DCS: F-16C Viper - ILS Landing

[@mikekam9280]

If I ever cant sleep, I watch one of Wags' videos. Its like a lullaby.

[@jasonhrynyk7630]

We usually brief an ILS to, "put the thing on the thing".

[@ardenelenduil2334]

Isn't that also what they use to describe CCIP bombing? Put the thing on the thing to kill the thing

[@jasonhrynyk7630]

@@ardenelenduil2334 affirmative. Keeping it simple for cavemen like me.

[@Fireruner97]

@@ardenelenduil2334 And Maverick shooting. And AMRAAMs. And Sidewinders. And guns. And.... ok, you get the point, put the thing on the thing to do the thing

[@HamSandwich277]

It would probably help to tell viewers (in particular, new players) where you got the frequency and course values from.

[@norskefosvaret2007]

Ham Sandwich this would be so handy. And if you know of any information out there on this, it’d be quite helpful for a new viper driver

[@HamSandwich277]

@@norskefosvaret2007 In your F10 map, if you go to an airfield and click on the little airfield icon in the middle of the base, a window with a bunch of info will pop up. Towards the bottom, you'll see a line titled "RWYs" (meaning 'runways'). Next to that is the list of runways. If there's only one runway, there will be one column with the runway number at the top (next to 'RWYs'). If there are multiple runways, there will be multiple columns. Each column contains runway info, including (if available) the ILS frequency for that runway. Unfortunately there's no runway heading provided, so you have to use your compass tool to measure it manually.

[@johjoh9270]

@@HamSandwich277 if you're in the caucasus you also have the landing charts on the kneeboard, with the magnetic heading of the runway, also F10 map is (I think?) in True Heading as opposed to magnetic, so if you're doing that , you will need to take magnetic declination into account (for example, batumi reads 126º in F10 map but chart will tell you 119º, which is the actual heading you'll follow to land), tho some aircraft have an option to select true or magnetic heading, such as the M2000C

[@reload54]

Thanks, I wanted to ask the same question, even though it's a 2-year-old comment I am brand new.

[@Vapor_32]

@@reload54 dang, fancy meeting you here... trippy to see that a year ago you were brand new (knowing what you are capable of now)!

[@William3000x]

Another detail that wasn't mentioned is that besides the ILS cross on the HUD you also get an attitude cueing circle that redirects you precisely into glideslope. I just can't remember how it's called, though. That small circle with a vertical bar on top (the bar on top of the circle only appears when the ILS gathers the valid GlideSlope data and the Horizontal Bar of the Cross starts moving, before this point, it's only that small circle you can see aligned with the Artificial Horizon Line). If you maneuver to position your Flight Path Marker over it, this will guide you to align your localiser and glideslope indication simultaneously. The cue circle keeps moving around on your HUD to correct your course to the proper approach path. So if you follow it precisely, as well as mainitaining your FPM inside the AoA Bracket, this combination will always align you for a perfect landing. Just a matter of practice. It functions in a very similar way to the Landing Mode of the russian aircrafts, where you have to align the two circles in the middle of the hud, and this will align you with the correct landing path.

[@jasonhrynyk7630]

We call it Herm the sperm.

[@bandit1797]

Also wags heads up this one isn’t in the viper playlist again.

[@gnittegdellort]

Yeah would love this if it was added to the training again

[@LadanSoodmand]

So cool. I have just started yesterday working with the ILS on the F-16. I need to get used to it. I'm an F-18 gal lol. I do love the F-16, but I fly it most of the time without ILS.

[@EvanButler320]

here we go, landing gear looks awesome

[@BasictoFinal]

Looking forward to the Viper! Pitch for Airspeed, Power for Altitude

[@donno1970]

Nicely done can't wait to try it myself.

[@manolog.9962]

The excitement keeps building. Thank you for the video

[@staubsauger2305]

Thanks Wags. Really looking forward to contrasting the Viper with the Hornet.

[@tsangarisjohn]

New update 2.7 brought me here. Haha 😂 Weather is now a reality , and a true challenge!

[@aleksilepisto7282]

Okay, how do you get the ILS bars to uncage? It's dialed in to the right freq but they stay dashed lines and caged to almost a right angled corner. It's like it's on but not engaging.

[@MrBorgirdim]

look at 0.44 where he type in frq.not on frq line but above.

[@parc5257]

@@MrBorgirdim I may be late but why is it like this? Don't you have to type in the frequency in the frequency section?

[@johnf1512]

got to watch the touchdown, don't want to go anything above 13 AOA less the speedbrakes scrape the runway

[@danvercillo]

I think it's time for a little Gordon Lightfoot to match that sundown! Thanks Wags and team, she's going to be sweet.

[@ptrisonic]

Actually I like anything off the first two Eagles albums! Before they got a bit bloated and Bernie Leadon was in....

[@Basilone45]

Hey Wags is ILS still WIP for the Viper at certain airfields? On PG it works fine at Al Minhad and Khasab, but at the main runway at Al Dhafra it won't accept the freqs. For the alternate runway at Al Dhafra I can enter the freqs but the steering bars are dashed and don't do anything. Am I just doing something wrong?

[@lucahofman445]

I notice that somtimes you have to get within range for it to work, about 10 miles from the airfield.

[@SargeantKoranFlusher]

OK...but after I get the nose down I usually as of late anyway, can't keep the bird in a straight line down the runway and every time crash & burn. NWS is "off" , too! Funny because I never had a problem a few months ago, perhaps before an update. EDIT: Using your directions today I just made a really nice touchdown. Watching the replay track I saw that the AOA was a little steep but otherwise I was able to keep the bird straight. Thanks!

[@carlpanco7417]

I wonder why there isn't a IFR tutorial mission that covers the basics as well as setting a course and using the HSI....

[@armhunter]

what an amazing Sim!

[@Malc2169]

Nice implementation of F-18 indexers - they never come on two at a time in the F-16.

[@Skydivingkittens]

The HUD is so much more cluttered in the Viper than the Hornet!

[@RobertoMettifogo]

Few beginner question: - where can I read the exact runway heading while flying ? -course, what is it and how it works? -how to approcach the "entry point" of an ils descent? Thanks!

[@LtRiot]

Roberto Mettifogo the exact rwy heading and your ils course is on the approach plate. To understand all of it takes a couple months of instrument ground school but the basics like rwy heading are obvious

[@RobertoMettifogo]

@@LtRiot but where is the approach plate.in game? Thanks

[@carldsouza9436]

@@RobertoMettifogo 1.use Rshift+K to open up the kneeboard for all approach and instrument related information. 2. Course is the heading of the runway or your TACAN radial, you input this heading into your HSI, it will provide you excellent situational awareness and allow you to maintain the localizer. 3. About 10nm before the runway, make sure you’re at 3000ft and stabilized before capturing the ILS glideslope to descend down to the runway, if you’re performing a visual approach, begin the descent and maintain about -750ft/min as the descent rate. Hope all this helps!

[@Luce2]

@@carldsouza9436 thanks man

[@bend1483]

DCS F-16C Wheels confirmed! ;)

[@TheStreamlinetyr]

Viper ball

[@MattWagner]

Wave off, wave off

[@Raffson]

Matt Wagner lmfao 😂 but it kind of begs for the question, will the tailhook be modeled? I know it will be of no use at this point in time, but perhaps in the future airfields will be able to provide arresting gear like cables or a barricade for emergencies?

[@d_kortman]

I don’t know if I’m just dumb or what, but I can’t get the menu to come up once the T-ILS button has been pressed. It either types something on the DED or just does nothing. A little help here?

[@Sirrah81]

I understand why it is the way it is, but having all required hud symbology (witch hat, ILS bars, E-bracket) at the very lower end of the hud, isn't very ergonomically 😅 Looks a bit messy on a small phone screen, but maybe it looks better when in VR. Can't wait! 👍

[@SavageBambi]

ive selected the right ils and course but the ils needle dont show up

[@jeremy41234]

Nicely done!!

[@SA516Gr70M]

I'd like to know what does the crs input used for? as i know ILC has both vertical and horizontal localizers

[@XXXLsky]

для выставления курса синей стрелки на HDG приборе (после выставления частоты он на неё вниз посмотрел)

[@bandit1797]

So happy I pre order this bird gunna be sweet

[@jaek_898]

Yeah this is cool but what about finishing the f18?

[@jaek_898]

@A10outof10meme im not getting the f16 until the f18 is finished, or nearly finished. Vote with your wallets.

[@FREZK9Y]

​@A10outof10meme 1 year and u will say "Yeah this is cool but what about finishing the f16?" :D im not getting f-16 too but im big f-16 fan, i wont wait 3-4 weeks for basic IFF sorry :D

[@BasictoFinal]

Maybe the API will help complete both modules. Just spit balling...Not a software developer here. I definitely understand the sentiment.

[@shd4618]

Jesus. More salt than a Happy Meal. If your that angry go find another hobby.

[@MattWagner]

Hi Jaek, the Hornet will certainly be finished and being worked on now. Walleye should be coming quite soon. The Hornet and Viper will be worked on in parallel as they both share core-API systems like TWS, AG radar, and others. Thanks

[@arcosiancosine1065]

maybe it was the zoomed in view but that approached looked really steep even though the cross was centered

[@MrPhantom453]

Pipped me there. Have to agree. Thanks for the video Wags.

[@LtRiot]

@Happnin' Gilmore no

[@RicCrouch]

No, most ILSs are 3 degrees. But the approach to the west at McCarran DOES look really steep in real life. You feel like you are waaaaaaay too high all the way down final. Oh, and the noise Wags DIDN’T point out was the simulated sound of airline pilots complaining about him landing on the “takeoff” runway (26R) instead of the “landing” runway (26L). ;). (I’m sure there was construction on 26L...yeah-that’s it!)

[@Sceptre476]

thanks wags. really can't wait to fly it!

[@Phvpark]

in the night is ILS only landings or you can make a visual approach and landing?

[@William3000x]

You can land visually at night in DCS, that is, assuming you can see anything, 'cause DCS night lighting scenario is absurdly dark.

[@charlesgrogan4234]

Does DCS have any approach plates? I am curious how you find final course headings and nav-aid freqs? Thanks.

[@MattWagner]

These can all be viewed on the F10 map view.

[@saiajin82]

Oh how sweet it its! Couple more weeks baby!!

[@Hairysteed]

.. ._.. ._ ... = "ILAS", Las Vegas International?

[@MattWagner]

Hi Hairysteed, yes.

[@ajobis1881]

This isn’t ILS related, but what liveries are going to come with this Viper?

[@BIGNEWY]

First skin will be the 55th FS at Shaw AFB, more will follow as it develops. Thanks

[@ajobis1881]

BIGNEWY thanks for the reply sir.

[@BIGNEWY]

@@ajobis1881 No problem, we hope you will enjoy it.

[@ajobis1881]

BIGNEWY mannnnn can’t wait. It’s like Xmas early.

[@jeeveseventynine9263]

Let's just hope they have -Vador-.

[@TutorialsPcTech]

Daamm that Viper can't come soon enough

[@eli-emmanuelmoors3188]

How do you know the frq and crs

[@LadanSoodmand]

You have it on the display at the right. The beginning of his video shows it.

[@migkillerphantom]

Does the viper have a trim that will actively seek to maintain an AoA like the hornet? Or is it just regular trim? Knowing the difference saves (virtual) lives

[@Raffson]

Trims like the hornet, and even better, in landing config you don’t have to bother with trim like you do in the hornet 😉

[@migkillerphantom]

@@Raffson if it "trims like the hornet" it's impossible to land without trim. Hornet "trim" in landing config is a pitch autopilot where you set the desired aoa. The computer will then try to keep that aoa.

[@Raffson]

migkillerphantom trim is just trim.. it trims like the hornet, and like any other plane for that matter.. in landing config you NEED trim in the hornet, but not in the falcon.. I’m not sure where you’re getting that autopilot stuff from, cause all trim does is adjust the angle of the elevators.. ok you could argue that the FBW is some sort of autopilot and that your trim commands the FBW, but the result is pretty much the same..

[@4kgaming608]

October 3rd? Steam release also on the 3rd?

[@pilotngb]

It looks soooooo good.

[@spc83]

Wags can we expect the F-16 and/or the F-18 to get the SDB in the future? SDB is small diameter bomb for anyone wondering

[@spc83]

@@agostonbazmajer1100 darn well the F-16 was a pretty modular aircraft... A software update here, an engine upgrade there, and boom! Another 10years of service

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@pgtrots What are you talking about? There are several features for the Hornet still being worked on some in concert with the F-16.

[@MattWagner]

Hi SPC, no, that weapon was fielded well after the versions of the F-16 and Hornet we are simulating. Thanks.

[@getsideways7257]

@@pgtrots How about you take your drama to the Hornet related videos and threads? Seriously, that kind of whining is annoying. The F-16 is coming out and I'm happy about it. You were probably also happy when they said the Hornet is about to be released even though other things needed work at the time...

[@BelgianDneprGuy2003]

that sound. fiiiuuuuuuw

[@ernestwinslow7316]

I love viper engine sounds better of my two favorite birds(Hornet and Viper). It seems the sound in the Viper is more communicative and audible than the Hornet. The Hornet has this wooz sound in-cockpit.

[@oliverberry7998]

Does the F-16 have decent brakes or are they crap like the F/A-18Cs

[@stefanfritzsche]

they are crap, just like the F/A-18Cs :D today I tried to land at a small airfield on the Nevada map because I was out of fuel, touched down immediately after the RW threshold, and I wheelstopped exactly ONE METER after the end of the runway in the dirt ;)

[@GoktugGurellier]

Thanks.

[@MILSIM530]

where you got the frequency and course values from

[@krostouin]

Kneeboard or F10 map

[@jbaviation4700]

Thank you!

[@aztec0112]

The old F3 manual made a big deal of establishing certain fuel flow states on approach? Any need to consider that with the DCS F16?

[@William3000x]

I've never had to worry about fuel flow on approaches and landings in DCS. Only on the trip back home, to preserve fuel and make sure I don't run out of it before getting near the base.

[@hondarider100r]

Nice. I'm ready!

[@ninegravity2275]

Getting excited everyday

[@HampusBankler]

@wags Any particular reason you pull stick for aoa instead of trimming (as I’m used to from the Hornet)? Looking forward to the release! Don’t crunch too hard. We appreciate you guys staying healthy!

[@Raffson]

The FBW of the hornet is slightly different from the falcon/viper in the sense that you don’t have to trim the 16 unless you get damaged and you (partially) lose your FLCS.. so essentially you just aim the nose 10°-13° up and let her glide on the slope.. now there’s two ways to touch down, either you flare the aircraft or add a little power just before you land, or you can do a little of both.. but make sure you don’t go further than 15° nose up as you can strike the tail on the ground and that’s no bueno..

[@PhillMagGamerDad]

@@Raffson , there is no reason why you couldn't trim instead of holding pitch with the stick. IRL this isn't done though, probably due to the side stick being easier to hold, but this is an assumption on my part. It has nothing to do with the FBW design, just not standard practice. Personally I see myself using trim quite often, as the thought of having to hold back pressure on my centre-mounted stick is very unappealing. I don't think there is a wrong or right here, just standard practise

[@Raffson]

PhillMag k nvm, after reading your comment again, i confirm my assumptions.. you’re talking about “hold back pressure”.. that’s where you’re misunderstanding the falcon.. once wags put his guncross between 10°-13° nose up, he doesn’t pull back on the stick, the nose stays there and he simply adjusts throttle to move the fpm.. throttle inputs will not make the plane pitch up or down, so in a sense, the falcon is waaaay easier to land than the hornet 😉

[@FGtitlis]

In FLCS landing mode, viper needs constant back pressure of stick in order to maintain constant pitch angle and is intentionally designed so

[@Raffson]

FGtitlis that is only the case before you are on-speed aoa.. once you are on-speed aoa, no stick input should be required except for minor corrections.. also, it’s not to maintain constant pitch, it’s to increase aoa that you pull back on the stick, this is needed cause the FLCS maintains pitch and as you slow down, fpm drops and since you want to maintain altitude (assuming you’re catching the GS from below), you need to increase aoa and thus pull back on the stick..

[@prodog2355]

I can set the TCN to REC its off from cold onwards. And the HSI doesnt work lol. Also when i set freq to 000 DCS crashes

[@MattWagner]

You need to set the TCN to T/R and set the TCN on with the EHSI LOL. Thanks

[@notproplayer3649]

Lol, I thought the f16 was gonna do an automatic approach or even an autoland just like commercial airliners

[@jasonhrynyk7630]

The F35 has that.

[@StragTacGaming]

@@jasonhrynyk7630 The F-14 also has that. And even on carriers.

[@maxhammerum7705]

@@StragTacGaming ONLY on carriers, it cannot do it on land.

[@philader6206]

thanks a lot because DCS tutorials are very poor about F16 training .

[@michaelcasson9563]

O man I cant wait for that to come out! Can you also do a video explaining the basics of the aircraft navigation and weapons controls, like how to create and punch in steer points if there isnt already?

[@BasictoFinal]

If he doesn't I sure will. Big fan of the Viper here.

[@michaelcasson9563]

@@BasictoFinal ok, I'll definitely subscribe to you, I too love the viper!

[@BasictoFinal]

@@michaelcasson9563 Thanks, it's going to a blast to fly! I am looking forward to to the HOTAS functionality! Much more like the A10.

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@BasictoFinal Too bad it's called the Flying Falcon. Viper is to the F-16 as Warthog is to A-10, and I hate that they have billed this version as the Viper and not the 'Fighting Falcon' or even 'Falcon', this is compounded when you take into account that the AH-1Z is called the Viper officially.

[@BasictoFinal]

@@ImpendingJoker Are you one of those guys who calls the A10C the Fairchild Thunderbolt 2 and not the Warhog? Viper is synonymous with F16 at this point. I catch your drift that FF is technically correct. To each his own I guess!

[@semichiamononvengo7805]

external lights don't work?

[@MattWagner]

They are in work and should be available soon. Thanks

[@PeteV80]

Why is my ILS showing off?

[@farajibadr6748]

Please guys, anyone can help in making a list of things of things i can learn befor i make this into practice because i feel i still need to learn something to be able to understand the video content.

[@MattWagner]

Please take the time to also review the manual. www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/index.php?PAGEN_1=2

[@danieltur23]

Master arm is on..

[@ptrisonic]

VG. To any other beginning DCS Sim pilots the various Nevada airbases/ports are the best if you are having trouble with landing any "difficult" airplane. There is much less clutter like trees to distract you. My preference is Groom Lake AFB - just because I get a kick out of practising "circuits" at Area 51! Childish I know but they have one bloody long runway which can be handy but all are good. Pete.

[@Felix-kk5bp]

Need cold and dark video

[@MattWagner]

Uploading now...

[@dnsreload1909]

@@MattWagner i remember u said something of cold start when it will released ?

[@dorukakdoganli]

Where is ramp start video? ;)

[@dpicazo465]

I think it's gonna be released when the release date is released lol

[@Faks_Ar]

Let me quote Wags at Facebook "I should be releasing a start up video later this evening.". :DDD

[@MashedLinux]

Ramp video is gonna be the last one before release

[@MattWagner]

Hi Doruk, I am uploading now. Thanks

[@dorukakdoganli]

Matt, you are the best:)

[@fcolon1976]

What Trak IR are you using please?

[@tonyspanu9680]

Mmhhh...no landing lights ? Why ?

[@MattWagner]

Hi Tony, external lights are still in work. Thanks

[@CrisURace]

Hello tutorial voice :p

[@МихаилЗубков-е4ъ]

Перевод.. Как.. Сделать

[@veteransTR]

05:09 Nose Wheel Streeing above 30 knots ! Thats Blasphemy ! :@

[@jermomu]

oh, i did enjoy this video. daddy waggy

[@neovo903]

Come on Wags / 9l You didn't reply last time, ruining my streak of 3. Hmmm, I must need another question... Will the F16 handle similarly in the air to the F18?

[@aus_geoff8668]

Not really, they have differing FCS logic I believe. It depends on how similar you mean by similar. Kinda a same-same but different sort of deal. Sorry I am not Wagz. :)

[@notnice9873]

if anyone master this simulator, then i guess, he has no problem to steel f 16 .

[@juliandurazo5365]

Ayy

[@usquanigo]

*Falcon

[@MattWagner]

Thunderbolt II!

[@miirojoshua6813]

Wow landning...lol