Max Long Range Air To Air Missile Kill (Aim-54 Phoenix - 140 Miles) | DCS WORLD

TUTORIALS: grimreapers.net/tutorials
PATREON(monthly donations): / grimreapers
PAYPAL(one-off donations): www.paypal.me/GrimReapers
WEBSITE: grimreapers.net/
TWITCH(stream): / grimreaperscap
FACEBOOK: / grimreapersgroup
TWITTER: / grimreapers_
DISCORD: / discord (16+ age limit)
DISCORD: / discord (Junior GR)(16 or unders)
Want to join GR, and have DCS? Join here: / discord (16+ age limit)(You must own minimum 3 DCS WORLD modules/planes if you want to fly)

[@KazzArie]

How did the missile make it to it’s destination? It knew where it was because it knows where it wasn’t?

[@Juppie902]

By deducting where it is from where it isnt the missile clearly knew where it wasn't, and if it adds 0 it can know where it should be, but not where it will be, as the missile in fact has its own desires and will, and gives little to no shits about our desires or will

[@TheNicestPig]

@@Juppie902 INS guidance in a nutshell Which is not what the Phoenix uses )))

[@eddievhfan1984]

The Phoenix actually has a datalink-the missile is steered by midcourse updates from the launching 'Cat, and switches to internal RADAR guidance on remote command when the range is close enough.

[@cowboyforadalei4415]

Simple: radar, and radar missile

[@eXX0n]

3 people not getting the joke at all..... I'm dissapointed

[@emknight84]

You should attack a hovering helicopter for a range test due to the closure rate.

[@Prince-William-Wales]

he can't lock on a hovering heli perhaps

[@alexanderryan-jones600]

Yeah a zero-doppler target down at rotary wing heights would be savage to track- particularly looking down from 48kft. :O

[@skatterpro]

Or just measure like a rational person between the point of release and the point of impact.

[@Chrinik]

@@alexanderryan-jones600 People forget that the rotorblades of a helicopter are a massive doppler target beacon...

[@chrisdelzell8467]

@@Chrinik the game forgets, and most players don't have the background to understand where simisms diverge from reality. DCS players tend to be pretty smart, but there simply doesn't exist the real experience to counter certain myths. Milsims are the best place to see people who could dismantle and put together the entire cockpit panel layout of an A-10C blindfolded arguing until they're blue in the face that the GAU-8 can't penetrate the top of a T-80 or that helicopters are impossible to lock onto with radar guided missiles or that the BF-109 would disintegrate due to engine knock after 90 seconds at low WEP. It's just the coconut effect.

[@racingsfun]

The missile is coded to only go for 160 seconds. There is your limitation. Other examples: aim120c is 90 seconds. aim9x 55 seconds. r33 is 360 seconds. The normal 54 phoenix before the f14 module was 200 seconds. So heatblur limited it in this module.

[@grimreapers]

ahh that makes sense. Thanks.

[@BCSchmerker]

*Hughes engineers programmed the AIM-54 for energy management for bomber interception,* and the USN/Grumman Iron Works F-14 had the avionics to direct it. McDonnellDouglas was tooled up to fly an AIM-54 or -66 variant from F-15's assigned to Air Defense Command, U. S. Air Force (although USAF didn't take up the offer). The Russians might conduct extreme-range tests for energy-management profiles using the VKSR/Vympel K-37P-5 service-test version of the R-37R rocket-ramjet AIM recently cleared for service with the Mikojan-Gurevich-31 _Bolshogo Modernizatovenn'yj_ bomber interceptor and Sukhoi-33 and -57 air superiority fighters, fired from the MiG-31BM (as the radar-intercept officer can program the K-37P-5 for the flight profile to be tested).

[@het61yt]

I thought the range of the AIM 54 is longer if you launch in STT mode. It says so in the manual I believe. Lock him in STT mode and see if that increases the range

[@grimreapers]

I am unable to SST lock above 100nm. can u?

[@Frederico12full]

@@grimreapers Tested right now, got a lock at 187 using the Radar display to lock with PD STT, the scan mode was on TWS but i set the hand control unit to the Radar and locked it that way

[@grimreapers]

Could you a longer hit than 140 btw? With Stt

[@Frederico12full]

@@grimreapers Nope, but i didin't try for very long

[@Nemo400]

@@grimreapers ñ

[@GregAtlas]

Does data linking work in the game? I heard a while back that the phoenix missile is actually longer range than the radar can detect targets so they use data links to share the targeting data for longer range shots.

[@grimreapers]

Interesting. I was unaware. Will investigate. Yeh DL works fine.

[@masterhighground3677]

Yay finally!

[@pestexuk]

Cap, I've resisted from buying new aircraft because I know it'll take my time and concentration away from the Hornet which I'm trying to get my head around. That's the only problem IMO when you own multiple aircraft - it doesn't take long before you lose memory on an aircraft's systems once you stop flying it whilst moving onto something lie the Tomcat.

[@grimreapers]

Yes I know, this is why I fly a plane for a month, then next month re-learn and fly another plane. Then another plane next month.

[@theaceofspades485]

I have this same mental block. In fact I held off from DCS cause I put three years into BMS F16...when DCS announced the F-16 I felt right at home...will be buying it this year when its more complete

[@billyost1479]

Nice shot

[@ShrikerN955MG]

When ever I try to select the Aim-54 is always pops up as a aim-7, how do I fix this?

[@KrisTheLVN]

AIM-54 in space!!

[@grimreapers]

lols

[@sussy9278]

Can you do a video showing all planes and mission editor vehicles on DC's plss

[@grimreapers]

I don't udnerstand. Discord PM me if it's a serious request plx.

[@StaK_1980]

Both the launch vehicle and the target should be at max altitude. Let that Missile coast in thinner atmosphere.

[@TheJoeSwanon]

Now do the meteor missile

[@lohrtom]

You fired at 140nm. What was the intercept range?

[@grimreapers]

40miles? 50 miles? not sure.

[@tmright18]

ROFL that thing so completely broken !! AHAHA ... WTF is that @ 4:12

[@jefferynelson]

Can you design missions you in F 14, them in AC 47's? Those are my kind off odds?

[@hrvojemikulcic7074]

Kakav radar u nosu aviona F14!?

[@terryboyer1342]

I'd like to see one strapped to centerline of an A-10 and fired while attached solidly to the airframe. You know, just for shits and giggles.

[@utley]

if the bomber was flying towards you, then it wasnt 140nm.

[@Reactordrone]

That's how they do it in real life. In the long range capability trial they acquired the target at 132nm, launched at 110nm and hit the target 72.5nm from the launch point.

[@MyLonewolf25]

You need to use a static target and datalink

[@TonymanCS]

You not gonna waste a missile on a bomber that runs away. All kind of range data we know is against head on targets.

[@skatterpro]

@@TonymanCS is wrong again. You shouldn't care whether or not the target is moving. All you need is to measure the distance between the points of release and impact. The direction the target is moving in will only affect the ability to lock, and calculated shoot cues, not the range of the missile.

[@TonymanCS]

@@skatterpro Study more, Einstein www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/mig23m/mig23m-3.gif The left figure is for rear aspect target (target moving away from you), the right figure is for head-on target (target moving toward you). _"The direction the target is moving in will only affect the ability to lock, and calculated shoot cues, not the range of the missile"_ This is, to put it mildly, very stupid of you. Indeed missile has it range, but that theoretical value mean absolutely nothing in combat as targets won't be static. The thing we care about is range against moving in/moving out target. In this case 140 nmi value is ok because it allows Tomcat to engage target at 140nmi and then _disengage_ , capisce?

[@hellishgrin4604]

If the target was moving towards you, was it really 140?

[@acromatic0189]

No

[@thunderwrld]

Yes because the target was 140miles away when It was fired upon

[@Maverickf22flyer]

Hello sir, can you kindly share us a link of that ballistic test that you've talked about at 0:33? Thank you!

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hImVi2yro7Z5r7c

[@Maverickf22flyer]

@@grimreapers Thank you very much friend, but that was not reality! I really thought you meant about some true documentation or something, not what DCS shows! Thanks!

[@matthewtomlet2278]

can someone explain what he was doing at 1:19 ??

[@EnDSchultz1]

It looks like he's just telling Jester to set the display range on the TID to 200 miles so he can see the target.

[@sensibledriver933]

Is there a radar fitted to a plane that can spot at 140 miles?

[@TheZippaduppa]

the f-14 just spotted the b52 at more than 140miles?

[@sensibledriver933]

@@TheZippaduppa A B52 is huge, what about a stealthy plane?

[@TheZippaduppa]

@@sensibledriver933 does it matter? This is the correct usage.

[@BH-ro4ly]

And now you cant even hit something at 50 miles

[@akisakis7980]

i played the su-33 campaing few weeks ago...and it was 1 mission that 2 f14 was shooting aim-54 and i checked the speed of missiles and it was 6000....and i said "WTF???" Yes i know it was the F14A and not the completed model bla bla...

[@TonymanCS]

6000kph is Mach 5. That's the speed Phoenix archive on its "cruise" phrase.

[@Maverickf22flyer]

@@TonymanCS With a max of Mach 5 it should be no more than 5000km/h above 12000m. That's the MAX it can get, not "cruise", it doesn't cruise, it's a glider after the engine has stopped. The Mach number decreases as altitude increases or in other words, for the same true airspeed the Mach increases as the altitude increases.

[@skatterpro]

That is not a 140NM kill! If the target is moving towards you, you must measure the distance travelled by the missile, NOT the distance from which it was shot. The missile, if travelling straight, always has a set distance for your speed and altitude, the range of the missile does not change. You must take a point when the missile is fired, and a point that it hits the target, and draw the distance between those points. This has too many variables.

[@Epicburst]

This. It seems like such an obvious thing

[@TonymanCS]

All kind of range data of missiles are on head-on targets so what's the problem? It's not like any missile gonna outrange Phoenix in the game any way.

[@skatterpro]

​@@TonymanCS No, you're missing the point. No, not all 'range data' is for head-on targets. The range of the missile is static, it has NOTHING to do with the target. The missile can only travel a certain distance in a straight line, and this was what was supposedly tested. If you measure head on, you still have to measure the traveled distance, not the engaging distance. Otherwise your missile would have 'infinite range!!!!' if your target is moving towards you at something like mach 15, which simply isn't true. The intersection point simply cannot be anywhere outside of the missile's range. You can't present it as a record this way. Too many variables, and a bad set of datapoints. You're measuring nothing but an arbitrary number of when an AIM-54 is fired this way, and absolutely nothing else. Definitely not a distance. With your way of thinking, the traveled distance of the missile depends on the target, which it does not. At all. Come on, this is elementary math. Your speed, and the speed of the target has nothing to do with the distance, but the intersection point. We're intended to measuring distances, not delta V.

[@calvinstrikesagain]

@@skatterpro I hate to break it to you, but range at launch is a standard way of characterizing how far a head on interception can be made, because it tells a pilot what he needs to know. The AIM-7M was quoted as having a max interception range against a bomber sized target when launched from an F-15 at Mach 2.5 at 50k feet of 38 NM. Launched from an F-4 at Mach 0.95 @ 25k feet it was 22 NM for the exact same missile. The exact missile flight range is always less, and it's incredibly difficult to compute because it's a maneuvering ballistic course which is not easily calculable by an outside observer. Every single shot is going to vary due to differences in launch conditions, target behavior, temperature aloft (which determines air density), and there isn't some exact single number that your seeking. The only constrainable things that can be reliably measured are launch parameters, target parameters, and distance at launch.

[@calvinstrikesagain]

@@skatterpro To your last point: delta-V *does* determine distance flown in conjunction with launch altitude and lofted attitude. If you want that perfect distance flown, set it up in DCS in a tail chase launch and record where the missile hits the ground.

[@Hairysteed]

What was the range to target at the moment of impact?

[@grimreapers]

probably very close. I was mach 2 40 miles?

[@Epicburst]

@@grimreapers Much different from 120

[@TheZippaduppa]

@@Epicburst the release point to target range is different than f14 range after release

[@SeminarChauffeur]

You mean the impact point was 140NM from the launch point?

[@grimreapers]

Roger

[@ninja5672]

Looked to me like the launch point was 140NM from the target at time of launch, not impact point.

[@markdanz7039]

Why didn't they keep upgrading it, it seems like with new upgrades it would still be relevant and cheaper than designing a whole new missile system. I'm just curious that is all lol

[@BH-ro4ly]

I'd say it was too big, the AIM-120D fills the role of the Pheonix whilst being much lighter.

[@SeminarChauffeur]

Luhh why a B-52 tho? 😂 Have you tried firing one again while you're going supersonic speed? I'd like to know if DCS also simulates supersonic launch of AAMs that supposedly increases its effective range

[@heyidiot]

Didn't he say he was moving at mach 2 when he fired?

[@backdabin35]

225km? Wtf ㅇ-ㅇ

[@keep22]

Your Fuhrer wants a video of Aim-54 shot straight up to see how high und how fast... maybe it will go into space, ja?

[@glenncooper3524]

Growling Sidewinder already did it went out of DCS still climbing and speeding up at 100000 meters at Mach 9.2 here's the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6atYqdshMRnsNE

[@grimreapers]

I've made 125k ft

[@BobSmith-uu5kj]

Fun but so unreal, only one missile not even sidewinders. During multiplayer campaigns, my max range has been 90nm… I hope to reach 100 nm but I never detect that far.

[@PhuVet]

Phoenix...the missile, the myth, the failure in real life. Funny to see a missile break the barrier into space. It was 140 when you locked it but the target was closing so probably about 125 miles when it hit...

[@Danofcanada]

Aim-54 shots are recorded on targets up to 220nm in navy testing. I can't recall it being used in combat ever.

[@williamkillingsworth2619]

Iran “CLAIMS” a kill at 134 miles with their AIM-54. The US only lanched a few in combat. Of those 2 or 3 completely failed, and the other 2 or 3 missed.

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

220nm 407,44km? Oh yeah, sure

[@GShock112]

I saw a video by Growling Sidewinder yesterday where he outran an amraam from 7 miles, shot from his six with a Mirage (vs F16 in PVP). Something ain't right in this game.

[@TonymanCS]

7 miles at 5000ft and less? I think it's perfectly normal.

[@GShock112]

@@TonymanCS provided his hud told him so, growling sw dodged 4 missiles in a row and killed the f16 with just 1. There is something very wrong if you think this is normal. Go look for the vid. I think it's something like greek mirage vs israeli f16. In tac view the mirage also flew through a mountain.

[@Power5]

Replay is not perfect, if you play DCS you should know that. Dropping to the deck and zig zagging to bleed the missile speed is the exact rule book for out running a missile. Will have to watch his video.but GW is a pretty good flyer who knows well how to beat missiles.

[@GShock112]

@@Power5 i know it is the tactic but he didn't outrun the missile because it ran out of fuel he did because he went faster than the missile and that's impossible. Besides ... dodging one missile is a thing, dodging 3 or 4 is an entirely other thing. There's something wrong here.

[@Power5]

The speed of an AMRAAM on the deck is a fraction of its speed at altitude. You can out run one by turning cold at 7 miles if you have the speed to begin with.

[@tolikparamonov]

In the real life a Phoenix never hit a target, no single time.

[@cvonta]

Iran shot down dozens of Iraqi planes

[@eltorrente1021]

It has 62 air-to-air kills.