A Weird Liquide Smoke Machine for Filmmakers and Photographers

[@UncleJessy]

Omg i need one of those smoke genie machines for my 3D Printing videos

[@MathieuStern]

I think they would be very happy to send you one ! Thous would look epic on your prints reveals !

[@GeraldBertramPhotography]

I'd love to play around with this but for what it is the cost is a bit prohibitive at least for what I would be able to do with it. Very cool device though! A bit different from your standard vape as the smoke doesn't dissipate as fast. I imagine the device must cool down the smoke to achieve that.

[@MathieuStern]

I never used a Vape but i a pretty sure you can't create liquide smoke with it.

[@larsouille366]

@@MathieuStern I'm pretty sure it's possible. I looked at the elements of the product on their website and the atomizer is clearly a copy of a standard smoking/vape atomizer. And there is no description of the components of the liquid but I'm pretty sure it is close to 100% VG (vegetal glycerine). My bet: an e-cig for power vape (+ custom firmware) + 100% VG + a fan = the smokegenie for a fraction of the price

[@AaronsLyfe]

@@MathieuStern It's all about the temp of the PG/VG aka fog juice. An ecig is the same principle just doesn't have a long nozzle which allows the vapor to condense back down due to cooling. I used to make fog curtains for some shows where I'd run the output of a fog machine through a cooler before exhausting it from above. Same effect just on a much larger scale. The key is getting the fog at or below room temps. I've been wondering when someone would make one of these and now I suspect we might see more hit the market at a much lower price

[@MathieuStern]

@@AaronsLyfe thanks for the explanation, indeed it seems this could be reproduced even for bigger machines !

[@pmi_gear]

@@larsouille366 hey, thanks for making your guesses on how you may create a similar functionality for SmokeGENIE! Normal vapes can not create smoke for any longer than 5-10 seconds. They will overheat and you need to replace the heating coil. Our chamber is designed so that you can do a continuous run over 5 minutes, which suits the needs of filmmakers more. We actually came from the background of FX, so we know quite a bit about modifying vape technology….the genie is definitely not a modified toy. Our vision for the genie is for intense productions where reliability is key! To be able to save time cost for down time /maintenance is what makes the price for the machine. The genie is currently involved in a lot of movie productions in Hong Kong, Hope that helps you put it into context!

[@MicaelWidell]

Wow I want one! Does the smoke leave any residue or make surfaces sticky afterwards? Or does it 100% completely disappear into the air?

[@MathieuStern]

it will leave a residue on glass and cold surface like stone and metal, but only if you do the liquide smoke option, it's very easy to clean with soap and water. I had a residue on the glass floor when i shot the zombie toy, but after 2 seconds under hot water it was gone.

[@Beatsy]

Actually looks quite handy if you need the effect. For tabletop stuff, I just use my normal vape. Fill a plastic bag with a dense cloud and then let the "smoke" drop out from a cut-off corner (don't squeeze the bag, that will disperse the vapour too fast). The clouds pool up and flow if the air is still and they waft around if it isn't. Can't do the volume this unit does, but I haven't needed that for smaller scale things.

[@MathieuStern]

thats a cool trick !

[@SpeedKing..]

vape makes me cringe

[@pmi_gear]

Hey Mathieu! We are so happy to hear your very kind words and know that you are excited for our product! Empowering filmmakers and independent creators is what we strive for. Can't wait to see your future work using the SmokeGENIE!

[@MathieuStern]

Thanks again!

[@sheldonnorton9035]

I can’t tell if it will do an even spread in a room. Can it? Like perfectly even haze once fanned around traditionally. All the wisp is for over the top candy shots. We need even spread for cinematography.

[@MathieuStern]

If you use the Fan it should fog up the room like in the examples in the video

[@pmi_gear]

Hey Sheldon! Yes our machine can do even spreads. We have been involved in quite a number of commercial productions (MV, films) just for haze. You can see the results on our website!

[@jabba359]

Looking at these comments about how $400-500 is overpriced, but then saw the latest update says kits will retail for closer to $800-900. While I don't doubt it's well constructed, that's completely insane. I don't expect many will sell at that price and will be quickly undercut by the competition that do a better job balancing the price to quality ratio. I'm already eyeing the MicroFogger 3 Pro with tank upgrade for about 1/3 of the price. It might not be quite as fancy, but I seriously doubt the SmokeGenie is 3x better. (Obviously the price critique is not directed at you Mathieu, since it's not your product. Just sharing my thoughts on it in general.)

[@Caldoyel]

Thank you! I have been looking for something like this for months!

[@odin6647]

Looks like a modified vape that has a fan to push air through the coils, cool idea.

[@idabe170]

lol

[@brooksysdead]

Literally all it is lol. It's reservist a mod with a tank and an internal blower is the only thing that separates it from what I been using for my nicotine habit since 2012 lol

[@MetalDEmpire]

@@brooksysdead same

[@vaidehiarts]

This is superb! Thank you for demonstrating this. I did have a few questions in mind - Does it smell (I've used a couple machines/tubes that were stinky)? How do you "refill" it and how long does the tube last? And can you get smoke with colours?

[@pmi_gear]

hey Janmejay! Thank you for being Interested! We designed the formula to have it smell odourless and pleasant around models / artists! Many Cinematographers prefer our smell over traditional fog machines. Also, the chamber had a very easy refill system, you can check out more on our website! As for coloured smoke, currently the technology is using fine powder dust to create the colour, so it is still very dangerous (it is difficult to get out of the body once breathed in). So at the point we are not developing that yet. But maybe there will be future technology waiting for us!

[@GregCoonrod]

That looks like a ton of fun!

[@massimilianogadioli9386]

Which kind of material /liquid i need to use for create a bubble of fog (as in your video? I’ve acquired the smokegenie and i’m interesting, please 🙏 share this details with me thanks in advance

[@JacoxNovak]

For the price you can almost get a big haze machine which is a preferred type of atmosphere for films. Though this is way more portable and you don't need an extra assistant.

[@pmi_gear]

Yes, the reason Film Productions in Hong Kong prefer us over traditional Hazers because a lot of shooting locations don't have Power and is too small for Big machines. (Most indoor spaces in Hong Kong is below 1000Sq Feet).

[@KuyaMagik]

Love the video! I just got mine also, review soon!

[@MathieuStern]

I'll check it out!

[@KuyaMagik]

@@MathieuStern its up!

[@lmckay8881]

As always, your video is informative and fun to watch!

[@MathieuStern]

Glad to hear that!

[@Symous1616]

I worked in entertainment business, we just used to make smoke from a normal smoke machine pass through ice, results were very similar.

[@MathieuStern]

was it portable ? was it possible to hide it inside a costume or a prop ?

[@Symous1616]

@@MathieuStern Hi Mathieu, we used to do that trick on theatre and hotel stages. Normally we had smoke machines that needed to be powered by a wall plug of course so not very portable. For a portable version this gadges has to be the best for sure. Otherwise maybe finding a USB smoke machine of some sort. The trick is to have cold smoke, so it stays on the ground.

[@pmi_gear]

@@Symous1616 You'te right! The secret to whether smoke floats our sinks is precisely about temperature. If the smoke is hotter than the atmosphere, it rises. If the smoke is cooler, it sinks. That's why our nozzles are designed to create a cooling effect for the smoke!

[@SteveWB]

Love it such an amazing device!

[@frezeoboy]

Hi ... what’s the cost and is it available in the UK ?

[@nobodycannacrossit9046]

Can you refill it with any kind of smoke liquid?

[@94JAVS]

Awesome product! The results look great :)

[@MathieuStern]

I think so too!

[@tasteinparis7138]

This is just the thing i need for toy photography

[@Khercules]

What camera is that at the end, the one with a waste level viewfinder? Also, super cool device but quite costly.

[@MrSunamo]

Aha, so this is it! How long does 60 ml of the smoke formula last approximately?

[@pmi_gear]

Hey there thanks for asking! 60ml Will last a total of 120minutes of total smoke. We also have a 120ml bottle refills!

[@DJJJ999]

Where get these from?

[@samsen3965]

Well... with all the savings Mathieu has shown to us till now when buying all these vintage lenses, maybe now it's time to spend it all on this smoke machine and "Burn the savings all"!🤔🤔 Very cool indeed.

[@tonyhayes9827]

Cool but whats the liquid made from and how easy s it to access?

[@k1k13004]

that's the problem. I think they're going to make expensive and not really to get so you need to buy a lot at once. But I guess a fog liquid with glycerine will do the trick

[@shadowreaper8895]

looks good, I used to have a cheapo ebay one but my brother kept getting high and mixing it up with his vape

[@XiweiYing]

what happens when you use their liquid in the vosentech unit?

[@Giggler.]

Link to buy please

[@nick3159]

How can buy ?

[@103kamora]

Can i use it like vape?

[@herhepolis7806]

How you get this ? And how much it cost you ??

[@mhaustria]

It looks great. Thanks for this review!! I would love to use it for portrait work. But the safety data sheet reads like it’s not the best idea to use it directly on people. Did you have any side affects?

[@MathieuStern]

It’s safe to use if you keep the smoke from being directly projected in your eyes or mouth

[@pmi_gear]

Our MSDS says it's not good to directly spray because the first puffs of smoke is Hot. The Chemical composition of the formula is Food safe and it's harmless. Hope this helps!

[@mhaustria]

@@pmi_gear Thanks a lot for your answer. It could be interesting for an article in a German photography magazine. I'll ask.

[@asmrcuriositycabinet3143]

This is awesome !!

[@samsen3965]

2:04 Not an S600 Mercedes and not in an underground tunnel but Diablo Red & still in Paris... So why do I see The Queen of Hearts, "Lady Diana" here? (Side Note: The one who did this to her, has corona now... Hope she recovers soon!)

[@igorgryvtsev5543]

What flavor?

[@lShishkaBerryl]

That is an insanely overpriced modified box mod for vaping. Even the refills are overpriced lol, go get a gallon of vegetable glycerin for $40. I will say the different modes are definitely cool, but there's no way on this green earth that thing is worth anywhere near $400. I'd be waiting for Black Friday to roll around again 😆 I do have an extra old box mod, I should try to diy this....

[@MathieuStern]

Please do your mod and let me know if you get similar results, that would make an interesting video :)

[@pmi_gear]

Hey Shishka! Yes, years ago when we started our career as filmmaking FX crew, we have tried modifying Vape for similar results. It makes smoke, but we got really fed up with all the reliability and maintenance issues, that ultimately inspired the development of the SmokeGENIE! We have personally seen Modified Vapes Catch fire and even explode on set. It's a nightmare to use and fix vapes. The main cost of the SmokeGENIE is not actually about the effects, but to build the system rebost enough so it doesn't break on set. Time cost in film productions are very, very expensive. With all that said, we definitely encourage you to try if you are resourceful enough though! It's a cool engineering challenge and maybe you'll get a breakthrough!

[@Indrakusuma_a]

Now those are good responses

[@ziandthecoolthings]

@@pmi_gear What does smoke genie do specifically to ensure that it doesn't catch fire? I was under the impression that the majority of the vape mod fires were caused by a poor bms system and not the attachments on the mod. I love the product but it'll be hard for me to sallow $450 for something that a used vape could do. I do understand the appeal for reliability on a larger set, but for shoe string budget filmmakers where time doesn't always equal money I'm not sure I can justify buying this. Are there any other reasons to pick up a smoke genie over some diy option?

[@anhonestreviewer7015]

@@pmi_gear if you make it cheaper you sell more. If you keep the price high don't expect many buyers. It makes better sense to make your product available to the mass public as opposed to a smaller group of people with higher incomes. That and the fact that you will get better publicity for an affordable device as opposed to an expensive thing that most people won't buy.

[@CedrinMedia]

A photographer and videographer’s dream.

[@samsen3965]

Darkly Cool...😱

[@lucvanmalderen5634]

Nice and handy gear, but extremely expensive :-(

[@Godfather-Taha]

Very good Video 🎉

[@Kayttaja1524]

I made my own with 90W vape and aquarium pump and its way more effective! 10X more smoke!!!!

[@Kayttaja1524]

Aquarium pump 1.50€ vape 20€

[@zanzmeraharsh3778]

Smoke machine buy link

[@dillanfourie3188]

Ahhh yes, mans running the 50 nic strawberry bubblegum cream in there

[@samsen3965]

Cool but very "Dark"!!!

[@RixtronixLAB]

Thanks for sharing, keep it up:)

[@nimmira]

its like those electronic "vape" (or vipe? don't know the name) that is used by smokers (some call it electronic hookah i think?) I remember one time we asked for help from a friend who is a smoker and he smokes these things and we were shooting smokey stuff the poor guy almost went into a coma from breathing in and out (even though he is a heavy smoker) 🤭

[@MathieuStern]

Same technology but way more smart and easy to use without having to be a smoker.

[@qtben17]

I use a vape device and zero nicotine formula, with a straw placed in the chamber “vents”. Instead of sucking air like you would during vape, i push out air and the smoke goes out the straw from the vent. Another variation I do is use a battery powered leaf blower with its air intake vents placed directly to the vaping inlet. Works well

[@nimmira]

@@MathieuStern definitely! (though honestly, it was fun seeing someone getting sick bcoz of the smoke 🤭)

[@alekseyprokopev7409]

Can you vape with this thing?

[@MathieuStern]

you could, but i thinks a vape is cheaper

[@siimernits3581]

So basically a vape :D cool!

[@smoke4131]

Smoke, yes smoke

[@sheriif]

I've been learning how to cook

[@sheriif]

Jokes aside, great video as always! Always introducing us to new things :)

[@sebastien-desmedt]

Top !!!

[@EazyRed]

460$ for a basic kit, and it doesnt come with the battery. wow xD

[@nimbarkcj]

Or maybe i can call my smoker friend to cut the cost 😅😂

[@BrotherOfTheTemplars1312]

People keep saying it's a big vape, fog machine bro.

[@HappySlappyFace]

Gotta find a DIY solution for this

[@Waterlinestudios]

The ulanzi is at better, in price and function

[@MrTrygon]

The price it's a meme!!! Wtf, a vape it's 20 bucks...

[@fatima.a6180]

Expensive 😢

[@iban2118]

Thats cool, but 400? 🤔

[@Aucaria-lz6ek]

Hello! You know speak french ?

[@MathieuStern]

I am French

[@skazhenyj]

Is there anything that's not 'weird' left in this world? ;-)

[@MathieuStern]

Yogurt

[@LPSTUDIOPRODUCTION]

Trop chère, je vais inventer une version moin chère … comme ça les gens pourront bénéficier de quelque chose moin chère …

[@hyperborean2576]

400$ for a vape machine is extremely overpriced

[@94JAVS]

Lol you never bought a vape machine

[@hyperborean2576]

@@94JAVS i did, the good ones cost from 100 to 200$

[@cinemenico]

Vapenationnnnn

[@hidecki]

400$!.... way too expensive. imagine how many units you could sell if you prized it 200-250 ? i guess its too late now. good luck tho

[@MathieuStern]

well maybe they will listen to you !

[@hidecki]

@@MathieuStern i realized you are NOT the creator of this product. didnt know that.

[@k1k13004]

@@hidecki I agree it's too late. It'd be too weird to change the price but yeah I agree, I'd buy one right now at 250

[@bookhouseboy3]

Currently $700 now

[@niyz8526]

500 bcks you kidding right?

[@MathieuStern]

They didn't even realise the product yet, let them have some time to adjust prices. Also I am here to speak about new weird products, some are cheap, some are less cheap.

[@Doncancook180]

Soooooooooo overpriced 750-800 dolars????

[@samuraiintellectual]

Ulanzi FM01 $82.