Final Fight Revenge - What Happened?

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Electronic Gaming Monthly Vol 99
Capcom Studio 8 closed down via GameDeveloper.com - www.gamedevelo...
GameFan Magazine #83
Tren Kaniuga reveals cancelled De Vargas - / 1224798424551182337
Final Fight Revenge Art via Fighter's Generation - www.fightersge...
Video Sources:
Street Fighter II Arcade Footage By Long 'N Play - • Street Fighter II: The...
AVGN Final Fight clip via Cinemassacre - • Bad Final Fight Games ...
Sega Saturn Commercial via GamingRevoluton.it - • Sega Saturn - "Fly Pla...
#whathappened #finalfight #fightinggames

[@MattMcMuscles]

SMALL CORRECTION: Meant to say "Sea Bass Fishing" instead of "Sega Bass Fishing" which ran on the Model 3, and not the Titan. Apologies for the mixup.

[@tracyndiyob162]

think alongside being a milestone title,as fun as 2 & 3 are do remember hearing some fans were less interested as it went on so it likely cut the new characters outside ending cameos going back to the one that sold a bit more.

[@HYPNOGLANCE87]

Still a great game show recap of how a game would of performed better on other hardware with great content within it like unlockable artwork and commercial ads from the FF games would of been great on the ps1.Keep up the great work matt.

[@andreperez8961]

FYI, at 14:54 you have a cover of Shonen Jump, not Famitsu. Small nitpick. Amazing video, as always!

[@FallenGemini]

Another correction you should add is that you meant "Sunnyvale," not "Sunnydale" at the 4:12 minute mark. ;)

[@bookerplayer01]

Geeze. I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

[@jordan20910]

I should make a Wha Happun Capcom Bingo Card with stuff like : - Keiji Inafune ruining - Fighting Game - Western Developers - Free Space - Not Experienced Enough - Ahead of it's time And so much more I could think of.

[@juanjuri6127]

free space could be "devs get kneecapped by inexplicable upper management decisions"

[@fictionfan3699]

With the amount of time Keiji Inafune has caused problems, it's starting to make sence to me why MN9 was a disaster.

[@aaronhussey8522]

A few more to add to the list: - Executives being greedy - Limitations on the dev team - Ambitious devs - Terrible PR and damage control - Eye-opening Interviews

[@Mene0]

"Engine switch" mid development is always a good one

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

- Contractual obligations - Game in a storied, famous franchise, treated as an afterthought - Arcade game, released during the arcade's decline - Higher-ups being shitheads

[@nashtonenigma4014]

with this game it's less a "what happened" and more a "why happened"

[@animationdude9]

This is painfully accurate

[@patrickblakethesaint]

Power Stone

[@timmyd151]

I got one better "who happened"

[@KaneQuacks]

Still waiting for the "when dunnit"

[@85walterrulez]

Why Happun?

[@emilysong2000]

How I have missed the classic running gag of Matt referencing how often Capcom games are featured on What Happened! For all of you keeping track, this is the 22nd Capcom-related episode of What Happened (or 23rd if you count the Capcom Mega Compilation video that Matt made a while ago).

[@Ash0512]

THIS BETTER BE ON THE MAIN STAGE FOR EVO 2025

[@CodeNameX001]

This also seems like the perfect video to mention that Capcom released it's newest survey, which it'a using to gauge interest in older IPs, so we need to get as many people to take the survey if we want to see the return of a BUNCH of forgotten titles.

[@evdomos]

Fun fact, CAPCOM backwards is MOCPAC.

[@carldzoga1348]

"Ya mock Pac's songs, you Mockavellie, get your own identity"!

[@dingohunter4114]

The missouri conservative poltical action confrence.

[@danzaragoza001]

Big if true

[@tonybarnes2920]

Fun fact: post Strider, I pitched a lot of things like Forgotten Worlds, Ghosts & Goblins and even Powerstone. The one thing they REALLY wanted was a new Final Fight.

[@frankiebecchi5307]

Do you think they would bring final fight back in some form if pitched now?

[@BasementBrothers]

My brother and I bought the Saturn version from Game Cave at a discount for I think $19.99 back in the day. I almost opened it, but my brother informed me the game requires a ram expansion cart, which we did not have. That's why we still to this day own a sealed copy of this game.

[@ToolTalkChannel]

Is that an auto correct perchance?.. could that have meant Game Cage? Or Crazy? (Game Cage became Game Crazy)… just asking cause I ran into a dude a GameStop the other night and reminisced… If not, is that some local place?

[@BasementBrothers]

@@ToolTalkChannelIt was a mail order place that advertised in magazines, only did new games. The name got changed in its last years.

[@malachitep4276]

damn, that's a hell of a nest egg you're sitting on turns out lol

[@ratchetxtreme6591]

Now here’s a wha happun that’s been long anticipated if you’re a n avid watcher of this channel.

[@thedesensitizedsympathizer5307]

I see you got your Copy back from the AVGN.

[@gloriousbeast2548]

After seeing the case and disc slowly almost wither away, lol

[@sleepykirbo6392]

That AVGN cameo was very much unexpected one, yet welcome

[@oldmancebi]

Pretty funny if you've watched the AVGN Final Fight video! Matt gets screwed over haha!

[@NanaKyoto]

Sheesh, how many times has this show brought up Capcom games now? And even if Final Fight Revenge DID get a Western Saturn release, it would likely be rarer than Panzer Dragoon Saga, which, speaks volumes.

[@jessragan6714]

Final Fight Revenge is not a good game, but the developers do get credit for making it the fun kind of kusoge. It's the 3D response to Way of the Warrior... joyously silly, and a lot of fun to break out at parties.

[@kathleendelcourt8136]

It's nowhere near as bad as Way of the Warrior.

[@SubaruMalibu]

For what it’s worth, Edi. E’s police car attack is an all-timer.

[@triniborn76]

If no energy left he put handcuffs on you. 😂

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

As well as Cody's Super where if you kill with it, he pulls a fucking Hokuto no Ken by turning around and saying "you're already dead".

[@shaggyturtlestudios]

You can’t fool me, Matt. This is just you trying to will a new final fight into existence like you did with Double Dragon last year. We all wish you good luck in this goal!

[@NeoStrayCat]

Yeah...Final Fight Revenge, what a story this went. Though at least its legacy is still preserved spiritually in SF6's World Tour. Also, hope you got your copy back from AVGN. And lastly, at 15:05 the cover is Weekly Shonen Jump, not Famitsu, but yeah, both Jump and Famitsu sorta has similar styles to their front covers. Otherwise though, Yu-Gi-Oh! (indirectly) mentioned/shown!

[@tobyalonzo]

I honestly love the blocky look. Something about low poly is so charming to me

[@malachitep4276]

Reminds me a LOT of Mega Man Legends, Poison looks like she'd fit right in next to Roll and Tron. Wonder if any of the same folks worked on both?

[@felman87]

Oh man, imagine if instead of Revenge, we got a remake of Final Fight with sprite-work worthy of the Saturn. And with 3 simultaneous players. Guardian Heroes shows that the Saturn was more than capable of doing so.

[@NickPiers]

I have a request or suggestion for a future What Happened: Sierra On-Line. (Sorry, I got ranty on this one, as I grew up on Sierra games.) Sierra used to be one of the biggest PC game publishers. Their market share almost rivaled Microsoft. They were pioneers in game development, pushing for new ways for games to be made (like fully voiced games, CD-Rom, etc). Heck, they were responsible for publishing Half-Life, paving the way for Valve to become the PC market juggernaut it is today. They were filled with controversy, like hiring very controversial figure Daryl Gates for Police Quest 4 or being the makers of the hilarious but controversial Leisure Suit Larry games. From some sources, including Ken Williams himself in his book about Sierra, they very much had "crunch culture" built into their workspace. But then they were screwed over by CUC International and not only quickly lost many employees, but game development went south and they eventually became a shell of their former selves. And a lot of it isn't to blame on them, but CUC because CUC was part of one of the largest accounting fraud cases in history.

[@Mushroomandyou]

I saw that Defunctland video in your recommended list. A man of taste, I see

[@clyderadcliffe1536]

Fun fact. Capcom began as Capsule Computers.

[@phillipthompson5937]

Great Cameo 😂

[@BlackWaterJesus]

Dean was a sick character in the roster for Final Fight 3!

[@fiskburk2908]

That bit with AVGN really made me laugh, oh man that was good, thanks for the video mate

[@fangjokerLS]

Final Fight Revenge: choices were, uh, definitely made. . .

[@justingoers]

I love this game so much. The graphics, roster, music, aesthetic. It all works for me.

[@GAZZ707]

oh my god you have no idea how long i have been waiting for this video about final fight revenge video for a really long time now thank you so much we all really do appreciate it!! keep it up Matt ❤👍😃

[@AlexRFightgames]

Sunnyvale! ... I actually used to live there. It's a very nice town.

[@philmason9653]

It would have been impossible to release the Saturn game in North America in 2000, there was no retail market to sell it into. Sega of America had cut the price of the Saturn so steeply by 1997 that it was losing the company money for every console sold. They accrued so much debt they literally couldn't afford to keep it on shelves, which is why they pulled the plug in North America after the '97 holiday season. Even in '98, most retailers had reduced their Saturn sections to a small corner at the back of the store and were ordering in small numbers, which is why 1998 releases like Panzer Dragoon Saga, Burning Rangers and Magic Knight Rayearth are so rare. By the time you get to two years later in 2000 there is no way anyone in Capcom sales was convincing retail chain buyers to dedicate shelf space to bad Saturn games. And Sega was full steam ahead on making the Dreamcast happen, I'm sure they had no interest in reminding anyone of the Saturn at that point.

[@brunomoraes9967]

Lovely video as always, Matt. As far as recommendations go, I think an episode about "Oddworld: the Hand of Odd" would be amazing, since I believe the backstage stories would be great. Plus, I have a deep fondness for Oddworld Inhabitants and their work, and it's nice to have stories about somewhat indie precursors from the 90s. Thanks for your videos!

[@robinthrush9672]

It's too bad. I cosplayed Haggar a few years ago and people kept asking me if I'd heard that one of the final contestants in MvC3's big tournament was maining Haggar. Like, a lot of people were asking me.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

Yo, that cut from Luke’s finger gun to Leon’s REAL gun was slick as hell.

[@radleybuttons7830]

I can confirm that there was a cabinet of FF Revenge at Fun n Games in Wayne, NJ, and it was displayed in a featured location at the Arcade. I played it a bit, and it was ok. It wasn't bad. Fun, but with everything else out at the time, it was just overshadowed.

[@hilarioph]

14:24 2000 is the time when the Sega Saturn is gone when all the people are focusing on the Dreamcast. I think Final Fight Revenge could be the last game from the Saturn era

[@Unquestionable]

Would love this to get rereleased just because it's an interesting curiousity, it's very much a mashup of insane weirdness and watching this made me appreciate that more so. Also I've got a soft spot for Final Fight as a series, it was one of my favorite arcade titles when I was a kid.

[@moskillz76]

As bad as this game looks, I would buy it if they released an emulated version for PS4/PS5. Looks unique and I like that it has so many characters from Final Fight that were never playable.

[@slurrygeyser8133]

consistently great youtube channel, i look forward to these videos every week. great work as always!!

[@SionBarzhado]

Wow, a Wha Happun in time for me to enjoy during my nap! Thanks, Matt! 👍 (But seriously, with how soon after the one on The Bouncer this is, I hope you’re not causing yourself any undue stress).

[@basticle]

Damn, that GameFan review

[@BleedingPortuguese]

:( RIP ECM. That era of GameFan was the best.

[@miisterclutch5005]

Let's go! Been waiting for this for ages!!

[@David-yk9fy]

Speaking of Sega and Capcom, seems a rumored Sega vs Capcom fighting game is officially in the works. May not be SNK, but I'm excited how this will go. Also, Final Fight 4 when?

[@LeeSixTwenty]

Sega huh? Ehhh, I guess that's more likely than a Mortal Kombat Street Fighter crossove, at least people in Japan have heard of Sega.

[@memesandhoi2924]

You sure you're not talking about the Sega vs Capcom fangame someone is making?

[@Lightspeeds]

​@@memesandhoi2924that's the only one that I've heard of.

[@FirionLeFleur]

Y'know i finally got around to starting to listen to Triple KO this week and realized that you hadn't made a What Happened on Final Fight Revenge yet so this is perfect timing for me. 😁

[@kevingriffith6011]

18:01 Street Fighter 6's World Tour mode has so much Final Fight in it that I legitimately consider it to be more of a Final Fight game than a Street Fighter game.

[@Sonicman4155]

A new Final Fight game in the style of the World Tour mode from SF6 would be awesome 😍

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Them's Fightin' Herds deserves a What Happened for what Modus/Maximum Games did to Mane 6.

[@lsebastian9086]

Wait what did they do?

[@Gavmalex]

​@@lsebastian9086Fired nearly the entire dev team behind it, before they could finish the first season pass.

[@HYPNOGLANCE87]

Final Fight Revenge would of been a great second sequel to the first final fight game.Not a damn fighting game.But hey if double dragon can have a fighting game then why not final fight right?.

[@jpbo98]

Wait, so Inafume is the reason we didn’t get Maximo 3?!? Does his sins of his past have no end?!

[@FransiscoDialga]

Your videos are always so eloquent, informative, and entertaining. Thx bro

[@JimProfit357]

I've never played the game. Whenever I'm reminded of its existence, I am always extremely puzzled at the negative critics because, in motion, it looks suspiciously close to the fantastic Rival School on the Playstation. I wonder of it's a ported game engine or something of that ilk. But even then, passing visual similarity means nothing if the gameplay is terrible.

[@meganpayette5996]

At least unlike Final Fight Streetwise. Final Fight Revenge DOES have Poison show up in the game.

[@jessragan6714]

A friend of mine described her super move as "administering oral sex to a Popsicle."

[@laserdiscphan]

One wonders why they didn't borrow the Saturn VF2 engine from Sega to make this game if Sega insisted that the game be in 3D. Probably would have turned out better. I always kick myself for not getting the game back in the day despite being a Saturn gamer. Great vid as always Matt!

[@michaelsimpson208]

This would've been on "THE WORST FIGHTING GAME EVER" instead of "What Happened?"!

[@WhispyWoods.]

Ohh!!! Matty and AVGN. Couldn’t love it more.

[@grimcatnip]

we didn't get another game. but we did get Poison in a fighting game. and still is in fighting games. and thats all that really matters.

[@leseanpayne2805]

Just at the beginning of this video and Corporate dedicating a high risk high reward project to an branch studio The branch studio clarifying they might not honestly be ready for the task The corporate branch then dedicating additional resources and expertise to the growing team It hurts that that much good will from everyone is still going to somehow end up in disaster.

[@TheKirby222]

You should try the narcissist director and his mismanage of Firefall

[@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_MASKED_WARRIA]

What's odd is that Revenge actually was localized. If you set your Saturn to any language other than Japanese, the game will be in English.

[@joesomenumbers]

8:39 I am tired of all these jokes about my giant hand. The first such incident occurred in 1956, when

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

Is it just me or is it every time that haggard gets put into a game outside of beat em ups the franchise nosedives?

[@TheOrangeG1]

I love both FFR and streetwise (wich i completed for the first time just some week ago). I just hope capcom will do both games justice, one day. Thanks for this video Matt, awsome work!

[@MartinMcHendry]

I really enjoyed this one! Thank you for putting in the work!

[@anerysium]

I remember seeing and playing this game (once) way back in the arcade. Probably 99 or early 2000's. For some reason I had a hard time with this game and find it ridiculous with its supers. The idea of a Final Fight fighting game was a good one but was executed badly. Also seeing Plasma Sword and Tech Romancer gave me some nostalgia feels since they were my favorite games in the arcade I used to play.

[@DamienThimons-rv1wj]

Perhaps it was the cheapest and least painful way to fulfill a contractual obligation.

[@Totavier]

So that was the story of that particular Final Fight game. I always remembered that game from that AVGN episode that you made a cross-over (which at the same time was the reason that I discovered your channel). Kind sad that the game is still stuck on the Saturn and never got a port on other consoles, either alone or in the typical bundle/compilation or a Collection type's games because it looks interesting to play it, even if is just for a couple hours or minutes. 😂

[@Ungulates]

Hey, Matt, have you ever considered doing a Wha Happun on the Dark Alliance series? Or more accurately, the Forgotten Realms: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance I and II series from around 2000? It's got elements of a good story- executive meddling, using engines without permission, cut content, and a game that turned out fun despite all that. I'm also curious if you can answer why "nu Dark Alliance" uses the same title despite being only tangentially related.

[@AndroChimera]

make a video about the game colosseum road to freedom on the ps2, it also has a psp version called gladiator begins, they're both great and i really love those games but no one ever talks about it, in 2011 a spiritual successor was released called Clan of Champions and it was a total floop, really a cursed game indeed and it killed the "franchise". this game is completely underrated and maybe there's a story in there.

[@carldzoga1348]

"Why Happun"? 😂😂

[@nathankeene9236]

Omg, a Trent shout out. I love his work. That made my day.

[@webrunner42]

7:42 unironically love that Ryu represents sega here instead of Capcom

[@RuGShUg1991]

Was not expecting an AVGN cameo

[@roliletea]

I jumped when I heard the windows notification sound at around 5:27 even though I was watching this on my phone :)) Great video as always!

[@consensualsenses]

sometimes the side chick isn't even a chick, it's Final Fight Revenge for the Sega Saturn

[@SOV724]

In Capcom's defense I can kinda understand why AVP wasn't re-released. Capcom doesn't want to pay those license fees lol

[@MattMcMuscles]

Doesn't really fly when they re-released Dungeons and Dragons and The Punisher, and other Marvel games for Arcade 1up.

[@GenerationWest]

This Is another blind spot in my knowledge, because i had no idea this existed lol

[@triniborn76]

That Final Fight 2 OST🔥👏

[@catholiccontriversy]

OK, so I believe you're conversational with Derek, but also James the original online videogame video creator that's still active? That's wild.

[@bananabike279]

Never knew this game did NOT release in Japan, that's such a weird move

[@Spikero2]

4:34 Oh right. That thing. I forgot that was a thing. 5:05 EGM That was my go-to mag.

[@StudioDragoonX]

@MattMcMuscles 12:39 I can confirm that I played this game in New Orleans, ( my hometown ) in an arcade. I remember also how bad it was too.

[@freelanceryuu]

The old arcade on Manhattan back in the 90s? in front of the mall that they ended up tearing down?

[@Mene0]

Great episode, Matt

[@gabrielsilverwolf]

I still dream of a day when we get a new Final that is actually fun and good, along with new Darkstalkers, Rival Schools, and Dino Crisis games.

[@shuboy05]

Matt, it’s Sunnyvale with a V. Sunnydale is the place that’s full of vampires.

[@awesome7818]

You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this video ever since you introduced me to this game like 14 years ago with your video on how difficult it is to play this game.

[@kenmastersX]

I actually did play this in my local arcade, and localized in English. I definitely remembered seeing the endings in English text. I'm sure it was distributed very little but it definitely had an English release.

[@PinBBro]

It should honestly be professionally studied how consistently capcom completely fumbled the bag with final fight after 3, like it’s genuinely impressive how little they knew what to do with this really simple formula that should’ve been easy to make constant bangers for

[@claytonrios1]

I'll give them points for the sexy Poison poses. Even if she looks at her best in the Street Fighter games.

[@mrpetielicious5861]

I remember trying to order this game in the US and the place I ordered from sold their copy in the store the day before they updated their online store's Final Fight Revenge page to "backordered" status.

[@jonothanthrace1530]

I appreciate this video coming out mere days after Lady Decade's video about the Sega Titan, which mentioned FFR.

[@svartfrasr9755]

Would you ever consider doing a What Happened? episode on the Megaman series as a whole around the time Inafune left? I know you did Mighty No 9 but the fallout of him leaving is almost its own tale.

[@tracyndiyob162]

for the flaws it has(would put it above the movie game/virtua fighter just kinda being there as a tbh bare outside vs. or other media fighting game series outside rereleasing 5 unless if it gets included in that sega revival.) do love how quirky it is(mike haggar piledriving you through earth being my favorite/for final fight would be happy with him,poison especially,maki,guy and cody returning playable in 6.) . & being the introduction of poison's thick diva nature(especially her being the reason for cody being arrested framing him for her crimes/having a crush on him with them mutually respecting each other by street fighter forming that awesome tag team with hugo.:3).

[@valtrains12]

What happen idea Amiga CD32

[@justpassingby3743]

What happened for Alice Asylum please.

[@Eye-am-Metalchip]

15:48 I thought this was just an ffr jpeg on James' hand, until he thanked Matt personally XD.

[@mekman4]

Great Stuff. As always!

[@reynaldosolano2309]

I would love to see a "The Darkness-What Happened?" "Resistance-What Happened?" and a "Vanquish-What Happened?"

[@teachcinematicstv2798]

Good stuff Matt. What happened is in my top 5 YT series.

[@XenosFFBE]

Final Fight 3 HAS THE BEST MUSIC!!!!! 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

[@KennethKaylor-k8l]

I still have my Saturn copy. I think I've played it 5 times in the 25 years or so. It's so bad, yet worth quite a bit.

[@----x-----]

I love late 90s/early 00's reviewers, they were absolutely savage , not in any modern political whiny way, no these guys would just deliver the most brutal lines to describe and burn the games they didn't like, no mercy

[@KuroRaiden]

This video came out in perfect timing for Saturn rollback