir23]

@@schalomforever the problem is - in Undertale we are giving our name to Chara, not Frisk

[@schalomforever]

@@otomir23 It seems like my theory of the two names being combined into one character is highly unlikely. If anyone is interested in who Kris is, there is a really well researched video by JaruJaruJ on that topic. That guy makes great analyses!

[@luvcherry]

yeah chara is just the placeholder name in the code short for character, canonically their name is whatever name you put in at the start yet a lot of people don't get that lol

[@proto_maver1ck]

@@luvcherry It's just easier to refer to them as Chara instead of their name constantly changing Like one post calls them Laszlow and another one calls them Orville, another says Lisa Lisa, it's just confusing at that point

[@daemonic1757]

Hmm I've got a couple problems with this theory. If anyone has a counter argument I'm all ears but first of 1. The rooms in Queens castle are just meant to be your search history personified as a room, while it could disprove the whole ralsei is Asriel theory ( which already doesn't have a lot backing it ) it doesn't provide much else, Kris could just not want to look at the room to maintain privacy 2. It's never stated that Chara and Asriel are the same age so it could be possible that if Chara remade the world Asriel would be older but they do look like they're the same age so why would Asriel be in college and Kris in highschool ( if Chara remade the world ) it could be disproven by saying that Chara just made Asriel older in this world but it could be valid evidence against your theory 3. If Kris is the knight how come nobody recognizes them? The darkners had to have seen the knight to know that it exists. Plus the queen even states that her whole plan revolves over what she saw the knight do which implies that she actually saw the knight and would know that it's Kris. Once again a counter argument could be that she just saw the smoke are something like that but the queen knows that a blade is needed and has basically the full instructions on hand so I think itd be safe to say that she saw the knight

[@sukanachuj1983]

What if the deltarune is before undertale? That we was messing with the resets so much the world collapse and that would explain why sans got that machine in his house in undertale it would explain what people in snowdin said "they just appear here randomly" maybe sans saved papyrus when he was a small baby and after the incident he started studying about timelines and stuff explaining why sans still dont know about it in deltarune and the photo maybe its photo of kris susie sans and ralsei that's why frisk dont recognise anyone on the photo except sans and deltarune was meant to be first before undertale but ehh probably I'm wrong

[@daemonic1757]

@@sukanachuj1983 that doesn't have anything to do with what I said but it's possible. There was a also some theory about how sans is a darkners it's most likely false but stuff about him bleeding and getting tired does sorta make sense

[@sukanachuj1983]

@@daemonic1757 I know it does not have anything to do with your theory I was just saying but I think sans in fight said smth like "give up kid like I did years ago" it would be possible he tried to go back into deltarune but always failed as he after years gave up on tryin and enjoyed himself in snowdin. But idk maybe it's just shitpost but would be nice plot twist and mind blowing shiz

[@allan-1851]

The 2 arguments seem nice. But for argument 3: On the Queen's mansion there is a room with three swatches and a video. The video is about a fountain bring created but without showing the knight who created it. The Swatches explain that the video shows how a fountain is created by a knight and how the Queen is studying the video. When you press to interact with the video the description given says something along that the video doesn't shows the face of the knight. And there is no mention that the Queen has seen the knight. So the knight's identity remains hidden.

[@funtimegamer8733]

Actually, its implied none of them saw the knight as seen by the video birth of a fountain. The knight is always covered in darkness and then leaves without interacting with the world. Queen saw the hands of the knight, and saw the weapon used, kris' dagger, but not who did it

[@StarryxNight5]

What gives more credence to this theory is the fact that in the first day, you can tell Sans that it's nice to meet him again. You, the player, do that when it's very clear that the player is a character themselves in the game, just like how Frisk was a character. The player might have been in the world of Undertale before getting transported to deltarune.

[@UrLocalHobo]

I’m so happy you found her her way way to to me me I know that

[@حَسن-م3ه9ظ]

Ralsei was formed out of the original dark fountain (according to the unused manuel), making him compatible with every Dark world, just like how every Darkner is compatible with CastleTown

[@fiercebreaddeity3801]

yo when i watched this it says "1 View" am i the first to watch :0

[@TungstenArm]

“Remember when you gave Chara your soul” Me, who never played Genocide: “Do not attach any association of this to me whatsoever, I had nothing to do with such idiocy, such blasphemy, such ridiculous nonsense.”

[@TheRatLiker]

Same. Pacifist all the way.

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

As a self proclaimed Undertale fanatic WHY DOES THIS ACTUALLY SOUND FITTING?! I can kinda see this being the case,ESPECIALLY Kris (and/or chara) being The Knight

[@nopenope4502]

have you played Chapter 2 yet? If not I won't spoil it for you, if you have then pay attention to the ending next time you play it. It's proof of Kris being the one making fountains

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

@@nopenope4502 I did,and believe me there's nothing in both games i haven't seen/done by now 😂 Also damnit Toby you really had to give us even more questions that the last chapter,you damn genius

[@Cuprite1024]

@@nopenope4502 It's kinda impossible for Kris to be the Knight. The Librarby Dark Fountain appears after Noelle goes there but before Kris and Susie show up. Kris never goes off screen the entire time up to going inside, so they had no way of doing it. On top of that, Queen said just before the Giga fight that *any* Lightner could make a fountain, so long as they were determined enough. Kris likely took that to heart and just... *did* it because they can. Most likely reasoning I can think of is to keep adventuring with Susie, but there's likely more to it than *just* that.

[@ravrin_plays_zelda]

The amount of people who pronounce Chara wrong is insane. Its Care-uh. as in, CHARACTER

[@JadeJuno]

And that was confirmed when? (Not gonna say it's wrong, I like it better like Character, but yeah no name pronounciation has been confirmed afaik (other than obvious ones like Frisk, Kris, Papyrus, Sans etc.))

[@falloutboy1379]

@@JadeJuno If you look in Undertales files Frisk is known as Main_Chara while Chara is known as True_Chara It's kind of a play on words and it's kinda funny with that being Chara's full name.

[@feshpince7181]

@@JadeJuno Not to mention the fact that in Japanese, the "true name" is キャラ (Kyara). Literally short for キャラクター (Kyarakutā), which is "Character" in Japanese.

[@kailastnam9793]

Quick counter theory: Chara does not get your SOUL at the end of a genocide run. When you complete a second genocide run, Chara says, "How curious." If you reopen the the game and wait ten minutes, you are greeted by a voice saying, "Interesting." I believe the person who takes your SOUL and recreates the world is Gaster. He takes your SOUL and uses it in an experiment by having you create a vessel to inhabit, but before he can finish, a new voice interrupts. This voice tells you that you have no choice, and implants you into Kris. Some basic information that leads me to believe that Deltarune is a different world are as follows: - Monsters in Deltarune do not possess magic - The game takes place in 202X, while Frisk falls in 201X Besides these, the Vessel creation portion of the games is known in the files as "Goner Maker," and both Goner Kid and Clamgirl share some similarities to the Gaster followers. In addition, the typer value (a value used by Deltarune and Undertale to determine the font, speed, and sounds of text) for the Goner Maker is labeled as 666, the same typer as the hidden Entry 17. Furthermore, the typer value of the voice that implants you into Kris is 2, a separate value. Kris is likely not the Knight. They most likely found out how to make dark fountains from Queen's monologue, and slashed the tires so that Susie would have a reason to stay. They have noticed that the Dark World forces people to confront their problems, and by making a fountain in their home, are forcing Toriel to reconcile with her feelings. They are probably just a well meaning child who is desperate to get their family back together. (Edit) Forgot to say it, but I really enjoyed the video! I hope you make more Undertale/Deltarune content in the future!

[@michaelshamus5059]

kris definitely made the library dark world imo pie is the distraction in chapter 1, slashing tires is the distraction in chapter 2

[@kailastnam9793]

@@michaelshamus5059 Noelle and Berdly likely entered the room before the Dark World was created. I think the Knight hid in the closet described as being big enough for a large person to fit in. The Knight waited for Noelle and Berdly to start studying before creating the fountain and leaving. Just what I think, anyhow.

[@michaelshamus5059]

@@kailastnam9793 yeah actually, i don't know how it lines up in that case. i find it a little bizarre that kris would've only learned how to make the dark worlds when ralsei explains it just in terms of i think that's a bizarre way to write it but yeah His motives for creating the dark worlds is pretty unclear though so i guess thats the issue

[@kailastnam9793]

@@kwurty_qeyboard That's true... Huh.

[@falloutboy1379]

I think the voice at the end of the genocide route is always Chara.

[@CasualSunGod42]

(Sorry if this sounds too negative, I enjoyed the video but disagree with some of your points) There's actually another interaction with Asriel's room that you didn't mention. If you look at his room when Kris is with Susie, Susie will say, "HAHAHA!! Kris, who's room is THIS!? ... huh? Your brother? HAHAHA!!! Man, you better hope I never meet him...!" Still not sure what's in Asriel's room, but I think Susie would notice if it were that relevant. Also, if Kris were an older Chara, it'd be a little weird that Monster Kid is a teenager. DELTARUNE takes place in 202X, and Chara fell down in 201X. By my estimates, Frisk probably fell a few decades later, so it wouldn't make sense for Monster Kid to be older in DELTARUNE. But I guess we don't technically have timeline confirmation for UNDERTALE.

[@feshpince7181]

I always figured Monster Kid was only a couple years younger than Frisk at most, meaning he'd be about a grade or two under Kris if this theory is correct. For all we know, Kris and his class could be Juniors or Seniors in High School. That would make Monster Kid a teenager, too.

[@prinxen1733]

*I will say that this theory holds almost no water, sorry hahaha *It's just that there's no way the monsters were in the Underground in this. It would be mentioned. But also- Kris is not Chara reborn, Kris is their own human. Chara _might_ be the soul though. *Kris doesn't like Ralsei much. They don't like his tea. Ralsei can't cheer them up after the Spamton NEO fight, only Susie can. *Asgore mentions that Kris doesn't like hugs. The Soul can tell Kris to hug Ralsei. This implies a dichotomy where the Soul is more comfortable with Ralsei than Kris, which would fit with said soul being Chara (or us). *Also, the rooms in the Queen's Mansion are configured off their search queries on the library computers, remember? So Kris not looking makes perfect sense. It both might remind them of their brother AND could have some, uh. THINGS THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE. *(Remember Asriel's art book with the scantily clad purple dragon? Yeah) *Anyway, as other people have mentioned Ralsei can access other Dark Worlds because he's from the original Dark Fountain. We also don't know if he has no real life object, because he's never gone to the Light World.

[@JadeJuno]

> Remember Asriel's art book with the scantily clad purple dragon? ... no???? What are you talking about??

[@emeraldskits4026]

@@JadeJuno Look at the bookshelf in home.

[@wyn1912]

Kris likes Ralsei tf are you on

[@raviosshop5918]

@@wyn1912 A lot of the interaction that are “friendly” between them caused by player since They can force Kris can hug Ralsei even thou They are known to dislike hugs (Asgore says this in chapter 1) and They get very confuse if player answers that “They like Ralsei” at the end of chapter 2. I don’t think They hate Ralsei but doesn’t view Him to be an actually friend yet and definitely noticeable that Kris prefers/likes Susie and Noelle (The teas heal way more than compared to Ralsei, The like Susie answer is the most positive response, Susie does support and care for Kris while Ralsei doesn’t help much if at all to help Kris as a friend) probably doesn’t help that Ralsei looks like His brother so…might be awkward as hell specially since Kris doesn’t take seeing anything involving His brother and even some things of his Dad well.

[@funtimegamer8733]

@@JadeJuno berdly mentions a book from the library in chap 1. If you investigate toriels house you can find the book with a "scantily clad dragon"

[@cheebuu3360]

THIS IS THE BEST "Kris is Chara" THEORY I'VE EVER HEARD Ty Bandit! I was super surprised when I saw a MNB video on Deltarune, and after watching I'm definitely not disappointed. I'd love to see more Deltarune content while we wait for more BTW2 updates. Love ya!!

[@BanditGames]

Thank you, this meant so much to me! ❤️

[@chongwillson972]

@@BanditGames there is one hole in your theory and that is susie can see what's in asriel's room

[@k2ggers961]

@@BanditGames You made a really glaring mistake which complete destroys your theory - Chara didn't get a terminal illness, she literally killed herself so Asriel could absorb her soul and go to the overworld. By eating buttercups. Did you play the original game?

[@atomikms7803]

I wasn’t completely sold on it until they proved that chara asked for the players soul

[@cheebuu3360]

@@chongwillson972 she can? I don't remember that

[@strangenautilus]

Well, the Card Darkners can go in the realm of Ralsei's fountain... which gives me the theory that perhaps ralsei and his fountain, serve as in-betweens for all fountains and darkners

[@Hypesutube]

I mean i think he said that the Kingdom is in the middle of the dark world

[@strangenautilus]

@@Hypesutube Oh, thanks for clearing up the confusion.

[@TheSwordsman100]

I have to applaud your work, even without the knowledge that Chara is the narrator of Undertale, (and so not evil but like Undyne) you didn't fall into the trap of thinking Chara was some inhuman monster that didn't care about anyone or anything. I can totally see a Genocide!Chara using their newfound power to make things "right" as while Chara does care about the player's interactions with the world of Undertale, as Chara is outright disgusted with the Player for killing for no greater reason and thinking they're above consequences and so wants to punish them for their actions, it doesn't mean both Chara and the Player won't eventually move on and nothing from the more benevolent versions of Chara in the Neutral and Pacfist runs outright contradict with what we know about Kris' true personality so far. Heck the Weird route has Kris visibly distressed to what happened with Noelle which directly parallels with what the Player did to Chara, corrupting them into thinking killing makes them strong, which further supports the possibility that Kris is Chara. (their starting LVs are even the same,1) Though Kris doesn't really care about Rasiel too much is the tea is any indication (as he heals Kris the least) but that could be chalked up to him being the fake Asriel. I only thing I really disagree with is Kris being the Knight as, A. its too early for such a reveal, B. the timing for the computer lab doesn't work out at all and there is a door in it where someone can hide in and C. everything with Kris isn't simple. I instead think they opened a dark fountain because Susie (who they're seemingly in love with via tea and natural sounding responses) suggested they do so, to prove to Undyne the dark world is real, as she has not taken Kris seriously (thus the tire slashing and opening the door to their house) and that, unless you did the Weird route, the dark world has done nothing but improve everyone's lives.

[@Clawnyan]

very good point! (honestly underrated comment lol) and to add, toby fox did distinctly refer to the knight separately from kris in the stream by stating he imagines an intro similar to wild arms where the fun gang runs up, viewing the chapterly bosses, with the knight at the top who turns to them and smiles

[@tannerlipoufski1219]

Ralsei has a pure dark fountain, so it is logical that he could live on.

[@stef__an]

Alright, I'll have to break down some stuff here. Kris isn't the Knight. Here's a very simple way to prove this: We know where Kris was when the Cyber Fountain was opened. Because we were playing as them. They were in Castle Town with Ralsei, and here's why: 1. In the computer lab, Noelle and Berdly have clearly set down their books and set an alarm for when they'd be done with studying. Taking example from chapter 1, this wouldn't be possible with the dark fountain there. They'd enter a dark, large, empty room, the floor would collapse and they'd fall in. But this didn't happen, because they had enough time to start studying. *Why is that?* Well, the fountain was not there when they entered. *The Knight* hadn't opened the fountain yet, they open it while Berdly and Noelle are studying. You take the closet flavor text as a reference to *Berdly's dead body, but this is not the case. Without the context of Berdly's body, this is a loose thread based on a *single* line of text. If that's all we have, we have to take all of it into account, and the entire line mentions the closet being able to fit a *"large person"* inside. This isn't hinting at Berdly's body, because Berdly is not characterized as large. This was for the Knight, whoever they may be. 2. When Ralsei enters the Cyber's World, he talks about feeling a *dark presence*. If Kris really opened the fountain in the middle of the night, Ralsei would've been there to feel the *presence* of that fountain. He would've got there to check if there was a new *fountain*. If he had done that, the moment Kris and Susie would've entered the Closet World, Ralsei would've notified them immediately of that *fountain*, which he does not. Ralsei feels the dark presence and "hurries over" only once Kris and Susie leave Castle Town. This lines up with the *Knight* opening the fountain while Berdly and Noelle were studying. Breakdown 2: Kris *cannot* be Chara. To this day I do not understand people saying Kris looks like Chara, and here's why. Disregarding any mental similarities, Kris is absolutely a replacement/parallel to *Frisk*. Same skin color, same expression, same *hair color and outline*. The similarities to Chara can very easily be explained away like this: they wear a *green shirt*, because that's what the Dreemurrs have always dressed their kids in; they like *chocolate*, because everyone likes chocolate; they have an affinity for *knives*, because Toriel most likely is the one who gave them that knife. Quick disclaimer: I'm not claiming Kris is Frisk. Kris is their *own person* and they most definitely aren't Chara, or a parallel to Chara. Plus, your timeline doesn't make any sense. If Kris is a grown up Chara, then truly this game happens in 202X and Papyrus and Undyne were truly born in the 1990's. But this doesn't add up. If this is true for Undertale, Undyne and Papyrus would've been alive to know about *Chara*, and the *6 other humans* that fall down. However, in the game, they specifically say they have never met a human in their life. In Undertale's timeline, it makes more sense that Papyrus and Undyne's "9X" at the end of their username is not 199X, but *209X*. Frisk's fall must've happened *decades* after Chara's, even centuries. Papyrus and Undyne being the same age supposedly in Deltarune, at the time where "Chara" would've been a teenager does not add up in the slightest.

[@fandubindo1891]

Actually in the game file, it stated that deltarune takes place in 202x. No joke.

[@stef__an]

@@fandubindo1891 That can work, however the timeline must be changed in order for that to happened. In this theory the timeline from before Chara falls is left untouched but would imply Undyne and Papyrus were already born, which is impossible.

[@feshpince7181]

Cool it with the asterisks, my dude. This isn't Reddit. Quite a few spots where the formatting here is just atrocious. Next time, try and remember where you place an asterisk so you don't end up with whatever all this is again.

[@stef__an]

@@feshpince7181 KZbin does have an asterisk feature, if you put a word betweem asterisks it makes it bold. It's just that youtube is a broken website and it didn't read them properly.

[@1stAid]

Friendly reminder that in Ness's Magicant, we can find smiling flowers that looks nearly identical to Flowey before he becomes angry. Really shows you just how much Toby Fox got from Earthbound.

[@krisdone]

This falls apart for me because I dont think Chara was ever really EVIL. They were an edgy, misguided kid who had a bad plan. Their behavior at the end of the no mercy route is because theyre an impressionable kid and were following the footsteps of the player (you)

[@iliketosaytruecomments3326]

Why DO PEOPLE KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT LOVE

[@BrixVGM]

I strongly disagree that Kris is the Knight, it just...doesn't make sense to me. H o w? How would they have this knowledge? They'd have to not only know that the dark world...EXISTS, but also know that making too many fountains causes titans to appear and destroy the world, and they'd also have to know that this event is called The Roaring. ...how? And we know the Knight knows what it's called because queen calls the knight the "Roaring Knight", yet Queen doesn't actually know *what* the roaring even is, meaning the Knight must have appointed the title themselves.

[@DrMonkey1224]

Kris is definitely factually absolutely the knight because of the ending of chapter 2.

[@BrixVGM]

@@DrMonkey1224 queen litterally says ANY LIGHTENER can create a fountain. The fact that Kris is able to LITTERALLY proves absolutely nothing. You got evidence stronger than "Kris does something that litterally any lightner can do, that the knight is also said to be able to do"?? Kright is a valid theory, but is heavily, heavily flawed in my opinion. Most people who believe it seem to have very little evidence for it, all of which can be immediately dismissed by thinking about it for more than 2 seconds.

[@DrMonkey1224]

@@BrixVGM my thinking is that kris is the only one with enough determination to be able to make the fountain. We never see any other lightner do it

[@BrixVGM]

@@DrMonkey1224 if it's your *thinking* then it's not a goddamn fact, now is it? In any case we don't even know if determination is the thing required, and queen fully intends to use Noelle to create the fountain. Additionally, ralsei gets pretty concerned when berdly's trying to make a fountain, which, to me, heavily implies that if he wasn't stopped, it would have worked. Kright might be the first thing that comes to mind apon seeing the ending but it just... breaks when you analyze it at all. How did Kris know the dark world exists? How did Kris know the roaring was a thing? How did Kris know it was CALLED the roaring? The timeline on the Cyber Dark World makes no sense. Noelle and Berdly are allready sitting down with their books out when we seal the fountain. This is... impossible if the dark world allready existed when they arrived, meaning it was made after they had began studying. We see Kris the *entire time* from when Noelle invites us to study, and from when we get to the cyber world. Additionally, ralsei mentions "feeling a presence" which is why they hurried but we just SAW ralsei in the castle world, potentially implying this dark fountain is...recent. very, very recent. Wouldn't ralsei have mentioned this dark presence during the castle visit? Kright just...doesn't make sense. It honestly makes much more sense to me that Kris wanted the adventure to continue and, having *litterally just learned that creating dark fountains was something they could do using a knife, which they ALREADY HAVE*, they so the obvious thing and make a new fountain.

[@DrMonkey1224]

@@BrixVGM Cyber Dark World was probably created when Kris ripped out the player at the end of chapter 1. Sorry for using the word factually, I use it lightly. Kris was probably contacted by whoever Jevil and Spamton met before chapter 1 and that’s how he knew about the roaring. Also, Noelle and Berdly could have been put there when the fountain was sealed.

[@bluenoob7803]

I'm just pointing this out, Chara is not evil whatsoever she despises you after you kill all monster kind but she's still a child so you are able to manipulate her.

[@funtimegamer8733]

Ey yo! I see some pronouns that aren't canonical there! Watch yahself! Also, they don't despise you for killing monsters, they despise you for thinking you were free of the consequences of doing so, trying to undo it at the last moment.

[@CassiDS]

The general assumption is that Deltarune is a layer _beyond_ Undertale, and as far as I can tell Sans originated from a layer _before_ Undertale.

[@grant9637]

Ok I know that this is your first deltarune theory, however I have many gripes with this theory, on both the undertale and deltarune fronts. Please here me out, as if you are to continue making theories with this subject matter this is rather vital information. Note that I am happy for you to be branching out, however I would rather you be playing with a full deck of cards (pun intended) 1) this is the least important but a common misinterpretation, and this is your representation of Gaster as the Mystery Man sprite. This sprite is a reference to Yume Nikki's Uboa. That isn't to say that Mystery Man isnt related to Gaster, however I do not think that it is an accurate representation of him. As for what Gaster truly looks like, I do not beleive that we have yet seen an accurate representation of them. I beleive that Mystery Man, as well as some other mysterious facets of undertale, such as the River Person, are pieces of Gaster, as one of the few things that we know for a fact about him is that he has been shattered throughout time and space. If you do need a seemingly more accurate representation of Gaster at some point there is one character that is actually shown to speak in wingdings, and that is [REDACTED]. Anyways ive gone on about this for long enough for something not very related to the video 😅. 2) Kris is not the knight. It’s simply impossible. For one Kris backs up as if scared when seeing the dark world for the first time. This could be an act however there is some more concrete evidence. When you get out of the library dark world you see that Noelle and Berdly had their books out, meaning that the fountain had to have been created whilst they were studying. It is physically impossible for Kris to have gotten there. They appear to be replicating the knight, sure but they did not form the first two fountains. 3)Chara is not evil.They were simply a child, misguided in their beliefs regarding humanity as a whole. The most we see of Charas personality is that they are most likely the narrator, which is a neutral force through the game no matter the route. They aren’t forcing frisk to do the genocide route, that’s you the player. Chara tried to be a hero to free the monsters, their family and friends, despite the method. It’s you, who becomes as bad, or worse than flowey, a soulless being, to in an attempt to eradicate an entire species, not Chara. 4)Chara did not have a terminal Illness that they would wish to avoid. They poisoned themselves using the buttercups in order to give Asriel their soul, and rescue monsterkind. If they did reset the world back to their own life (which I should note they would probably not have the ability to do given what we know about resets, having not made a save) they likely would not have changed this plan, but altered it slightly to be successful. 5)Frisk is their own person, not a representation of you. Despite not much of it being shown they clearly have a personality of their own. 6)Some Darkners can in fact exist in other dark worlds. Ralsei says that they may not fit in others, simple as that. As for how he can exist in both that we’ve seen, they come from the natural dark fountain, being pure darkness, rather than the artificial dark fountains. This could be what allows him to come to other dark worlds. The opposite is certainly true. Any darkners that you recruit will be fine in the original dark world. I don’t know how he gets to the other dark world though. (I have a small theory that the reason that Roulxx Kaards head doesn’t turn to stone is because he puts on a pirate hat, thus making him a pirate which is also a computer thing. He didn’t change the rest of his outfit though, so his body does turn.) Thank you for reading this, and I hope that you consider these points in the future. I enjoy your work.

[@danieladams8847]

And that's how you express an opinion without attacking someone. Well done fam! I hope more people on the internet take note

[@Ymsil_]

I’m not a undertale expert at all but I’m going to have agree with you and not bandit here. For one thing I think the reason they know about the door is that YOU know about the door.most actions done by kris aside from subtle things like the after neo spamton fight kris is most likely controlling the tone/loudness of his voice then. Also I don’t know this for sure but I don’t think noelle is in undertale ( if I’m wrong correct me) and noelle was kris’s childhood friend. Also it’s almost confirmed that kris doesn’t want to be under your control after berdly’s snowgrave fight since kris looks like they are horrified as said by Susie or ralsei again a subtle thing so chara knowing the monster the player is seeing as this is assumed to be the continuation of the genecide ending would not likely give the player access to them as they would, genecide them too from what they know.what you said about ralsei I agree with but maybe not rouxles. I think he is just too cool to get completely stonified.

[@grant9637]

@@Ymsil_ Noelle actually does seem to exist in undertale, despite never being seen. In the 5th anniversary alarm clock dialogue Asgore mentions Rudy, and in the x box version of the game sans mentions a “antlered girl and her sister” which appears to be referencing Noelle and her sister Dess.

[@Ymsil_]

@@grant9637 never knew that, thank you

[@grant9637]

@@kwurty_qeyboard that’s fair, and one of the reasons I do believe that mystery man is a part of Gaster.

[@Daisy-xo9cq]

This theory is interesting though I'm confused as to why Chara would kill Flowey in the genocide route if they seemingly value their brother more than anything else?

[@gravity4467]

They held a grudge against him for not attacking the humans when he was on the surface.

[@denysvision]

that it wasn't chara, it was YOU the player

[@gravity4467]

@@denysvision Nah, it was Chara just watch the clip of flowey dying.

[@himejoshiheart]

They don't know Flowey is Asriel, how would they?

[@denysvision]

@@gravity4467 bruh, in genocide, you are the one who kills flowey/asriel at the end, watch "chara is not the villain"

[@izzhaus]

Bandit doing a Nut Dealer theory? Looks like this boy wants to be a [[Big Shot]]

[@izzhaus]

Also, theory-wise, I think a lot of this could potentially hold water, though I think that Kris isn’t THE Knight, but A Knight. If he were the Knight that King, Queen, Jevil and Spamton have met, then they’d have recognized him. I still think the actual Knight character is someone we haven’t met yet

[@Khalith]

It should also be noted of the use of red when Toriel mentions the tires were slashed at the end of chapter 2. Toby seems very intentional with his use of colors and that definitely suggests a connection to me.

[@JadeJuno]

If you mean that Kris slashed her tires, yeah that's obvious lol

[@Khalith]

You misunderstand. Everything Chara related usually has red text in Undertale and I noticed the use of red when she said slashed. I don’t think the color choice is a coincidence.

[@frostbyte2899]

Red text is usually used to reference something sinister Toriel uses this when talking about Asgore, while everyone else uses gold text

[@larkylovesyou_]

-Asriel’s room in the cyber world is inspired by his search history, just like everyone else’s: made by Queen in an attempt to make them happy. If you back out of opening the door to Asriel’s room, the game says that Kris “doesn’t think they’d learn anything new” (paraphrased), as in they already know everything about Asriel anyways. It’s things Kris already knows, but presumably either doesn’t want the PLAYER to know or doesn’t want to remember themselves (hence why they close their eyes). -Chara isn’t evil. Chara is influenced directly by the player, and in the Genocide route of Undertale, that is a very strong evil influence. While Chara was described as “not the best person”, they weren’t described as “evil”. They loved their family, they loved monster kind (see next point), and they had a lot of quirky character traits similar to Kris (see the “Chara is Undertale’s narrator” theory). They were driven mad by the player’s thirst for power. Chara isn’t the villain of the Genocide route: YOU (the player) are (I’m honestly sick of this misconception, when it’s literally one of the main themes of the route). -Chara was never “terminally ill”. It’s directly stated in the true pacifist route that Chara intentionally poisoned themselves so that Asriel could absorb their soul and cross the barrier. Their plan was to take six more souls from the humans, then break the barrier for good to free monster kind. -I really don’t like soulless Kris being referred to as “Kris’s body”. It’s still them, they’re still Kris. Maybe they’re struggling a bit due to the lack of the player’s influence, but they’re still Kris. Outside of the player’s control, monsters in Hometown have opinions of Kris, memories with them, ones we as the players would never know unless it came up while we were in control. Kris is their own person, and they aren’t taking very kindly to the player controlling them. Kris removing the player from control (ripping out their soul) is an attempt to fight back. …Of course, bits and pieces of this are my own personal feelings on the game, but there is evidence contradicting this video’s theory, so I thought it’d be worth mentioning. Also, I personally think Ralsei’s light world counterpart is the pair of fake horns that Toriel bought Kris when they were young, which have presumably gone missing (she wonders aloud what happened to them). They’re a representation of Kris’s relationship to their family, so it’s no wonder Ralsei would take the form of a boss monster (the species of monster that Toriel/Asgore/Asriel are, according to Undertale canon). But, again, that’s just my personal theory!

[@homework8969]

This one theory gets thrown on its head when you add that when kris drinks the “Ralsei tea” it only heals 60 HP 10 less than “Noelle tea”

[@guest_zzroman2076]

I always thought that Kris was just an older fusion of Chara and Frisk, they do have Frisk's yellow skin, poker face and extreme sass and I think the red soul that we control is supposed to be Frisk who only ocassionally gets to have control until Chara decides it's their turn and do something mischevious like stealing pie in the night, they also could be the reason why your choices don't ultimately matter and why Kris can't always do what the player wants like killing enemies or looking into Asriel's room.

[@luvcherry]

I think kris is their own person but it's up to the player's interpretation if it connects to undertale or not. the heart represents our power over the world as the actual player, so kris can't decide which direction to walk for example but can do things we can't control like closing their eyes and physically removing the heart which isn't something we can choose to stop as the player. I think they have some determination like flowey but not enough to save/load and resist us

[@nunyabizness3101]

I feel like this would make a lot more sense besides the part where Ralsei is specifically meant to be a replacement for Asriel as a brother. With all the blushing and the tunnel of love ride in chapter 2, and the confused "proposal" dialogue if you give Ralsei the ring item, there just seems to be too many romantic options with his character for me to think Kris sees Ralsei like a brother. Just the fact that the options and dialogue are there, and that the music for the swan boat scene is called Tunnel Of Love, makes it seem like a very not-familial bond, unless these Dark Worlds exist in Alabama lol. The Chara soul part seems like it could definitely be probable tho.

[@tivabunny]

I think its worthy to note that when Kris uses Ralsei tea, he gets less health than average, showing that Kris does not like Ralsei in some extent. Ralsei seems to know about the player and knows about the stories path, but doesn't know what is happening during the snowgrave route. Another thing is that Kris didn't make the dark fountain in the library, they were at school during that time and if they made it beforehand the other people at the library would've fallen in. Also Chara and Kris are definitely not the same, too many loose ends with that theory. One more problem with that theory is Sans and Flowey both remember your resets, if you reset past when you dropped down they would know. Maybe not Flowey since he was created after Charas death, but definitely Sans.

[@cedge4536]

When I tried to open Asriel's door I laughed because I thought it was an obvious and innocent joke. If you talk to the burger guy about Asriel he says they used to drive around town looking for girls to hit up, he's a teenage boy, and it's Asriel, the fandoms favourite hot tumblr boy. I assumed Kris closing their eyes was because of Asriel's adult search history

[@latentAlchemist]

Okay, what if, and I know this might sound crazy, but what if the text that asked you for your soul at the end of the genocide route wasn't actually Chara? I really think it's odd that Chara is still able to speak to you after deliberately "killing" you. And why doesn't Chara just reveal themself on the screen while talking to you like before? Instead your screen is simply a black void before the text appears, confronting you and then making a deal with you for your soul. If you recall, the text opens up with "interesting.". Toby is very particular about phrasing and details and it's strange that Chara while on the screen would say "How curious." instead of "interesting" like in the mysterious text that comes after. Who else in the whole game is confirmed to use the word "Interesting"? Gaster, in his infamous entry 17. "This next experiment seems very very interesting". And where is Gaster said to be? Scattered across time and space, or in the void. And where does the text appear? A screen with a black void. I believe that is how Gaster has access to a soul of determination in the beginning of Deltarune(you can hear his leitmotif in the track ANOTHER HIM that plays during the beginning while your soul is summoned). Because you sold it to HIM when you committed the genocide run in Undertale. And I believe he is trying to use that soul to create a new universe where monsters have a better existence and are on the surface. One where you can't commit mass genocide and ruin everything again. But I don't think Gaster took into account the players ability to cause damage through others via manipulation, hence the snowgrave route.

[@Salad_09Zel]

this theory is amazing and far fetched at the same time. It would be possible that gaster had another source of determination since frisk's determination is only enough to reset from the underground, not before he fell

[@TheBlackSquirrel]

One of my favorite Zelda-theorists is putting on Deltarune/Undertale theorizing boots...? Um, YES! I'll have seconds, please! ❤

[@RandomUser11170]

Definitely surprised to see a Deltarune vid from you, but love to see it as a Deltarune fan

[@chronred8190]

"Chara, as evil as they are" . meanwhile Chara: * is literally pointing out how you have brought everything to an end, how it's all your fault, and if you repeat genocide they are disgusted by your actions*

[@elicenyne]

dude the castle town dark fountain is pure darkness, none of that GMO shit asriel is *AT COLLEGE,* he can’t be in his room in queen’s castle. Kris isn’t the knight, kris couldn’t realistically open either dark fountain Ralsei can travel between dark worlds because, yknow, prince shit Kris could be Chara, but they’d have to have changed eye colors. Chara’s eyes are brown, and Kris’s eyes are red. i REALLY don’t like thinking about deltarune as if it’s just undertale, okay? Ralsei DEFINITELY != Asriel. Chara PROBABLY != Kris. Kris = Kris. it’s nice that Ralsei is Ralsei.

[@anabenskywalker122]

It’s nice to see you uploading some Undertale/Deltarune stuff. Going out of your comfort zone is always good

[@coolbuck7214]

I don't believe in the Kris=Knight theory. Its too much of a stretch, I believe that Kris only opened the fountain in Chapter 2 because they saw Birdly could. They realized that the Dark World could solve problems, Susie stopped bullying and became friends with Kris, Birdly and Kris became friends, Noel and Susie became "More than friends", ect. So they thought. Hey, how about I make a dark world to fix me, my mom and my dads relationship/make more good memories. They slashed the tires of their moms car to stop Susie from leaving. Boom, that's my theory.

[@fortnj]

For a while I’ve head this head canon that in Undertale when Chara says “let’s destroy this world and move on to the next”, the next world that they talk about is Deltarune.

[@dillzinapicklegamez6263]

Not to mention when you look at the computer that mentions the rainbow winged boss its referencing undertale but it said it never saw the light of day

[@amira9302]

This theory may not be built on the most solid grounds, but it's very, very interesting regardless. I don't want to sound rude or condescending, but I have quite a few problems with it. (And I know I'm a little late with this, but I found the video 2 weeks after it was released, and I needed some time to write this.) I will go through each point in order, as they were stated in the video: "The Dark World is an imaginary place" - as stated in the video, while the structure, the inhabitants, and the items of the Dark World(s) seem(s) to be influenced by the surroundings in the Light World, yet the events that happen there, leave an impact on the characters, who visited it. At least on the Lightners, that is. At this point, we can't know for sure, how much of the Dark World is/isn't real, but my personal theory is that these Dark Worlds are manifestations of the Lightners' psyche. There are a couple of things that hint at this, including the parallels between Noelle's mom and Queen, the appearance of Ralsei, etc. "Ralsei is the only person, who can travel to other Dark Worlds without a problem" - Ralsei originates from the original or "pure" Dark Fountain, which allows the realm of Darkness to exist in the first place. This also explains why the inhabitants of other Dark Worlds can live in Castletown (near the Pure Fountain) without turning into statues. "Ralsei and Asriel look exactly (well mostly) the same" - Save for the pink eyes, the pinkish hair (but let's just say that these are because of the "Dark World form"), glasses, and the horns, which only "adult" Asriel had in the world of Undertale. "Kris doesn't want to look in Asriel's room in the Queen's castle" - I think it might be possible, that whatever is in that room, they don't want to show it to the Player. Whether it's because Asriel is close to them, and they feel like his business is none of our business, or because there might be something important in there is not clear. Or maybe Kris just respects their brother's privacy. "Ralsei knows about a lot of things, that others are unaware of" - While I agree, that there is some kind of mystery surrounding Ralsei, we shouldn't forget, that he also acts as an in-game tutorial, much like Toriel in Undertale. And if he really spent all his life waiting for the Heroes as he says, that explains why he knows more about the Legend than anyone else. After all, he is part of the Prophecy. But, there is also the possibility, that he is associated with Gaster, like the other two characters might be (Jevil and Spamton), who weirdly know too much. He knows about the abandoned classroom in the school too, after all. "Kris is the only one who has created previously/was shown creating a Dark Fountain, therefore they must be the Knight" - Every Lightner has the ability to create a Dark Fountain. We know this from Queen. What we don't know, however, is that if Kris has or hasn't created a Fountain before the end of Chapter 2. Sure, we can say that the previous Fountains were also their doing, but do we have proof? While we don't know what happened right before the events of Chapter 1, we know that the night after our first adventure, Kris woke up, ripped their soul out, then proceeded to devour an entire pie. Theoretically, they also left the house, somehow got into the Librarby, opened the Fountain (yet didn't enter the Dark World), went home, and went back to sleep. In the morning, nobody noticed, that there was a suspicious "black gas leak" in the computer lab, until Noelle and Berdly arrived, conveniently placed their belongings on the table, took a seat, and then somehow ended up in the Dark (Cyber?) World in the process. As for the no one else was shown creating a Fountain before, did we forget that whole scene, where Berdly almost brought the Roaring? I mean, blade (halberd): check, Lightner (Berdly): check, Determination to create a Fountain: check. Following this logic, we now have a new candidate for the title of the Roaring Knight. Also, if Toby Fox is such a sly, cunning, and crafty guy, who says that Deltarune and Undertale are not connected, even though this video states that's not true, why would he lay his cards on the table right at the end of Chapter 2? We're still at the beginning, after all. "Kris created Ralsei" - Eh maybe, but not necessarily in the traditional sense. Remember my argument about the Dark Worlds being manifestations of the Lightners' psyche? Well, maybe Ralsei exists because Kris wants to spend time with their brother again. Perhaps our little goat prince is simply "the embodiment of a Lightner's dream", just like the NEO robot from Chapter 2 (as Swatch phrased it). "There are only monsters on the surface" - There are only monsters in Hometown. It's very likely, that humans still live off their own due to cultural/personal reasons, or just don't want to coexist with the monsters. Besides, why would there be a book in the Librarby about caring for *humans* for *monsters* if there aren't any left? "Kris has a lot of similarities with Chara" - Save for their blindingly yellow skin. Kris also shows a lot of similarities with Frisk. The hair color and style, the skin color, the iconic knife, that Frisk also wields in the Genocide route, their blank expression, etc. Now that we mention it, it's almost as if Kris was a mix between Chara and Frisk. Makes you wonder, if Toby Fox actually just recycled his characters, and put them in a different story, just as he said it. "Chara reset the universe" - Sure, they know how to do that, since they brought back the game after WE, the Player asked them to. Right after they asked us to destroy the world with them, and after they gave us a speech, about how they realized the purpose of their reincarnation: power. As "evil" as Chara is, I don't think they would want to go back to the Dreemurrs. Also, in this case, we must ask ourselves the question: Where does the red soul come from in the post-genocide playthroughs? And where does Chara come from, at the end of the soulless Pacifist routes? Did they lend us the soul, just so they can show us, that we can't escape from the consequences of our actions? *You think you're above consequences.* ❤️ *Yes.* *No.* No, that doesn't sound like Chara at all! They only care about killing, being evil, and chocolate, right? *Since when we're you the one in control?* There's no way they would stick around, just to rub their control over our soul in our faces! *Unfortunately, regarding this... YOU MADE YOUR CHOICE LONG AGO.* To punish us for the Genocide we committed? For killing everyone they cared about over and over? Just to take revenge? But it's not like we deserve it... Right? "Chara changed their name to Kris, which is almost an anagram of Frisk" - Why would they rename themselves after the genocidal maniac, who killed every monster in the Underground? Why would they even rename themselves at all? How would they know Frisk's real name? "Chara avoided being ill and carries out the original plan." - ...which was getting ill by poisoning themselves with butter cups. So Asriel can absorb Chara's soul because the Barrier can only be crossed if you have a human soul AND a monster soul. Which in this case, Chara doesn't possess. So how do they make it to the surface again? "The monsters moved to Chara's original village." - Which is a town called HomeTOWN. Right after Chara somehow massacred the entire human race, that's never mentioned by anyone in the game ever. Or acknowledged in any way. Also, they completely got rid of their monarchy and elected someone as mayor. And they established a religion, which is about worshipping a so-called "Angel". *Let the Angel's power light your way.* Why would Father Alvin say this to Kris, who according to the legend, IS the Angel themselves? The one, who has seen the Surface. The one, who causes the Underground to go empty. I'm pretty sure everyone would be very much familiar with the savior of monsterkind, and wouldn't only talk about their brother. Who's by the way just your friendly neighborhood "choir boy" and not the prince of all monsters, according to *everyone* in Hometown. "This explains the mysterious door to the south of the village." - No it doesn't. If the monsters escaped the underground a few years after Chara fell down at best, why would they not know where the entrance to the Underground can be found? They barely left, after all! That being said Chara can't have their happily ever after, because we never let them. The only reason they wanted our soul, is because they don't think we deserve to get a happy ending either. We're the ones who have to move on to the next world and find a different puppet, than Frisk. That is the nature of the Player. Thanks for reading all of this mess! I hope it makes sense, feel free to ask any questions or add your own inputs!

[@XEvilFoxX]

I’m SO happy seeing a DeltaRune theory here! :) And yes more please! Any theories regarding Noelle? I think we can safely say her mom is probably the Mayor of the town. ;)

[@Pepstep_07]

The reason Ralsei doesn't turn to stone is because he is from the castle town fountain, not the card castle fountain. The castle town fountain is made of "pure darkness" which allows both the chapter 1 and chapter 2 characters to coexist without turning to stone, if Ralsei originates from there then it makes sense he also would be able to exist in any other dark world. PLUS Queen and the Spade King have met before, Queen is lancer's mother after all, and jevil KNEW who she was, so maybe the whole stone thing is more complex than we initially thought?

[@BigJimmm]

First new Scott the woz video, now this?!?! Can this day get any better?

[@kris8606]

i dissagree with this theory completely, and its really easy to disprove, but ur just fo fun to listen to and speak in a convincing tone :)

[@Diamond_Aura]

First off, I want to say I enjoyed the video! Cool to see you covering this crazy speculation-filled video game world, which seems right up your alley, heh I will say that there was a few small facts that I believe are incomplete, thus leading to false conclusions, or at least, aren’t quite the evidence you used them as. That said, the general overall flow of your theory that Chara and Kris are essentially the same being seems to be fairly well supported. Some things about Chara: You described Chara as evil. While it may seem an obvious conclusion to come to, considering they’re in the “soul taking business” after mass genocide, and then killing you despite your immense power you gained, in a sense… so to did Asgore and Asriel attempt. In fact, Asriel attempts to strike Frisk down both when he’s without empathy as Flowey, and even once he has his feeling back as Asriel. Asriel ALSO wants to reset the world, just as Chara promises to do. Yet we don’t villainize him, simply because we overcame him and stopped him from his goals. Chara’s goals have often been in line with Asriel’s, even as young children, as they both effectively plan Chara’s suicide in order to let Asriel get through the barrier. Apparently, Chara wanted to them attack the humans, while Asriel didn’t, but we don’t know WHY Chara was so resentful. It doesn’t justify their actions, necessarily, but all I’m saying is that Chara and Asriel have had very similar motivations and goals in both Undertale and Deltarune, and we’re missing key information points about what caused Chara to become so vengeful towards humankind in general. In addition, regarding Gaster: You touched on him briefly in this video, and for the sake of this theory that sufficed. But I think Gaster likely has a much larger effect on this world, than specifically Chara’s actions at “the end of the Genocide route of Undertale”. After all, assuming your theory is correct, you only mentioned the way Chara could supposedly get the power to reset the universe to before the fall of Frisk in Undertale: the player commits the Genocide run, including killing Sans and everyone else. Despite how well known the events of that run are in the fandom (just like Snowgrave now), how many players have actually gone and done that themselves? With Undertale placing such an importance on the lasting actions of the player, simply knowing about the Genocide route is not akin to actually committing it, which is the only way you mentioned Chara could get their power. This, combined with the fact that Gaster’s sounds (like on the phone or the shelter), followers appearing in normal forms in Deltarune, the Eggs and “smiling man” who’s both there and not there, the “Another Him” track and the whole vessel creation which is seemingly conducted by Gaster himself before being interrupted by some 3rd party (who may be Kris or several other people?)… Your theory covers how Deltarune could connect after Genocide in Undertale, but it doesn’t have as decisive proof for any neutral route or a Pacifist route. I think the holes in that theory can likely be filled by Gaster. So, that said, I still enjoyed hearing all your thoughts on everything, and you still made an overall great theory! I look forward to hearing more in the future

[@Diamond_Aura]

Oh, and I also wanted to add as an aside that Kris may not be the Knight; that they only opened a fountain for the first time after learning they could do so from Queen. They feared entering the first Dark World, but seems to enjoy their time there now that they know how it works. Ralsei, as mysterious as they are, is also only somewhat liked by Kris, which most of the evidence from that comes from the Tea theory as well as how Kris seems conflicted by the more intimate moments the two share, even if the player enjoys Ralsei more than Kris themselves. Thus, while connected to Kris by proxy of Ralsei, Kris may not be Ralsei’s creator, because why would they have such mixed feelings about Ralsei if they were just trying to recreate their ideal version of their brother? Gaster or the Knight may have created Ralsei, which could be linked to the flower experiment in Undertale. Kris is just experiencing the aftermath of that, but is probably not the Knight themselves. Oddly, The Knight could even maybe be Papyrus lol

[@Solibrae]

@@Diamond_Aura It would be hilarious if the Roaring Knight turned out to be the "no redeeming qualities" version of Papyrus from UNDERTALE's development phase.

[@falloutboy1379]

@@Diamond_Aura Papyrus could easily be the knight. The knight is someone who's been talked about but not yet seen. We haven't yet seen Papyrus but it's implied he's in the game by various things. Papyrus is also a lightner like Kris and Susie since he turns to dust when he dies. He's also in a house by himself not letting anyone in because he's: A. Tired of making fountains and is trying to sleep B. Making another fountain their himself There's also the fact that Ralsei explained how making too many Dark Fountains will destroy the world. Papyrus being Papyrus probably would have no knowledge of this like Queen and is convincing people to believe he's "Great" like in Undertale since the Knight is spoken highly of a fair amount while others think he's annoying and ruined their world.

[@Diamond_Aura]

@@falloutboy1379 almost everything you said about Papyrus is speculation so far tho lol, except that he’s a Lightner. But we’ve not seen it confirmed that Monsters still turn to dust in Undertale, since Determination also works by different rules compared to Undertale. While it’s certainly POSSIBLE that what you said is all correct, there’s not even minor hints that those details you speculated are true. The only thing he has going for him is “wanting to be a Royal Guard” in Undertale, and the fact we haven’t seen him yet. The lack of his presence certainly can *hint* that he’s more important than he was in Undertale, but every detail about him is still ultimately speculation, even if it’s still fun to talk about lol

[@falloutboy1379]

@@Diamond_Aura Yeah lol. I admit that's a crappy theory I came up with a few seconds ago.

[@Inhumantics]

"If you left your characters in Undertale HAPPY..." "But, but Toby... what if we went the genocide route??" "... I didn't lie. If you left them HAPPY...."

[@MP3Player88]

My question is why do people just immediately presume that Chara is evil?

[@ItsB1998]

Because she killed the world and everyone in it. Are you serious?

[@MP3Player88]

@@ItsB1998 Well actually You the player killed everyone

[@ItsB1998]

@@MP3Player88 We killed 104 monsters, and didn't kill any of the evacuees, Alyphs, or the merchants. Chara killed them and the surface world as well with all the humans if you take "world" literally.

[@MP3Player88]

@@ItsB1998 Have you ever watched the video named "Who is the true villain of Undertale"? Aka the truth behind Chara

[@ItsB1998]

@@MP3Player88 Yes I have. It's less facts and more bias headcannon than anything though

[@TeamTrainWreck]

One detail that I think a lot of folks are overlooking in regards to the whole Ralsei/Asriel comparison is that- if Ralsei were made in Asriel's likeness, don't you think that someone from our main cast would have made the comparison by now? Asriel has been proven to be popular and well-regarded by most everyone in Deltarune- and it's been stated that Noelle and Susie both know Asriel. Something tells me that if Ralsei looked anything like this Asriel, something to the effect of, "Ralsei looks strangely familiar, but I can't place why..." would have already been addressed by one of the characters. It's for this reason that I believe that Deltarune Asriel is drastically different than his Undertale incarnation. Also, something tells me that the empty-heart shape on Ralsei's shirt is something a bit more indicative than just a cool design. Ralsei, like Flowey- may very well be a soulless being, only surviving off of his own determination. Perhaps the purpose of having Kris(the Knight) open portals and gather Darkners from the various created worlds, is so that Ralsei can then harvest enough monster souls in order to produce a human one of his own? If it's proven true that Ralsei possesses determination, he could very well also be the person responsible for creating the original dark world fountain in the school supplies closet.

[@funtimegamer8733]

Noelle questions why ralsei looks like asriel when you see ralsei and susie hanging out. Susie likely hasn't met asriel, but noelle definitely has

[@TeamTrainWreck]

@@funtimegamer8733 Ah, crap- well there goes my theory, haha.

[@thepenguinboi8679]

Undertale is one of my fav games of all time and Deltarune is a blast so this will be fun to watch

[@EEE.654]

I know I'm 1 month late, but I'm here to sah that Chara is not how you think. And, now, I get why you don't believe me. But you can't say "yes" to answer these questions. Was there a voice in UNDERTALE telling you to kill all the monsters? Nope. You killed all of them willingly without anyone but yourself telling you to keep going. Did Chara themselves ever harm a single monster when they were alive? No. Sure, they had that incident with Asgore, but that was far from intentional. The only person they intentionally harmed were themself. Are the buttons hitting fight on their own before the Mettaton NEO fight? Nope. That's you. It's always been you. You're the one hitting the fight button for 98% of Genocide. And what about the other 2%. Chara still has the mindset of a child. Now, I want you to look at this through Chara's perspective. So, you've died, it's pretty boring. Then a human that you have to follow comes around and starts killing your past friends and then your mother. Would you not be scared and confused? They then move onto Snowdin Forest and kill everyone again. This happens all the way until J.Hall Chara now thinks killing is good and that they're only conscious again to gain power and LOVE. They are a child, after all. They don't help with anything but dealing the final blow. However, when you get to Flowey, Chara doesn't do anything. They're best friends still, they don't want to kill them. So of course, you get the choice to either kill Flowey or exit the game and reset. Of course, you choose to kill him. You then meet Chara face to face. They tell you about how confused they were before and how you taught them how to do things correctly. Chara then erases the world, now, I get that's a villain thing to do. But you kinda killed all monsters anyway, and those you didn't kill were traumatized and scared. And for the humans. It's probably best humans die. We've all seen the horrible things we do. However, it's still not a good thing to do. And of course, my point isn't they're 100% innocent, just misunderstood. Chara is not selfish, either. They are willing to let people they care for move on. Anyone remember why Chara died? They killed themselves so Asriel could go to the surface and kill 6 more humans and break the barrier. However, humans are dix and don't even try to understand and kill Asriel, killing Chara as well. They died for the monsters. I don't think someone selfish would kill themselves for the freedom of others. So, please stop blaming Chara for Genocide and calling them evil when you're no better then them. And that's on the Genocide route. On the Pacifist route, Chara is still the nice helpful kid they were in childhood. So, my point: You have completely missed the point of the Undertale Genocide route if you still blame Chara for Genocide

[@strawberrymilk467]

I really like this take on the Kris/knight theory! Would love to hear more theories about deltarune or even undertale if you have any more

[@MetalHealth44]

thats a really interesting theory. to be honest, im kinda scared for the inevitable emotional rolleroaster this games gonna put me through.

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Hi

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

So... Deltarune is the continuation of the Undertale genocide route? Makes sense

[@AdachiSimp]

Lawful Good: Deltarune is the Timeline where Chara and Asriel never acted on the Evil Plan. Lawful Neutral: The dark world is real, made of Light World's inanimate objects. Chaotic Good: Kris and Susie are just imagining/playing roleplay, soon inviting Berdly and Noelle. Chaotic Evil: Kris and Susie are stoned and high in a locker alone.

[@cezarcatalin1406]

I personally don’t think Chara is Kris... it would be far too simple.

[@dominickeijzer5844]

So much of this is just... Incorrect. Toby Fox directly stated that the two are unrelated, which can be further proven by the fact that Berdly becomes determined, and doesn't melt like the Amalgamations and Undyne. Gaster is never shown to pull the strings, in fact the opposite; that he's been erased. The south bunker is definitely not a way to the "surface", it plays Gaster's talking sound (when sped up by 700%) and most likely leads underground, not up to a cliffside. In addition, since there's actually a book on how to raise humans and how monsters from present day exist (note that only bosses don't age, and only without children) we can tell it isn't Chara setting time back. We can state for a fact that Kris doesn't create inhabitants of Dark Worlds, since Seam can predict your next opponents, specifically what's needed to defeat them. They also have relationships already established with other inhabitants in some cases (see the prison after the second dark world has been closed) and they're based on what's nearby (hence Lancer and Rouxls entering the Cyber World.) Finally, Ralsei is able to survive in other dark worlds because he comes from the pure dark fountain. And he states that other dark world inhabitants can exist in dark worlds suited to them. (For an example, imagine taking Rouxls and Lancer to a casino dark world. They'd survive, because cards exist in casinos.) Finally, if Kris dies without their soul for long periods of time, and are also the Knight, how did they create the Dark World in the unused classroom? It's a long walk for someone who doesn't subconsciously go through motions (hence the shuffling, they're moving specific leg muscles, not keeping the head up and not moving the arms) to walk while dying. Therefore, the soul (Which may I remind you is the player's control over Kris, hence the mirror interaction being "It's what they call you." It's not actually you, it's Kris being controlled by you.) either only gives the player control and Kris can survive without it, and Kris is in control when the player isn't, or Kris just isn't the Knight. If your theory is correct and Chara is the soul while Frisk is the soulless Kris, why is Frisk so dedicated to ruining a happy world? If it's a child trying to get you to stay away from their world with threats (such as the knife or the new Dark World) without actually meaning them (such as just stealing pie in chapter 2), that makes more sense. In conclusion, even without taking a theoretical view, this theory can be debunked with a small amount of evidence.

[@dominickeijzer5844]

Replying to myself, I want to suggest an unsuggested option for what Ralsei's item is. While yes, a green crayon fits into the two scenarios suggested so far, and a headband not so much, what if it's just... A drawing of Asriel? You get the details, and the reason for it being everywhere is that it's a memory Kris doesn't want to lose, fitting because of the person and not the setting. Even if this denies the being from the pure dark fountain theory, it still gives you the exact same result. A dark world being able to traverse dark worlds.

[@ItsB1998]

There is no player. It's just Frisk's own choices in UT, and Kris's choices in DR with the exception of the other entity ripping him out at night.

[@dominickeijzer5844]

@@ItsB1998 You're ignoring that Kris has apparently mentally changed and grown up rapidly. If it's truly Kris, what's with the change? And why is the creature always threatening the PLAYER? There's also the dream sequence stating that nobody gets to choose who they are. Also, again, the mirror. And the voice telling Noelle to do things in Snowgrave apparently isn't Kris', given that she doesn't specify. You're attempting to blame someone else for your actions. One of the main messages in Undertale is that the player is in control unless the game steps in, and in Deltarune it's that Kris' choices don't matter, because there's a player controlling them.

[@bigbadgammagnome]

@@ItsB1998 there 100% IS a player, do you not remember the dialogue at the end of the snowgrave route boss where You and Kris are referred to differently? And all the other instances in both routes where the distinction between "you" (the player) and Kris is made clear?

[@ItsB1998]

@@bigbadgammagnome That's the meant to be us the player, it's meant to be a separate Chara like character controlling Kris. That's the point

[@israelwilson4022]

I just started getting addicted to deltarune and one of favorite KZbinr is already making videos of it Nice

[@emmasmith4125]

Frisk and player are not the same

[@ItsB1998]

They are

[@emmasmith4125]

Different

[@uraynuke]

@@ItsB1998 Enigma, go away! stop poisoning the UNDERTALE/Deltarune community with your nonsensical remarks! RALSEI CAN'T CAST PROJECTIONS!

[@ItsB1998]

@@uraynuke Says what? He knew about Susie's ride with Noelle, and directly tells Kris: "if you could potentially see it, would you want to?" He absolutely can cast projections. Don't dismiss the facts just because you desperately want player theory to be true. The only thing that's poisoning the UT DR community is player theory, it's blinding you all from the truth.

[@uraynuke]

@@ItsB1998 Enigma, we've gone through this seven billion times: Ralsei can't cast projections and you're pulling this out of your ass. the soul coming from the cell where Kris is at is already proof that those are not projections, as it was a deliberate detail that Toby added.

[@taranis04]

UNDERTALE THEORIES FROM MNB LETS GO

[@lords.ruins_]

I love this theory so much because it just fits so well into the story. So here's a couple of ideas and random questions i want to add to this theory. Sorry for my bed englisk in advance. This one's a little crazy: I don't think Frisk is a real human child but instead a vessel specifically created to carry players soul with a little bit of Chara mixed in. Kris seems to have emotions and things they remember outside of players influence. Chocolate milk makes them remember Asriel, drinking other characters tea brings results indepentent of players choice. They yell after the battle with Spamton, they close their eyes when you try to look into Asriels room in the Queens mansion.. And then we have Frisk. Frisk never thinks about anything, they seemingly have no memories of their past. If you (the player) decide to make Frisk the nicest person they... become a nice person. If you make them destroy every living thing in this world they.. just do it. No hesitations, tears of sad expressions. Absolute nothing. And at the end of Undertales pacifist ending you're met with a choice: Stay with Toriel or "have places to go". Second choice doesn't specify that Frisk has a family, but just implies that they want to be on their own. At some point Chara had to be the most determined being in the world. So before they died maybe they used something called "Goner Maker?" (This thing is probably made by Gaster). Goner maker let's you create a vessel for a soul. It gets used in the beginning of Deltarune Chapter 1. But why? And your creation gets discarded (seemingly by Chara) anyway. Chara infuses a part of their and players soul together.. Becoming Frisk. After that Frisk presumably does a genocide route, gaining power by killing every monster. Chara awakens and, well, destroys Undertale and creates Deltarune. Kinda seems like if Frisk does a neutral or a pacifist run Deltarune never happens because Chara never gains enough power to take over. This means canonical ending to Undertale is the genocide one. Geez. In Undertale player is in control of Frisk for the whole game. Chara takes control of the players soul only if they gain power. But in Deltarune uno reverse card happens and Chara is the one in control.. Until they experience some heavy emotional stress. And Chara never kills any monsters in Deltarune.. so maybe their power weakens and the player is there to take control of the soul back..? Ralsei is a very strange darkner. He doesn't turn into a statue when he is in another dark world. I believe that's because Kris made him like that. If Kris is the roaring knight then they can do whateter with these dark worlds and their inhabitants. And it looks like Kris doesn't think much about Ralsei when drinking his tea. It's like Kris knows what Ralsei is.. Just a shadow of their brother. Some memories of them being young and playing together. But Ralsei is never gonna be the same as Asriel. I don't believe that Ralsei is gonna pull a flowey on us or become evil. Ralsei is just a darkner version of Asriel that Kris made in order to remember their adventures together. Every Darkner has a representation of themselves in the real world. Lancer and the crew become playing cards, plushies, toys, etc. The same with cyberworld. But we never see what Ralsei looks like it the real world. When Kris was young, they kept asking when they're horns are gonna grow so Toriel bought them a pair of red horns. Since then they disappeard somewhere... So.. I think you get it. By the way, where did the theory about every monster (and human?) having a darkner version came from? The only case where that happens is with Ralsei being a resemblance of Asriel. No other monster has a darkner version or at least not yet. So.. uh, this is it. This comment probably won't get much attention but if you've managed to read through it.. Thanks! Have a [$399,99] day!

[@weeboz2]

Don’t want to be that guy, but i have just one problem with this theory. If you do a genocide route in undertale, give chara your soul, and then play a pacist route, you can see chara controlling you so :/ idk maybe i am that guy

[@sukanachuj1983]

U controlling the human u are the evil if u do genocide route u can always stop doing it by your own

[@thebruteforce125]

I wanna hear what Game theory has for this topic in Deltarune Chapter 2. Sounds really interesting!

[@youtubebobguy]

It CANNOT be a universe where monsters won the war. I need to get that off my chest. Because if it was. Undyne would've lost an eye at least. And not only that. Humans won because of Determination or Power maybe in Deltarune. So monsters utterly can't win. That's all.

[@Jukanella]

I personally think that author is right about that Chara send our soul to deltarune after Genocide, but Kris couldn't be Chara. There is no reference to it in the game (similar style of clothes doesnt count, cuz Ralsei and Asriel also similar-looking, but not same). I think Kris just lived his own life until Chara and Player came, changed Kris' soul (if he had it) with Player's one and used his body to start a new Genocide here. While Kris was creating Dark Fountains only to lure Player in, cuz while Player is inside Dark World, its hard to harm any Lighter who is outside of that Dark World. Ralsei could also be just a "toy", created by Kris based on his thoughts about Asriel to make Players' existence in Dark World longer, so Player wouldnt harm anyone.

[@doubt2022]

KRIS IS *NOT* THE KNIGHT: In Chapter 1 Kris hesitates to enter into Castle Town implying they didn't knew what Dark World is. Many people belive that at the end of Chapter 1 Kris creates Cyber's World Fountain but then why Ralsei didn't feel any dark presence until Kris and Susie left Castle Town? In Chapter 2 Noelle doesn't know how she got into Cyber's World while in Chapter 1 Susie knows that she entered a school closet. It's like Cyber's World Fountain was created while Noelle and Berdly were already in the computer lab and there's even a room where a large person could easily fit inside. In Chapter 2 both routes Queen explains how The Knight created Cyber's World Fountain and at the end Kris simply replicates these actions.

[@cyanaxo]

It’s not pronounced “char-uh,” it’s pronounced “care-uh” since the name chara is inspired by the word “character,” pronounced “CARE-uck-tur”

[@tioraidh-tux]

It seems more like Kris isn’t the only human on the surface, just the only human in town (maybe humans are minorities in monster communities or areas). There’s a book in the library about humans and taking care of them (pictures included that Kris refuses to look at) so obviously there are enough humans on the surface to warrant parenting books for them specifically. And I’m not sure about Ralsei being Asriel in any way since it sort seems like Ralsei could have feelings for Kris?? (which like, they’re siblings 🤨) But that’s sort of my interpretations I guess. There’s also the self-flavoured tea dialogue and stats which seem to show that Kris doesn’t really like Ralsei that much, the *player* likes Ralsei, the *player* hugs Ralsei even though Kris doesn’t like hugs (Asgore’s dialogue). It’s already heavily implied that Kris and the player are two separate entities (the previously mentioned Ralsei interactions, the player can only control the soul after being ripped out by Kris, Ralsei also wants the player to watch and control Susie instead, having had conversations with Kris once they return to our control (ie “… and that’s why, Kris.”).

[@yashianaria5286]

I shouldn't comment . . . Ralsei could be making the doors. . . In Deltarune's first chapter the puzzle piece's second dialog, I think? They said something about not remembering the doors before. Even though they helped fix them, they could have not existed before your group came. There isn't really a base for it being Ralsei being the one making the doors, as of yet. Chara in Gencide run being evil, granted as an option to a precursor to Deltarune. Chara doesn't have to be evil in Undertale if you never go down that route. Being honestly influenced by another smart seeming person on the internet. But Kris, IF someone goes on the snowgrave route, the act of slashing tires can be a saving grace for Noelle and everyone else. Protecting them from [the player] something the gencide route would tell them to be afraid of. Always there can be more to everything. Just trying to sort this into a possible "True" path that can quake into another with more info. . .

[@hylianmono]

I think the rooms are computers accounts in the library

[@epicalworlds2775]

some people say that at the end of undertales genocide after chara destroyed the world and left it, it was gaster who spoke and asked for your soul which would make more sense considering how gaster says "interesting, you want to go back?" notice how he says interesting which you could take it as a coincidence but notice how chara says "how curious" instead of "interesting" when you pick 'DO NOT ERASE' and knowing tobys specific word choices this would make sense now before you say "The person spoke in lower case" there have been time where gasster has spoken both English and lowercase (in twitter he spoke english and has said redacted and x in lower case) if you want some proof to redacted and gaster being the same entity notice how the gaster followers said "he was shattered in space and time" "SHATTERED" meaning in more than one piece some say that redacted could be the deltarune gaster (which i don't believe) so considering how gaster is in more than 1 piece who said he said can't control his other pieces? And it would make sense considering how gaster asks for your soul and at the start of deltarune that soul is brought back.

[@Black-qn4tz]

Kris is frisk Chara is not really controlling frisk You(player) controlling frisk you(player) have the ability controling frisk when you gave chara your soul you gave you ability to control firsk too thats why chara is controling kris you can control kris because chara and your soul are the same Or maybe chara gave your soul to gaster so gaster will reset the world In deltarune there was 2 gaster the gaster from undertale and the gaster from deltarune Its hard to explain my theory but i know Im so smart😎😎😎😎

[@jeweltara]

aside from that "evil" part I can agree with most of this theory but chara seems like the "taste of their own medicine" type hence going by your "all humans are dead" thory there is one thing that supports this...well 2 actually. Susie's "everyone bleeds" comment and Birdly not being a fust pile in the light world...tbut thier own isechnically 3 if you ad the fact Monsters no longer seem to use magic in the light world Monsters mite have stronger souls and even blood now. happens Now here's the counter argument Chara is with us in all routes including the pacifist one those memories aren't ours or Frisk's after all say when we stop playing Chara adjusts one small detail the neutral choice being "war still happens but monsters win cause they now have the strong souls" this is a HUGE ,mistake cause the player's soul isn't effected by the change but Chara's own is or in this world Kris. so they are in Asriel's shoes only it;s worse cause we control most of their actions aside from the few times they loosen our grip this is also why they can still so things without us.there's still some soul in there. finally the Pacifist solution the thing they change is there never was a war this would explain why monsters seem to know less about how souls work and why a book called "how to raise humans" exists, sorry for the rant but I couldn't resist. nice vid by the way.

[@ultima1594]

The fountain in Castle Town and the fountain sealed in Chapter 1 are different. The grand fountain in castle town creates “pure darkness”, so anyone can exist their, Ralsei is the prince of darkness, meaning that he was probably made from this grand fountain, and thus can exist anywhere. This makes sense if Kris created Ralsei to be with Asriel, because Kris would want Ralsei with them everywhere.

[@nuclearjello2243]

"Except for Asriel and Papyrus" do you think we are going to forget about MUFFET. No but seriously I wonder if she will make an appearance.

[@linearfoldsmom]

i don't think kris would have created ralsei because if you have heard of the tea theory, then you will know that kris (without the player) does not have any positive feelings towards ralsei becuase their tea only heals kris 60HP compared to the other teas whith heal them 70 (noelle) and 120 (susie) edit: after thinking about this for a bit this might be because the tea gives them bitter memmories about asriel.

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

5:04 Or Queen was fooled by his disguise. That is NOT disproof that Ralsei is Asriel. Not to say i believe Ralsei is Asriel, because i dont. But that's not proof.

[@pigeongod3450]

I don’t think Kris is Chara since Kris *hates* being controlled, but taking Frisk’s soul was Chara’s idea, Kris also closes their eyes and looks away from things like the reason Asgore was fired from his job to stop the player seeing this stuff, because we the player din’t deserve to see Kris’s personal family stuffs

[@budderguy2128]

What if seam’s shop is foreshadowing go the themes of each dark world? Behind him, on the shelves there looks like a set of items. On the right looks like a webcam and some letters, which may represent emails. That section represents cyber world. On the left, we then have a beaker, a stove/oven, a doll, a crystal ball, a dumbbell, and what sort of looks like the smile at the end of chapter 2. Seam may have seen these other worlds, as the things he sells are items he’s collected on his travels. Just an observation I made, not sure if anyone can make something of it.

[@thelizord2157]

I will say Chara is not inherently evil they are a mirror of how you act. I dont think chara is Kris persey but it would make sense for chara to at least be looking over this world. Perhaps chara is just the narrator like they were in undertale, maybe chara is just looking over this perfect world that they would of wanted. It would help make sense of the two different narrators in the beginning of the game. Its possible chara is fighting gaster and or trying to keep this universe safe from his control.

[@area52ron]

Chara became sick because they ate the buttercup flowers

[@dookieface7083]

the reason ralsei doesnt turn to stone in the cyber world is because he mentions that his fountain is made from pure darkness, so any darkner can go there. this probably means that ralsei can also go into any dark world and be fine, but lancer and rouxls were from the board game/cards dark world.

[@thefirely1439]

It is obvious that Chara is Kris. I guess the question is just why?

[@anonymoususer9197]

I wouldn't say that. However it is very obvious that there is a strong connection between them

[@AngelofGrace96]

cool theory! I'd be interested to see what you think will happen with Noelle post snowgrave!

[@DarkMeow669]

thank's to you i think i was right about this theory about the connection's of the game's i was thinking about it a lot and yeah i do believe that theory because i feel like it good job about this video wait to see your next episode im looking for it you did well thank's for the video!!!