Matt Dillahunty - Unholy Trinity Down Under: "Why Won't You Love Me?" (Version 2)

In March of 2015, the Atheist Foundation of Australia hosted atheist activists Matt Dillahunty, Aron Ra and Seth Andrews (under the tongue-in-cheek tour title, "The Unholy Trinity Down Under").
The speakers' presentations from Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne are posted on AFA's tour website: www.unholytrini...
Special thanks to the AFA: atheistfoundati...

[@tylershepard4269]

I used to be Christian myself. Within these last six months, I started questioning, and found my answer. I am now atheist and I feel so free. I had a nightmare last night however that I was judged by God and sent to hell. I woke up realizing that it's all a bunch of bullcrap, but unfortunately, I was exposed to religious brainwashing for 18 years, and that's what it does to a person.

[@johnnypetersen94]

Zissou Moonshot I don't know how I ever aquired this ability, but I have been able to take control of myself in a dream and stop it. I won't bother with why it happened, but because of circumstances in my life I was having really bad nightmares. During one of these nightmares, in which some really hair raising shit was happening, I simply stopped what I was doing in the dream and layed down and closed my eyes. As soon as I closed my eyes I would wake up thus ending the dream. I was able to do this every time after that. I am going to research what you suggested. Although I am not having the same nightmares any longer, it would be nice to end them without having to wake up, if they ever start occurring again.

[@crystalheart9]

The last bit I had to let go of was fear, listening to Matt helped me to overcome this.

[@exzelcic]

Tyler Shepard well hello :)

[@groovyme1234]

You know, just bc you discovered that religion is bullshit, doesnt mean there is no God

[@charlieclark2609]

Even if there is a God and he does send me to hell, he can still go fuck himself cuz he's a fucking asshole. You can't misinterpret the horrible shit in the bible. And it doesn't even say , for example , in exodus 21 about slaves, no where does God pop in and tell them oh hey don't that, it's not nice and it hurts people . What kind of fucking cunt god does that ?

[@bonnie43uk]

I always loved your analogy Matt where you asked "Would you ever construct a torture chamber in your basement for your kids if they refused to love you"?. What kind of loving parent would do that to his own children??.. none that I know of.

[@kingda117]

bonnie43uk Joseph Fritzl! His carpentry/construction skills were adequate too.

[@bonnie43uk]

kingda117 That's true, but I wouldn't describe him as a loving parent.

[@kingda117]

bonnie43uk True dat :)

[@suvarenee]

bonnie43uk I've always loved that analogy too!

[@bonnie43uk]

Kitty BooBoo The bible DOES say that unbelievers will go to Hell. Also what would happen if any of those list of people you've described above *genuinely* have an epiphany moment at the end of their lives and see the error of their ways and *genuinely* accept Christ as their savior and repent. Does Jesus forgive them, as the bible says?

[@crystalheart9]

Even as a kid I couldn't understand how an all powerful god kept messing up and have to start over again. Listening to Matt helped me to finally let go of all of these crazy fantasy beliefs.

[@michaelflamingsword3131]

Why are you blaming God ? Why are you not blaming yourself and others that made choices that are irrevocably.

[@letters_from_paradise]

@@michaelflamingsword3131 Because he created humans knowing that if he created them in the way that he did they would screw up his plans. Either he intended for them to screw up his plans and is just a dick, or he's an idiot who can't seem to make even a working prototype of his design.

[@infiniteoctopaw]

Michael FlamingSword I don’t create Satan. God did.

[@Menemen98]

Why would you blame yourself for something that literally has nothing to do with you and how is this a logical view.

[@crystalheart9]

I guess when I was 7years old I didn't have much logic yet.@@Menemen98

[@Dave_AI]

You just keep getting better and better Matt. At this rate, I can see you becoming the most sought after atheist speaker in the world.

[@sleepyd1231]

David Ezzio I think he's closing on Hitchen status.

[@sleepyd1231]

Just my opinion, PS I love orangutans. I volunteer at my local zoo and specifically work as a docent on siamangs and orangutans. Its great fun, genius animals

[@dlevitt0508]

Dylan Ost Matt is becoming a star for reason but Christopher is a legend. When Matt demands and commands the attention from world leaders, religious leaders, global news media and every pastor and imam from Bombay to Beirut to Topeka Kansas, then shall the crown of reason be passed. Ha!

[@sleepyd1231]

dlevitt0508 I suppose, I think it's slightly a hype thing.I thing hitchens had a bigger following, and that's why he commanded more attention.

[@sleepyd1231]

ClumsyRoot Yes, his rhetoric and syntax is superior. I assume thats probably because he was a journalist. However I think Matt's arguments are on par to Chris's

[@Yorker1998]

Matt Dillahunty has come a long way hasn't he? My favorite atheist.

[@glen6945]

FK YOU A HOL

[@eddypasatrino2039]

35:50 "Gods playing an eternal game of hide and seek" Yep, that pretty much sums up my entire Christian Baptist life growing up.

[@battleangel9393]

I love people like Matt ,he strengthens my atheist understanding because being a believer for so many years makes it hard sometimes , the sentiment for god can be so strong , but logic prevails and Matt helps a lot ,, we need more people like him!

[@dantewolvera7411]

Boom. Matt Dillahunty ladies and gentlemen, getting the wheels in your head turning again. Thanks Matt.

[@MiokeDokey]

That is becoming quite the philosopher's beard.

[@Penningtontj]

+Red Hunteur Try theater vocal lessons. Best way to make your voice reach the back of a room unassisted.

[@glen6945]

FK YOU A HOL

[@jackpamm2457]

Wow. What a brilliant speech.. especially, the ending. So far, my favorite of Matt's.

[@MrNckissfan]

Perhaps one of the very best speeches I have ever heard. So inspiring that I found myself having to listen to it more than once while working an overnight shift.

[@adamg8974]

This is the best talk you've done do far. Thank you for all the work you do for the atheist community.

[@MarkRosengarten]

Really outstanding work, sir. With every presentation you give you get more refined, more polished and more amazing in your reasoning. You do magic to impress the eye but the real magic here is in impressing the mind using not prestidigitation but the hard, honest truth.

[@MarkRosengarten]

If anyone tried to take my cats there would likely be a murder investigation afterward. :) Thanks for the kind word! Happy New Year to you and yours!!!

[@waveman0]

I am sad I missed this live, would have been great to go and watch.

[@vsrorrer]

You have shaken this Christian gal to the core.,..seriously shaken!!!.

[@Daisy-cu5tu]

Hi vicky. I often wish I could see God, have Him sit and talk to me. I even once after a car accident, said okay I am not a Christian. I sat and told myself, now what? I felt His spirit distance himself from me. That went on for a few weeks. I remember feeling empty inside. I was at church and said please come back to me. I did feel His presence and it felt like a cool breeze on a hot day. I have a video called "the privileged planet". If you can find it, you will be amazed at our place in the universe. Everything around us is designed, I know that God is the designer. I know that I always want more from God. But it is clear to me that God is really in control. Before you decide to believe this man, read the Bible and let God speak to you. 💛

[@2010hy]

@@Daisy-cu5tu this guy read the bible.

[@klausm5460]

The contributions of the Four Horsemen and many of the critical thinkers we cherish so much are all very well and important, but nobody gets to the point so precisely and directly like Matt Dillahunty. Loved the giant analogy. Carry on!

[@mshine5]

I believe you have fulfilled your calling to show people the way to the truth. Kudo's Sir.

[@shadowmax889]

To those christians who says that the old testament do not aply anymore my response is Mathew 5:17

[@amy_pieterse]

Thanks for that

[@nordy2010]

That was simply awesome! Wonderful speech, Matt Dillahunty !!! Off to watch Aron and Seth!

[@arlangaming3022]

the best talk on atheism i have ever seen/heard.

[@Troubleshooter125]

_Fuck him; we're better off on our own._ -- Matt Dillahunty To which I add a resounding *HEAR HEAR!!!*

[@nontheistdavid]

Actually in the tower of babel story it originally states that WE came down. This is residue of the polytheism that existed before monotheism among the jews.

[@nontheistdavid]

Red Hunteur Exactly. You know your stuff. I like how after adapting Yahweh as their own they denigrated the other gods they use to worship like Baal as being the shit in essence. Plus people rarely mention that the Jews in fact did engage in child sacrifice. It was one of their "innovations" to quit doing it (How nice of them) Dagon was used by Lovecraft in his stories:)

[@BamaFanEdge]

***** Being raised as YEC, I was taught that this, along with "let us create man in our image" is a reference to the trinity. But we only believed in one god... except when there were three.

[@nontheistdavid]

BamaFanEdge Yep. Thats the hindsight rationalization that is used. What's fascinating is that this is precisely how the gospels writers created their narrative for Jesus. They looked at the hebrew bible in hindsight for "clues" about Jesus.

[@lilabdennour]

***** You're twisting Shit around for your own understanding. If you're an honest skeptic, the question will be " why would the followers of Jesus Christ spread a lie and die for Bullshit" they knew him personally. And no they weren't delusional, that's the dumbest answer if that all you got... And history proves the man existed.. God bless you 😃

[@nontheistdavid]

Eli Abz "why would the followers of Jesus Christ spread a lie and die for Bullshit" You are not very bright This is question begging. It assumes A. A Jesus existed. B. They consciously spread lies. I guess its never occurred to you that the people actually believed the nonsense and died for it not knowing it was nonsense. Dying for something doesn't prove it was real! In fact Jews were dying for their beliefs at that time in spades. The Maccabees revolts involved martyrs who would rather die , and DID, than eat UNCLEAN FOOD. They died over FOOD. People die for all kinds of ideologies that aren't true. . The Hale Bopp cult in the 20th century died for their idiotic beliefs. I could write page after page of people who died for beliefs that were manifestly untrue. "they knew him personally." ROFL Laughing. The Gospels aren't eyewitness accounts sherlock. They were all written post Jewish war 70 ce.This is common knowledge amongst scholars. and even layman. Paul did not know any historical Jesus and he even said he did not receive his gospel from ANY MAN. He mentions nothing biogprahical about a Jesus. He just speaks of a Spiritual Christ . that he derived "according to scripture" (created it from scripture) By the way the Damascus vision was NOT written by Paul , that is in Acts (Which was not written by him and Acts contradicts what Paul has said !) which has been proven to be fiction. None of the epistles mention ANYTHING about a historical Jesus. At least six of Pauls epistles are proven FORGERIES :) "You twisting shit around" Ad hoc rationalization nonsense. You are too stupid to realize that the first Jewish Christian have twisted things around. Its called hindsight bias Projecting ones view into the past text. and not realizing it has nothing to do with the present:) This is precisely how your gospels were created . ."And no they weren't delusional, that's the dumbest answer if that all you got... And history proves the man existed.." History does not prove a Jesus There are NO contemporary sources that talk about a historical Jesus and in fact we know interpolations (FORGERIES) were put into various histories by LYING Christians in a desperate attempt to try and prove their Christ :) Perfect example is Josephus. And you say I have a dumb answer The delusion is strong with you:)

[@redshift40]

Bravo Matt. Outstanding!

[@Ashalmawia]

"guilt cycle" exactly. this is why just about ANY thing that's "fun" is something that's in some way a "sin". be it alcohol, sex/masturbation, pot, even things like over-eating, or in some cases even extending it to ANYTHING you enjoy at all, like watching movies, video games, even basic hobbies (sometimes these are called 'idol' worship). anything that can be identified as something that you as a person particularly enjoy, so that it can be turned against you, and that it can be used to "tether" you to the church, since you are likely to continue wanting them, (and since forcing yourself not to do the things you enjoy will only make you want them all the more.)

[@TheSnoopy1750]

Great talk Matt! My favorite part was 30:19 - 31:23 as it summarizes how irrational the theist "I rely on faith" argument is.

[@myksgrl]

This is so awesome!! Thank you Matt

[@letters_from_paradise]

It's like getting payed less at work and the employer saying "You don't understand my economic ways, I'm brilliant at economying things."

[@ronaldov09]

Both of these versions are fantastic.

[@Multi1628]

~ A great Sunday sermon, and far superior to anything currently being heard in mega-"churches" or on cable tv ~ Self-deception is a great term: I also like willful ignorance. Thank you, Matt ~ Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

[@kruleworld]

"all those great thinkers are just 'too dumb' to understand my brilliance"; This is the exact argument i hear from Creationists and Flat Earthers. They can't do basic math, but their ideas apparently are more correct than those of people who done it all their lives and actually worked out the science behind it, and had checked and confirmed by other people.

[@stop.juststop]

They quote bible verses about how foolish we are without taking into account the foolishness of believing such extraordinary claims without evidence. Indoctrination is one hell of a brain blocker.

[@TheRobdarling]

That is the power and delusion of ego.

[@exploremore2438]

John Lennox and co.

[@Largo64]

For a guy who was once terrified of public speaking, Matt, you are a damned good speaker. I enjoy listening to your talks, even though you did get cranky one day and unfriend me on Facebook. ;^)

[@YOSUP315]

Maybe the tower was supposed to be like a lighthouse. So that no matter where someone was on the flat earth, they could always see the tower and find their way back to civilization. "Lest we be scattered abroad upon the [flat]face of the earth"

[@jmh31890]

Are you asserting the earth is flat?

[@thebipolarbear2639]

Matt, I too am an Atheist, and FINALLY you did a LIVE on stage performance that was a great speech. I am an Aussie. I am soooo happy your confidence has grown. I have watched all your previous AthiestExperience shows. Now you are getting up there with Hitch and Dawks. cheers brother

[@freespuddy]

Love this talk. Is it available in written form?

[@NidusFormicarum]

But the christians say that Eve was deceived, but not Adam. What's this good/evil-thing about in the first place? So Eve sinned by making her own decision and not asking Adam and Adam choosed intentionally to sin because he loved Eve. How is it then in any snese fair to them to let them be punished? If they were perfect, but sinned, then how could they possibly have been perfect if perfect mean that you never sin?

[@Hapuniva]

Its a great summary for all religion. We are better off with it.

[@wakemore27]

I absolutely love the closing speech, not that I didn't enjoy the entirety of this video. It's just the last part, and the analogy of the giant, spoke volumes and will likely fall on deaf ears when it comes to many "believers" which is unfortunate.

[@wakemore27]

Appreciate your dedication to educating others in the understanding of atheism and humanism and secularism and glad we have someone like you who is so rational and eloquent and coherent out there speaking on our behave, though I understand it is more than just that for you. It also doesn't hurt that you're a magician and have a good sense of humor. Thank you.

[@kayzak5785]

Matt Dillahunty You kinda did become a minister. Maybe god set you up as the jester in his grand theatrical performance. Good job. You're awesome.

[@11shovel11]

Very good Matt, I really enjoy watching/hearing you speak..I wish the Unholy Trinity tour would do more U.S.A. dates..

[@lcvamp242]

I'm going to have to use that Giant metaphor.

[@mendaciousc5208]

Brilliantly put.

[@captainstinkyvonpoopberg4925]

Where do I find the audio for the chat with the street preacher(s)?

[@SansDeity]

Timothy Edgar Working on that, for May, probably. Adam Reakes at Herd Mentality podcast posted some of it, I think.

[@nontheistdavid]

Matt Dillahunty Hey Matt your bald head and beard always make me think of the science fiction author Neil Stephenson. Go look up his pic. Great talk as usual.

[@nontheistdavid]

Matt Dillahunty The quote on being a happy drunk is George Bernard Shaw.

[@videowatcherBD]

+VI Spex 7

[@ChaingunCassidy]

+Timothy Edgar I see that guy every week on the steps of Sydney Town Hall.

[@groovyme1234]

I'm an anti-religious theist. That was brilliant. You got to love Matt

[@adelarscheidt]

Am I allowed to mirror the video with subtitles in portuguese? No monetization involved.

[@glen6945]

FK -YOU A HOL

[@MendTheWorld]

i hope you received a reply. Matt is not really in this for the money, so i suspect there would be no objection. Try contacting the Atheist Community of Austin.

[@eileendover3938]

Glenn parent haven’t you got anything worthwhile to say?

[@Bornonlyonce]

Can't find the Q&A session. Link please?

[@ari1234a]

To kill a god you only need a cross.

[@glen6945]

FK -YOU A HOL

[@eileendover3938]

Glenn parent still cranky?

[@metalhead0274]

Follow the god that failed..held back by the deepened nail...

[@topcat2069]

I've said it before, Matt may be our replacement for Christopher Hitchen, and I'll say it again. Matt's logic is always spot on and lethal to the bad logic he get presented to him by the believers who think they know everything.

[@bookwermofthefandoms]

If creating is an action, and actions take time, then you don't have time... to make time. 9:00 😂

[@ZimVader13]

Other than being in love I will never understand how people can believe something without some kind of demonstratable evidence. Even as a kid I questioned and pointed out all the illogical and stupid things in Christianity and other things people try to teach. I understand there are some people that need to believe in something but I guess it's just something you have to experience to comprehend because I just cant

[@gryzman]

So I wonder how do you do it Matt then, the levitation. The tricks that street "magicians" do require prep, and a bit of a support structure - not something you can pull out of your pocket :P

[@JFrazer4303]

Let's say the available bandwidth for sharing data is much greater when in a dream than just a voice in his head.

[@kaliklav]

Come on, Australia... first 15 minutes constant low-mid frequency feedback on the mic

[@Torvar]

What do you think of this syllogism? Premises: You cannot choose to believe or disbelieve in X. Justification of X is required to believe in X. Presuppositions have no justification. Conclusion: Presuppositions are not beliefs. The moment you attempt to justify a presupposition you aren't presupposing it anymore.

[@LimitedWish]

Torva I think this is neither valid nor sound. C = Presuppositions are unjustified beliefs. That is, presuppositions cannot be believed or disbelieved. They are still beliefs (conceptually), they just shouldn't be believed. Also "Justification of X is required to believe in X" should say either "Being convinced of X is required to believe in X" or "Justification of X is required to reasonably/rationally believe in X". In the latter case, the conclusion would be "Presuppositions are not reasonable beliefs".

[@Torvar]

BuchMaster Zero I only mentioned it because in the video he said that you cannot choose to believe in something. You either believe or you don't believe. That belief is the state of being convinced. I think that presupposing something is not the state of being convinced. If you are convinced of something there is no need to presuppose it.

[@LimitedWish]

Torva "You either believe or you don't believe. That belief is the state of being convinced." Not believing is the state of not being convinced. I think you're trying to address two sides of an argument as if they are one. For example, take the statement 'X is either true or false'. The assertion of non-belief in X (not being convinced that X is true) is not the assertion that X is false. It is a fact that it is either true or false, but 'X is false' is a separate assertion and does not necessarily follow from a rejection (not being convinced) of the truth claim. Saying 'I am not convinced that X is true' is a neutral position; it offers no belief. That's why I said "C = Presuppositions are unjustified beliefs. That is, presuppositions cannot be believed or disbelieved.

[@Torvar]

BuchMaster Zero You make good points. I see it as that someone makes a presupposition as the start of an argument Making the presupposition or assertion does not mean that they believe it, just that is where their are starting the argument argument from. If they think that they can get truth from the conclusion then it might be a belief? Otherwise it seems like a hypothetical syllogism to me. In hypotheticals you don't need to believe what you are asserting. I guess I am equating presuppositional premises with a hypothetical premise.

[@Torvar]

BuchMaster Zero Thinking about it more I think that if presuppositions are unjustified beliefs then they are choosing to believe it which violates the first premise which is something he said in the video was true.

[@robertpresley1503]

Is this 2 different speeches? It looks like the stage changed halfway through the video.

[@swedishlina]

robert presley it is two venues in two cities, Sydney and Brisbane.

[@watcher7180]

I vote for version one. It was much more entertaining.

[@twstf8905]

Hahaha "Poor little people in my game." 🤣

[@nitehawk86]

Wait, Australia has street preachers? I thought this was only a thing in the US.

[@ronaldov09]

nitehawk86 I have never seen one, not in Hobart anyway.

[@GraemeWoller]

nitehawk86 Yeah, we have a bunch in New Zealand too. That's where Ray Comfort came from. We can never apologise enough.

[@screw0dog]

nitehawk86 Here in Perth we have literally one or two. They're quite a novelty.

[@ronaldov09]

***** Gawd. Both Ham and Banana Man come from our beautiful countries...the shame!

[@TheMarsCydonia]

nitehawk86 Do they qualify as street preachers if they only stand next to a pamphlet stand but do not actually shout or do much of any engaging from their street corner? We have some of those in Montreal, Canada.

[@jaynerulo6785]

I lived next door to that Six Flags, that dance club was only open a few years. I went there almost every weekend (what you do when you live in Eureka Mo). I'd bet the 47 cents I have to my name, I was there when he was there.

[@avi8r66]

I've changed my tactic a bit when a believer tries to convert or sway me. Rather than getting into word definition games, or burden of proof discussions, or evidence discussions, I just start of with, "Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that everything in the bible is true, it's fact, it actually happened and correctly depicts God, Jesus, et al. Now, why should I love God, why should I praise and worship him? Other than creating our lives in what way has he earned our love and praise. Because the bible I have read depicts this being as quite the villain, a monster. But please, give me some reasons to love and worship this being."

[@johnmcleod8961]

as much as I love these theistic/atheistic debates...after hearing so many of them they really are getting tired...yea yea, I'm as rogue as any 15 yo...but I certainly think much more mature than that...but I still have the same rebellious nature...and that's just it: my nature....so I think and grow up...religionist: "I'll pray for you"; C. Hitchens: "and I'll THINK for you."

[@godlesswolf5816]

"bang... I made everything! ... Cool..."

[@glen6945]

FK TOUN A HOLE

[@eileendover3938]

Glenn parent why can’t you say anything interesting?

[@munstrumridcully]

@5:13-- Of course! That explains everything, Noah's Ark was a TARDIS! Why didn't I think of that!? I repent of my godless skepticism! ;-)

[@frankt9156]

How funny would it be if they do an episode where doctor who come back in time save a family in the flood and it becomes the Noah story.

[@kristinehayes4744]

The Brisbane one, I was there. :)

[@bigm383]

John Bowler much less than the happy clapping God botherers here in Australia.

[@jayleneellis9308]

I liked "Why Won't You Love Me?" (Version 1) much more.

[@dylancoleman1921]

22:55 “he just kept getting louder”. Sounds like Frank Turek.

[@transsylvanian9100]

The tower of Babel story always reminds me of the Akalabêth, the Downfall of Numenor in the Second Age. It makes more sense if you see it in the setting that once upon a time Heaven was actually reachable if you only went high enough - just like Valinor could once be reached by simply sailing to the West. So a Tower was actually a threat to the dominion of God over the celestial realm who, in a very Oedipal sense was afraid of being usurped and replaced by his own creation just like when the Men of Numenor, being envious of the immortality of the Firstborn, assembled a grand armada and sailed onto Valinor seeking to conquer it. And in the same way as the Valar, in their destruction and sinking of the realm of the Numenòrians, also detached Valinor from Middle Earth and made it inaccessible to all but the Eldar, so too heaven was subsequently detached after the events of the Tower of Babel so that God did not have to fear assault by mortals anymore. This version of the mythology makes for a much better story, it's more entertaining, more dramatized, and the character of God is much more well rounded as an antagonist (or protagonist depending on your point of view). Of course Tolkien's version is still better because not only does it explain the Sinking of "Atlantis" but it also explains why the earth was once flat and is now round: so that no matter how far Men sail westwards they will never again the Holy Land of Aman, instead now merely arriving back where they started.

[@glen6945]

FK YOU GOOF

[@eileendover3938]

Glenn parent is that all you have? You’re pathetic.

[@korncows1]

When i began questioning the existance of God esp thr Christian god, I had so many problems with how nothing made sense. But my last thing to do was read the bible again and see if it explains anything or if it even wad accurate . thats whete Matt has helped as it saved me time to study the bible to find these flaws, he brought them right to my attention and showed me exsctly what i needed to see to finally have a answer i could stand behind on the existamcr of God: no. And now I struggle to find meaning in life...it hasnt been a great thing finding out the truth, but it atleast is the truth. And now i learn to cope .

[@charlieclark2609]

My mom has stage 4 cancer and I'm needing advise on how I'm gonna get over not seeing her again after she's gone. At least , I don't believe I'll see her again , I'm not sure what's after this life , if anything. But being raised chriatian and being told you'll see loved ones again in heaven and then finding out that it is probably a lie is a very unnerving thing to think about. But I've gotten over other loved ones dying and I didn't believe I'd see them again , and my stepdad dies while I gave him cpr and I didn't think I'd see him again , so maybe I can somehow get over my mom's death before it even happens , somehow. Advice from anyone who cares to give it is greatly appreciated

[@ethiomel9444]

Jay Rogers give it a time. Nothing is forever , We all have ticking clock. Enjoy your life as much as you can. If there is a god, where was God, when kids get abused or killed, starve to death , what kind of God denies babies, children’s basic necessity for living and then demands thankfulness? simply cannot forgive a god who stands by and watches while kids die from lack of water, that the basic necessities of life.

[@Daisy-cu5tu]

Hi Jay. My mom died 25 years ago, my dad died last year. I have been in chronic pain for many years. God told us "this is not our home." This life is the journey, the destination is heaven. He did heal some people, but not all. I would love it if God would take away my pain. But as much as I want this miracle in my life or for anybody that is sick, God promised that He would walk with us. I have constant pain, I have few friends, I have been to so many Dr's and no one knows what is going on in my body. In the Bible in the book of Hebrews, it talks about unanswered prayer. So from where I stand, I thank God for His promise and I will be in a place that will not have sickness or sorrow. This man is saying, stay in the car and never get out. God said something like, get in the car and drive for a while, when you do stop and get out of the car you will see that the car was your journey and you are now at your distination. We do have purpose in this life. Read and study your Bible. I know you will find rest for your soul.

[@charlieclark2609]

@@Daisy-cu5tu I don't believe books I believe evidence . Fuck your God and Fuck Christ

[@hansspa3892]

@Daisy. So for all the misery and heartache you still thank god??

[@jinxy72able]

I wish you could get booked some place that would want you to do the 1st version of this (as God) again. Since the original has some audio problems. It would be nice to have a clear recording. It's one of my favorites.

[@brucebaker810]

I wonder... Just heard the bible quote with, Jehovah (alone? Or getting a posse of gods together?) "Let us go down and..." That and other quotes have fueled debate that the Jews were originally polytheists. But it made me think of something else. The "royal we". How it became a widespread thing for kings and queens to refer to themselves as "we". I wonder if the Royal We...stems from the Divine We. (After all, kings claimed "divine right" to rule.) And if the Divine We came from "you didn't sufficiently edit out the polytheism from your monotheistic book there Moses".

[@shondalee4392]

Very well said Matt.

[@hellobaldy999]

I went to the Sydney event and Matts talk was a little disappointing when he was doing it from God's perspective. The message is a lot clearer in this version.

[@benmoore1097]

You heard it here, first, people! Or second, if you did watch V1. Matt; "I love foreskin!" Lol. Really though, awesome talk!

[@NakiaRogue]

Matt Dillahunty = father, Arron Ra, son, Seth Andrews holy um unholy spirit

[@ellisv75]

The tower of babel story bothered me at age 8 or 9, it seems that reading the bible and considering the consequences of what it says is a good antidote for indoctrination.

[@glen6945]

FK YOU GOOF

[@camaronjunk5510]

Fwiw I like this format a lot better. The other way is an interesting format but got old quick.

[@stuboyd1194]

Lucky we can now build towers 800+ metres tall and god don't mind any more.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

Hell we can send robots to other planets and he doesn't mind

[@franciscojeronimo5881]

13.30m It's cause dreams are audiovisual and they didn't had TV at the time.

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

36:59

[@richiejohnson]

An entire continent with only one landmark.

[@skepticalbystander]

Matt, at 8:12, you said either he planned this, which makes it his fault, or he's too inept, which makes it his fault. i fear believers will see you wanting to condemn their god for being inept, but not want that god condemning inept humans for their "sins." It seems like a special case that doesn't go both ways. If god doesn't have all the answers, we get to blame him, but if we don't have all the answers, god isn't allowed to use that same judgment. As an antitheist, I really want to understand this, cuz it sent up a devil's-advocate-type red flag in my mind. Does it make it alright because we didn't create him, so we're not to blame, but he supposedly made us, knowing he couldn't control everything, so he should have a guilty conscience for starting everything in the first place on such hazy grounds? Is there any point to this I'm overlooking? Thank you, cheers!

[@leviangel97]

Devin Stevens The idea is basically that we are as God, being all knowing and all powerful, made us. so if we are inept it's because God made us that way.

[@ChannelMath]

Obviously, God's plan IS chaos...beautiful chaos, muhahahahahah

[@BenjaminSteber]

What’s my problem with god? He could stop me from doing the right thing.

[@davidwilkie9551]

Still rather be agnostic because I really don't know much and know I don't know in general, so picking on religos for being mislead by fraudsters seems a bit misleading as well given how ubiquitous fraud and deception is, and how much more cruel and unnecessary the victimization of anyone who can be exploited is by those who treat us as if we have faith and beliefs, or else! Someone should explain if there is a distinction between atheist meaning anti-belief, or without beliefs? Because opposition is the worst strategy for changing minds that aren't cooperating with peaceful coexistence.

[@johnallenit]

Think the link on this is broken... Points to soccer.

[@kenkafcsak6701]

NOBODY has been to the moon and NOBODY EVER WILL.

[@SansDeity]

Fractal wrongness

[@kenkafcsak6701]

I LOVE your speaches, but NASA is full of shit.🤣

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@kenkafcsak6701 are you a flat earther?

[@GreenBoy9000]

You got proof of that? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

[@aaronwordlaw4609]

great show, I feel great that I found my way out of that brain washing cult indoctrinations

[@TwoGunToast]

the end of this video for some reason made me think of Man on the Moon or whatever it's called with Jim Carrey. at the end Kaufman goes to that ridiculous spiritual surgeon dude or whatever and as the "operation" is happening he realizes it's fakeand starts smiling like him getting sick and wanting answers was just a big fucking joke

[@francomartini4328]

Matt Dillahunty is wrong about the tower of Babel story. It is not an attempt to explain the diversity of language. It is a parable intended to illustrate that religion wants people to be ignorant and that education and enquiry, particularly scientific enquiry, are considered to be anti God. In the story God acts out of the fear that humans will learn too much and that this will make them his equal so he punishes them by making them incapable of communicating and therefore organising and collaborating in order to carry out their work. As a former Southern Baptist, Matt should understand (as Aron Ra does) that religion, all religions, target education as a strategy to gain or, in actual fact, to regain the power to control the population through brainwashing starting at an early age because they know full well that children are unable to defend themselves. Where the state allows religion to control education by not imposing an obligatory secular national curriculum or, as in Muslim majority countries, where the state is absent in terms of public education and therefore where education for the children of those who are not rich is only available via religious schools, not only is there a material regression but there is inevitably a blossoming of religiously-motivated extremism as religion becomes bolder and seeks to impose its totalitarian vision on the secular state and on the population in its entirety.

[@glen6945]

BAFFIN ISLAND IN CANADA IS HUGE

[@unit0033]

highlights the nonsense that is christianity

[@arathperez7528]

Omg

[@glen6945]

FK YOUE -GOOF

[@brucebaker810]

Ah, but when God's plan with the two imperfect beings fails and he tries again with EIGHT (or however many Noah & co were) imperfect beings...see? That's a variable. A game changer. See, there are 4X the number of imperfect beings. So it's just GOTTA work out better this time. No? And the dinosaurs were evil. So He ordered that they become oil. Under the whole middle east...all the lands of the enemies of his Chosen people...and none under theirs.

[@brucebaker810]

John Bowler Still..."You are my chosen peeps...but oil for the jebusites and the flabonites and the mitytites...(okay, and the Canadians, Venezuelans, Scottish....) but none under the land that I "give" to you...by telling you it's ok to slaughter the current residents"... ...that's a pretty f'd up claim all around. Are you saying that Israel has oil? Or grinding me cuz I didn't list all oil nations...just the ones in the "whole known world" of the bible. Thereby the ones relevant to this topic. If it was true...and Yahweh had "given" them just about any other land in the area...(and they had either managed to keep it OR had it handed "back" to them by the UN) they'd be swimming in money. Instead: oranges & tourism. All BS anyway. Except dinos> oil. That actually happened.

[@sayten7471]

Well, that wraps it up for God !

[@rad4life1]

I like Matt, he is awesome! But I disagree with him on one thing, that belief isnt a choice. Yes it is! Anything that you say to show that it isnt WILL lead back to choice. To be convinced of something is to choose to believe it.

[@hakwumeru9410]

+Richard Down No, belief is _not_ a choice. To believe something is to be convinced of the truth of something; it's a conviction. One does not choose that.

[@rad4life1]

Hakwu Meru How does one become come convinced or not of something? Evidence or lack there of must be presented so that a person can make a "judgement" for themselves in order to be convinced! THAT my friend requires choice!

[@hakwumeru9410]

***** Yes, making a judgement is a choice; one chooses to apply judgement. But the result of that judgement would either be conviction or doubt, neither of which is something you choose.

[@rad4life1]

Hakwu Meru To arrive at a conviction or doubt requires a choice! Without that you wouldnt have either! It works in tandum silly! You must choose to judge, once you do you then you can apply your conviction or doubt! but FIRST you must choose! ;)

[@hakwumeru9410]

*****​​ No. Again, you do not choose to doubt or be convinced. Yes, you can choose to _apply_ your doubt or conviction by your action or inaction. The _application_ of your doubt or conviction is matter of choice, yes, but not the doubt or conviction itself.

[@uncreatedskeptic9968]

God in the Bible is really just a little kid playing The Sims / Sim City. Build it up and destroy it because it's fun.

[@enjoythemoment8973]

10:45: we've never been to the moon, just like religion, you were made to believe something that wasn't true. Welcome to the human race.

[@letters_from_paradise]

But, I mean... we have though...

[@chinosupportskhasidata]

I believe God... Without God no earth, no tree, no ocean, no sun, no moon etc..

[@ImSoggyToast]

Why do you think those things can’t exist without god?

[@conseated3616]

Matt Dillahunty interpretation of the bible is just that, his interpretation. He use the bible too preach his message ?

[@prudencegrahame1519]

Shoooosh

[@elly3359]

And your belief in the bible is based on just that, your interpretation of it.

[@conseated3616]

@@elly3359 A correct interpretation is based on knowledge of the subject , and Matt clearly has no knowledge of the subject.

[@elly3359]

@@conseated3616 basically you're saying that YOU have the right interpretation of the bible?

[@conseated3616]

@@elly3359 So you cruise through life, not interpreting anything you read? Accepting my interpretation or Matt's should be based on the knowledge you have on that subject.