How To Stop Living In Fear of COVID (w/Dr. Monica Gandhi)

[@lornagasper5]

I love Dr. Monica Gandhi. She's like a mother who hugs a son or a daughter after a long stressful day at work.

[@BigIdeaSeeker]

1:01:00 “It’s comforting to hear from someone who’s not anxious.” More to the point, “It’s comforting to hear from someone who’s not anxious and is not flippantly dismissive.”

[@sonnyrosedeville9521]

Beautiful interview! Speaking of fear , poverty and health related issues, I once asked my grandmother how the depression affected her life. She told me that the depression was not as life-changing to her family and their rural southern community in the Mississippi Delta because they were very poor and lived off of the land. She said the flu epidemic of 1918 was the most life-changing event. She was only eight years old, but because of the devastating loss, she remembered it well.Their little community was hit hard. They could not bury the victims fast enough (her words). She lost two siblings and both parents (my great grandparents) Many children, including her, were orphaned. Eventually it became so deadly in their area that a mass grave was dug and many victims were buried together. In the 1980s, she and others who lived through this epidemic made a list of all the victims that they could remember buried in that grave behind their tiny clapboard church. A headstone with the names was finally placed at the grave in the 1990s. Even though she experienced all of this, my grandmother never lived in fear. She lived a life of love.

[@samanthanewton1340]

I've been terrified of the virus since it all started. I haven't left my house for months. Thought of suicide. I have a LOT of anxiety. Thank you for this. I just started watching a couple weeks ago. I agree listening to someone who isn't afraid does help my anxiety. I am making baby steps.

[@carl13579]

Start taking walks outside. The risk outdoors (unless you are breathing right up in someone's face) is essentially zero.

[@felixcat9455]

I’m in the same boat. I don’t leave the house often but when I do my anxiety peaks for days after. I’m constantly monitoring for symptoms. I just hate this and the realization that this is going to go on for some time is very depressing.

[@EEEBA1]

I'm sorry you feel that way. This is not any worse than the regular flu. This whole thing is blown out of proportions and planned carefully for people to act and react exactly the way you are and many others. This is the biggest hoax of our lifetime. Masks do more damage than help. When people fear they don't think rationality and they know that very well. That's their goal. I'm willing to be placed in a room with people with a virus and I guarantee you I won't get it and if I do I wouldn't even know. That's how mild it is in over 99.6% of cases. I have more fear of wearing a mask than the virus. The dangers virus you should worry about is the media like news, your TV etc, that's the real virus pushing the agenda. One more thing to think about: If the media didn't push this agenda 27/7 on all channels nobody would even know anything about the "virus". Think about that for a minute.

[@EEEBA1]

It's not. That's the problem. The numbers are wrong it's actually closer to 9500 which is way less than the flu. I can tell you are watching TV/News.

[@tlf3757]

@@EEEBA1 Perhaps you should cite your sources. Every other statistic out there tells a very different story. I had family and friends contract this virus and it was very definitely NOT like the flu.

[@lauriekerze3461]

My mother is 86, has autoimmune. However social life is her saving grace, she thrives. I say go mom, otherwise she would die from being alone. She will mask, but quality of life is where it's at.

[@janicelgo4522]

The key....she's wearing a mask.

[@kathleengivant-taylor2277]

I agree. Use common sense . Loneliness will kill millions of people.

[@chrisb1975]

I have a 98yr old great uncle and his sister my great aunt 94yr old that came and saw me after I tried to distance. They only get to see us younger family members (in our 40's BTW) once a year and they were not going to take no as an answer. They talked about how their parents faced Spanish flu and they did not go this nuts with lockdowns etc. (their words not mine). They made it crystal clear that they fully understand the risks and that they are choosing to live life on their terms. Their feeling is that they only have a few years left, and they are going to spend as much time seeing their family and living life as fully as they can. I will grant them this...they are rather healthy for two people approaching 100. Its also fortunate that they live in a rural area.

[@knittingdoula]

If we cannot listen to the wisdom of our aunties and uncles, then we are lost.

[@afacetiousguy]

Nice on them! Can u imagine in your mind...they where born seeing prop planes flying....then they saw us landing on the moon...awesome to live in those days...and hopefully they still alive to see us colonize the moon and mars....very exciting times we living in. Corona virus...shish..

[@mweinheim7911]

My parents are 90 and 91. They are both in excellent health and follow the masking guidelines. All visitors are welcome:-) I live within driving distances but in a different state. I continue to see them even six weeks. When I try to maintain 6 feet social distance, my Dad laughs and gives me a hug. Their attitude is that they have lived a long, blessed life and are not going to restrict seeing family because of Covid. Let me add they have a very well written Advance Directive so no vent for them if they get it.

[@Marg1312]

knittingdoula amen.

[@Godlim17]

To be fair though, in the spanish flu if you didn't wear a mask you went to jail... So, they definitely tried to lockdown in some ways.

[@xhynetuseinovski]

I'm a nurse on a COVID floor and this interview provided a lot of useful information. Glad I found this video and your channel!

[@hbishop8475]

Idk what it is about Dr. Gandhi.... but she just draws me. I so enjoyed the last interview with her, and this one just as much. Thanks!

[@evooke7070]

Thank you. Finally a really good well-balanced, non fear based interview about this virus. I've been struggling with the worst anxiety of my entire life with GAD and its been terrible. Isolation and not interacting with friends/people ans feeling alone and hopelessness has crippled me.

[@lilmsdrama1]

You know, there actually are a good number of children thriving in remote schooling that were ignored academically before. My 8th grader has taken total control of his education and every one of his grades are 90 and above. He's learned to speak up for himself with his teachers which he was timid to do before. My 3rd grader is also learning to communicate with her teacher when there is an issue. Just today she was unable to get into a test she was required to take today and it was actually the teacher who insisted she was doing everything wrong. IT got involved and the teacher was the one instructing incorrectly. She's learning that people in power tend to insist they're always right even when proven wrong, a hard lesson for most of us to learn when the stakes are much higher than 3rd grade TAKKS tests. As for me, I've actually had MORE performing opportunities over Zoom than I've ever had. I've met people from all across the country that I wouldn't have been able to due to my own financial status and the fact that I can't take off to perform across the country because I don't have sitters available for my children. My husband is a trucker, it would be necessary. Not only has it opened up opportunities for my own performances, podcasts, and creative endeavors, but my husband has even started voiceover work on his own. People are having positive experiences with schools and Zoom throughout this. Creativity is abounding, attempting to help entertain and connect us all together. I think of all the options we have now and I wonder how our great grandparents fared during the OG flu pandemic. I'll bet their ghosts would be appalled that we're whining that Zoom is too impersonal compared to what they had to deal with.

[@Soldier_Sean]

Yea let's see how you and your family thrive after mandated vaccines. God forbid anything bad happens but if you can see the pattern, then you'd know there's really nothing to be optimistic about. You have a miopic view of the situation but God bless you.

[@lilmsdrama1]

@@Soldier_Sean those were certainly all words.

[@klarity1111]

Many children have thrived in home schooling enviroments that their parents set up long before Covid happened.

[@mkknight9619]

My husband works directly with covid pts and our household is still negative. Some of my ignorant siblings who lived or visited my 85 year old mother did not wear a mask and brought visitors in and out of her home. I didn’t visit my mother since last year and when I picked her up I had a N95 and surgical mask on. In the ER I sat on her stretcher for over 8 hrs in a jumpsuit which I discarded when I left the ER later that night. My mother is no longer with us and now they want to wear a mask. SMH. This was late March early April when we were loosing 600 to 800 people per day. I even gave my mother a bed bath in a N95 mask and plastic gown before they told me no visitors. I took a test later that week and was negative. N95 worked for us. My husband wears a simple surgical mask when he commutes to and from work on the public bus. So far so good.

[@tonyawestphal6409]

We LOVE you guys !!! thank you for what you do! CAN YOU guys please also talk about good health as prevention?? I have been exposed multiple times and not gotten sick and I KNOW underlying good health practices like sleep, IF, low suger intake, Vit D? help a ton. GREAT JOB MONICA FOR COLLECTING DATA AND DOING STUDIES !! hopefully we can put this information into practice What can we do besides sharing this info?

[@aprboone1]

You are becoming a radical Z. Right on. Helping the poor helps all society. Thank you for this conversation.

[@BeyandEstrella]

I think you should invite Dr. Osterholm via Zoom. I'd like to see that discussion, and it seems to me that if you want to bring someone to a lower strata of fear, you have to go where they feel safe first to have a discussion.

[@monykalynf3604]

@ecwaufisxtreme wait are you the troll who has the list of "debunked" scientists a mile long? Including scientists who have earned many awards and accolades among their peers and their research has led to breakthroughs that have saved lives? But ONLY ONE MAN KNOWS ALLLLLLLLLLLL THE ANSWERS! dude-go to china where you clearly will toe whatever party line they tell you lol

[@patmonahan6844]

@ecwaufisxtreme Except that he hasn't. He isn't even a formal science scientist. He is a social scientist. Osterholm has been incredibly wrong on every projection he has ever made. He said Minnesota would have 50,000 deaths even with lock downs. He is only only off by a multiple of 25X. He has no credibility in the medical world. BTW, his prediction would have Sweden losing 130,000 people. He is only wrong by a multiple of 22X there. You are an ignorant human being if you believe SEIR modeling and what Osterholm says. Get back with one prediction he ever made that wasn't wrong by a multiple of ten to twenty five.

[@cameronvincent7570]

@ecwaufisxtreme Lol... I love how comments from you always appear whenever a video or comment mentions Osterholm. Do you have enough room at Gitmo for all those quacks? Since the lockdowns in the US have proven that the Constitution's 5th and 14th amendments are irrelevant, we might as well expand Gitmo for all the new prisoners.

[@saramoore6850]

@ecwaufisxtreme Feigl Ding is a nutritionist who couldn’t even become a Doctor lol

[@ryhisner]

How has "not living in fear" worked out over the past 14 months? I can't believe I just heard the word "casedemic" come out of a doctor's mouth in October of 2020. On October 11, 2020, there had been about 215,000 Covid deaths in the US. Now there have been over 800,000. Great work, Z Dogg.

[@rachelhilberath3349]

I am one of those viewers that subscribed to his fb group because Dr Z eased my anxiety with his rational information

[@davidyule3605]

What a beautiful ending! Dr. Gandhi, thank you so much! 🙏🏼💖

[@ZDoggMD]

She is truly a lovely human being.

[@drmartinyoung3761]

Great talk as always - Zubin, you refer to confirmation bias a couple of times. It would be very interesting for your viewers to see you interview a guest with similar expertise as your other guests, but who has been infected with Covid19, or who has suffered a ‘direct hit’ in some way? That would create a whole different perspective, would it not?

[@5Parkmans]

So good! I loved your first interview with Dr Gandhi and loved this one even more!

[@dan8402]

This is so awesome to have Monica back!!! The number of people I see living in complete paranoia is unnerving. I mean they are wound up so tight. It is unhealthy.

[@SassyColbyAutumnZ]

THIS!!!!!! More people need to hear this. Unfortunately many won't understand it :/

[@helloagain1499]

Omg I love this woman this is what I have been yelling at the radio for months

[@namelessjuan4696]

I dont mind wearing mask, the one that pissed me off with this whole pandemic is the never ending lockdown and quarantine protocols. Let me go out and be with my loves ones for damn sake...

[@VinayakSwaroop5]

yeah same here. Lockdowns dont work, but masks can help us open up society and bridge the gap till vaccine

[@metal87power]

Masks piss me as much as a lockdown. Esp. outside.

[@metal87power]

@@VinayakSwaroop5 vaccine will never come

[@jeffd6465]

Yes! Been looking forward to this all day.

[@Jacobvelez99]

Be Strong and Courageous don’t be afraid or discouraged for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go Joshua 1:9

[@danaorme7827]

I thought her story about the hygienists vs. contagionists was interesting b/c it’s similar to what’s happening today-even though it happened almost 200 years ago! The effects of lock-down has its own consequences.

[@subtlefeatures1087]

Yeah there is a difference ey. There is a difference between those who simply don’t give a fck and those who are controlled.

[@pooyakazemi]

Maybe it was mentioned and I missed it. Is there any evidence Cloth masks do anything? Or is it just surgical masks/N95 we need for the reduced viral load. There is studies showing that cloth masks can actually worsen things.

[@turbokid8719]

Their last video says no just reduce the dosage you get from a viral load but does prevent you from spreading it

[@SassyColbyAutumnZ]

I am one of those anxious people who listens to you lol. Thank you for easing my fears and putting thing in perspective.

[@skapur]

Have you ever thought of using the analogy of adding yeast to dough? The more you add, the faster it rises and the more it eats the dough. If you add too little, it may never rise, die out and eats the dough very little. Not all microbes act the same way on dough. It might make it easier to explain to a lay audience.

[@marie-laure.]

Well said, that's also why spreading without constricting the virus could be far worse than any other scenario

[@MaraJadeTX]

I visit friends and family more often now than I did pre- Covid. I realized how much I took for granted that we *could visit.

[@sandylewis8897]

Please sign Dr. Bhattacharya's Great Barrington Declaration today!!

[@kerri404]

I really enjoy listening to Monica.

[@cldamp]

Loved this interview as much as my heated seats😉

[@kevinjohnson2291]

@Marie Brown He was paraphrasing something a comedian (Bill Burr) had said, for what it's worth.

[@nerdygrl647]

I can totally relate to the "strataosphere" too!! I can't hang out with my friends who are still afraid and COVID is all they want to talk about. I've weaned myself off of non work Zoom meeting a few months ago and it felt great! Before, any time I did a Zoom meeting with friends, I would end up depressed and restless.

[@ZegaracRobert]

Great very grounded interview! Everyone should especially local government and health depts. that decide on type of action...

[@KTplease]

I could listen to you two for hours! Thank you! ❤️

[@billjoyce5103]

I respect all your preachings and thoughts on this. I myself am not at risk but 3 people I live with are. One has an autoimmune disease so bad that the flu sometimes puts her in the hospital, one has diabetes, one has severe lung issues and is on oxygen 24/7. How concerned should I be when going about my daily life? I play golf, I go shopping, I jog outside, but I’m concerned going anywhere in a crowd or to a friends party I will get it asymptomatically and spread it to them. I am in the NY area

[@deniseschaefer8096]

I understand your concern, I live with my son who is 19 but has asthma, scarring in his lungs from a bad bout of pneumonia almost 2 years ago, he's on immunosuppressants for severe crohn's and he has cardiac issues. I have one daughter that goes to school in person but she mostly stays in our camper, she's a junior, she wears a mask when she's in the house. My youngest is virtual this school year, she started out in school and requested to go virtual. Their pediatrician recommended that both my girls be virtual due to my son's health but my older daughter needs the social interaction from her in school. My son is a senior this year, having missed lots of school due to being ill over the years but he is always online schooled with a tutor due to his health and low energy levels. My youngest takes riding lessons so she does an outside activity with her friends at the barn. My son has been hesitant to spend time with his friends who are in college. It's definitely changed our way of life...

[@mallorycoleman1]

This conversation

[@peterluu3114]

Thanks for bringing up Anders Tegnell tattoos! I'm sure one day people will get tattoos of you if they haven't already!

[@ricardoallende2597]

I love this doctor!

[@musicismagic3001]

When did knowledge...education...and concern become FEAR???

[@keithb857]

Knowledge isn’t being used by the ones who want everything shut down.

[@dankennedy4364]

Outstanding conversation!

[@susansmart8086]

I don’t have a fear of mortality; what I have a fear of is the consequence of extreme morbidity. I live in an area with large organized groups publicly protesting against masks and social distancing, others stating that it’s my body and I choose not to follow guidlines. If you don’t like me behaving this way, then you should just stay home, so I am. I don’t live in an area where I can get food deliveries, so that’s not an option, but I have cut down on the number of grocery trips I make and don’t eat out at all.

[@dashnja.9202]

She said your mask protects you. Add your own careful distancing while you are out and you can move around.

[@marie-laure.]

I agree with your statement. I do not even fear dying from this virus, but I do believe that spreading it willy nilly is likely to have consequences that we do not want. It's not about fear of the virus is about taking appropriate measures to make it disappear from circulation, by sharing it we empower it (it mutates and adapts to survive in its environnement). And yes gatherings indoors at the moment is complete nonsense, we don't know how it will evolve, we don't know whether it will increase mortality for the years to come but we do know how to stop it, masks, tests and isolation of contagious ppl. It's not that complicated for Pete sake

[@mballer]

@@marie-laure. You don't know how to stop it unless you forcibly lock everyone up.

[@terrykeith5206]

@@marie-laure. Most things get weaker over time viruses included. Wear masks and physically distance and open the world back up. Look at the other countries for information and learn from them.

[@terrykeith5206]

@@dashnja.9202 yup..anything you put in front of your nose or mouth will help

[@cindybogart6062]

Thanks for this great video. Helped me look @ the crazy world in an extremely different way. Love the strata- of- fear. I will look @ my social contacts that way. ⚜️

[@drdirt505]

Hello Dr Z and Dr Gandhi! I was hoping you would comment on the Great Barrington Declaration. It looks like Dr Bhattacharya et al. are taking a lot of heat for this entirely reasonable proposal. The timing of the WHO announcement about NOT using lockdowns as a means of viral control was interesting. BTW, thank you for posting these videos. Game-changer for me.

[@claireh457]

Couldn’t churches open up with masking?

[@lucid118]

If they can hold services outside

[@secoramurray2607]

What a great and reasonable conversation. Thank you for producing such wonderful content.

[@Weathernerd27]

The why would you test argument is a very good one. In my line of work if they find out you got a test you may have to sit at home for 2 weeks even if the test result is negative. Missing 2 weeks of pay is a big thing so people don't get tested. Many people are going to see their relatives for the holidays but if work asks where they went they will lie and say they didn't go anywhere for the holidays.

[@saudade2100]

I remember the NEJM article declaring the end of smallpox in the late 1970’s, when I was a medical student. Brought it up to microbiology prof. “Did you read, they said smallpox wiped out.” His response: “HAH !!”

[@TheGneissgirl]

How do I decide how to handle the holidays with family??

[@kathleenkilpatrick145]

Our Watsonville community never totally shut down. Farm workers and others who grow our food kept going to work and home to crowded houses. Yes, it’s blowing through our community, and we have excess deaths compared to the rest of our more affluent county. Yes, kids are suffering from school on Zoom, no parents at home to help. Our senior neighborhood is still locked down. Just had a nursing home outbreak, many deaths. We need relief and resources. Who will structure these? Who will pay the price?

[@epicenter800]

Another awesome vid doc. Thanks keeping us woke

[@turbokid8719]

😂

[@thebeccarobins]

Can you please just send this link to Gov Newsom?

[@RyanHellyer]

Thanks for some level headed analysis.

[@Docinaplane]

Why did those in influential positions like the media and individuals do everything they could to raise the level of fear in people?

[@samanthanewton1340]

They think they're controlling the spread of the virus by keeping people afraid.

[@felixcat9455]

Samantha Newton agreed but I also just think that is the nature of news these days especially. The news is very sensationalized. The gloom and doom brings in the viewers.

[@GertvandenBerg]

Whatever gets the clicks...

[@henrylicious]

Because if people are at home they have a captive audience.

[@rwil6969]

Genuine question. If getting infected doesn’t provide sterilising immunity how does herd immunity stop COVID-19? I have heard from other virologists on KZbin that natural immunity or immunity via vaccine probably won’t stop you getting or spreading the disease but probably will prevent or reduce how sick you get.

[@monykalynf3604]

What virologists say vaccine or natural immunity won't stop spread?

[@rwil6969]

monykalyn f have been watching TWIV This Week in Virology. They speculate that a vaccine or natural immunity won’t be sterilising I.e. stop you getting or transmitting the virus SARS-COV2. It is likely to reduce or stop the impact to COVID-19 which is disease you get from the virus. The speculate that you can get immunity from getting COVID-19 i.e. stop the disease but still get the virus and pass it on. If this is the case they can indicate that we all will need to either get vaccinated or get and survive the disease (COVID-19) to build immunity so they disease itself will not have kill or negatively impact it. Again they speculate that even if you have got natural immunity by surviving the disease you could still get the virus, replicate it and pass it on. I have emailed them to see if they would explain this further as if true this would explain why a lot of medical experts don’t think herd immunity is a feasible way of stopping this virus and why masks may be very important by helping reduce the spread of the virus even if we have immunity against the disease. I could be completely wrong in my understanding of what they have speculated and they keep on qualifying there theories with there isn’t enough evidence either way.

[@amygregg1658]

joe Thomas Yes. I’ve been listening to TWIV too. I had the same thought.

[@rwil6969]

Amy Gregg I think there is more to it. Looks like there are other immune responses like mucosal immune response that may stop the virus itself in your upper respiratory tract. I just think this is just not known or being tested. None of this is adding up to me but hey I’m no expert here. I certainly hope that we can get immunity that stops transmission as well!!!

[@davidfayfield5773]

What about the fact that the people who are dying are mostly poor?

[@user-ladyJ]

She is such a beautiful person ❤️

[@thecrazyandthewild]

Thanks, guys!!!!

[@cathharr08]

As an RN it drives me insane when I see people wearing their PPE masks BELOW their noses. That renders the mask useless. U are still able to breathe in the droplet nuclei from a cough, sneeze, or nose blow. This is why I love educating people about their health etc....so many misconceptions.

[@thomashaas5965]

Kind of unrelated to the video but I am asking people who have been diagnosed with Covid if this has been their experience because I think Covid might have been spreading significantly earlier than whats been said. So anyway, last October was the last time I got sick. It was a nasty illness that I just thought was a really bad cold but with different symptoms. Unlike any cold I've ever had before, I had lung pain with this one. This was also the first RESPIRATORY symptom. It was one of the few times that I was miserable enough to buy DayQuil. I've never been one to buy DayQuil lol I experienced headache and fatigue before the onset of my respiratory symptoms. I work at VZW and I worked at the store in Mequon, WI at the time...an affluent area with A LOT of international travel. Talking made me exhausted...like winded. Not severely...but enough to be miserable. I was sick for about 8 days and then Day 9 I felt fine and then on Day 10 I experienced intense nausea and chills. This lasted but improved over the next couple of days and by Day 14 for sure I was perfectly fine again. There was no pandemic at the time so I didn't pay attention to my temperature at any point during my illness. I wonder what the odds are that was Covid. It sure SOUNDS like it. Another thing...my best friend's sister had Covid and infected everybody except my best friend. I know that during the course of MY illness, I hung out with him, maybe even twice and I don't remember if he became sick himself. Remember that this was still the old normal where we lived our normal lives through sickness and toughed it out. Its just interesting that he was the one to not get infected when the whole rest of his family did and HE of course had close ties with ME. Thoughts? Has this been someone else's experience?

[@tlf3757]

My sister and her husband contracted something in December that was unlike anything they had ever experienced before.... they are convinced they had Covid, based on what we now know. I have heard other people say similar things, so you aren't alone in your thinking.

[@thomashaas5965]

@@tlf3757 thank you for sharing. Other people have said similar things to ME around that time.

[@monykalynf3604]

I was sick like that all last december, have asthma. Actually started in October with colds off /on (traveled to Orlando late september from midwest). December it kicked into high gear though, no taste/smell, cough all the time, hurt to breathe etc, along with fatigue. when I finally went to Dr she said "immune system in overdrive" and gave me steroids to "calm it down". Finally started feeling better. Mild fever off/on. No one around me got that sick though, and since i work in healthcare would wear a mask at work (even if wasn't symptomatic that day-just as a precaution). Antibodies in June negative. Dr in the family (in another state) said he saw more severely ill with viruses in december this past year than several recent years combined. Maybe not this particular virus, but you gotta wonder if is enough to spark some immunity to SARS-Cov 2.

[@thomashaas5965]

@@monykalynf3604 my respiratory symptoms began a year ago today. All I know was that was unlike anything I've ever experienced before. Because Covid wasn't yet even a thought, I didn't pay attention to fever. I think my taste/smell may have been altered to some degree but I don't remember it being gone. I remember nothing tasting GREAT but that's what typically happens to me with a respiratory virus. I don't remember it being COMPLETELY gone. My antibody test, also in June, was negative BUT antibodies go away within a few months so that means nothing.

[@jmburko]

Fabulous! Thank you both!! So much!! 💗💗💗💗👍👍

[@jeannemiller5962]

I totally relate to the, "strata of fear"...

[@rwil6969]

Only Victoria in Australia has mandated mask usage. It is the state with the highest community transmission and deaths. The other big state where it is recommended if you cannot social distance only a small percentage of people use masks. Our other states don’t recommend masks and essentially it’s up to you if you want to wear one. The thing that has massively reduced flu is hand hygiene, social distancing, working from home and the great percentage of people not using public transport. As soon as we mingle we are definitely getting colds and flus we are just not widely spreading it because we are not mingling to often. Self isolating when getting the mildest cold/flu symptoms has been super effective. I am supportive of mask usage but I don’t know about universal mask wearing

[@Kenai2008]

Hey Doc Z. another good listen. I am wondering your thoughts on the Great Barrington Declaration? Are these people in your "Stratos-fear"? :)

[@Ben-yw8be]

Very intelligent discussion! Thank you!

[@MegaMindyLou]

No one has talked about this, if you’ve had covi, do you still have to wear a mask? The president has fast tracked his experience and I’m a little surprised at how quick he recovered. Will he have to wear a mask?

[@alteredendeavor]

I appreciate Monica's honesty. While I really think the data on masking is flimsy (See the CDC survey I sent you on Twitter), I really like that she is willing to entertain everything in order to get people back to their lives. I really, really love the optimism and positive vibes she gives off.

[@davidyule3605]

This is encouraging. Thank you!

[@annkrzmarzick9941]

Love this conversation and how it ended. TY ❤️❤️❤️

[@belinda-janekent-brown4494]

I have been in solitary lock down since 27March. I have an autoimmune disease which may have caused multiple pulmonary emboli.I am also insulin resistant. To cut a long story short the only thing I could change is the obesity.I went cold turkey and have no sugar and carbs. I feel amazing. I am stuck very worried about how I have made my immune system "unfit"through lack of exposure to the normal pathogens of everyday life. Where do I begin my immune fitness regime. I am 73 with a zest for life?

[@dashnja.9202]

Such a good conversation

[@monad2592]

You shouting at a person entering the airplane without a mash two hours late dinner is served and everybody is taking his mask and eating. 🥺 people are losing their critical thinking

[@ellenhunt8767]

I've noticed. and I have asked a similar question about restaurants several times now. Can't get an answer. But I really shouldn't be surprised. I haven't confirmed this yet, but I heard from my family earlier that apparently, Newsom just decided that to eat in a restaurant you have to put your mask on in between bites.

[@BigIdeaSeeker]

Ellen Hunt Nonsense. I’ve eaten in numerous restaurants in different cities in CA. One wears a mask to the table and removed it upon sitting or ordering. Wearing a mask until one sits down makes perfect sense as one is moving through the restaurant. Yet people continue to ridicule this simple fundamental practice.

[@ellenhunt8767]

​@@BigIdeaSeeker ....ok, but between bites? ya see the safetyism here...

[@BigIdeaSeeker]

Ellen Hunt So I think the better way to put this is Newsom - or a staff member- off-handedly recommended wearing a mask between bites. There was never any CA mandate or demand to do so or statement that one *has to do so. Your family member either doesn’t understand or misled you.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

It's about reducing the amount of viral load (the inoculum) that you receive. Increase the amount of time you are wearing the mask = lessens the viral load you receive. Simple. The theory is your case of covid will be less severe because your viral load is low. Keep your mask on as much as possible. Better yet, refuse the meal, keep your mask on, and reduce your exposure by about 50% while those around you eat.

[@ChadwickVonGriffindorIII]

Does being infected and asymptomatic mean that you can be a spreader and no know it? What time frame should one assume that they're potentially a carrier after testing positive and recovering? How long after infection would one become negative?

[@danaorme7827]

Yes, if you tested positive you can most assuredly be a spreader. Contact tracing is figuring out when you may have been exposed, then testing positive. You need to stay quarantined for at least 14 days from a positive test and while being asymptomatic. Talk to your Dr., do a telehealth appointment.

[@thatswhatisaidCA]

I can answer #1. Yes, you can be a spreader without knowing it. (You can't say how long you're infectious if you don't know when you got it.)

[@attackscorpion5323]

I’m curious if “hospitalization rates” has a specific definition. If a person gets a little sick from covid and they go to the hospital, is that consider in the hospitalization rate? Hospitalization rate seems like it’s very serious, but some people go to the hospital any time they get sick.

[@damien2198]

I am amazed so few are talking about the real epidemy of comorbidity/metabolic syndrome/obesity which make COVID so much worst

[@mballer]

I would bet the odds are those people with comorbidities have the same doctors who don't treat covid early.

[@jasonh396]

‘Eh? You haven’t seen any info about obesity? Seriously?

[@terrykeith5206]

I have been talking about the general health of societies since the first case of the virus was announced. Too many people use bandaid solutions to temporarily solve issues. Listen to the symptoms your body is telling or showing you and find the root cause and change it.

[@mballer]

@@jasonh396 I heard Chris Christy just got out of the hospital. Does that count?

[@felixcat9455]

Everytime I listen to Osterholm I get depressed. Like you said he is gloom and doom.

[@Hakuthemonk]

i love this channel so much

[@matthewrogowski8526]

I do medical case management. I lost 2 clients. One with PTSD to a drug overdose and another with a TBI via suicide due to the social isolation the lockdowns are causing. The harm is worse than the benefit with lockdown.

[@palkoman]

actually death rates were higher in some of europe & biggest death toll in us was in a few dem states early on when covid were sent to nursing homes & us is "federal" system where states make many of these decisions

[@sherimceachran1987]

I really love your intelligent guests and shows. And I would agree that living in fear and isolation is not healthy. On the other hand we just lost another friend to Covid-9 days ago. He reached hundreds of people with an on-line Kundalini yoga class that was offered for free to the public to (ironically) help others cope with Covid. He was previously healthy and 68 and followed safe practices. His loss devastated his community of family, friends and students. My husband (who has pre-existing conditions) and I are in the vulnerable age group (60 and above) We don’t want to live in fear either but we live in a RightWing “red” area that has -a majority of “anti-mask -it’s a hoax” citizens. We believe people need to work however not sure moving forward in a safe and sane way is possible without requiring masks. We are grateful for the businesses and medical facilities that require masks and don’t believe that 80% of the people in our area would choose to wear masks based on reason/concern alone. We often hear the opposite-hence the reason it has become politicized. The pressure to wear masks is not just coming from elitism. I was a teacher who worked with vulnerable populations. I believe in working together for public health and economic well-being. Thank you for your show.

[@eriknore8270]

Can u do a video on reinfections?

[@michaelandreas2177]

Here's a link to Michael Osterholm's comments on this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWnbZX6Oephqrc0. I myself heard specific criticisms but did not hear any ad hominems.

[@claytonrodgers1609]

I agree, this should be a discussion that plays out in data gathered. I don't think there is as much of a gap between the positions of Dr Gandhi and Michael Osterholm as is being presented. All are advocating the same basics - masks with distance. This is not living in fear but living with precautions. I would even add, if you live in a population that doesn't mask, adding basic eye protection should be considered as well.

[@Floccini]

If the evidence gets strong enough, should we push for testing variolation?

[@deniseb2571]

Phenomenal woman. 💗

[@maxpeterson8616]

I'm usually a ZDogg fan, but this did not age well.

[@eriknore8270]

“The prophet of doom and fear” I couldn’t say it better

[@cathysulyk1906]

Where is your video on herd immunity ?

[@Miathecutieakablueberry]

beautiful message!! 💕✨

[@debbiewilson3008]

Yes!!

[@vladimirbarayev162]

Hey zdogg, at 16 minutes into the video, I think you are using an ad hominem with Dr Osterholm. Having a scientific opinion from an MD or PhD does not make it better or worse, just different. Dr Gandhi was very professional and gracious with her response not attacking anyone personally but pointing to her understanding of the epi. data.

[@boblossie3192]

I am no a doctor.... Nor do I play one on TV..... I don't even play one on KZbin! But what worries me about "making the choice" to be around the people that carry YOUR same level of caution is that it's GROSSLY UNFAIR TO THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY! If masses of people say they want to go to bars and sports and what not and "CHOOSE" not to wear a mask - they are likely to get sick and they WILL EXPECT to have the RIGHT to go to a hospital and wine to the professional there "Save me and make me well again." That person has chosen to put the lives of the medical professionals at RISK - to not only get sick by taking care of them, but the possibility that they may DIE taking care of those masses that "chose" not to wear a mask ! ! ! It's the absolute ultimate of selfishness.

[@monykalynf3604]

So should Obese who eat poorly feel the same way? THEY are taking resources to take care of their heart attacks, blood pressure, and disability by not taking care of themselves? Be VERY careful with the virtue signaling and deciding WHO should get care based on lifestyle choices. VERY careful. Take a LONG look in the mirror and be honest on what YOU could be judged for.

[@boblossie3192]

@@monykalynf3604 I'm very big on personal accountability. I personally eat a very clean diet and exercise. 65 years old and have no medical issues and have never taken medications for long term treatments. BUT doctors and nurses don't catch deadly heart attacks when overweight people pour into hospitals having heart attacks.,

[@jstatoi3235]

Rapid tests are on the market to regular Joe’s now, but unfortunately they are still costly. If people could test themselves daily, they could take responsibility for their health and it would enable families and groups to gather and work without the fear and uncertainty of being exposed by asymptomatic carriers or those in the early infectious stages.

[@davidfayfield5773]

Why not do direct covid exposure testing ?

[@TK-cz9oq]

I see so many wearing a mask only over the mouth and unwilling to place it over their nose. Does that negate all benefit from wearing masks?

[@stevenmessina3077]

Life Insurance application - #5 Where you ever diagnosed with Sars-COV2? - if they think it is a risk, and refuse underwriting policy then Doctor, you know damned well there is a serious health risk Actuarily to infection

[@NoChicanery]

Less death and sickness now because the most vulnerable have already died last Spring. These two are living in a fantasy world. Better to listen to Ivor Cummins.

[@MalikaBourne]

This video is excellent. What you both said in this video is perfect to review after a more recent video on Iceland where I commented on an appropriate comment that triggered me. I felt some nice intelligent people point a judgemental finger at certain cultures with high obesity and comorbidities. I asked if you DR ZDoggMD could please weigh in on the one-size-fits-all solution. People in some areas of the country are at a disadvantage for example in crowded environments with poor access to the healthiest support systems. Preaching at them to stop being obese is not going to help anyone. So, I rewatched this video 2 more times. I like your attitude.

[@sarahp7206]

Beautiful.

[@narelleworks8448]

I went into a chemist (pharmacy) and spoke to another couple. She was happy with his buying her perfume. I grinned at her saying she was a very lucky girl. Then I realised she couldn’t see my face because of the mask. She said “Oh I could tell by your eyes.” Funny that. She didn’t have a mask on. Can you please learn from the isolation that what it does to people to “save” them is what it does to those isolated by illness, disability, age and who knows what else. I noticed my usual groceries harder to get but my isolation is the same. But big deal. Who cares. I’m nearly 60 so why does my need to be useful, have enough to buy what I need, be able to get out and about, be useful, interact with people for more than buying an item or consulting medical professionals not be important to my mental and physical health. My world is so much smaller, long before covid. Obviously covid has a lot of work yet to be done on it and it’s a priority.

[@Asptuber]

That thing about smiling while wearing a mask - I actually experienced this today. With a dog! I was waiting in line in my very small neighbourhood grocery store when a lady popped in with her dog (dogs not normally allowed, but other dog outside so for some reason she couldn't leave those two together) to just get some cigarettes. The dog was looking very discombobulated at being in such a weird (and forbidden!) environment, looking around curiously. So I smiled at it, totally forgetting that I was wearing a mask. And the dog looked back at me and cocked its head, just like dogs often do when you smile at them. So even dogs can tell a smile from behind a mask.