Matt Dillahunty vs Cliff Knechtle: Slavery

[@_VISION.]

No wonder he only debates college freshman

[@michonmcgill2652]

Exactly! I’ve been saying that for years. Same thing with Ben Shapiro. although Ben has recently engaged in debate with people like Sam Harris and Alex, O’Connor, and when he does so, he usually gets checked.

[@donniemorton162]

Owning people is wrong

[@CheesyChez421]

All that needs to be said.

[@kidslovesatan34]

Matt owned Stuart here.

[@smilloww2095]

​@@kidslovesatan34his name is cliff

[@mattwhite7287]

​@@smilloww2095he mistook the idiot father for the idiot son. 😅

[@Mehki227]

And yet Matt owns so many theists😂

[@davex444]

It amazes me how someone can be so condescending, arrogant and confident while spouting nonsense. It's like he expects people to believe him simply because of his attitude. Religion is just looking sadder and sadder.

[@MrMattSax]

That’s why apologists are conmen. It’s a confidence game, not a rational one.

[@AaronEllisOfficial]

Cliff is a terrible apologist for the Christian faith because he is condescending and arrogant and overly and foolishly confident that even as a Christian I couldn't stand hearing him. People say Ray comfort is bad, and he is, but at least he doesn't have a terrible attitude and way of speaking like Cliffe does.

[@iamacatinthejungle]

​@@AaronEllisOfficialif you felt uncomfortable watching this i hope you never watch cliff literally screaming at a guy because he made a question regarding gods actions and morality i felt bad for the guy honestly

[@danielpickrell8311]

Cliff is never condescending. He says to be intellectually honest. Because some of the people he was debating were not listening to what cliff was saying or even to what they were saying.

[@kpsiex]

@@iamacatinthejungle what was the question? don't simplify it for me, i want exactly how the question was worded.

[@abidd]

Ephesians 6:5-8 “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ”

[@jamesduncan2181]

I don't know what bible you are reading but the KJV says nothing about slaves in them verses that's where man has took verses and just twisted them around.

[@carlisroy6666]

@@jamesduncan2181 What makes you think the KJV is a good rendering?

[@bellagiolutjen5392]

interesting, according to the geneva bible (GNV), it uses servants, not slaves. Where did you get slaves from? or are you being dishonest. If you simply switched slave and servant for your own argument, shame on you. If you have an actual translation that says that, have you cross referenced every other translation or are you appeasing your confirmation bias

[@abidd]

@@bellagiolutjen5392 Well telling servants to obey their masters with fear and tremblings is just as bad. And servant and slave was used interchangeably in the old testament. A servant was not a maid that come to clean twice a week then went home. They world have been owned by the master. And my quote came from the KJV which is the version most Americans use. What does the original aramaic say?

[@Samyy136]

​@@jamesduncan2181if christianity is true why it has many bibles? 😂

[@brunozeigerts6379]

"The bible doesn't condone slavery...' except where it does.

[@Daniel-cz7kd]

brunozeigerts6379 So what?

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@Daniel-cz7kd So the bible condones slavery. The book that is supposedly divine inspiration of a morally superior being condones slavery.

[@FredWyatt-j6e]

The word "slavery" is what we see in the English translation but is not to be confused for what comes to mind for modern people when we hear that word. We immediately think of the transatlantic slave-trade, but that form of slavery is punishable by death according to the bible. You need to know the history of ancient slavery in that region to understand the context.. selling yourself into slavery/servitude was common practice for those who didn't wish to be homeless. Slaves had rights, could marry into their masters family, could be adopted, could earn their freedom and could inherit land and money from their masters. In this context, in those days, there's nothing immoral about it. Of course, with a situation like this, it is fully possible for masters to be abusive, but this would have been illegal and is said to lead to hell.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@FredWyatt-j6e You mean like the verse in the bible where it says that a slave owner could beat a slave almost to death... but if the slave gets up, the owner suffers no penalty. Or the part where the Israelites are told to take slaves from the tribes around them? Or that Hebrew men who sold themselves into slavery could go free after seven years, but not female ones. And not foreign ones taken into slavery. Yes, in the context of Bronze age barbarians, this would seem normal. But since these laws were supposedly set by a morally superior god... no, that's not excusable. A morally superior god should always be seen to be moral... not a god who approves slavery and genocide.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@FredWyatt-j6e Also... the bible was used to justify slavery in the Antebellum South, and slaves were even given a slave version of the bible so they could read that their slavery was divinely justified.

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

Trying to protect and make excuses for a deity who condones slavery is not the most evil thing faith leads people to do.

[@2l84me8]

This is how you get dictators.

[@GunnerMitchell-y3g]

A message to all white people stop believing in a Christian African religion stop believing in Jesus focus more on science not fairy tales

[@supercool32]

it literally doesn't tho

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

@@supercool32 Leviticus 25:44-46 Go argue with the teachings in the book that tell you the slaves you purchase from the nation's around.You can be handed down to your children because they are your property. The book literally condones owning human beings.As property and even tells you which human beings you can own as property and which you can make your servants for up to 7 years before having to let them go.

[@supercool32]

@@RobertSmith-gx3mi Read in context. "25 The Lord said to Moses at Mount Sinai, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you, the land itself must observe a sabbath to the Lord. 3 For six years sow your fields, and for six years prune your vineyards and gather their crops. 4 But in the seventh year the land is to have a year of sabbath rest, a sabbath to the Lord. Do not sow your fields or prune your vineyards. 5 Do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the grapes of your untended vines. The land is to have a year of rest. 6 Whatever the land yields during the sabbath year will be food for you-for yourself, your male and female servants, and the hired worker and temporary resident who live among you, 7 as well as for your livestock and the wild animals in your land. Whatever the land produces may be eaten." The verse you're talking about it referring to worldly deeds. We understand that much of the Mosaic Law does not directly apply to us today. God gave the Mosaic Law to the Israelites in order to speak directly to their situation somewhere in the 1400’s BC. This was a completely different world than the one we live in today. Certainly, any laws regarding issues that no longer exist, don’t apply to us today.

[@capthavic]

This should be the litmus test for theists, if they actually try to defend or deny slavery in the bible then they are beyond hope and reason.

[@TyronSmith-yo5tt]

Watch jim caviezel talking about his jesus hallucinations and how he saw a deck of cards with the faces of hellbound people.

[@MrMattSax]

The Bible absolutely and clearly condones and allows for slavery. The gauge to how you rationalize that determines the level of apologist you are.

[@orangevee9545]

Poor Cliff thought he had a point but then quickly realized that Matt was waiting for him to make his "point" so he could tear him up.

[@DragicornGames]

Cliff is one of the worst apologists out there. It's sad that his son, Stuart, who is probably in the deconstruction process in my opinion, still attempts apologetics seemingly just to appease his father.

[@philb4462]

That's interesting. What makes you think Stuart might be deconstructing?

[@DragicornGames]

@@philb4462 I've seen several of the debates he's participated in in the last year or so. I've watched thousands of hours of atheism/religion related videos including, but not limited to: Anthony Magnabosco's street epistemology, The Atheist Experience, Talk Heathen, The Line, Matt Dillahunty, DarkMatter2525, TheramimTrees, Seth Andrews, Aron Ra, Rationality Rules, Holy Koolaid, NonStampCollector, Alex O'Connor/Cosmic Skeptic, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Godless Engineer, many thousands of tiktok creators, etc. I became an atheist about 2 years ago after a decade+ long deconstruction, my wife followed shortly after me. I recently had a conversation with a friend who was pretty far along in her deconstruction. I feel like I've become fairly decent at seeing the signs of deconstruction. In my opinion Stuart seems to show some of those signs. Some of the things he says, the half assed arguments he makes, the arguments he doesn't push back on, his body language, what he laughs at, certain comments he makes, etc. It's just my opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt.

[@AaronEllisOfficial]

​@@philb4462I'm curious to this as well

[@_VISION.]

I guess it's safe to say he didn't have an answer

[@samiraabuser]

he's a heretic

[@thebruhofgamesletsgo8807]

Cliff then takes the walk of shame back to the college campus where kids who just want to debate for fun get stumped

[@supercool32]

the irl debate goes much cleaner for cliffe because Matt hillahunty knows he would just get kicked out of the debate if he kept interrupting cliffe.

[@robred19]

He is talking about the post bronze society economics, where bartering, trade and slavery was predominant. Caste systems were ingrained in these societies and the ruling elite and religious leaders fought tooth and nail to keep it so. Even the Romans would promote Christianity- not because of its moral message but because of its use in the enforcement of social and political control. How anyone can sit in a debate in the 21st century promoting a religion, where the evidence against both Bible & notion of God, is damning, is literally beyond me. The Bible is a tool of social and political control, and should be seen as such.

[@Mehki227]

Exactly, which is why the Bible was written simply out of the minds of mere men of the times and therefore even more proof nothing about it is divine nor divinely inspired.

[@Mehki227]

Exactly, which is why the Bible was written simply out of the minds of mere men of the times and therefore even more proof nothing about it is divine nor divinely inspired.

[@davidmjackson7784]

True. A religion is a theocracy where God is your political leader, your Prime Minister, your President, never to be voted out of power, else you damn your immortal soul.

[@peterdeliteris7705]

Same with Islam. Stoning woman, throwing gays off buildings, not letting woman attend school or drive.

[@samiraabuser]

Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of our faith, the Savior who offers hope to the hopeless and life to the lifeless. He's the light in the darkness, the one who left heaven to walk among us, to carry our burdens, and to pay the ultimate price for our redemption. His love is not just a concept, it's a reality proven on the cross and confirmed in the empty tomb. Jesus ain't just a teacher or a prophet, He's the Son of God, the Lord, the one who holds the keys to eternal life. in Him, we find forgiveness for our past, strength for today, and a glorious future. He calls each of us to follow Him, to trust Him, and to live out the purpose He has set before us. no matter where you’ve been or what you’ve done, Jesus stands with open arms, ready to welcome you into His kingdom. trust in Him, for He is the way, the truth, and the life, and through Him, we find our true identity and our ultimate destiny. Christ is King👑☦️

[@douglasgrays9966]

Cliff literally speaks gibberish and it's so sad how brain washed he has been.

[@supercool32]

the universe is so carefully crafted to allow life to flourish that it can't be a coincidence. if I give you a delicious meal and tell you there's no cook, that's nonsense. a good meal must correlate to an intelligent chef. I mean for one literally every intelligible Bible prophecy ended up happening or is in that process, so what else do you want to need to believe? the people who saw Jesus wrote about him, there's ancient paintings and things from Jesus that were left behind, so what else do you want from God? Come on man. The reason that believe God exists is because of certain evidence. First piece of evidence: Life always comes from life. I dont care if it's plant life animal life or human life. in other words you don't get the animate from the inanimate. Is it more reasonable for me to believe 'In the beginning God' or is it more reasonable for me to believe "In the beginning matter and energy"? Because I only see life come from life, never life come from non life, it's much more plausible for me to believe 'In the beginning God'. Second piece of evidence: Love. Love is crucial to marriage, my family, my friendships. Love is a crucial motive in my life. if it's lacking, life turn very sterile, very empty. The only way love can be real is if there's more to reality than matter and energy. There's gotta be some type of God who creates us with this innate ability to genuinely love. Had our orbit radius been mere kilometers closer to the sun, life would be impossible. If it had been a few kilometers away, life would be impossible as well. You are suggesting that by some random chance the life that suddenly existed started morphing itself into humans over millenia? I too put my homework on a table and wait for the answers to start answering themselves because there's some chance that out of chaos some sort of order is found. God, the great, has created everything. And God saw it all, and said it was good. Everything was perfectly perfect until He allowed humans the power of choice. We chose destruction, we chose to ruin our God's perfect creation. All that's wrong with reality is a direct result of the choices of mankind. Do you understand?

[@samiraabuser]

science, specifically physics, studies what’s tangible, what we can see, touch, and measure. but there are limits to what physics can tell us. imagine you’ve got a physicist and a simple rational thinker on a boat studying a lake. the physicist might drop an anchor to measure how deep the lake is. but if the lake is so deep that there isn’t enough rope in the world to reach the bottom, does that mean there’s no bottom? ofc not. the rational thinker would infer that there has to be something down there holding the water up. so this works when we talk about the universe too. there are things in our universe like the origin of quantum vacuum fluctuations that we just can’t measure or observe directly. physics might hit a boundary, but that doesn’t mean there’s nothing beyond it. this is where rational thinking steps in, filling gaps that empirical science can’t reach. now, the argument against an infinite regress isn’t about picking a favorite solution. it’s about avoiding logical absurdity. if every cause has a cause before it, then we never get to a starting point, nothing ever begins. that’s why the idea of an uncaused cause, or a first cause, is necessary. it’s not just a post hoc rationalization it’s a logical deduction based on the need for a coherent explanation for why anything exists at all. and why God? because when we talk about an uncaused cause, we’re talking about something that isn’t bound by the limitations of the physical universe. unlike the universe, which had a beginning and is bound by time and space, God is posited as a necessary being, one that doesn’t depend on anything else for existence. this isn’t just about kicking the can down the road as some might say, it’s recognizing that the universe itself isn’t self-explanatory and that the cause of the universe must be something fundamentally different from the universe. so, when we use rational thinking, we see that from nothing, nothing comes. physics, as powerful as it is, can’t fully explain what’s beyond the physical realm. that’s where philosophy and theology step in, using reason to explore the questions that science can’t answer. the cosmological argument doesn’t just assume its conclusion, it follows from a rational analysis of the nature of causality and existence. and while science is crucial for understanding the physical universe, it’s not equipped to answer every question about reality. that’s why the idea of God as the uncaused cause remains a valid and compelling explanation

[@jurayzscout9432]

So cliff basically said "well you can't say Bible supports slavery because bible actually doing good which is making “good” rules about slavery. Boom! checkmate Conservatives, checkmate liberalism" So making a rules about slavery isn't supporting slavery i guess?

[@ericwilliams1659]

especially since the Bible wasted no time telling us what is wrong and things we should not do. Why didn't it say slavery bad?

[@DownHavenEnt]

Yes. Context. You don't support slavery but I'd assume when someone goes on a murder spree that they should go to prison. In prison you are a slave and you lose rights and freedoms and most of the time, labor for free or labor for very little pay. Should prisoner/slaves have rules on how to be regulated or not? If you were to answer that question, then according to you, you support slavery. To be consistent to your flawed reasoning, no one should lose rights or freedoms for any reason.

[@jurayzscout9432]

@@DownHavenEnt prison isn't slave, prisoners is a prisoners, hence why it's called "prisoners" from the beginning. Stop making simple things complicated just to romanticise slavery

[@DownHavenEnt]

​​@@jurayzscout9432mate. Do your research. If you lose rights and freedoms and work for little to no pay and in a system where they are privately owned. You are a slave. Even In America, looked at the 13th ammendment and get back to me.

[@DownHavenEnt]

​@@jurayzscout9432so wording is the issue with you not the context of what it is? Rights lost, no wage labor and private own prison owners, 13th ammendment, and change the word from slave to prisoner and now it's ok in your argument.

[@swagzilla2564]

Love how cliff actually has to open his bible and Matt can just quote directly 😂😂

[@2l84me8]

Unlike Cliff, Matt has actually read the subject material.

[@supercool32]

​@@2l84me8wrong.

[@jameschapman6559]

Making the Bible and the god of the Bible more loving, caring and moral than what is contained in the Bible. Has always been the way Christianity has brainwashed it followers.

[@vidfreak56]

LOl great fluidity means im a bullshit artist.

[@5SANFRANCISCO]

Dillahunty destroys Cliffe at every turn. It's embarrassing. No wonder he targets college youth.

[@steev708]

Without self deluding, christianity cease to exist

[@notreallydavid]

Regardless of philosophical foundation, any statement about slavery, or the treatment of women, or of enemies, that begins, 'What you have to understand is...' can safely be disregarded.

[@davidreinker5600]

Exodus 21:7-11 is likely referring to a situation where a man wants to marry a woman whose family can't afford any bride-price or dowry. The father sells her to the man so she works as a servant or "slave" for a while instead up of coming up with the dowry or in order to supplement it. Reading on you see if the man no longer is interested in her (if she does not please the master who has selected her for himself) he's broken faith and cannot sell her to anyone else and must let her go free. This is why she is being treated differently than a male slave.

[@cygnusustus]

Welcome to another episode of "Watch The Christian Lie".

[@bigbeans6776]

Not a lie lol look at the eyewitness evidence

[@cygnusustus]

@@bigbeans6776 OK. Show me the eye witness evidence.

[@cygnusustus]

@@bigbeans6776 Nothing? Very well. I accept your concession that you lied about there being eye witness evidence. If you have to lie to support your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs.

[@i.m.petrisor4167]

​@@cygnusustus The eye-witnesses EVIDENCE were the gospels of Jesus Christ. They placed the EVIDENCE in the books of the gospels in the New Testament. They were DYING for what they wrote in the books and for what they claimed to be true. And I know that neither you nor me would DIE for a LIE. To sum up, the eye-witnesses accounts died for their claims of truth and placed the evidence in their books which are now in the bible. Oh and also, if you're interested, one of their claims was that they saw Jesus Christ risen from the dead and that He had appeared to another 500 people. One of the many miracles that Jesus did. Know brother that God doesn't wishes death upon the sinners but them to come back to the Truth and righteusness. Seek forgivness and the all loving God shall grant you forgiveness.

[@samiraabuser]

repent

[@anzawilldie4379]

Is this video before atheist "moral relativism?? I mean, currently Matt Dillahunty is in a relationship with a trans person, and there's nothing wrong with it right Matt?... All of the videos atheist did about slavery, definitely won't age well... 😆

[@joel1110]

Im definitely in the minority here, but the bias in these comments is crazy. At face value without understanding the context of the stories allows people to believe slavery was condoned in the bible. It was never condoned, the fall of man allowed corrupt governments and people to permit slavery, and what is given in the Bible is how you should treat other people in a depraved culture. Remember, one of the greatest miracles of the old testament is the EXODUS of slaves.

[@dmcfarland9760]

Oh Joel, you silly boy. Read Leviticus 25-44-46, then read it again. God himself tells moses to buy his slaves from the heathens about him. To be slaves for life. Property to be handed down to their heirs. This is good old fashioned chattel slavery. Owning people is immoral and God told Moses it's aiight. Btw, the exodus? No evidence of that many hebrews ever being slaves in Egypt. They were slaves to the Persians though, and some archeologists and historians believe they adopted their monotheistic ideas from the Persians. The birth of Judaism.

[@Glasschin2.0]

Is beating people a good way to treat people? Is telling people not to eat shellfish a more important rule , than saying don’t own people as property? Not a single verse in the Bible in both the old and New Testament says that slavery is wrong. The rules in exodus was given to gods chooses people. How can that be a depraved society? Why is there different rules for male Hebrew slaves to female Hebrew and none Hebrew slaves? Why are the rules worse for none male Hebrew slaves?

[@samiraabuser]

​@@Glasschin2.0why's slavery wrong

[@Glasschin2.0]

@@samiraabuser would you want to be a slave ? Would you sell your children into slavery?

[@zJuua_]

​@@samiraabuser are you seriously asking that question?

[@albertoruiz9947]

God did not create slavery. He created us, people with free will. we created slavery. We made the decision to rule over others and dominate one another. If you truly open your heart and mind to look for the existence of GOD, you will come to find just how real he is. And you will also receive understanding of who he is and how he interacts with us, which will clear up the foolish arguments. Humanity is to blame for the evil of this world, not GOD. But again it’s your choice, GOD gives you that freedom. I hope that you (whoever doesn’t believe) will come to find the truth about GOD. I know GOD is true and no one can convince me otherwise. But Consider this my unbelieving friends, if GOD is fake, I lose nothing. But if GOD is real, you loose everything. God bless you.

[@jaydeejohnson7]

Weird how it's never condemned. Eating shellfish and wearing certain fabrics is prohibited

[@frankschwarzbier7168]

Couldn't have said it better, man, may God bless you and your loved ones.

[@jaydeejohnson7]

"man created slavery" god gives regulation "man eats shellfish" god says you shall not Makes sense?

[@ilyassebenana3824]

​@@frankschwarzbier7168stop coping and read the replies

[@samiraabuser]

y'all gotta repent

[@rodseller9936]

Wow. When I realized I was defending immorality, that's when I realized I couldn't believe in it anymore. I realized when I was defending my own racial injustice, I realized I could not be on His side anymore. Yall know you can't defend your faith. Y'all know that Christianity was never a force for justice❤.

[@Hxzaifaaa]

Im a Muslim, slavery is allowed in my scripture, too and Im totally fine with that. But Cliff here is a hypocrite, he tries to twist his own scripture to try and make slavery somehow "not part of God's ultimate plan" its weird and it makes no sense historically either. The New Testament never outright abolished slavery and it was heavily practiced in the East which was predominantly Christian, to go and say that they were misinterpreting scripture or not following the true commands of God is just foolish behaviour

[@badatheist9948]

every honest biblical scholar agrees that slavery is condoned by the bible

[@carter358]

@00:40 "Most fathers don't sell their daughters." Yeah, except in the bible. As a matter of fact, one father named Lot, referred to as Righteous Lot, was willing to give his way to a crowd who wanted to "know" them. Not very righteous of him....

[@magnumopus8202]

If the Bible says I can sell my daughter into slavery (and it does) then that means God is okay with it. Also, if God is okay with it why isn't he? Does he know more than God 🤔?

[@samiraabuser]

we get our morals from God so if God says something is ethical then it is

[@jetset808]

exodus 20 = the ten commandments exodus 21 = Rules on how to treat your Hebrew slaves , this is right after being freed from slavery in Egypt

[@ΠαντελήςΑδριανόςΟικονόμου]

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

[@davidmjackson7784]

How many female rabbis were there in the Old Testament? How many religions throughout history ARE patriarchal? Did Jesus have 6 male and 6 female disciples? When was there ever a female Pope?

[@PaladinYHWH]

Something they didn't mention was that slavery of that time didn't mean the same thing as it did in Egypt or early America for that matter. Gladiator was also a slave and could win his freedom over time. Some gladiators chose to enter themselves to clear debts. Slavery wasn't abuse in every scenario back then. Think more like butlers only some butlers fight some sweep and mop or cook or farm. This was the term used to explain that you're clocking in and not clocking out for a long period of time, either by your will the will of your parents or the will of the person you're in debt to.

[@PaladinYHWH]

Slaves were viewed as lowest working class but not less than human. The extreme cases like Exodus and American history are 2 examples of slavery being abused. Dehumanizing a population and slavery have been made to be related by the history of abusive slave owners but families weren't separated and people were allowed to collect reduced wages in some times of slavery so they could still care for themselves.

[@PaladinYHWH]

For example we have au pairs now. Thats live in maids and babysitters. That's exactly what a slave was back then. Reduces wages for a live in maid. Abusing a slave would be the same as Abusing an Au pair. The problem is back then there was not enough law and order to protect individuals in general. If you weren't caught doing a crime you probably wouldn't get charged with it unless enough people agreed to he suspicious of you.

[@NecearilyPerhaps]

I ain’t seeing to many “Jesus is my savior” comments on this one. The cliffe fans tearing up rn

[@asherloat8570]

Was the beeping sound at the end Cliff's brain turning off?

[@jrcuartz1829]

condone means to disagree in something but still allows it and not stopping it. the bible literally has verse that instructs how to do, not just indebted servitude, but actual "buy-sell-trade-own" type of slavery in leviticus 25:44-46. if this is not PROMOTION of slavery (take note, not indebted servitude) then this is absolutely CONDONING slavery for not just allowing it, but for organizing on how to commit such.

[@josephrankin9406]

Slaves don't get paid.

[@AaronEllisOfficial]

They can be. But still be owned by another person. Therefore not free to themselves, but owned. That's slavery. Doesn't matter if they're being paid or not.

[@ParkorStillIsPirate-ev3sk]

Comparing slavery to capitalism is wild

[@pfflyer3381]

Polyanisch , perfect!

[@anthonyczuchaj5912]

What was the flashed ad

[@TheColeMorrison]

Even though Matt definitely one this, I think it’s important to note the context of the Exodus 21 verse he pulled out. It’s goes on to say “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper's possession.” So would that be an example of the Bible discouraging slavery?

[@KasperKatje]

No, because it clearly mentions "has been sold". If slavery would be prohibited, you wouldn't be able to buy or sell a slave.

[@TheColeMorrison]

@@KasperKatje Yeah it’s basically describing slavery with a certain code of “ethics”

[@prickly-x7o]

Debate an infant instead of Cliff , you will get more intelligent answers.

[@alexalexander9434]

Is it special pleading to say that slavery is wrong except when Matt Dillahunty owns his opponents in a debate

[@danielblair4413]

Our very work system is a form of slavery because we need to work for someone else in order to survive in our society. Try not working for someone else in our society and see how long it takes for you to end up on the street. If you actually think that slavery no longer exists in our society then you are deceiving yourself.

[@ThePlim62]

Theists will go to the most extreme lengths to attempt to twist the words in the scriptures to work in their favour. They always have and will forever do so. What a buffoon of a god who could not communicate clearly and has chosen to not return by NOW to clarify, apologize, explain and correct all the things he so badly dictated and believed to be true over 2000 years ago.

[@testimoniesontheroad5895]

Acts 17:30 “God overlooked people's ignorance about these things in earlier times, but now he commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins and turn to him. Jesus Said: NASB “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He anointed Me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim release to captives, And recovery of sight to the blind, To set free those who are oppressed,

[@3_Degrees]

Rocked 😂

[@danielbretall7147]

He fillets him😂😂😂

[@rodh4554]

😮Cliff!!!! And he falls off one again. Poor cliff🥺

[@dhiegosegundo2303]

While the Bible does contain passages that seem to accept or regulate slavery, many interpreters and scholars argue that the overall message and trajectory of the Bible is opposed to slavery. Here are some reasons why: 1. Imago Dei (Image of God): The Bible teaches that all humans are created in God's image (Genesis 1:26-27), which implies inherent dignity and worth, regardless of race or status. 2. The Exodus narrative: The Israelites' deliverance from slavery in Egypt is a central story in the Bible, highlighting God's concern for the oppressed and marginalized. 3. Leviticus 25:39-43: This passage limits the duration of slavery and promotes the release of slaves, contradicting the common practices of the time. 4. Jesus' teachings: Jesus emphasized love, compassion, and equality, challenging the social hierarchies of his time (e.g., Matthew 22:37-40, Luke 10:25-37). 5. Paul's writings: While Paul addressed slavery in his letters (e.g., Philemon, Ephesians 6:5-9), his emphasis on equality and unity in Christ (e.g., Galatians 3:28) laid groundwork for later abolitionist arguments. 6. The early Christian church: The church's practice of communal sharing and care (Acts 2:44-45, 4:32-35) reflects a commitment to economic and social equality. It's important to acknowledge that the Bible's teachings on slavery are complex and have been interpreted in various ways throughout history. However, many Christians and scholars argue that the Bible's overall message promotes human dignity, equality, and freedom. The Bible's teachings on rape and marriage are complex and have been subject to various interpretations. The passage you're referring to is likely Deuteronomy 22:28-29, which says: "If a man finds a virgin who is not engaged and takes hold of her and lies with her, and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days." This passage is often misunderstood and misinterpreted. Here's why: 1. Historical context: This law was given to protect the victim, not the rapist. In ancient cultures, a woman's virginity was highly valued, and rape could leave her unmarried and shamed. 2. Consent: The passage assumes the woman did not consent to sexual relations. The phrase "takes hold of her" implies force or coercion. 3. Support and provision: The law requires the rapist to provide for the victim financially (fifty shekels of silver) and marry her, ensuring her economic security and social standing. 4. Protection from further exploitation: By marrying the rapist, the woman was protected from further exploitation and stigma. 5. Not a prescription for modern times: This law was specific to ancient Israelite culture and is not a prescription for modern societies. It's essential to understand this passage within its historical and cultural context, recognizing its intent to protect the victim while acknowledging its limitations and differences from modern values and laws.

[@KasperKatje]

Exodus was the only time god was against slavery because it was about the enslavement of his chosen people by another nation. Enslavement of people from other nations by the Israelites themselves was OK: Leviticus 25:44-46. (the verses you skipped because it states you could keep them for life!) Consent wasn't even considered. The grape mentioned in the bible is a property crime against the fiancee/husband and not about the victim. You could forcefully marry captured and bought virgins and grape them because sex within marriage wasn't considered grape.

[@KasperKatje]

But I am glad you point at historical and cultural context because it were just the laws and morals of the Israelites back then. That's why Christians can't claim morality is absolute/objective and their god the standard.

[@cygnusustus]

"many interpreters and scholars argue that the overall message and trajectory of the Bible is opposed to slavery" Yes, many Christians repeat this lie. "The Bible teaches that all humans are created in God's image (Genesis 1:26-27), which implies inherent dignity and worth" It implies no such thing child. In fact, the implication of the Bible is that all humans deserver eternal torture merely for the act of being born. That's what original sin is about. "The Israelites' deliverance from slavery in Egypt is a central story in the Bible" No, it is ONE story, child. Followed immediately by other stories telling them it is OK to enslave other people. "Leviticus 25:39-43: This passage limits the duration of slavery and promotes the release of slaves" ...for fellow Israelites, which was similar to the laws of surrounding nations. But non-Hebrew enslavement was not limited, and non-Hebrew slaves were never releases. "This law was given to protect the victim" No, it was given to protect the financial interests of the father. "The passage assumes the woman did not consent to sexual relations" THe laws are not concerned with consent. "By marrying the rapist, the woman was protected from further exploitation and stigma." Nope. In fact, it makes furthere exploitation of her legal. "Not a prescription for modern times" So God's laws are not objective? If you have to lie to support your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs.

[@drthiago99]

It’s immoral to own humans but having Matt own cliff is moral?

[@yahyaelsawa534]

I consider why the Christian chops to do slavery on the name of Jesus

[@ganglestank]

You can’t preserve the entire bible as a moral work. It’s written by human beings. Those human beings may have had divine influence but that doesn’t make them moral beings. I would imagine god would not discriminate in who “he” reveals himself to, if he wants to save anyone.

[@mauganra2589]

This is the point that almost all atheists miss, as well as Christians or religious people. It’s foolish for either of them to assume because someone wrote something down thousands of years ago, that it is somehow representative of what the creator of the universe wants. Maybe God did speak to some of them, but certainly not all.

[@madmyc6836]

You guys are moving the goal posts. The guy is an apologist claiming that the Bible is the literal word of god while simultaneously claiming that the book doesn’t condone slavery when it obviously does. If you want to believe in some sort of creator no one is saying there is anything wrong with that. What is being disputed here is Christian theology which claims that the Bible is the infallible literal word of god and it condones slavery among other atrocities such as discrimination of lgbtq+ people and blatant misogyny.

[@ganglestank]

@@madmyc6836 I never said that at all. I never said I agreed or disagreed with ANYTHING in this video besides a literal interpretation of the bible

[@derekallen4568]

Lol seems like god only spoke to men, except once when he spoke to Mary, and said, "I'm going to impregnate you."

[@smacksumbody]

@@madmyc6836. Great work. How they always leave out their god is supposed to be all powerful?🤦🏾‍♂️

[@filmfactsxpress]

is Cliffe really defending slavery? who says it's immoral? you're kidding right?

[@ronaldonwoke2004]

No wonder the Bible got so many updates, the book gets outdated

[@CorinthianLaw]

Everyone needs to learn how to research. Simple Academic Research. Find multiple sources from multiple DIFFERING points of views and draw your own conclusions from there. This is a terrible clip because it cuts out a good chunk of Cliffe argument while being 90% Matt speaking, which this comment section would know if the did 15 minutes of research. Also, Matt here was jumping from topic to topic without investigating a topic for more than one question which is HORRIBLE for debating and untrue to yourself as someone who supposedly has an open mind. Stop being fed opinions by people. PERIOD. Think for yourself people.

[@cygnusustus]

Ok buddy. What did Cliffe leave out?

[@anthonyczuchaj5912]

Aye yo stop flashing messages in between the videos, I don't want to buy your crap. Also this feels edited, what was the real video

[@dbz24]

Cliff, silenced

[@El-Dorado930]

I own people At street fighter and world of warcraft PVP

[@Greg-n6t]

Read the book richest man in babylon

[@jessewhite2879]

Who’s the moral relativist now😂 apparently god’s objective morality really fluctuates with the times i guess

[@Steve-in-the-uk]

Cliffe spouting his usual tap dancing bull shit

[@michealmeadows7366]

Dishonest clipping on your part.

[@sethhornaday5943]

Cliff is a little dense 😂

[@peaceandfood7952]

Probably, probably, probably...lol probably the dad wanted to sell his daughter because he wanted a new dodge...i can do it too...

[@prickly-x7o]

Hey Cliff the clown where did Cains wife come from?????

[@affebanane3039]

There is a difference between telling a story and saying that what happend in this story is good. The bible doesn't state slavery is good or is condoned. There are verses that clearly state it is not okay you can look it up

[@jaydeejohnson7]

Where?

[@affebanane3039]

@@jaydeejohnson7 bible

[@jaydeejohnson7]

@@affebanane3039 where?

[@affebanane3039]

@@jaydeejohnson7 bible

[@jaydeejohnson7]

@@affebanane3039 got it. You don't know

[@bryfryable]

Slavery was revolutionized, not abolished, because the new propper form of it (that God is actually for) was too economically beneficial to the poor. It gave them a way out of their situation.

[@ilyassebenana3824]

So you agree that we should bring back slavery and legalise it everywhere around the world as a way of helping the poor right? Because this is the idea you're undirecty preaching

[@EscapeOblivion45]

It never condones slavery at all … foolish absolutely

[@Axesmed]

Exodus 21:2-4 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free."

[@cygnusustus]

Chattel slavery is defined as "the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work. Another definition is: "The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude." Leviticus 25 explicitly describes and condones chattel slavery. "44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour." If you have to lie to protect your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs.

[@EscapeOblivion45]

No one has to lie to protect everything god is right. And slavery was not the same as American slavery you may think if you’ve heard of the Roman Empire they were 70% slaves including doctors and judicial positions. When slavery was very prominent and incorrect god ordered the Israelites to take slaves BUT as a brother under god and when they accept god they are to be free as a brother under god. It was a way to get humans out of slavery in a working progress which ….. in most cases worked. There is very little slavery compared to back then. If you don’t understand I would do more research 🧐

[@cygnusustus]

@@EscapeOblivion45 "No one has to lie to protect everything god is right." Then why do you constantly lie about slavery in the Bible? 🤔 "slavery was not the same as American slavery" Liar. Under Mosaic law, foreign slaves were chattel slaves. They could be bought, sold, separated from their families, beaten, raped, killed, kept for life, and passed down as inherited property. Every specific reference to foreign slaves in the Bible is to deny them rights and protections afforded to Hebrew slaves. The treatment of foreign slaves was every bit as bad, or worse, than slavery in the Antebellum south. "When slavery was very prominent and incorrect god ordered the Israelites to take slaves BUT as a brother under god and when they accept god they are to be free as a brother under god." Liar. There are not verses to support this. "If you don’t understand I would do more research" I know it far better than you child. That is why I don't have to make up lies. If you have to lie to defend your beliefs, is it time to get new beliefs.

[@EscapeOblivion45]

@@cygnusustus I am not lying I’m saying historical fact you don’t know that is why you are derogatory which is an indicator of ignorance. Everything I said is supported by the book. Because you mention rape and other handouts crimes , the book NEVER once says this is good so that is a fallacy it is only speaking what happened but that is not the message of why. Read Leviticus. Foreign slaves were doing infanticide , rape and homosexuality so when they were enslaved it’s protecting that from spreading and once they accept god they were free and the cases where the Israelites made mistakes and sinned such as rape well…. We all know humans aren’t perfect god never once says this good that is something you must know because you can’t say it is good. I suggest you read the book with a helper or go to school it takes years and years and years to understand and it requires help. Deuteronomy ? You must read and understand these friend. Or book your ticket

[@carter358]

@00:06 "narrow minded liberal" is an oxymoron.

[@BrynPimlott-bo9op]

Big respect for Matt u can see the embarrassment on the disgusting old man

[@celinejohnston3694]

Matt put cliff in his place.

[@DanFedMusic]

I'm just curious how a non-all knowing person such as Mat would know what an all-knowing being should do.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Because an all-knowing being should be able to do a better job of communicating what it wants. It also should have known the serpent would corrupt Eve, that it would come to regret creating humans. Not so all knowing, eh?

[@DanFedMusic]

@@brunozeigerts6379 Remember that God grants people the freedom to choose. Despite being all-knowing, He sometimes chooses not to foresee certain events, hoping that individuals will make the right decisions. This is evident in the stories of Adam and Eve, as well as the angel who became Satan. We can see this pattern in the case of Jonah and the people of Nineveh. Initially, God intended to bring judgment upon them, so He sent Jonah with a message. However, when the people repented, God chose not to execute His initial plan. He could have foreseen their change of heart, but He didn’t. Furthermore, consider Jesus and His apostles. Jesus spent a whole night in prayer to God, seeking guidance. God could have warned Him not to choose Judas as one of His disciples. However, Judas initially appeared faithful and only later changed. God could have known this in advance but chose not to. It’s essential to note that it wouldn’t make sense for God to create humans, knowing they would fail, and then send His own son to endure a terrible death. As for understanding what God desires from people, His intentions are revealed throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.

[@dazzag]

I'm curious why an all knowing and loving God would create a parasite that has a single purpose, and that is to bore into the eyes and cause people (the vast majority being innocent children) agony and eventual blindness.

[@Wheres_the_money_lebowski]

​@@DanFedMusicthe babble is the claim not the evidence. People are allowed to find fault in the strange actions of your god, walk a children's cancer ward and then tell us all how great the sociopath that you worship is.

[@DanFedMusic]

@@dazzag All the unfortunate events occurring in the world, including issues stemming from our imperfect genetic makeup and our mismanagement of Earth’s resources, can be seen as a consequence of humanity’s pursuit of independence from a higher power, often referred to as God. Even if someone denies the existence of God, they still face the same challenges,, only without any hope of resolution.

[@Por_El_Camino_Es_Ex_Test-pd2un]

THE ATHEIST HIT HIM LIKE AN ALABAMA DRUM OVER AND OVER