Roger Deakins Secret To Cinematic Lighting?

[@Legendary_Tales]

Hey, Matti! About for "down" lighting onto the Muslin... Consider placing the muslin at 45° to the floor. Look closely at Deacon's photos with Judi dench. The muslin is angled 45°. If you did that, you could put the light stands behind your muslin and away from your talent. I really love that somebody respected and popular in the videography space on KZbin is talking about advanced lighting techniques like this. BRAVO!🎉

[@NicholsBlauner]

so to go off the Judi Dench example, the lights are placed behind the muslin / diffusion material, and when shined through the frames, the light still has a nice soft upward bounce? I am curious if at higher intensities if the light will penetrate the diffusion and not angle up as much

[@mitchell.95]

So so appreciate your humility in sharing these things as you learn them. Truly helps the rest of us learn alongside you.

[@pdawggity]

hey matti, this is one of the best videos you've made. because you are learning, we are learning. i know u been feeling discouraged with youtube lately and want to do more. but stuff like this is more. if you want to start a cinematic journey and are getting into more feature films and stuff like that, do it. just bring us around with you.

[@rychusandbonita]

It's so cool to see how experimenting with lighting techniques can change the mood of the look. Also it shows that there is no limit to lighting. Out of the 2 cove lights, I preferred the cove lighting pointing up as it's more dramatic. Thanks for sharing Matti

[@mattih]

Yea I think I settle too fast with lighting but should really experiment and try more things!

[@vijayfitness1723]

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[@ErisedMediaCo]

Can’t wait for future videos. I like that youre getting back to this type of content. I’ve missed it and most other people have stopped talking about the basics and just talk gear.

[@mattih]

Yea me included 😔 turning down most embargo gear videos

[@ErisedMediaCo]

@@mattih well at least you are making an effort to break away from that stuff. It hasn’t gone unnoticed and is really appreciated!

[@YeahWhiplash]

Love the direction you're taking your KZbin channel. I felt like I watched a lot of your content a few years ago, then I started working on set in the industry and it wasn't as useful to me. Seeing your new adventure trying to get more into narrative cinematography has brought me right back

[@J_HNP]

Great example of how much value we get out of experimentation. A few things I thought about while watching this video: 1) “Uplight” is not the correct term in my opinion. If you were pointing the lights directly at you from that angle, it would be uplight. But since the light is bouncing and diffracting at many angles, you are really getting lit from all over (bottom and top), replicating the natural environment, but in a more controlled way. 2) I find that cove lighting is best for narrative work where talent may be moving around. It also helps control the fall off when you want to have very tight control of ratios. 3) With talking head/interviews, cove lighting requires too much flagging to control the environment for my taste. Thanks for sharing! Looked like a lot of fun.

[@TheFilmGuyOfficial]

Hey matti, the reason why the uplighting works better in this situation is 1. because of the angle, it dosnt hit the background as much, do it provides more of a purposeful feeling edge on you. 2. the way the face is structured lighting from underneath creates more shadows and definition on the face in a micro scale, because their is more blocking the light from hitting everything, look at. your lips and the shadow formed on them, look at how your eyes still maintain good contrast. its all about depth.

[@Babsdoproductions]

Put the C-stands behind the muslin, boom the lights out overhead and spin them around to aim down at the muslin, simple fix for having the stands clogging the light path. This is a good all around technique for the reason you found where you could move around the room and it still looks naturally and evenly lit.

[@nathanksimpson]

13:50 that’s that sweet spot between clearly lit and motivated. 15:38 Looks more motivated by the window.

[@ibrahimal-khalaf8008]

This is actually amazing to learn. Love that it’s so simple.

[@kahlilvillias2630]

Wow I love where this channel is going. Hated all the pushing random gear. So happy you’re diving into deeper aspects of film.

[@robwattclips]

hey matti, looks decent, the angle of the muslin matters for the angle of bounced light, you can allow is to curve down onto the floor like an exponential curve for a better light wrap, or you can have muslin bounces on frames at 30to45degrees on c-stands creating the cove light wrap. Glad you're bringing this to your audience. excellent job

[@cinematic_monkey]

This is just 100% Roger Deakins. So amazing.

[@cwarfield]

Love this format…the viewers learning along with you. Super fun

[@martinekwall4671]

Excellent example of how a light can be softer but contrastier at the same time. Really cool! 🙏

[@GlenAndFriendsCooking]

I did a job with Deakins - 25 years ago - I was too young and dumb to actually pay attention to what he was doing. Definitely one of those scenarios where I wish I could have a do-over.

[@ZdenkaDarula]

Loved this video and playing with lights. I used to do that so much when I used to shoot fashion... now I am lazy but it is nice to see someone else to do it. One thing though... why manual focus? The constant out of focus drives me nuts... lol

[@JonasBecker]

Love this, 22 minutes feeling like 5 because of your excitement! It feels like the beginning days of camera youtube, where people just showed off what they learned today, instead of making perfectly scritped tutorials which feel like they were built for retention. Would love to see more of those vids just testing stuff out. Much love! :)

[@jeffreybuoncristiano]

i love cove lighting and Roger Deakins. I used to use it all the time for my studio shots! I might bring it back!

[@matsefcik]

Lewis Potts has some great videos on lighting and I think he did one on Deakin's cove set-up. Really enjoying this type of content, Matti!

[@thejiggy]

Yeah, Lewis’ channel is great too

[@philippegden9826]

One of your best films in recent history, even past history. I like the direction you've taken this channel!

[@AbroadinJapan]

Enjoyed this from start to finish mate. Super interesting stuff! Looking forward to seeing what wonders you can pull off with that Arri.

[@MarioCornejo-lc3rg]

holy moly

[@omarelsayed989]

Sorry for being too honest, but after almost 4 years of watching your videos, I'm finally starting to feel like you're making real videos rather than "trying" to make videos with some ads, Your last videos are full of very useful stuff and I'm thankfull for you sharing this, keep it up

[@wavensdorvad]

So much nuances. So much personality and personal preferences and feelings in photography and cinematography

[@KristianRoald]

Do more of these nerdie videos Matti! Time flies when watching. Super interesting 🙂👌🏻

[@WhySteve]

The "uplighting" thing is something I always think about when people say "never use a bounce card from the bottom but rather from the top to fill" but then I always think to myself, "but don't our shadows get filled from light bouncing from the ground though?"

[@AManWhoWasntThere]

Good point. I think as long as it's just fill and less powerful than the key light it should look pretty natural, right? I remember in The Hateful 8 Tarantino & his DP did a lot of bounce light off table surfaces when characters sit down at the table and it looks great...

[@WhySteve]

Exactly! I think the uplighting in The Hateful 8 also contributed to how conspicuous the characters are.

[@UrbanExplosionsGuy]

love this. deconstructing and re-creating scenes from movies was always a good practice for me.

[@TheEliasNoel]

Super helpful especially for low budget shooting when there isn’t a lot of time for setting up over and over.

[@devoncooperco]

This was an epic watch from the start to finish. I was very interested and loved the way you compared it all. Cove lighting for the win.

[@NikHem343]

you have great on-screen chemistry with yourself, I don’t know how else to say it

[@GreggoryMiller]

This was so useful! I work for a fully digital church, and live streaming is a large aspect of our production. Lighting in a smaller studio space has been a challenge, and I want to try to implement what I can from this. Thanks Matti!

[@frasertomsfilm]

great video man - for me it's 2 big things - 1. Noses. Noses when I'm lighting w/ lights I'm never happy with the shadows and this completely eliminates that - probably many people don't mind or care, but it's just an observation that it's much more flattering for nose shadows. 2. Up or down direction isn't going to matter much (in my opinion) for the look since the cloth is a a big source - it's more about where the spot hits the cloth vs where the spot comes from. I think Deakins adjusts this primarily based on the location. I say that because they look very much the same to me and I've seen his setups for both and I think its the convenience regarding where you can put the physical lights. 2 behind the scenes that are popular of his is one where it's low in a kitchen with 2 actors (decaprio?) and another where the lights are high w/ Judy Dench sitting on a couch. The only caveat to that is in the couch scene w/ Judy the actual cloth/reflectors are themselves angled up which WOULD change the vibe much more-so than where the actual lights themselves are if that makes sense. Anyway, this is the best way to learn is to actually do it.

[@SamNadeau]

I love tutorials like this that are more experimental, especially when it comes to lighting. It really helped me look at lighting in a different way!

[@WeddingVideographerMelbourne]

This is probably one of the best lighting experiments/breakdowns I've seen! Love how in depth you went 🙏

[@behzadbabri]

hands up if u think gear DOES MATTER!

[@hylox]

I always lit my talking heads from down below just because I wore a cap most of the time and I would've had a big shadow hitting my face but something about this uplighting always resonated with me very well. Now I finally know why- thank you :)

[@FedericoSantaCruz]

Amazing how much of a difference the covelighting facing up makes.. it's so moody, I love it. Thanks for sharing!

[@LOMISFILM]

Love your style man. Genuine curiosity & passion without any ego whatsoever. Can't wait for more.

[@mbusoguma5504]

Uplight works well with a practical light like a lamb. Works great with a dinner scene. It's cool

[@davidmultimedia2024]

It looks amazing indeed..Great comparison Matti! I freaking LOVE covelighting! I'm also using RGBWW lights, which allows me to introduce any RGB tone into my white light. It's another step to make your artificial lighting look even more natural by also emulating color reflections as they naturally happen in real life. The light coming from your window is actually a blend of hard sunlight and soft blue sky, which are both also reflected from grass, etc.. and then enters your room and bounces off walls and other surfaces. At the end, the light that hits the subject is very ''unique'' and no softbox pointed directly at it will ever look the same way. You can set slightly different CCT/Tint to create a gradient on the muslin wall. Again, little subtleties that really go a long way!

[@FilmByKyle]

Your skin tones look really great with the fill on the left side of your face (screen). Definitely will use this set up!

[@CTOLARSSON]

Ah very interesting! Also mindblowing how much effort goes into lighting a scene in movies.

[@BransenPass]

Didn’t think there would be that much of a difference between the up and down cove lighting. That’s great knowledge to have on set. Thanks!

[@marcusmezzano]

As a fellow cinematographer, I loved this missed focus, dead mic, “janky” video lol Loved seeing you play. We don’t always have to have perfect production especially for KZbin 🔥🤙🏼

[@sternschnupper]

totally love that you're just trying everything out, to see what happens! and that upward cove light is indeed magic! big thanks, very informative, indeed learned a ton!

[@DiceDragondnd]

i love this shift in your content Matti! Video idea: break down of famous shots from latest movie (light wise).

[@pdawggity]

plz do this!

[@HeyThisIsAndrew]

I like the dim look at the start of the video definitely want to try it because it looked more unique than typical KZbin videos

[@dm.b7560]

One of the best videos you've done so far.

[@iConspicturez]

Lighting setup is very essential

[@portodbs]

It’s crazy how much light changes everything. Great video I’ll try to work on my lighting a lot more after watching this.

[@josephfriedman614]

I found this video very helpful in showing me what the 2nd farther, more distant, light can do to create a more sculpted look. It's something I had in the back of my mind but never tried out when I actually set up interview lighting on location. So thanks for that. Particularly if you have a window in the background, as you have here, for motivation of that light.

[@eugenheller4182]

I love how excited you get about what you do. It really makes me want to create as well. Crazy. 😊😊👍🏼 Have a wonderful day Matti

[@mattih]

🙏🏻 😊

[@EricAlanMedia]

DUDE THIS IS AMAZING! That big rig would make a great big time logo!

[@CrossCory]

Interesting! The cove lighting is very cool, also much better on the glasses glare

[@afewmominutes]

Great video, very helpful seeing the differences. One difference I notice between uplighting vs downlighting was the shade from your cap, the uplighting provides more light to your upper face. I wonder if we'd see as much of a difference if you were hatless. Interesting stuff, thanks for this!

[@lachlanstamp4203]

I'm pretty sure I remember Deakins saying on the forum he lights from the ground mostly from convenience of not having the stands. It's funny how convenience can be mistaken as stylistic intent. I'm sure its a mix of both though. As you said, maybe he knows what he's doing! Love these videos mate. I reckon I could experiment with lighting all day and it's fun to geek with creatives like you. I'd love to see these tests in a full wide shot with multiple characters. That's where the real challenge is.

[@AutoFOCUSED.]

Your talking head looks phenomenal. Haven't watched the video yet but have it on pause. Love the color grade as well.

[@Nimbussunshine]

Oh! This is nice. Can't wait for the rest of the series!

[@samueljwalter]

videos that test things in real time are some my favorites. Thanks for sharing! Do you think there would be much a difference if the two softbox lighting was lowered and angled upwards? Similar to the first cove lighting setup? Maybe not practical due to the size of the softboxes...

[@mattih]

That woulda been a great thing to try! Curious how it looks. But the cove definitely made things soooo much more natural looking.

[@michaelloveschannel]

This was awesome thanks for taking the time to document this Matti!

[@AlonsoArayaAudiovisual]

Watched it entirely. Great exercise. Thank you.

[@zimmhone]

I dunno, the last shot immediately made me think ‘Gone Girl’ 😅. Which is is friggin amazing that you recreated how to capture that vibe!!! Everyone thinks ‘slap on a lit’ and you just proved the nuance in the little things that make perfection

[@zimmhone]

As in, you have shown how lighting can effect mood. No other video exists that illustrates this so simply. Kudos

[@zidfilms]

i really like the cove uplight does to ur face. somehow makes it more cinematic like im watching leonardo acting haha

[@jahzzii7]

my favorite video already!

[@hitmakerzmedia]

Proper lighting is so important!👌🏽

[@mattih]

So true! That’s why I wanna play around way more with lighting 😊

[@anthonywowv1142]

This video is Gold!! Thank you Matti

[@PeaLoop]

Great format to explore and share as you learn! Refreshing.

[@chris_sparrows]

If you put c-stands behind the fabric and put the lights on an arm it would get them out of the way for the down angle, but I see what you mean about the uplight version, it has more dimension. Cove lighting might take longer to set up initially, but being able to move around in the space should make for a faster shoot once you get going. Appreciate you taking us along on this journey.

[@mattih]

Yea that’s a good point but that means way more c stands which I don’t have 😂 Yes exactly! More setup but then saves tons of time later. I really like it.

[@chris_sparrows]

@@mattih I only have one c-stand myself. 😂 Really surprised about how pleasing and not distracting the reflection in your glasses was.

[@mm216yours]

@@mattih Please tell me what lens u had used at 14:25, I love how it looks. sorry for being annoying i just wanna buy that lens asap

[@samuelguce]

always love learning from Dawkins' approach - top tier

[@JV_Automotive]

love the newly found enthusiasm ❤

[@rickymcc9072]

Hi Matti, the 'Roger Deakins cove look' is an interesting approach that I might try to experiment with (albeit I need to get a few more lights to do that properly). One observation though is that you probably need quite a lot more power overall, relative to the slightly blown (pretty distracting) window highlight at top right. IMO it's gone well beyond motivated light and into a bright distraction in the corner. OK, I'm a newbie to videography, so probably don't really have the experience to call it. But, I'm an experienced stills photographer, attempting to upskill myself in the technical arts of filmmaking. I always tried (when shooting stills) to ensure that the brighter areas, which the eye is naturally drawn towards, are the main subject and face. Typically my lighting goal was to try to avoid bright highlights at the edges, corners and keep the brightest area on subjects and preferably face(s). An all soft light approach can look flat and boring, but soft directional lighting, coming from an angle, especially with an additional backlight or rim light (so called 3-point), adds visual depth, interest, subject separation and a 3D modelling effect. Having a range of tones with some dark pools adds variety, but the brightest areas should ideally be where we want to direct viewer's attention. For sure it's more complex in videography as naturally one's eye is also drawn to faces, eyes in particular (if big enough) plus movement within the frame. Certain colours too and a source of speaking will also help command attention. One may also direct attention via composition, framing and leading lines. No absolute wrong or right - just different styles and preferences. In your example, perhaps part closing a window blind or using a large ND gel (over the window) may also help compensate by cutting some of the window light intensity vs the cove lighting. That wouldn't then need as much power into the cove, assuming one can open the aperture as wanted (balancing intensities with NDs and ISO as required). Clearly as a newbie, I probably don't yet know what I'm talking about, as well as needing to invest in a few more lights, need to experiment and grow my experience. I have lots of strobes (not much good for videography) from my stills days but currently only one COB - an Amaran 200x S, just bought. Yet my multiple stands, reflectors, soft boxes, miscellaneous grip kit from stills use should help augment lighting in film. I'm minded to buy one or two more 200X s heads and also consider an Amaran 150/300c for use as background fill or FX. I have several smaller panel LEDS and a couple of tubes too that might be useful as background accents or help act as OOF motivated sources together with any domestic room lights that one might find in any given room/space.

[@carrothersr]

This was great - I like this format. Good direction for the channel!

[@lukascampen]

Love that you created this video with less focus on dropping the latest tech everyone needs to buy and more focus on the actual craft. Well done! Personally I feel like lightingwise you did the second step before the first, which would be to have motivated lighting. Having the windowlight in a different color temperature and no other visible potential source for the keylight, this kinda looks fake - no matter how soft you get the light.

[@MichealBeaulieu]

It's all about ratios. You can have all the lights in the world, biggest, smallest, brightest, but the key thing is we need to be concerned about isn't what key light you want to use, but balance, more or less is up to you.

[@PaulGarrisonIV]

Yessss Matti!!! I’m loving this journey you’re on, I’ve been playing with cove lighting from the beginning when I took a deep dive into roger deakins

[@nikokurvinen]

Epic ! Good Work Matti. Really enjoy your content 🔥

[@harryaliv3992]

Loving these kind of videos❤️

[@drmatthewhorkey]

This was an AWESOME video. Thanks for the experiment

[@OlafBlomerus]

Really appreciate this deep dive. Hugely informative. Thank you!

[@Alex-Estilo]

I really loved this video. Thanks!

[@paranormaltv2478]

Awesome test, you have defiantly given us a lot of food for thought, great video Matti!

[@kevinfigs]

Love it! Which camera & lens did you use to film this KZbin video?

[@YOUAREMYKIN]

Loving this new direction in your channel 😎

[@neilmcnasty]

Without a doubt the most useful and informative channel of it's kind! Salute to you Matti! Your work is awesome and can be enjoyed by everyone. No matter how much (or little) experience the viewer has, there is always valuable information! The magic comes from your enthusiasm and it is contagious! Inspiring, demystifying and motivating.

[@samuelcallen.]

Great film Matti!! Learnt a lot! Love these lighting films👏👏

[@erick_fernandez_78910]

Just set up a tent outdoors 😂 - perfect top lighting…(love the cinematic lighting ideas here)

[@_TheShepherd]

Matti, it would be neat to bring in a professional to see how they'd light the exact same shot. Really cool comparison. Thank you!

[@EZfilms622]

This was a very fun video to watch!

[@dvntsmh]

What's very interesting to me is the difference in the picture quality between the arri and a7siii. Could you do a video on how to get the arri look using a sony camera. If even at all possible? What gear you'd need and editing techniques?

[@ConradIacobellis]

Loved the video. Even though I don't have the equipment you do, this opened my eyes to potential new lighting setups. Thanks, Matti!

[@markovichi_]

Very impresive dude, this channel is now on another level

[@mattih]

Thanks man 🙏🏻 I’m just learning and having fun

[@GatesRick]

Cove lighting also gives you a little more freedom with camera location. You can move the camera within the cove and it won't generate as many shadows.

[@lemmonsinmyeyes]

I’m interested if you make more videos like this, very informative!

[@bharathiraja5832]

Love this try ❤❤❤ more than that it has Roger Deakins on it 🎉🎉🎉

[@Jakechams]

Its insane to me that such minimal changes can impact the lighting so so much. Great video friend.

[@dvntsmh]

So coool! Love it 👏🏽

[@emmanuelnkwocha1275]

Hey matti great start, i would recommended bext time to think about your ratios and adding a little bit of room tone ! I think the levels on your face is slightly to dark for the overall tone ! Especially with the window camera right

[@jeromegreenberg4202]

Would love to see a version of the same test you did but at night using a prac in shot motivating the source and possible street light through a window etc. great vid thanks bro

[@WillStreets]

Good lighting is good color grading

[@mattih]

Haha not the same thing at all! But both are important