Masking Mistakes - Prasad DelRio discuss at Emory

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[@dashnja.9202]

Seeing Dr. Prasad get these platforms is so relieving.

[@saved6855]

Oh Prasad. It’s so nice to see a MD with so much common sense.

[@kevenmosley-koehler7482]

He believes covid vaccines have a place in our medical system. Makimg millions to constantly remind us

[@zapphoddbubbahbrox5681]

@@kevenmosley-koehler7482 well... seems he had to throw them a cookie in regards of vax efficacy... else he'd probably not be invited to this discussion. glad he's there to protect us from future lockdowns and fear mongering, in any case

[@spagafus]

Dr. Prasad naming names. Never stop doing this, never forget, never let others forget.

[@Found-it-there]

During the whole Covid process, no one on both sides of the political spectrum ever discussed how diet and lifestyle choices will greatly impact your chances of survival in the event you acquire Covid.

[@zaq_hack4987]

First, I agree that we suppressed the link between obesity and death from COVID. We live in an obese nation, and "lifestyle choices" is not why. The FDA doesn't want to talk about that when they can just make you get a vax. I lost 60 pounds between February 2020 and January of 2022 when I first caught Omicron. I'm certain it helped, BUT ...

[@pandafox12]

It was way worse than negligence or incompetence. At the highest levels, people lied for profit and/or to hide their complicity in funding the origin. Never forget

[@uslander]

Prasad nails it. Again.

[@richk3135]

California public health showed exactly how authoritarian government goes way overboard in reacting unscientifically (long school closures, uneven application of restrictions, etc.). Even when the subsequent strain variants became less severe, California government doubled down.

[@greglarson6293]

Same with Oregon and Washington. Vaccine passports, 18 month school closures, bizarre rules based on superstition, letting homelessness and crime get out of control. I’ll never forget, and possibly will never forgive either.

[@0711mama]

The other Dr speaking is a very clear representation of the ideological problems in medicine and science. He’s a case study for what not to do

[@winmine0327]

was mostly agreement 4:50 moderator gives preview 7:00 "any successes in pandemic?" - both answer warp speed vaccines 11:57 "any public knowledge gap?" - prasad: experts relying on twitter / delrio: bad signal/noise ratio 17:08 "how to talk well about this?" - prasad: keep calm, read the data, think for yourself / delrio: avoid fear, consider the poor, admit when you don't know 27:11 "bad hospital policies?" - prasad: visitation limits / delrio: just copied ebola/sars policy 32:49 "health vs other values" - prasad: no such tradeoff v.a.v school closures, boosters for young / delrio: put risk in proportion, one size fits all - also no good data 51:23 "policies too simple?" - prasad: debate, nuance are ok; zoom culture / delrio: summarize like weathermen, don't set health v jobs 1:00:53 "can we do better?" - prasad: study boosters, masking, distancing / delrio: no zero risk, use data to gage risk, debate risk in detail. both scrutinize long covid 1:18:55 submitted questions begin here but i have to bounce

[@atfinthehouse8631]

Wish there were conferences like this about more than just “masking mistakes”.

[@Amz1776]

Thank you so much Dr. Prasad for using your position and expertise to speak up for those of us who could see many of these issues from a common sense perspective but would never be able to make the change you are able to make. It’s truly amazing what you are doing.

[@tallard666]

31:40 "public health" should NEVER be mandated. The citizenry MUST be able to make its own decisions.

[@nancienordwick4169]

Prolonged school closure were at the national teachers' union and completely pilitically motivated.

[@annefischer3530]

Finally, a professional speaking out for common sense! My university isn't there yet. Thank you, Dr. Prasad! The other two, however, are still trying to rationalize the medical response to fear. The information was not overwhelming. Some things were new. For instance initial cases presented like ARDS, but did not respond to ARDS treatment protocols. But that was recognized and adjusted. Masking was studied in 2008 with H1N1 but the research at that time showed that masking communities didn't help. We ignored the research. This quickly became political and the medical systems became part of the propaganda. 😢

[@serenevoice4765]

Nobody mentioned the Great Barrington Declaration. But of course not. We can't be having that lesson.

[@luiswhatshisname7667]

Prasad did.

[@zaq_hack4987]

Start at about 1:25:00 with Dr. Prassad talking about splitting up the CDC and grant money.

[@mjschoensee93]

💯

[@kabaduck]

We had the Korean cruise ship with a perfect cross sectional simple population of the United States which had a COVID outbreak which provided us lots of statistical evidence of what it was going to be like in the United States. And we are so had China trying to hype up the severity of COVID to make it seem like it was an existential extinction event.

[@tallard666]

25:00 he keeps claiming "we don't know", but we DID KNOW

[@oldmango8606]

Vinay starts slow but fires up the last 20 minutes.

[@Freedom4Ever420]

My account was suspended for saying these things in 2021.

[@JosephFrancisBurton]

Mine too. I put up several videos that questioned and critiqued covid policies - most were taken down along for ‘medical misinformation’ with a channel strike. I quit when KZbin Corporate Headquarters sent me a friendly email that threatened to terminate my channel.

[@dedetudor.]

This is my 3rd account as 2 others were eliminated. I've never had more than 1 account at a time. I've been threatened with this one for just making true comments..... Getting them removed all the time

[@nancienordwick4169]

The bottom line is concensus requires a collaboration of all parties and not just ivory tower and political elites.

[@Toddis]

It's almost as if they already had the cure developed before we even knew it was a thing 🤔 Almost like it was planned 🤔

[@ChrisCapoccia]

Interesting the different communication styles between two doctors that almost completely agree on all points. Prasad is more concise and direct while DelRio tells a longer story with more illustrations, but in the end, it's two ways of saying the same thing

[@MartinCymru]

Singapore. what I experienced and saw would shock you, the COVID attack on our liberties

[@dedetudor.]

I'll never forget it.

[@JoshWalker1]

1:36:38 Interrogate yourself constantly until it's second nature: "What do I (think that I) know, and how do I (think that I) know it?"

[@tallard666]

30:20 OMG he's comparing this to Ebola and SARS1, the lethality levels are insanely different. Nonsense comparison.

[@bluebird6300]

I had the same surprised reaction as you but the heart revealed he was frightened but what he saw in New York

[@saved6855]

Why do these people think they’re entitled to making decisions for me if you want to wear PPE do it effing in your sleep if you want I don’t want to.

[@dedetudor.]

Extremely too bad we do not have free speech on this platform. 1984 George Orwell And Animal Farm

[@mjschoensee93]

💯

[@tallard666]

7:30 The greatest success, BIG PICTURE, was Anders Tegnell decision to not run health by knee jerk reaction and sticking to evidence.

[@nsg6225]

Dont forget that no more people died the year of covid than other years. And nurses had time to make dances.! They even changed the meaning of "pandemic".

[@tallard666]

41:30 you don't IMPLEMENT risk reduction, you encourage it

[@tallard666]

2:50 people should NOT be winning awards for covid, unless they generated significant SUCCESS for doing something different than others, and achieving success over and above other locations. The ONLY person deserving of such a "covid award" is Anders Tegnell, in Sweden.

[@danaboynton4118]

There are actually a lot of us who haven’t had Covid. And won’t get the vaccine

[@spagafus]

Unlikely that it's "a lot of us" and more likely got a mild or even asymptomatic case. With or without the jab pretty much everyone got it. If any are left who haven't been infected it's a very small group.

[@dedetudor.]

You should have invited REACT19 to this biased meeting.

[@sabrinalavdisarnold825]

Good for Emory and the other debater for sitting down for this discussion. VP is so good at explaining his points!! Like VP said before, why wasn’t CDC and NIH doing studies while doctors helped patients? They get billions of dollars in funding. Why did so many people in that one Honduran family die? Why was “ go home and cross your fingers “ the advise in the early days? I have no answers but I have always said that the harms done to children during the pandemic is immeasurable.

[@veim2406]

1:08:30 What is funny about waste water surveillance is that my government, in the province of Quebec in Canada, they used this data to make policies that would be guaranteed to succeed without telling the population that they had the data. For example, they would see in the waste water surveillance that the number of cases was about to go down, so they would lockdown and then took credit for their lockdown or their curfew. They would also make predictions that many people did not take seriously because "How could they know the future!?". And then it would happen since they had the waste water surveillance system and they would look like Wizards and gained credibility and trust. Very dishonest.

[@tallard666]

From the outset, horrible premise from Leiseker: "How does one keep a nation safe, based on emerging and complex data, while allowing social life to continue to flow in the ways that sustain almost everything we do" Governments are not suppose to, without any qualifier, "keep a nation safe", what a ridiculous statement! The role of government healthcare should be to increase overall health of its citizens, and reduce man-made harms to citizenry. It is insanity to pit our healthcare systems against nature!

[@jcabarcas]

Man i would have loved to meet him in person.

[@olibertosoto5470]

Excellent tittle! A double entendre of sorts, more so since both interpretations have become risqué - for one odd reason or another. What I get here boils down to old school common sense: when there is doubt be mindful enough to be leery of potentially harmful action. Is that about right? And "when you're exposed to that 'amount' of fluid, this is going to be really bad!" - sounds like that initial inoculum dose is indeed considered by some to be very important until proven otherwise - including myself. Maybe we should have another look at masks, an honest look this time - we had a perfect chance to do so and ignored it all together.

[@udo9999]

I watched the beginning minutes. Applauding operation warpspeed? Really????? I won't invest more of my time to watch this Had enough propganda the last 5 years for sure!

[@JoshWalker1]

What was Operation Warp Speed, in your words? (Like, what is it you think it was?)

[@ChrisCapoccia]

Prasad downplays how much of a trained skill it is to critically read primary sources and actually get to questions that drive towards identifying potential problems. Most people could read the words in the preprint but never get to enlightening questions

[@William-i9m7u]

There is nothing to fear but fear itself

[@tallard666]

Moderator sounds like he has a bad head cold. He probably should have stayed home!

[@JoshWalker1]

1:26:54 I had just been talking about this, bc very few ppl even knew about this little detail at the time, and if seems very few of *those* remembers it

[@jcabarcas]

How about Covid vaccine mistakes

[@barbaraberwick8993]

That guy thinks that its a shame Congress hasnt done a study on what we have done????? Congress?? The whole thing was totally political and he thinks Congress is going to do unbiased assessment when researchers can't even do it.

[@jcabarcas]

School closures were not necessary it affected even college students

[@jasons4425]

Bingo🎉

[@veim2406]

So many words for the guy on the left and so little content...

[@spocksdaughter9641]

This has to be good! Bbl

[@kabaduck]

Somewhere out there, there is a 20-year-old that's running around with my COVID vaccine shot which I was supposed to get in January but couldn't get it because they prioritized teachers over people who were at risk of dying from COVID like me. I didn't get my COVID vaccine until June fortunately I did not contract COVID during that time.

[@clthornsbury4192]

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