Masks May Do More Than We Think (w/Dr. Monica Gandhi)

[@phlypper]

"Their life expectancy is 1-2 years, and you are taking away the one thing they live for. Let them see their grandchildren!" Bold truth!

[@phlypper]

@Beastbombshell my condolences.

[@TheSaffronasha]

I worked in senior care for 12 years, we are NOT saving the elderly we are killing them faster by isolating them from the love of their families and friends. I was all for a short 2 week shut down, but this is now almost 7 mths of utter cruelty. The very elderly have always died with colds, flu's and viruses, but they don't die because of them. They die because they have LIVED LONG lives and death is not optional for any of us.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

I'm 68 co-morbidities. Yes! Exactly.

[@BlueTJay]

@Beastbombshell kzbin.info/www/bejne/bobZd5t_e9-Ul8U

[@BlueTJay]

Masks and lockdowns are counter productive! Facts and science and not fiction! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bobZd5t_e9-Ul8U

[@adventureswithcorrine]

Interesting. As a nurse x25 years, I often half joke that I am immune from everything due to low level exposure for so long working in the ER and community setting. May be more true than I expected it was.

[@wkdravenna]

I would think so. You have a very important service to the community. Thank you for your service in the hospital. 🙂

[@drivesecure2476]

It seems to add up it could well be the load of Virus you get

[@wmdkitty]

@@drivesecure2476 Also number of exposures and how long they are in close proximity to potential infection sources (primarily patients). Lots of factors in play here.

[@drkmriggs]

I’m a busy vision care clinician and I totally concur with your hypothesis!

[@davidfayfield5773]

Hey ZDogg...I’m a doctor and i shame people to wear masks whenever I can. The life I save might be yours

[@FromtheMPR]

Dr. Monica Gandhi, you are amazing! Thank you ZDogg for having her on the show! Absolutely amazing!

[@JohnQGuitar]

Awesome interview! Balanced, no arguing or bashing! Can you guys do a class for the reporters at CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC?

[@barbarawarner1442]

Right ON, John H, I too am sick and tired of "It bleeds, it leads" . I just want to tell those drama queens like MSNBHEEHAW to clean up their bloody mess! Amen, Bro!

[@kallen10b6xy]

Great interview. Insightful.

[@guygrabau4672]

Two rational people having a rational discussion- REFRESHING!!

[@eeshanbhagwat7257]

Two sold out shills sucking each other off

[@ew9598v5]

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[@lorraineramesbottom1262]

@@operasinger2126 O.M.G.!!!!🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@aragorntheranger]

@Shreya Singh cry, sheep

[@Kuchmi123]

@Shreya S. Explain why. I'm curious. Especially about what works in your opinion.

[@createyourreality1111]

It's so nice to listen to an intelligent, non-political, reasonable conversation about Covid-19 and masks.

[@fattiger2000]

Here is an intelligent break down of a danish study on covid and masks. kzbin.info/www/bejne/barOlIiYrNiZgZY

[@caroltaylor3479]

Yes it is!

[@createyourreality1111]

@@fattiger2000 Thank you. I will check that out.

[@roxolanathor48]

@Dtown what kind of dr are you? I am a Soviet trained Pediatrician , for example.

[@elizabeththomas1341]

@Dtown where in the world are you getting that info? he was a practicing hospitalist for a decade before he broke off and started another business, but is still not a chiropractor and never was.

[@koukla008]

One of my favorite global health professors when I was at UCSF. Thank you for having her on, ZDogg!

[@cypherknot]

In science there is a significant difference between a theory and an hypothesis. It is not a theory, it is an hypothesis. Scientifically literate people, especially researchers, should know that. Misusing the term perpetuates the misunderstanding among lay people. That is not a kindness and it perpetuates ignorance.

[@LipSyncLover]

@The Truth About COVID but didn't people lauding hydroxychloroquine do so on the basis of putting an observational study above a double blind clinical study? I'd like to see evidence of the "too late and too high a dose" though. That could certainly sway results.

[@sloppyjoe3617]

I was about to make this comment and then saw yours. You said it succinctly. I couldn't believe I heard them say the word 'theory' for an anecdotal example.

[@dabearsvt]

In total agreement.

[@criticalthinkingisessentia2402]

Maybe this is a dumb question but how do we know that all of these asymptomatic individuals actually have SARS-CoV-2 as opposed to many having false positives on a PCR test that was never designed for diagnostic purposes?

[@koralesten3818]

@@slashaholic11 No. nurse/ MLT here. PCRs are not gold standard but unfortunately we don't have anything better.

[@FirstFreedom]

Kora Lesten so in the end, the tests aren’t accurate. Just as we all have been saying all along. The people dying and the numbers spiking are all on MSM and in your local news papers. Enough with the deception.

[@lenablochmusic]

It is a million dollar question, as they say, and the fact is, it is 1) not known if people who are non-symptomatic carriers of a dead virus (not pre-symptomatic) can ever transmit it to anyone, 2) not known who actually even has a virus, whether expressing or dead. These two things that are impossible to know, are the basis for an indefinite "New Normal", because the fear of the worst is FOREVER. Assuming that EVERYONE has a virus, can infect everyone else - which is schizophrenically absurd.

[@cherp7522]

These scientist are what I see as on a specific path. And I have seen scientist prove anything as they play with numbers and ignore other factors by not even considering them. Weak non science. I.e completely unreliable. She knows each individual is different.

[@bobgillis1137]

@@koralesten3818 For all its ineffectiveness, it suited authorities to use it anyway ? Clearly the objective is not to determine a realistic case rate, it is to generate positive results.

[@pilotandy_com]

I love how they aren't "social" distancing. They are physically distancing (maybe not by 6 feet). But they truly have a great social connection. In times of chaos and disorder, its so important to socially connect.

[@jozsefv.9838]

Great comment. I hated the term "social distancing" from the first second I heard it. I will never agree to do that. Physical distancing, yes. Social distancing, hell no.

[@donalddrysdale246]

yes, gee; wouldn't want to be in a Nazi concentration camp forever.

[@shinobiendgame4939]

@@jozsefv.9838 I completely agree with you.🙂👍

[@susansmart8086]

Absolutely loved the energy in this conversation. And what Dr. Gandhi is saying makes so, so much sense. Looking forward to hearing from her again regardless of the specifics of the discussion.

[@honkymonkey9568]

"it's the fear of death as the worst possible thing that could happen to a person." Uh, yeah LOL Loved her smackdown: "it's also the most definitive thing that can happen to a person."

[@forgetfulstranger]

not everything is a "smackdown" lol, but she brings up an important point.

[@pilotandy_com]

It is the most definitive, but certainly not the worst.

[@donalddrysdale246]

I would know--I seen too much of it at the beginning of my life, and now I have to watch this ludicrous hypocrisy unfold.

[@diyeana]

Thank you for having Dr. Gandhi on. I really enjoyed hearing her theory. It makes a lot of sense. She seems like a wonderful person. I'd love to see her come back. ❤

[@cheme_trucker]

If you want 3 hours and need it to explore the issue, I have no issue with you going full JRE with no hard time drop.

[@ZDoggMD]

I need to have her back! We were on a tight schedule today 😓

[@cheme_trucker]

@@ZDoggMD totally understand. Thank you for your clarification.

[@blupupher]

@@ZDoggMD You need to contact Joe Rogan and go on his show.

[@pat2562]

@@blupupher It's really hard to get on, but I'd love to see it.

[@sarah_chalk]

ZDoggMD ~ I would be completely down for a 3 Hour Deep Dive!!

[@ikeroskelley67]

Do you know who OSHA expert Tammy Clark is? I'd like to see a civil conversation between her and a doctor who is pro-mask. Anyone else?

[@gregm55mullen62]

I saw Tammy Clark speaking on this and she said masks don't stop viruses...BUT, Dr Gandhi also says this but makes the point that masking limits the dose of the virus and as a result you don't get as sick if you mask and happen to get it.

[@AdamGoodson]

@@gregm55mullen62 perfect response and reply. I reflected on the comment from Ike in the same manner and though as you had shared. Thank you.

[@gregm55mullen62]

@@AdamGoodson Thank you Adam...and I just checked my response...sorry for the horrible typos.

[@AdamGoodson]

@@gregm55mullen62 well, in that case you are very welcome and if see any type-I’d on my post, just please go easy on me! Hahaha! Cheers to you and happy new year to you!

[@gregm55mullen62]

@@AdamGoodson hey no problem..its an auto correct thing on the phone..looks ok when im typing and then I notice later it looks like I have dyslexia...or I'm drunk! Anyway...happy new year to you too...I hope 2021 is good to you

[@darbyw1866]

The harm of masks: we are seeing increased sinusitis, increased facial skin infections and abscesses, some requiring surgery, increased oral dental disease, and streptococcal and staphylococcal pneumonia, including mrsa. However, the asymptomatic percentage varies with the population, regardless of masking. The challenge is, the data shows the same infection curve whether the population masks, does not mask, whether they lockdown, or do not lockdown. As a veterinarian, I understand the innoculum theory, but you have not presented evidence that the masks mitigate in a way that presents a level that reduces the spread. Theory, not evidence. Studies on blood samples taken prior to the sars covid 2 outbreak are cross-reactive to the virus. So, there is probably a lot more prior exposure and immunity from previous corona viruses that already circulate in the population.

[@donalddrysdale246]

where were the lock downs, masks, and hypochondria during the 2017 bird flu alone, that killed 500,000 world wide? no one hardly even mentioned it. isn't kind of obvious no one needed masks to begin with? apparently, more people are sucked in by mainstream media lies then ever.

[@Skeptic_101]

Do you have peer reviewed research and data to back up those claims?

[@Mrs.Silversmith]

I would add that we should also be weighing the psychological harm it brings. Think about the effect on those who are depressed, anxious, feeling isolated, perhaps having claustrophobia, etc. What about the harm to those who are hard of hearing and rely on seeing people's faces to help them communicate? And I don't even want to think about the stress it causes to the very young, babies and toddlers, to have to interact with strangers with masks on. Bottom line is that I think we should let people assess the risk for themselves and make their own choices in the matter.

[@dsb4544]

She says if you have a problem with masks, just don't wear one, that's okay. She also said wear whatever is comfortable, any kind of cloth mask. It doesn't have to be the ultimate, or tight or suffocating; its just something that will reduce your exposure. She doesn't advocate mask mandates, just encouraging mask use. Her theory is that if you do get exposed to COVID, you will have less exposure, albeit some, and that might lead to you have a mild/asymptomatic case which will the drive an immune response, protecting you from worse illness down the road. Doing it the way she proposes is pretty easy, with little downside, and it could help, but if it turns out it doesn't, it really wasn't that inconvenient, so why not? But again, if you feel strongly, no problem, just skip it.

[@MamaMia-xn1op]

Then making vaccines would be so much easier to make if what she saying is true! Not falling for this! Herd immunity....more this!

[@UGotSerbed]

This makes me mildly optimistic! I also feel personally called out on being a tsk tsker in a few instances. I promise to do better.

[@honkymonkey9568]

I've never called anybody out (mainly because I don't want to get punched), but I do tsk tsk in my head.

[@UGotSerbed]

@@honkymonkey9568 It helps if you're the bearded, intense looking old dude with plenty of eyebrow game

[@maymayrays]

UGotSerbed 🤣

[@yotersmitt]

This vid is where i'm going to send tsk tskers in the future. ;)

[@okpower4959]

And I too will promise to do better.

[@FromRAFL]

This was a wonderful discussion, I’m being weird and am welling up over it 😭 the amount of compassion in this video, while also talking about a number of issues and including different perspectives, is such an antidote to the chaos in my mind about all this. Thank you both for teaching me so much in this one 💛

[@martinee959]

Dr Campbell says pretty much the same things. All great people.

[@Maddie9185]

10:49 that’s exactly what has happen in my town, it’s a small town predominantly essential works with multiple families living together. I’ve lost 8 people that have died of this virus. It always comes back to poverty. I agree with her theory on Mumbai.

[@EleneDOM]

So sorry. Wishing your family and community well.

[@donalddrysdale246]

they(the 'Bill Gates cult') have been ordering practitioners to call anything internal that people are dying from 'Covid'. give me a break.

[@donalddrysdale246]

excuse me if i'm maybe repeating, but they have been calling anything internal 'covid' when there is no proof that there is, and it is all designed so the psychopath Bill Gates can shoot us up with whatever--it also involves the 5G towers, that are making receptible people even sicker, which was also intentional. they behind it are of the stock that killed six million Jews and countless others.

[@maymayrays]

Omg. For the love of god, open playgrounds 😩😭😩😭

[@michaelcariello6233]

Are playgrounds closed!

[@maymayrays]

michael Cariello Ours has caution tape covering it. So we tear it down and are forced to teach our kids a lesson in civil disobedience. Multiple times a week. 🙄😑😑😑

[@arezooshaytoon]

@@maymayrays unfortunately Trump camp decided if they say its transmitted through touch then it would cause less panick. If you dont touch it you wont get it.. Now they come clear that its airborne. So yes the playgrounds need to open. It gets me angry how I was getting anxious touching doors, my type writer at work, washing all my purchases from store outside,, even getting gas for my car! The lies they told us.

[@Asptuber]

Closing playgrounds is insane. Recommending that people stay inside is insane. I must say that I feel both lucky and proud to live in a country that has done neither. Instead what happened in Finland in the spring was that we got updates on which nature spots where in danger of becoming too crowded, and recommendations on alternative places to go. As soon as weather permitted some daycares started to spend most of the time outside. When schools re-opened in spring, using outdoor settings was a part of many schools plans on how to minimize risk. Cycling is up (the city of Helsinki installed loads of cycling parking racks in the spring - not quite as good as the French bicycle-service voucher, but still something) Choirs and dance groups and all kinds of hobbies have moved outdoors, and we'll try to continue that as much as possible.

[@davidfayfield5773]

Joey Jo Joe Shabadu id like to tear down the caution tape around your playground😉

[@alfredlopez1854]

I love her speaking voice

[@heatherredden6642]

As a nurse ... to hear doctors speak with common sense AND kindness is sooo encouraging!!! If masks don’t work why do we cover our mouths when we sneeze or cough??? Of course they work

[@masterofreality926]

Of course they do, but not from exactly viruses, mostly bacteria. Also they meant to protect people who are around. If you got sick - wear mask, simple. Been long time practice in Japan.

[@RS-dq9pn]

Surgeons wear masks to avoid getting the patient infected by them

[@gilbertr535]

I'd like to see these two discuss the data that shows when mandated masks are applied, the # of cases go up. They both seem to not have an agenda, so it would be as close as you can get to a true and honest evaluation of the data.

[@MJSTAMAND]

So NOW will you stop rolling your eyes every time you have to say cloth masks?

[@diyeana]

Right? I love Z, but that's so annoying. "I still hate cloth masks 🙄 but..." lol

[@honkymonkey9568]

lol

[@marierhodes9675]

Respect to Z for doing this video in spite of past comments!

[@AFuller2020]

@@marierhodes9675 Yes, at least he admits tat he can change, we need more of this!

[@eeshanbhagwat7257]

What about the millions of others who will roll your eyes at you for being a selfish pos?

[@TheAustinrunner]

I have a question, Doctors. From this talk and some research, it’s suggested that smaller amount of viral load produces an infection that is less severe, often asymptotic. Makes sense. The viral load is therefore much less in asymptotic people. Why not just suggest masks for anyone with symptoms and allow everyone else to make their own decision if they want to mask? Much of past literature suggests only masking sick patients. And a follow up, why would we want masks on kids? They don’t seem to get symptoms and, although you keep saying there’s no harm in masks, I disagree when it comes to kids. It effects their social, emotional and intellectual development.

[@kimberlyscott6681]

I really appreciate this video/conversation. I've been confused by the mask messaging and totally turned off by the "mask-nazi-esque" attacks and politicization of this whole thing. I've known the illness was real, but the hyperbolic approach by some to try to force folks to wear masks has done more damage than good. We NEED this information.

[@donalddrysdale246]

I think your confused Kimberly, like most people---the only 'politicization' is coming from where it usualy does; the mainstream media and the technocrat cult behind it. the mainstream has been mind screwing people at least since the TV appeared in 1950, then, in the last 18, I-phones have been driving it in harder than ever. a man named David Icke who knows more about the American Gov and Monarchy on the outside of them, was banned from his You Tube channel back in March for supposedly spreading mis- information about 'covid'. they( the 'Bill Gates cult') wouldn't of done that to him if they weren't afraid of him exposing their agenda. obviously, people have been dying from a strain of whatever, but as usual, it is only killing those with pre-existing immune system problems, which is always the case with any strain there has been since WWI. INFORMATION is exactly the thing the cult behind mainstream uses to control perceptions--that's why it's so hard to trust anyone other than yourself; and anyone wise wouldn't much. where were the lock downs, masks, and hypochondria during the 2017 bird flu alone, that killed 500,000 world wide? hardly anyone mentioned it and life went on. I know it's a hard pill, but the bush line in the 'Gov' ARE Nazis, as well as the rest of their 'Rothschild Zionists' in their secret society--they assassinated JFK because he wanted to stop secret societies. the thing killing us far more than anything right now is denial. Icke has been trying to get through to people for 30 years that they are a beyond psychotic and mega-rich cult that has an agenda for us all, and he has over 20 books published about it. isn't it obvious Bill Gates is just waiting to stick a needle in our arms as well?

[@aprboone1]

Thank you for mentioning the poor.

[@excepticayselectiva]

Good approach, this great conversation. I remember the 80s and 90s with HIV, there was so much work done to avoid stigmatizing and now it's happening all over again. And yes, grandparents need to get with family. The mental health status affects the immune system. People need to go out, get sun, breath fresh air, see the family, with precaution. Because suicides have gone up too. Also, people need resources, not everybody can afford to stay home, locked without food or money.

[@JWSedona]

Can you or Dr. Ghandi speak to the criticisms of her research by Mike Osterholm?

[@ricklochner469]

As for cloth masks, he (Osterholm) said: "Again, I want to make it very clear that I support the use of cloth face coverings by the general public. I wear one myself on the limited occasions I'm out in public," he adds. He's not anti-mask

[@JWSedona]

That’s not the point Rick Lochner. Perhaps you did not comprehend Dr. Osterholm’s criticism of Dr. Ghandi’s study.

[@commonsenseisntcommon1576]

Excellent conversation. Thank you for such wonderful insights. If only “those in charge” would listen.

[@reneebenmeleh8004]

I’ve listened to 4 of your videos now and it’s such a breath of fresh air for me because you’re willing to hold opposing perceptions and viewpoints, while still maintaining scientific knowledge. I too feel that certain lockdown measures are extreme to the point where they lack sense and bring about a whole new pandemic of isolation related health issues and financial catastrophe. I wear my mask, I am careful, it doesn’t have me feeling less free to wear a mask. What sucks is not to cuddle and perform. That has been hard. This ☝️ is one of the best I’ve heard. Glad you’re here. Bay Area rocks Dogg!

[@Chamelionroses]

When have the majority ever cared that much about others or the poor? A very few seem to. Thank you for your work and all essential workers.

[@bjulias7299]

This is such an awesome conversation and thank you for inviting Dr Gandhi to your show!

[@lizaronni]

As a retail pharmacist, I admit that it’s *so hard* to fight the impulse to shame the occasional maskless customer for potentially exposing staff and other customers. But I am truly much more optimistic by this hypothesis of reducing severity and maybe even accelerating herd immunity by reducing innoculum by getting 80% of us to wear masks. It’s especially reassuring to me personally now that it’s flu shot season and I’m having direct physical contact with one or two dozen people per day. I think Dr Gandhi might be my new superhero!🦸‍♀️ ⭐️

[@markbubnick819]

God Bless you ZDoggMD. I have watched 4 of your podcasts and it is so nice to see 2 adults having a grown up discussion. So unusual and refreshing.

[@shayjankowski4405]

Couldn’t cross-reactivity between coronaviruses be part of the reason some of those countries “that were used to masking” because of SARS have a low fatality rate? Could it be because they have suffered through other recent coronavirus outbreaks?

[@garrettramirez428]

There's now a peer review paper in 'Medical Hypothesis' journal that says just that.

[@donalddrysdale246]

isn't the most important observation that only a certain percentage of the population die from ANY strain there has been? most people have healthy immune systems; if we didn't we would all be dying. 50 million died from swine flu during WWI, and that was the last time, because it was during the war and they didn't know nearly as much about vaccines. anyone that lived in a clean environment since birth will be shocked to death by someone that hasn't. that is why most of the N American indigenous population was wiped out; too much of a shock after thousands of years. I think people have lost much common sense from having the mainstream media being rammed into their ears with I--phones the last 18 years, and have been totally obsessed with them.

[@kimbers1238]

This is so wild. I live close to new Orleans and I said from the beginning that the places who seemed to be getting it the worse are areas where people live on top of each other.

[@carrieherbison543]

Hasn’t Dr. Eric Nepute asked to talk with you too on the mask stance! Why do you refuse to speak with him on this same topic?

[@DogmaGirlAD]

This is the most convincing argument for masks that I have heard. I'm not saying that I'm going to completely jump on the mask-train. I'll often wear masks when I know it would upset other people if I didn't (I just really don't want to start a fight on it). But this might convince me to actually give masks a second thought and potentially wear it slightly more often than I might have otherwise. I've never been a Covid-denier. I get it, this is a real disease. But I've kind of always thought from the beginning of all of this that it's been inevitable that I'm going to get the sickness at some point. If it's inevitable for me to get the sickness, why would I make my life suck in the meanwhile? Or so goes my logic. As far as not wanting to get other people sick, well, because my husband is an "essential worker" and there really isn't a feasible way for me or our children to quarantine ourselves from him, It's not like we were able to see any of our higher risk loved ones anyway. So, I kind of look at it as though I'm not actually putting anyone else at risk who wouldn't inevitably be getting it anyway. answer the most part I felt like I was around people who were generally healthy and would likely be asymptomatic or very mildly sick. I figured for all of us it was kind of one of those well let's me and everyone I'm around just go ahead and get sick and get this over with because it's inevitable that we are going to get sick. And hey, We might be part of the "sacrificial lambs" (and better us who'd have a slightly milder time of it then somebody who would die) that help bring us to herd immunity. Some people think that my behavior is careless almost as though I didn't believe the disease existed. No, it's rather that I think it's inevitable so I might as well enjoy life in the meantime.

[@donalddrysdale246]

where were the lock downs , masks, and hypochondria in 2017 alone, when 500,000 people died world wide from bird flu? hardly anyone noticed it and life went on. there has got to be something wrong with people's eyes now Emily--all of a sudden eight months ago people are believing they are going to die everywhere if their not wearing masks, which only happened because of the mainstream media telling people as usual. just last year--same thing--100,000 died from TB; no one panicked. there is a strain of something almost every year these days. moreover, Isn't it kind of obvious that this strain of whatever must of been made in a China lab then set loose? then, all they had to do was use the mainstream. they are lying to people that don't understand that the people that have died from it are just those with pre--existing immune system problems, which is always the case. if that wasn't true, the death toll would be way higher. if you have a healthy normal immune system, then you don't need to worry about it because you will recover from whatever it is just like a common cold, in which it apparently isn't any more harmful then that if you have a normal immune. I have gotten sick before because the ignorant guy sitting across from me in a sauna didn't cover his month when he coughed; that's normal, it's not normal to be paranoid of killing someone for God sakes. your not responsible for someone else's health; just your own. this a fear mongering scam in which Bill Gates is very much a part of, just like 911 was an obvious scam. they are doing it because have an agenda for us all. there are people protesting this lunacy all over the world.

[@Arenem88]

Awesome refreshing dialogue. Very casual, yet profound. Thank you!

[@themuskrat5776]

My question is at what point do we stop wearing the masks? 12 months? 18 months?

[@EleneDOM]

That's one of the big questions right now. Unfortunately we truly don't know and probably won't for a number of months at least.

[@marklopez4262]

Answer is always even with a vaccine or it will be something else. Those who are not at risk need not wear a mask. We must expose ourselves to this virus or when we take them off old crap that we used to get will be more serious. We have inmune systems that adapt. But yet they both believe in herd and Tcell immunity. We probably already have 100 mil already exposed. Those most at risk need vaccine even if only 30% effective but still have a better chance of dying than younger healthy people otherwise probably. These people that get vaccine probably should continue to wear a mask forever?

[@kimberlyscott6681]

@@marklopez4262 The point of the video is that even with the mask, you're still going to be exposed to the virus. The question is, how much virus exposure will you receive and how sick will it make you? The question then should be, when will we open up fully even if wearing a mask in certain circumstances? We will still get sick. Like you said, if it's not this, it'll be something else.

[@Johnrider1234]

Lloyd Buchter not until their poison shot is ready.

[@sajjadnasir862]

thats my question and im afraid we will be forced to wear a mask outside of covid

[@evebehr]

First, I loved this interview. But it also focussed on an issue I have been mentally railing about everytime ZDogg harped on “older people”. Yes, older people are more susceptible to darn near anything. But Covid mostly hit those older people (and some staff) that were living in continuing care facilities. I live in Canada and the statistics are remarkably similar. 62% to 82% of the deaths were in these facilities. Facilities where often the people were living four to a bedroom (this shocked me). To compound matters, in these types of facilities, the residents are exposed continuously by various staff members in very close, intimate procedures over which the patient has almost no control. The resident also has no control over whether they get to wear a mask. As a compare and contrast, I live in a high rise apartment building with a wide range of ages but a high percentage of older folks (at age 67 I’m one of them by the way) because it’s the sort of place that people can live for decades and do. Some are quite frail but they get around. There are no cases in my block that I know of (and I know the managers well and know they are transparent). Now that we can wear masks (i.e., our health authority has graced us with their permission), we mostly wear masks in common settings. But even before masks our encounters were brief. We all have control over who comes into our living spaces. We all get to take as many precautions as we think wise now that we’re past the point of sealing ourselves up like anchorites. And I wear a mask in public, especially now that I believe that it might be difference between hospitalization and merely being ill at home. In sum, I wish the stats would differentiate between old people who live communally in care homes and the rest of us who lead relatively normal but careful lives - because we can.

[@carl13579]

Thank you for teaching me a new word today! (Anchorites.)

[@Rustymouse]

Yes they are lumping everybody over 50 60 70 to be 'locked up' in their homes which is not logical. Plenty of older people are more healthier than some younger ones. It all depends on the immune system , on how strong it is, not the age of the person.

[@Asptuber]

You have a good point. Last I looked at our stats (Finland) a little less than half of all our deaths were people in continuing care. BUT even if you subtract that, the deaths still do skew old. But I do agree that talking about "just old people" infuriates me, even though I have a good twenty years myself until I enter that bracket. The continued care thing is a real issue - but it is a *different* issue (and one that can be mitigated, but it takes a lot of thought, work and actually caring). Talk about "locking up" all the risk groups and letting everyone else live normally makes me so angry. What we don't need is fractioning society in this way. We can ALL make small adjustment to lower the risks. It isn't hard. Meet outdoors whenever you can. Meet in bigger spaces. Mask when you can't do that. Put potential superspreading events (festivals etc) on hold for a year. We don't need to shut everyone over 65 out of society. We can't do that. It is unhuman to do that.

[@evebehr]

@@Asptuber Oh I know that the death statistics skew old. They do for most conditions and that holds for Covid also. However, I study Maths and Statistics through coursework and as a hobby. I have frequently felt frustrated in trying to find data that related to older people in the face of the huge confounding factor that most deaths have been in continuing care facilities and, of course, most of those people are old. Looking at Canadian numbers, only 7.1% (352,205) of people age 65 and over live in care facilities according to Statistics Canada (2011). If up 60 to 80% of all Covid fatalities for the *total* population occurred in that small segment of the population that is one heck of a confounding factor. (BTW, people 65 or over constitute about 15-16% of the total Canadian population.) I was trying to find an answer to the "how worried should I be?" question and the numbers I've been getting have not been helpful. I'm a 67 year old woman in reasonably good health all things considered and living independently. My sources indicate that it pays to be careful, that playing the delaying game pays off (treatments are better), wear a mask (it reduces severity), and accept that this is yet another thing that might catch me in the end but not the likeliest. And for whatever time I have left, I want to continue to work towards goals and enjoy myself. BTW, credit to ZDogg, I notice that in his next interview he changed his phrasing occasionally to "people in nursing homes" rather than simply "if you are older".

[@Asptuber]

@@evebehr That statistic about percent of age groups in assisted living vs covid deaths is really eye-opening. Thank you. Makes me curious about what our figures here in Scandinavia would be - and given that we tend to want everyone to cope at home with help rather than move I wonder what the best way to calculate that would even be. Because an old frail person who needs help bathing and getting into and out of bed will in Sweden and Finland nowadays very often not live in a facility, but at home with up to 5x daily help. If you think about exposure, and the person's control of it, this type of set-up is really bad. (Though it can be mitigated, I was so happy when I heard that the organisation taking care of my father had rather quickly got in place plans for what to do if they got infections - cohorting both staff and clients.) I wish we would get better data on these things, and better presented.

[@markchessler3875]

Zdogg, Thank you for this rational conversation on COVID19. This was an extremely useful and informative hour.

[@karenkaren3189]

One of my nephews has lived in Asia for years. Wearing masks has always been part of their culture. He lives in Singapore now, Society is fairly open, but safely.

[@marklopez4262]

I have spoken to many people from non western countries and they do not like the restrictions (mandates). They say that is why they came to America and where they come from they have more serious illnesses that kill at alrming rates.

[@smbchc]

obedience has always been part of their culture

[@petergeorgerey]

Most well balanced medical conversation I've ever seen, med school or otherwise.

[@lisakelley8245]

I loved this!!!! Dr. Gandhi was so great at explaining how masks actually help with transmission and may lessen the effects of the virus if you get it. This was very compelling. Thank you! Have her back.

[@ray-o1659]

Thank you Zdogg and Dr. Ghandi! Zdogg your podcast is the best source of information I've seen regarding this pandemic. Thank you for bringing light to these dark times. I pray the information you're putting out reaches the world. Writing from Spain on the brink of a second lockdown and a country overwhelmed by fear.

[@crumpred805]

I think the mask is a physiological "shield" which works to remind us to keep our distance. I've always been a bit absent minded and I cannot count the number of times that I've had to walk back to my car to retrieve my mask.

[@Scott-iw5ji]

As someone who generally instinctively rejected the idea that the common plain masks were doing much good, this open and reasonable discussion has given me much to think about. The idea of masking at the societal level acting as a "control gate" on both the spread and severity makes sense, and is the type of nuance that is lost (but desparately needed) in the discussion.

[@kathrynratliff7728]

Also what about the fact that the current “good tests” have a 40% false positive rate and 30% false negative? How do we believe the results when 70% are WRONG?

[@donalddrysdale246]

wouldn't common sense say that it's all an obvious scam and agenda of the 'bill Gates cult'? where was all the testing, masks and all the rest of the present hypochondria in 2017 alone, when 500,000 people died world wide from bird flu? hardly anyone said anything about and life went on.

[@thelogicaldanger]

​@@donalddrysdale246 The countries hit by bird flu took it very seriously and masked up, which is why they quickly masked up when COVID hit. Bird flu was not talked about much in the US, because it was almost non-existent here.

[@robertcoombes7733]

Thank you! The reason we have split so much is because their has been so little trustworthy leadership on this pandemic. Became political so quickly that none of the information could be trusted. If we had leadership that was calm like this and explored these issues in a factual way like this I believe we'd be in a much different place.

[@thatswhatisaidCA]

I loved this video. THANK YOU for the info and the great attitudes. Respect.

[@courtneyp8898]

I wish more people would talk to people with this much compassion and humanity. Thank both of you.

[@janakingking3022]

Oh My! This was One of the most amazing discussions I have heard on Covid!!! Please have Dr. Gandhi come back with the results of the study!

[@lornagasper5]

This is a 10!!! Thank you Dr. Monica Gandhi and Dr. ZDOGGMD for the great discussion!

[@BKNew2022]

Great content! It helped me better understanding the risk of sending my kids back to school. Thank you. 👍

[@janelle144]

Our little suburb kept the pool open this summer. Some were totally against it but we had no problems. Kids out in the air, chlorine water and social distanced with life guards who supervised. No snack bar, kids brought their own snacks and everything else they needed. Didn't put put any chairs. Kids had nothing to do this summer. Everything was shut down from all the sports to the rec center, even the playgrounds are taped off. Parents were so happy the kids had something to do.

[@mountainkat1719]

The doctor mentioned the case where a person in a salon had an active case of covid and was still working but with a mask on; however, how can you determine that she was within the window of transmission if not one person tested positive?? The window of transmission for covid is very narrow for people who have a mild case, it is more likely she was shedding active virus not because she was wearing a mask.

[@OfficiallySusan]

This is great info. I am a conservative, I wear a mask, without complaints, even though I hate wearing it due to living in a hot climate and feeling claustrophobic. Since early June, I have been wondering about masks possibly providing a “lower dose” of COVID-19 and getting so frustrated with the anger towards people who don’t wear masks. When I see someone not wearing one, I just walk away...it’s that simple. I don’t need to scream at them, bc I can only control my own behavior. Everyone needs to relax. We are all going through this nonsense and we need to be more kind to each other and practice personal responsibility.

[@kat1984]

This makes a lot of sense. I want to protect myself and everyone around me

[@eeshanbhagwat7257]

Nobody needs your help protecting anyone, please just stay home lmao.

[@52marli]

@@ghwk-phd2784 i have to wonder by now, if disease control is not the end goal here. Klaus Schwab has an entirely different view and is quite excited that all his dreams are coming true. Oh and the fact media switched from reporting deaths to reporting 'cases' was pretty sneaky.

[@donalddrysdale246]

the only health you are responsible to protect is your own. if you have a pre--existing immune system problem, that would also be your problem. we are responsible for our own behavior not others--the psychopaths behind this scam are trying to make people believe otherwise in part by breaking down people's self -esteem.

[@kidcalabria]

I would like to ask 3 simple questions: 1) Covid-19 attacks the respiratory system. How can it be a good idea to wear a mask (and I see people wearing them when they're alone, in their cars, and even wearing 2 of them, etc..) that stops you from breathing correctly? Since when breathing in one's carbon dioxide is good for you? I always read that breathing in one's carbon dioxide can lead to hypercapnia which in the long run leads to respiratory acidosis, a pre-condition for some types of cancer. 2) Since children don't seem to be affected by Covid-19, why should they wear masks exactly? Is it a good idea for children to grow up, to be in school, etc.. surrounded by masked people? What does that do to children psychologically long-term? 3) Surgeons wear masks to protect patients on the operating table, but not for hours every day. If speaking in a normal tone of voice - i.e: without shouting - how much spit can you actually project onto others, considering that normally people speak to one another always from a distance and not a few inches away from each others' faces? I could go on along these lines, but I'd be grateful if first someone could answer these 3 questions. Thank you

[@bullymaguire632]

The mask doesn't trap the CO2, it's smaller than the hole of the mask

[@amyjohnson9531]

I want to know the risks side of wearing a mask constantly . In all fairness of this discussion.

[@kathrynratliff7728]

Great question!

[@mototacularlife5267]

@@kathrynratliff7728 one that no one wants to talk about or discuss at all. Cloth Mask that we touch and take on and off, on and off, on and off all day for days on end and stuff in out pockets, purses etc. you think this is protecting anyone at all?

[@Rachel-ow6ij]

There are no side effects, aside from maybe having some pimples if you’re acne prone. It’s a piece of fabric that oxygen can get through. Why are people so dramatic about it?

[@kathrynratliff7728]

@@Rachel-ow6ij if oxygen can get through , so can viruses.....

[@uniteandstandtogether5545]

@@kathrynratliff7728 exactly...oh but apparently not as much...but it's so deadly... it's an aerosol virus??? Of course...that for sure can get through a piece of paper??? Hey if they say just put a plastic bag and duck tape it to your face...it makes as much sense...and for sure no one will die of the communist china virus. Event 201 yes they have our best interest at heart especially when fauci is set to make millions off his vaccine investment. Sure we trust these corrupt, compromised or just plain criminals. WHO head...Mr. genocide? Gates...Mr. eugenics...don't worry they got a stronger more virulent virus in that cooker.

[@lcflngn]

Ok, less upset than I had been at ZDogg, great interview.

[@jaredkelly5470]

This needs more views

[@OlsaAnn]

Love this talk and agree with almost 100% would like you to comment on the part of social distancing and the ability to be mask free outside and in fresh air. Masks good in confined spaces but not outside.

[@donalddrysdale246]

where were the masks, lock downs, and hypochondria in 2017 alone, that killed 500,000 world wide? hardly anyone mentioned it and life went on. the mainstream media fear mongering has people under a spell.

[@bagamias-hula]

I'm personally against wearing a mask for myself for many reasons, but I appreciate the nuanced discussion.

[@katahdincloud9803]

Jacob, Maybe find another are in life to test out whether you are right or wrong, that has less risk to you and to others? Is this the only thing you’ve ever been met with that society asks you to do that doesn’t feel like free will? You might find many parts of life impose rules, regulation, Taxes, norms, expectations, etc. Are you making good progress in life debating constantly that everything should feel good to your ego, mind, spirit and body? Try wearing a mask and see if you can suffer through it. You’ll be ok. Not the time to be wrong.

[@bagamias-hula]

@@katahdincloud9803 1 learn how to form coherent sentences. 2. Look up what a midwit is. 3. Way to assume many things about me you are clueless about. 4. I hope you have more going for you in life than empty, presumptive, and pretentious virtue signaling with a stranger on the internet because, sincerely, your response is just pathetic. 5. Nothing you say here is new, I have heard it all, and still disagree. 6. Calm down, because people can disagree with you and still be good, considerate, kind, and moral people.

[@ase2201]

To confirm her hypothesis, it would be important to correlate asymptomatic responses with lower antibody titers as is seen with most animal studies. Also, not including the possibility of preexisting immunity in Taiwan (and other affected countries) from the 2003 outbreak is not giving the full story as to why their CFR are much lower.

[@Maddie9185]

“Wear a mask to protect others” was bad advice because most people are selfish and only think about themselves. I am one Of those 80% that believes that wearing a mask is not too much ask and I believe in being part of the solution and not add to the problem. Totally agreed with Dr Gandhi. This was a great interview.

[@muhammadalieesaa3379]

In the UK everyone has to wear masks at work, I said to my supervisor that masks are not just going to protect you from the coronavirus, it will also protect you incase somebody farts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Maddie9185]

@@muhammadalieesaa3379 good point 😂😂

[@muhammadalieesaa3379]

@@Maddie9185 if someone does a loud fart at least you can hear it & it's an alarm bell to tell you to run, but those silent ones don't give any warning but you won't notice when you are wearing a mask 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Asptuber]

I liked that message, but mostly because it cuts out all the fretting about fomites and touching your face and masks not being effective enough. For the same reason I really like the minimal innoculum-idea. I hope we get more compelling science on it, and people like the virologists at TWIW stop pooh-poohing the idea. In my daily life* the fretting about how protective masks are or not ("if it fogs your glasses it isn't tight enough") and the fear of fomites is what annoys me the most. I like my cloth masks for public transport, they go in my pocket, I don't worry about boiling them or other such magical rituals. But I am actually considering getting a visor. But only because I direct a moderately risk-prone group of folk dancers, and when we have to move our gatherings indoors I don't want to be the asymptomatic person who sprays 10+ people with virus. Talking over music means you have to be somewhat loud... loudness correlates with more droplets and more aerosol-size particles. Just a few days ago I heard some idiot talking about how visors without a mask aren't enough blabla. This kind of talk irritates me no end. The point would be that a visor is very helpful in a situation where you have to talk loudly, and people must be able to see your mouth. And no, doing dance practice via zoom is not an option. Why is risk-*reduction* such a hard concept for so many people? *I'm in Finland: things have been ok here so far, rather moderate "lock downs" (ie school and bar closures for 6-8 weeks in spring, recommendations against mass gatherings and for quarantining after travel to high-prevalence areas. Now we are quite up to speed on test-trace. I'd like to see more masks on public transport (it's about 20-40% only), but our incidence is still tolerable (still below 10/100k/2 weeks I think).

[@eeshanbhagwat7257]

Your version of a solution is to give people malaria lmao. "ding dong"... look up masks causing malaria.

[@stacyoleary9722]

This was wonderful. I loved how non-divisive both doctors were.

[@eeshanbhagwat7257]

That's why you're sheep, chicken.

[@slashaholic11]

@@eeshanbhagwat7257 please elloborate why you call her that? Did you watch it?

[@carolinelawson5213]

We have just gotten out of winter and have had our lowest flu count ever.

[@marklopez4262]

What country?

[@AnnaTMOW]

@@ghwk-phd2784 excellent and compelling reply! Thank you!

[@AnnaTMOW]

@@ghwk-phd2784 I watched the video, and am sharing his thoughts with others. A recent ZDogg video discusses how he changed his mind from being against masks to for them. I am still hesitant to jump on the 80% masking train. It makes a lot of sense to me that a lack of baseline data/incorrect data only leads to muddled and possibly hysterical conclusions!

[@AnnaTMOW]

@@ghwk-phd2784 Reading as we speak, thank you so much for such great resources!!

[@Alexonguitar]

Such a good conversation! Where’s the follow up December episode?!

[@nathanrhodes4131]

Ivor Cummins has a video showing the infection and death curves in other countries that also imposed mask mandates very early, and there was no correlation, so it seems like they're cherry picking here.

[@tammykoble236]

THEY ARE!

[@danielsharon524]

Don't ALL docs know who you are? You do have cred. Great show. I'm an engineer but also tangentially involved with Healthcare & I've been on the anti-mask spectrum (I live in a mask mandate area) because as an engineer I hadn't seen anything compelling that they were effective. This definitely gave me some pause. While only a hypothesis at this point, it makes PERFECT sense and at least the circumstantial evidence seems promising. Looking forward to the paper and in the meantime, I won't b***h so much about wearing the masks:).

[@wendyhoffman3985]

Thank you for this conversation. Very informative. And appreciated.

[@OfficiallySusan]

Dr. Ghandi is so smart and her voice is so relaxing. I could listen to her all day! She needs her own podcast! 💖

[@kathrynratliff7728]

What about all the scientific studies that showed that masks don’t prevent the spread of viruses - repeated studies over many years conducted in health care workers?

[@aragorntheranger]

Zedong isn't getting paid from anti -mask people unlike his big pharma over lords

[@greenfriends9438]

that is the theory ( or hypothesis!). masks dont stop the spread they reduce the rate of inoculant which leads to less severe illness and immunity.

[@donalddrysdale246]

yes, but unfortunately these deluded fear mongering neurotics are getting their way again and jailing us ALL.

[@gerrym-cat7119]

Dr. Gandhi, you convinced me, as a mask sceptic , of the benefit of wearing a mask. That's the way to do it! That's the way to talk to people. Not by bludgeoning them with fear and shame-inducing stupid messages. 👏 Bravo!

[@donalddrysdale246]

how is anyone wearing masks at all everything to do with fear? where were the lock downs, masks, and hypochondria in 2017 alone, when 500,000 people died from bird flu? hardly anyone mentioned it and life went on.

[@Vierotchka]

What about all those anti-mask people who shame mask wearers, aggress mask wearers, shout at mask wearers, insult mask wearers? Pull off the masks of mask wearers?

[@themuskrat5776]

Where has this happened? Most of the stories I see are mask wearers attacking non-mask wearers.

[@ericawooters7921]

@@themuskrat5776 depends on where you are. Here in my county in MT, "patriots" are shaming mask wearers as "sheeple" for "bowing to the facist regime", screaming at business owners for "forcing" them to wear a mask... it's ridiculous

[@joelmorrow7101]

@@themuskrat5776 Non maskers are generally more informed. The reason I don't wear one is because 1) they are counter productive, 2) they are a hassle not to mention the cost and absurdity, 3) the whole premise is based on a lie, 4) I refuse to give credence to a lie, 5) I am fairly healthy and I take other precautions to keep my immune system up, and 6) wearing a mask is psy-op conditioning meant to take you to the next level of taking the Satanic Bill Gates patented 060606 Luciferase vaccine.

[@SoranoGuardias]

@@joelmorrow7101 Okay Alex Jones.

[@masterofreality926]

@@ericawooters7921 And what will you say about this : The scientific evidence around the effectiveness of face masks in combatting the spread of infection is weak, which is why different countries have arrived at different recommendations. Some countries have chosen to view face masks as a form of security and hope that universal use of face masks will reduce the risk of infection spreading from people who are in the incubation period, before the symptoms are apparent, or who have such mild or unspecific symptoms that they do not consider themselves ill. The Public Health Agency of Sweden does not recommend the general use of face masks, as a face mask that itches or slips down below the nose may mean a person is regularly touching their mouth, eyes or nose with their hands, which can increase the risk of the infection spreading. Use of a facemask may also encourage people with mild symptoms to go out into the community, which might increase the spread of infection. The Public Health Agency of Sweden is constantly assessing the state of knowledge in this area and reviews new information from various sources.

[@carlaferrier2967]

DrBeen on YT reviewed a study that shows certain mouthwashes lower the viral load in the mouth if done as stated in the study. One extra tool. Additionally great study regarding Ivermectin and cv19.

[@janestill1]

Yes, thank you....I was one who watched the Mask video and the result was that I now wear a mask with more ease, as it now makes sense to me!

[@gansosmansos]

It's a MUZZLE not a mask. It's a quality control measure to guage how compliant the masses are. Why are we supposed to get so worked up over a largely harmless disease??? 80%+ of completely asymptomatic 99.95+ survival rate Better odds than you could ever get in Vegas.

[@anthonycunningham4598]

How much of a role does stress and it’s effect on the immune system play in the level of infection?

[@MsJupii]

Dear professor Gandhi, Do u believe, that death rates would really have been this high, if we would. have done nothing?

[@robertolson3115]

We can look back at previous pandemics and see what the difference was between countries that did where masks and didn't. Little to no difference.

[@75marklee]

robert olson I believe that .. but in reality the only real experiment which is impossible is to turn back time and have the population do the opposite of what they did previously ( mask or unmask ) during the same virus spread and count numbers. But I tend to think it doesn’t make a huge difference

[@mathildeb8856]

Dr.Gandhi, your work is very useful. Thank you. Just a small detail. The reason we can work from home is not because of wireless; it is thanks to our wired broadband networks (technology built by AT&T). Wireless technology just makes it more comfortable to use broadband because the connection can be tetherless.

[@wmdkitty]

This isn't about my comfort, it's about not spreading the 'rona. I feel like that's just a little more important than accommodating my mask-aversion. (Plus the mask is far more comfortable than a ventilator, so...)

[@lamb0warri0r77]

word? rona doesnt put ppl on a ventilator doofis

[@pearlbarkley1019]

What about it's better to be safe than sorry??? What about social responsibility???

[@slashaholic11]

This is important for anti-maskers who think it's all about governmental control.

[@pilotandy_com]

23:00 - So, as you say, its on a spectrum. Certain amounts of pathogen will boost immunity, rather than put you in the hospital. I believe that spectrum also exists for the recipient. A 300 pound guy can probably drink more beer before feeling intoxicated than a 100 pound kid. So some people probably have more tolerance or are in better health to handle a larger dose of COVID-19. So, it stands to reason that the one size fits all of "everyone wear a mask" still doesn't apply. and that's what I argue for, is less government one size fits all mandates, reopen everything, and let people take their own risks or precautionary measures as they see fit. It's called freedom and personal responsibility.

[@donalddrysdale246]

anyone that still has a stich of common sense left would get that. this is obviously tyranny that the deluded public only has itself to blame for by continuing to vote in these mega-rich psychopaths behind this scam.

[@markjobson726]

Dr Z, you and dr Gandhi appear to in the same room in very close proximity and not wearing masks. Am I correct? Please explain.

[@KPm397]

The bit in this interview where she talks about not shaming people for not wearing a mask is really surprising that this guy agrees. He’s made his KZbin career off of shaming people in the natural health community. Especially parents.

[@donalddrysdale246]

sure, he just agrees wherever he needs to, so he can pull off whatever scam he's involved in. people need to stop being so bloody naïve.

[@Skinnersteadratterrierpuppies]

My thoughts exactly 💯 😕

[@shantiza33]

I’m beginning to notice that also.

[@annkronen3945]

This certainly supports the importance of consistent messaging. My concern is the reports of heart damage, lung damage showing up in even asymptomatic patients. So, my question is: is there any data yet on significant viral load without serious symptoms but later heart damage?

[@amyy164]

I think her theory makes sense but this is my problem with mask mandates; Eating process foods, drinking alcohol, not having access to medical care, smoking, etc also leads to a significant amount of deaths in the United States however we don’t have no smoking mandates, we don’t have access to care mandates. It’s really difficult for us to take anything our government says seriously when it’s been a while since a public health policy truly made a huge impact on our quality of life. During lockdown you could not go to the gym but all liquor stores were open. Does that make sense?

[@laurencezemlick1979]

The difference is that smoking, alcohol, and processed foods are not contagious. I understand your point though, it’s hard to trust the authorities at this point. In this case, because it’s such a simple and low cost measure, wearing a mask is the obvious choice. It won’t hurt you, but it likely will. We mandate seatbelts, we can mandate this too for public safety purposes.

[@FriscoMix]

Since the number of critical care beds in our health system is limited, keeping the amount of CoVID19 cases requiring hospitalization as low as possible ought to be our goal. Efficient and timely access to an ER for anyone with a serious injury or acute health crisis (appendicitis et al) is essential, might we agree?

[@russellbrooks23able]

You are right. You cannot legislate health. Personal choice trumps "but it's infectious" fear and hysteria. A healthy body does not get sick. By eating crap food, drinking soda and energy drinks, smoking, couch-potatoing, an unhealthy body is created and along with a compromised immune system. But people make their choices and they are not fined or harrassed for them, yet masks suddenly require the enforcement by the state, and they don't work, despite this theory, which sounds ok but is unverified.

[@1057FarmWife]

Thank you so much for actually allowing your guest to speak!

[@vKarl71]

Good, though repetitious. I wish they'd discussed long-term effects (such as diminished lung function & neurological effects) experienced by those who are considered as having *recovered* from Covid19.

[@koralesten3818]

that's a different topic they focused on wearing the masks

[@douglasmccart8963]

The most lucid and intelligent discussion on the virus I have heard so far backed up with studies now after all this time I understand thank you

[@mikegibbons6228]

Another quality conversation. We need more in the world.

[@clthornsbury4192]

But were they asymptomatic or did they just have antibodies from already having the virus?

[@judyforcino1039]

Really good intelligent conversation, thank you.

[@Gaiagirl85]

This is why good ventilation in enclosed spaces is crucial. In high enough concentrations virus aerosols (which build up over time in rooms without outside ventilation), can make you really sick by ending up directly into your lungs when you breathe in.

[@masterofreality926]

Can also use UV lamps in the area, while being out of room.

[@deniseb2571]

She's amazing. Thank goodness for providers like her. Thank you!

[@jom.mar.1401]

I really love listening and watching your videos. I salute you! God bless you and your family. God have mercy on us all.🙏