Max proposes a new way to vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame | First Take

[@zoelotero]

The worst part is that Bonds and Clemens aren't in bc of steroids, yet Bud Sellig, the guy who actually allowed players to be on roids in the first place, is in the Hall

[@michaeloverton2437]

Not only that but MLB grandfather the clause to fit Bonds. He didn’t come up on the test that said he actually caught by blood test. Also, the people who voted for Bonds to win MVPs knowing in their minds that he was using but still voted for him.

[@Fakename70]

No, the worst part is the writers, who are so concerned about and against “cheating”, voted Gaylord Perry in. Basically, that means that certain forms of “cheating” are acceptable - even when the cheater is caught red-handed - and others are not. Even when there’s no actual proof of said “cheating” other than in the court of public opinion.

[@MrReav13]

Sorry, but steroid users should not be in the Hall. Other guys who cheated in other ways shouldn't be there either.

[@michaeloverton2437]

@@Fakename70 PREACH

[@stevenperry9762]

Preach.

[@corpyhogan4433]

The MLB refuses to get with the times and that’s exactly why they don’t appeal to young audiences as much as the NFL or NBA Lol

[@johnmarte679]

I think it’s the sport itself that isn’t appealing to young audiences

[@corpyhogan4433]

@@johnmarte679 that to 😂 baseball needs players and personalities that will help change the game like how Jordan, bird, and magic did for the NBA

[@jyu467]

@@corpyhogan4433 The problem is that Mike Trout is the best player in the world, yet he's got a personality like that of dry paint, and he's never in the playoffs.

[@packedup2128]

Most baseball I watch is Jomboy Media, I’d rather watch Golf than Baseball tbh

[@wavyesco6242]

@@packedup2128 lol you can have your golf

[@moonlightequilibrium8924]

Jeff Passan has an NES and Enter the Wu Tang in the background. He’s officially the coolest guest on FT.

[@Gatorfan_Cavon]

💯💯💯💯

[@bmx7596]

that wu tang threw me off

[@lyndonthomas9794]

And A Nintendo 🎮🎯

[@michaelx1511]

Not really

[@moonlightequilibrium8924]

It makes him the most relatable.

[@sebas2625]

we need pete rose in

[@utl_sports4784]

for sure. i mean the dude didnt even cheat. he just gambled

[@sebas2625]

@@utl_sports4784 and he gambled on himself its not like he was throwing the games

[@utl_sports4784]

@@sebas2625 exactly. he didnt do anything to enhance his performance other than maybe that extra push to gain some cash

[@back2back379]

It’s so dumb, and it’s like they don’t even realize how stupid they look

[@seanmiles6991]

Yes Rose should be in AS A PLAYER. His punishment wasn't appropriate. It should've been life time ban as a manager, executive, and no possibility to be allowed to purchase or put stock in an MLB franchise. However could still be allowed to enshrined as a player if elected.

[@josephaustin8067]

Barry Bonds has 7 MVPs. He’s arguably the greatest ever. To not have him in is ridiculous. He was great before, after, and during the roids. Most players cheated during that era it basically was a leveled playing field. Other guys took roids and never came close to Bonds level

[@josenunez611]

The mlb hall of fame is screwed so are all it’s records

[@itsyourenotyour9101]

How do you know when he began roids? Yeah, he should be in there, but he's not even in the conversation for the greatest ever. Greatest tarnished legacy, right up there with Mark and Sosa.

[@slitherking621]

@@itsyourenotyour9101 buddy he’s the a goat it’s pretty easy to tell right when his sb bags start to go down

[@MrReav13]

Bonds would not have gotten close to 7 MVPs without steroids. The dude gained 35-40 pounds of pure muscle. That's going to help you hit a tremendous amount more home runs, hard-hit line drive singles, doubles, triples, etc.

[@slitherking621]

@@MrReav13 he won from 90 92 and 93 he was not useing then clown

[@mrrehino]

Jeff with that nes in the back. You earned a fan sir

[@mbrownie22]

The Jimi Hendrix album also

[@rrogers2370]

Those are Props...enter the wu tang. He is playing to his audience.

[@mire873]

ok computer in the background also lol.

[@charlesblack9959]

@@rrogers2370 Smfh. He also has Evil Empire by RATM in the corner. Dude has taste, unlike yourself.

[@rrogers2370]

@@charlesblack9959 like I said. Props - you identified with another one goofy.

[@yd856]

Barry Bonds had MVP’s before the ‘roids. He should definitely get in.

[@unfittedwings]

Facts pitchers would purposely walk him because they knew he would hit it out of the park

[@sean24833]

If he took roids he never failed a test and it wasn't illegal to take it while he was playing

[@yd856]

mrgetitdone85. Exactly. I don’t even watch that much baseball but not putting the LEADING HOME RUN HITTER in the hall of fame is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in any sport. That’s like not putting Tom Brady in the HOF because of deflategate.

[@williamking7941]

Bonds had 3 MVPs before 'roids. He's the only 3x MVP not in the HOF. The rules as iirc are 10 active years, and 5 years retired. At this point not having Bonds in does more damage to the HOF's reputation than to Bonds'.

[@Astralmoonmen]

@@yd856 that may happen as well. The media is very vengeful

[@davidcarrasquillo5128]

Listen the hall of fame is a joke they knew that the steroids was being used by players Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire saved baseball it was fun to watch but they all got screwed and punished in the end by MLB period.

[@seanmiles6991]

Yeah, MLB HALL OF FAME IS A COMPLETE JOKE! It has lots of racist players born in the 19th century, led by a racist Commissioner. Yet we can't have the all-time home run king and the all-time hits leader king ( well at least MLB hit leader.) I'm pretty sure Ichiro will get in easily. Let me get this straight. Rose can't get in as a player because of something he did as a manager only. That is a absolute joke! Yet Cap Anson who arguably is the 4th or 5th best hitter born in the 19th century, refused to go on the field and play with blacks is still allowed to be in the hall today. Btw, I do agree McGuire and Sosa should be in the hall. I rather have steroid cheaters in instead of racist.

[@donaldrailedurmom6264]

Yeah, the baseball hall of fame is a bit skewed. Cheating is so common and so impactful and we don’t know everyone who’s used roids and stuff. So I wouldn’t be disappointed if I’m a great player and if I got “robbed” of the hall of fame, because I would know that I’m definitely better than half the people in it that used roids. Cole, Verlander, Bauer, and others have been rumored to cheat too.

[@ghenry4513]

The main reason they don't want the Roid era guys to get in is actually very simple and very logical. During that era, players that never hit more than 9 Homeruns a year, or a maximum of about 16-17 for their whole career, suddenly started to hit literally 45-50+ Homeruns in consecutive years. So if they "Reward" these players, who will overtly skirt the ban, it will encourage more players today to try to go ahead and take a chance and start juicing up with them thinking that they, too, one day may be able to get into the HoF anyway just like these guys when really they were average players before the juicing. And they are seriously trying to curb PED use. It taints the numbers because you have guys like Sosa and Brady Anderson smashing Babe Ruth, Mantle, Aaron, Mays and company's records who were clearly just average hitters. You'll have them sitting in the HoF looking better than the real greats like those guys. I do think many of the steroid era players who aren't in should be in, but if they aren't, it's because the league doesn't want Joe Nobodies encouraged to start juicing up hitting 50 HR and 140 RBI in hopes they have a HoF argument one day when prior to that, they were 12 HR, 60 RBI type hitters for their first 10 years in the league. If they allow these guys in, it gives current day Steroid users the hope that they can keep juicing anyway and still get in by overcoming the resistance at first. One of the only sensible solutions that you can come up with is to either asterisk the roid era players, sort of like box them off from the rest of the players, to notate that they cheated to inflate their numbers so they aren't valid numbers to compare to the non-steroid era. As of now, not getting in is a deterrence. It's only an award anyway. Cheating especially consistently is a big deal because it deters players who didn't cheat from getting into the HoF since their numbers look shabby compared to the players who get in who cheated. It confuses who belongs and who doesn't in more ways than one. It's about the integrity of the game on the field. It's not politics.

[@Buzzer2Buzzer]

Still crazy that the MLB can't acknowledge the past which plays a major component in their history.

[@utl_sports4784]

facts.

[@MistaGrim]

And they were RAKING IN THE MONEY during the steroid era. They didn't complain about that, did they?

[@utl_sports4784]

@@MistaGrim ya exactly

[@ShooterSanoff]

Willie Mays and Barry Bonds are the greatest living baseball players. This is not the real HOF if Bonds, Rose and Clemens are not in it.

[@ShooterSanoff]

@Scotty loves Chrysler’s your right he didn’t have to to be the best ever.. he was already in the 40/40 and 400/400 club with 8 gold gloves and 3 mvps. He was already a top 3 all time left fielder by 1996

[@ShooterSanoff]

@Scotty loves Chrysler’s He also started taking HGH and other supplements after the summer of 98 with Mark and Sammy going for 70 home runs and Griffey was getting all the attention at that time when Barry was 100x better than Sammy and Mark and as good as Griffey

[@ShooterSanoff]

@Scotty loves Chrysler’s No Scotty.. sorry but you are wrong and he is the greatest and it isn’t a true HOF if he isn’t In the Hall. Like they said in the video it is a museum and it tells the story of baseball history and it is IMPOSSIBLE to talk about the history of baseball and not include Barry Lamar Bonds

[@hughhefner5348]

@Scotty loves Chrysler’s so can you take peds and can we see if you perform at the level they did?

[@hughhefner5348]

@Scotty loves Chrysler’s because it made the game more entertaining and he had baseball at its peak.

[@abdirahmaanh]

What is that sound at 3:03. Straight nightmare fuel

[@horsecockphepner]

BRRAAAAPPPPPPP

[@metrixstudios7853]

I’m so scared 🤣

[@bencasler18]

Max was actually making good points

[@Happypucks]

Both were spot on there!

[@Maestrohbill]

No. He’s pretending he actually knows when Bonds began using steroids

[@jermainezinnerman7450]

@@Maestrohbill Dude if you can see when Bonds starting using you're crazy. His body type and his whole game changed. He went from a great left fielder, base stealer. To a massive tanky, lightening thor batspeed and power. He was 500/ 500. Only player in history. Of course you can tell when Bonds was on steroids. You can't possibly be that dumb

[@cro4194]

@@jermainezinnerman7450 the mans a giant

[@brianchua4240]

Stephen A Smith hit it SPOT ON with the Schilling topic.

[@janonjones5276]

The first time I’ve heard Stephen a flat out say he don’t like somebody lol it’s literally the reverse of most of his arguments

[@travismcdonald6576]

Schilling hates Smith. A broke clock is right twice a day.

[@erikpuka2627]

Stephen A trying to make the comeback since T.O called him out and said-"Max almost is blacker than you Stephen A"

[@qdub6581]

I never got that NO players in any HOF can pick whose a HOF, how can a media guy tell me that someone is HOF when players disagree or vice versa

[@back2back379]

Because of bias and personal relationships, whether it’s guys they like or guys they hate. It’s why when you look at NBA all star votes, you see players giving votes for players they like but clearly don’t deserve. I mean, even just last year, more than 30% of the players voted for neither Giannis nor Lebron to be all star starters. That’s ridiculous. Over 50% thought neither AD nor Luka should be starters. On the other hand, 100% of media members voted both Giannis and Lebron to be starters. So you see, although there may be slight bias in the media, there’s not nearly as much as when players vote, this is fact.

[@qdub6581]

@@back2back379 I’m talking about voting for HOF. I would think the other HOFers would take it more seriously to become apart of them.

[@back2back379]

@@qdub6581 I understand that you’re talking about HOF, and I’m talking about biases players display when voting for each other.

[@jsain360]

In baseball they a Veterans committee that vote on players once they're off the ballot

[@atlien1988]

@@back2back379 well it’s likely because the players KNOW LeBron and Giannis are automatically going to receive enough of the fans and coaches votes.

[@zachcoggins9018]

These clowns put in Bud Selig, the guy who turned a blind eye to the juicing going on while raking in the cash, while not putting in arguably the GOAT in

[@Frankieefootballmundial]

Rob Manfred made baseball worst

[@zachcoggins9018]

@@Frankieefootballmundial oh he’s horrible as well. Just pointing the situation out

[@Phil-ui4tm]

A great starting pitcher is the most important position in baseball. That’s why Schilling played and won multiple WS titles. He was much more valuable than Trevor Hoffman or any other closer that’s in HOF.

[@brettt141]

How did we bring race into this when Clemens and Schilling cant get in

[@aussieaussie4848]

Uhhh it's ESPN?

[@amazing50000]

Because a former commissioner, who kept black players out of MLB until he died in 1944 is in the Hall of Fame but Clemens and Schilling are not because of the writers thinking they are ether bad people or did bad things (like take performance drugs) are not in. So you just do not care about what happened to black people in baseball right?

[@tahjsimon9058]

How do you not have a brain to understand the point that was said?

[@MikelineTV]

*Imagine if Scott Rolen goes in before Schilling, Bonds, AND Clemens in 2022!*

[@keynanvarnado7592]

Wouldn't they be off the ballet? Theres a 10 year eligibility max

[@MikelineTV]

@@keynanvarnado7592 The Veterans Committee can vote them in every two years if not after the 10th and final ballot in 2022.

[@rahlohmcdonogh4855]

Ortiz and Arod will be if the sh..hits the fan.

[@tbaze27]

Sammy sosa was a 30 30 guy 5 straight years before he was on the juice maybe he wouldn’t have had 650 hrs but definitely 500

[@Paul-vf2wl]

That's assuming he didn't start taking the juice until 1998. He hit 40 homers in 96 and missed 40 games. The numbers start showing up league wide in 1995 when 21 players hit 30 or more home runs. In 96 there were 43 including 17 with 40 or more. 98 was the year they all started taking HGH that's just when the numbers got crazy it's likely not the start.

[@ragingsavage9059]

Don’t forget about the corked bat. Who knows how long he was using that for.

[@antt4998]

Fact is Barry Bonds never failed a drug test. He played at the top level before and after that stuff came in. Even his last years in the league wit a messed up leg and getting walked he banged it out the park. Bonds was just the best!

[@josephdiaz3935]

I think he did actually fail three years no? And the MLB kept it on the low until the whole story broke and they HAD to release the info

[@antt4998]

@@josephdiaz3935 He never did!

[@danielkarp6922]

When Max gets to talk baseball on the show he goes off

[@freakreacts7575]

yea dude knows baseball... cant say the same thing about basketball doe

[@donaldrailedurmom6264]

He honestly knows more about baseball than basketball. I haven’t seen 1 baseball take of his that I had a problem with. And I’m a pirates fan so you know ESPN wouldn’t dare bring us up 😂😭

[@GoodfellasX21]

@@freakreacts7575 he knows more about basketball than SAS knows football.

[@aaronwin33]

​@@freakreacts7575because Max is very analytics and numbers driven, and that only works in a 1v1 sport like baseball. In sports like football and basketball which there are a lot more variables the analytics don't work

[@simishaqlil23]

I still miss Kobe 😔💜💛💜💛💜💛

[@ChiTownWarrior1]

Erm.....aite.

[@michaelx1511]

You act like you knew him personally 🤔

[@leftbenchplayaa]

no one cares go to a kobe helicopter crash video

[@brickmoney4152]

Baseball the only sports where fans care about steroids. NFL got dudes testing for peds every year. 4-6 games suspension and back on the field you go making plays. Bonds is one of the Greatest hitters ever if not the Greatest hitter ever . Oh by the way a HOF outfielder . Clemons and Schilling get in to. Only dudes that I’d be hesitant to let in is Mark McGwire and A-Rod, juicing their entire career. Wish they all could get in though because MLB allowed it.

[@noseblind2088]

The one time per year that First Take talks about baseball

[@utl_sports4784]

if only it happened more

[@plutotech]

@@utl_sports4784 if only baseball was more exciting and not stuck in 1904.

[@utl_sports4784]

@@plutotech in a way your right

[@darkstar9751]

@@plutotech I mean they could still talk about the game one way to get more fans is for more national media attention... in a way they are the problem since they don't talk about it.

[@plutotech]

@@darkstar9751 its a reason baseball is in 4th place. Its not interesting till the playoff starts. The season is too long, its boring till then.

[@StephenHSmith-mn4iq]

yesterday officially solidified the baseball hof is the ultimate joke and worst of all sports, and the baseball writers are words you cant say on youtube anymore

[@Ladran_Sancho]

Problem with that argument is that Schilling is a borderline case for the HOF, even without all the controversy. He had 5 good seasons. 5. The postseason is another story, he was a beast in the postseason. But I don't know that that's enough to induct a borderline candidate.

[@georgeprchal3924]

It's the only one that matters. That's why people care.

[@jsain360]

They put in Harold Baines, who shouldn't even sniff the HOF, but leave Bonds out

[@GoodfellasX21]

@@Ladran_Sancho what controversy im seriously confused with schilling? He should be in and not even a fan of his teams

[@leftbenchplayaa]

they arguably have the best hof in all of sports because of how prestigious it is. Basketball hof is a joke because of how easy it is to get in. same with football

[@montycook3505]

Did somebody fart? 😭

[@abyssmp3]

what? LOL

[@Jcoz-uc4by]

Max has a history OF rippin booty on AIR!!

[@biglow7913]

3:03

[@donaldrailedurmom6264]

@@biglow7913 LMAOO

[@elm4380]

@@biglow7913 yoooo 😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexmiller7771]

Best take I've ever heard on the topic. Totally changed my perspective. Cheers.

[@davidatherton7177]

straight up... ESPN is terrible at dealing with cameras. The amount of time it is on people after they are done talking is astounding.

[@tufoinproductions]

The delay is terrible

[@deejay1964]

The whole Hall of Fame process is antiquated, players voted on by Baseball Writers is ridiculous. The people who should vote are the people in baseball, not writers who work for media outlets, let baseball judge baseball. The whole system should be changed.

[@shanaeverowe9626]

This whole situation is insane. Put someone in the HOF if you can't give the history of that time period without this player. You want to shame them for transgressions put it on their plaque. Rose/Clemons/Bonds are such a part of the record books, how can you leave them in there but not have them in the HOF? Too many borderline players have gotten in with literal legends not. Raines and Trammel are in but Bonds and Clemons are not? In what world?

[@LouieR.4682]

Jeff Passan has vinyl copies of wu-tang, rage against the machine and radio head. Plus the snes, you sir are a legend

[@sweetexorcist7322]

Pete Rose deserves to be in!

[@Urbohat]

Barry Bonds in SF was the most dominant player in any sport I have ever seen in my life. They refused to pitch to him more than half the time and especially in the playoffs. If he's NOT in the HOF then there is no HOF. Clemens also I believe had 3 Cy Youngs Before he left Boston and supposedly took HGH in Toronto.

[@dustman820]

I also think there is no Hall of Fame because the all-time hits leader, Pete Rose is not in as well.

[@anonymoususer69]

“How do you do __________ and sit on a moral high ground?” This applies to so many things in so many areas. In general if someone is trying to claim the moral high ground it is because they know they don’t have any claim to it

[@jeethha1]

Omar Vizquel has the highest fielding percentage in MLB history for a shortstop. Put him in the Hall of Fame now!

[@isaacdonnelly20]

Bonds is the most deserving out of those three

[@brettt141]

Then he shouldnt have cheated

[@aroperdope]

@@brettt141 Then take Bud Sellig out too. He was in on it.

[@brettt141]

@@aroperdope sure. idgaf about bud selig.

[@andreingramakadjscrewrip7372]

@@brettt141 The hall does, though. That's the problem. You're more consistent with your opinions than the hall is with theirs lol

[@_The_Journey]

Jeff was awesome in his interview with Pat 💯

[@dustman820]

I like Jeff Passan just for the fact that he has an original NES console behind him.

[@tccandler]

Clemens -- Yes. Bonds -- Yes (after his death). Schilling -- No. Pete Rose -- Yes (with an official apology from MLB to him).

[@qdamusiq5006]

Barry Bonds has to die to get in ? Bonds isn’t dead

[@jackson5781]

I'm a friend of Curt's and he has never said a bad thing about you Stephen A !!!

[@frankdibugnara3471]

Curt Schilling is all about Curt Schilling 24/7 365

[@jordanposvar3616]

Max nailed it

[@mrhanglider]

3:03 & 6:18 funniest ESPN segment in years

[@muthomi__7097]

Mans got Wu Tang Hes fine with me

[@hiphopesq]

Every HoF should allow inductees to have a vote, and maybe have an open forum to discuss the vote each year.

[@andreamaramotti8714]

Yes! It's a museum!

[@jamiethomas5849]

They put Mike Mussina in the hall of fame. Mike Mussina. In the hall of fame. Mike Mussina 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jonathonedwardmiller]

THANK YOU PASSAN FOR HAVING A SOUL!

[@borood1188]

Schilling's comments helped him more than hurt him. He was at 40% now he almost got in. His career on the field is borderline, I don't think he actually deserves it, but lesser careers have made it.

[@darkstar9751]

if it werent for randy johnson he would have 4 consecutive CY youngs.... he should be 1st ballot

[@ripdjscrew2000]

Jeff You Da Man Bro With The Classics....Wu-Tang 36 Chambers & NES System 😎😉🤘🏾💪🏾

[@spookyboi8446]

Omar Vizquel is one of the 3 best pure infielders of all time. He could grab anything hit in the hole.

[@brandongordon2392]

Jeff Passan went in!!! Stephen A. Smith also went in too!!!

[@JJTVG]

We need Bonds, Clemens, and even Rose in the HOF.

[@2160michael]

CURT SCHILLING DESERVES TO BE IN!....I'm not watching MLB baseball until Curt Schilling is in...looks like I'm never watching MLB baseball again, which I'm cool with.

[@darkstar9751]

I didn't mind what u said up until that last comma...😢

[@2160michael]

@@darkstar9751 why would I give a league attention when they’re not acting with integrity? HOF...cheating scandals left and right. It bothers me. It sucks cuz baseball is a great game

[@lonnyfuller7830]

Jeff is on point.

[@jaygray26]

Jeff Passan for president!!!

[@nmm27]

If Morals and sportsmanship are so important for the hall of fame then why is Ty Cobb in it?

[@patw8333]

I have never agreed more with Max. He is spot on about all three of these men.

[@owendyson5509]

All three of them should be in especially schillings and bonds

[@chalklounge]

Gotta love sanctimonious Passan. If you have a vote then you can be part of the sane, rational voting pool. To give up your vote because you think the process stinks is actually the worst thing you can do.

[@dameronh]

3:03-3:06. What was that?

[@horsecockphepner]

BRRRAAAPPPPPPP

[@TheJakekeller22]

Schilling should have been voted in.. Who you support politically is your personal business and shouldn't affect your job or future endeavors.

[@FromRussia_wLuv]

The baseball HOF is a joke if Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens aren’t in. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@dontrellmayfieldjr2868]

It's a crime and hypocritical

[@skolvikings5445]

Is it just me or did someone fart at 3:04...Or was that just a microphone being moved

[@sebas2625]

sounds like they did

[@horsecockphepner]

BBBBRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP

[@youngchief31]

I want to hear what Elmo thinks about the Hall of Fame

[@formulahank1250]

I think baseball does a good job of having a high standard for Hall of Famers. Compared to say the Hockey Hall of Fame, I definitely prefer the high standards of Cooperstown. But to keep Bonds out is ridiculous. He was a three-time MVP before the noticeable bulk and had Willie Mays type stats. He'd be a first-ballot guy just off of those 10 seasons. He needs to get in

[@keithratel6590]

If your gonna win a boxing match by decision but win by knockout and then they find out you loaded your glove then you still get disqualified. You don’t get to say “I was going to win anyway”.

[@dg_7243]

First of all, if they allowed players who did the same things as the players who they are leaving out, then, yes, the players who are out should be in the HOF. However, my point of view is that any player who is racist, homophobic, who cheated etc... should NOT be in the hall of fame. People always bring up that what they did ON the field is enough to get them in but it doesn't end there. When you're a professional athlete for one of the 4 major sports, you also have a platform and a LOT of people look at what you do and say whether they like it or not. It's about your character and being decent as well. So, if you cheated or you're racist or homophobic, that MATTERS TOO. Think about it, if you're a professional athlete, KIDS look up to you so the stuff you do and say MATTERS and also, you're supposed to represent your team and the league in a good way which doesn't include cheating, racism, being homophobic etc... Can you imagine if Lebron James, Steph Curry, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, etc... were RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, OR CHEATERS??!!!!! Just think about the examples they are placing for the MILLIONS of kids who look up to them and how they're representing their teammates, teams and their leagues. The HOF is designed to recognize the BEST which INCLUDES ON THE FIELD AND OFF THE FIELD. PERIOD.

[@dg_7243]

@Dontae James Players like Barry Bonds were accused of CHEATING!! So, based on your logic where you only care about ON the field, the fact that he is cheating is affecting the outcome of the games. Second of all, the OFF the field does matter. Especially now when all 4 major sports basically have ZERO tolerance for racism, being homophobic, cheating etc... So, I've seen broadcasters, coaches and owners being KICKED out of leagues because they were racist. You need to understand that you're character matters because MILLIONS of people will stop patronizing your sport if you are racist or homophobic AND it will affect sponsors and endorsements. If you don't believe me,, look what happened with the Washington Redskins and their racist name. A group of companies who do business with them were threatening to cut ties if they didn't change the name and the team would have lost at least 600 million dollars if they didn't change it. And guess what, they changed it!!! IT AFFECTS THE TEAM'S MONEY WHICH IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT DON'T YOU THINK??!!! Also, the kids matter. MILLIONS of kids look up to these athletes, so if they are displaying horrible character, think about the example they are placing for the next generation. Lebron James and other athletes have always said how important it is to pave the way for the next generation so the example of your character does matter. Also, as an athlete, you're supposed to grow the sport, represent your teammates, team and the sport with class and carry on the legacy of the sport for the greats that came before you and for future generations so that INCLUDES YOUR CHARACTER. When they are deciding who to induct in the HOF, they think about ALL of these things because they MATTER whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

[@dg_7243]

@Dontae James I am telling you that those people shouldn't be in the HOF. I explained to you why. If there is already those kinds of players in the HOF, then, fine, let the other guys in as well but I am telling you that ALL of those guys SHOULDN'T be in the HOF. Guys who represented their sport with class are guys like Mahomes, Rodgers, Curry, Lebron James etc... These guys will DESERVE to be in the HOF. That's the difference.

[@Happypucks]

Spot on points

[@DanielRGonza]

Clemens,Schilling,and bonds aren’t getting in next year sadly cuz Big papi & A-Rod are eligible to be voted in

[@randomnerd2332]

A-Rod ia one of the most known steroids users so he is definitely not gonna get in for a while & even ortiz has had some rumors & history with PEDs (I'm not as familiar with Ortiz's history so I can't say for sure) & that is to add on to the fact that a significant segment of the HOF voters already wouldn't let him him just because he served mainly as a DH.

[@zachcoggins9018]

And Papi will get in smfh

[@ripdjscrew2000]

MLB Should Be Ashamed Of Themselves

[@notoriouseagle1074]

This is what drives me nuts about the whole steroids issue. I understand being skeptical about Manny and A-Rod, but Bonds and Clemens took them in an era where it wasn't outlawed. Can't blame them.

[@birdsonthebat9452]

Max didn't propose a new way to vote lol, he just argued for and against some of the guys on the ballot.

[@nicoli3427]

I disagree with their views on Curt's character, but 100% correct. I disagree with a large portion of Steven As political and moral views, but if he played any sport like Curt did, he should be in the hall of fame.

[@janseyveloz8515]

You people overlook the fact Sosa continued to play years after players started being tested and he still hit many homers despite his age, a starting way less games. Time in which he never tested positive.

[@Darshawnnglynn]

Barry bonds 73 home Run single season 2001 already hall of fame

[@user-sb1vz9pv5y]

Can we stop with the Bonds was a hall of famer before steroids but Clemens wasn't. Clemens had almost 200 wins by age 32. About the same as Greg Maddux. Clemens was a hall of fame worthy before steroids.

[@chazfatur1929]

Now if you see the differences from mid 80's on the Pirates, till this video of him on the Giants '93-95, not much on a bulk build up, normal weight gain progression. He play 21 seasons, expected to bulk up eventually... I went in the US Navy bootcamp 5'10 1/2" 120 lbs.. they beefed me up on simple starchy hit Carb diet. I went from 120-155 in 8 weeks! Guys & Dolls, that's a 30 lb weight gain in just 8 weeks! Barry bulked up over a 21 season/year career! And the proof is in the puddin'... he was tested several times, most being random & unannounced, and he NEVER tested positive! Put him in the God-damned HOF already! He came 65 hits shy of 3000! 2935! Only 762 of those were HR's! And 176 was with the Pittsburgh Pirates from 86-92! And on top of his hitting, he is the recipient of 8 golden gloves! Only one player above him, Roberto Alomar with 10! Please tell me he doesn't deserve it? And I'll sell ya the Brooklyn bridge... But let's investigate the notion that if he was slipped something, not of his knowledge, it can happen. When I was a teen, I was finally invited to help decorate for our HS Homecoming float. When I was driving home, I got into an accident. When I had bloodwork done at the hospital, they found Barbiturates in my system, downers! I know, with my right hand to our Creator, I never took anything willingly. trust & believe Barry when we said the same... but even being tested several times, he still NEVER tested positive! @/bondshof

[@LanceVance81]

Mike Piazza, Harold Baines and Barry Larkin being in the HOF but not Barry Bonds makes the institution a joke. And Roger Clemens deserves to be in too. John Rocker used steroids (and it was real obvious) but dude was still a major scrub. What Clemens did Toronto, what he did to the Mariners in 2000, what he did with the Astros - that's talent that cant be denied. Man knew how to pitch.

[@zachwachs7913]

Curt Schilling should've been a first ballot.

[@athenasatanjesus]

Mountain Landis also banned women during a time when a woman had a solid chance of making it, the history of the world could have changed for the better if Jackie Mitchell had made it.

[@disco4255]

2002 Barry Bonds is probably the best player who ever played and I never seen a hitter who carried a team so much to win a world series.

[@bernardking13]

Come on Scott Rolen deserves love too

[@alexmiller7771]

What's happening at 3:02?

[@alexmiller7771]

AGAIN AT 6:17 !!! SOMEONE IS RIPPING EM WITH NO REGARD FOR MICROPHONES!!!

[@makepeaceu]

This show has three great ppl on this show. After most debates I’m left feeling disappointed. The way they treat each other sometimes is horrible. SAS seems that it is ok to talk down to Max.

[@aaronlee9380]

They need a young commissioner or a open minded commissioner that have open dialogue to bring young viewers in and maybe to change the all star game. For example: a SKILLS CHALLENGE for the all-star game. - longest arm (top 6 outfield players) - accurate arm (top 6 outfield players) - fastest guy around the bases (top 6 most stolen bases players) - fastest double play timed ( top 6 infield players) Theses things should be implemented by the MLB but won’t

[@nohbuddy1]

No one likes skill challenges

[@jonnie5bgood583]

What did molly mean in the beginning of the video?

[@Thaeffintruth]

Yes. This. All of this.

[@josephjohnroe3678]

SAS you ain't going after anybody hahaha stop it.

[@josephsantos1576]

max and stephen are very good at reading from the cheat sheet someone who actually knows baseball wrote for them

[@tdot2853]

Max actually really knows about baseball Stephen A doesnt

[@swedishboi3208]

love Curt as a person speaking his mind, talk about integrity

[@Idkyou89]

I don’t care what anyone says Barry Bonds would see one good pitch in a game and that one pitch he would destroy it the guy was amazing

[@brianvail9212]

who would want to introduce Schilling at the Cooperstown ceremony? he's burned a lot of bridges since his MLB career ended. how decisive would his speech been? does the town really need this hassle, and how much is Bonds and Clemens a factor as well with their superior numbers?

[@cichowski1980]

Barry Bonds has never failed a drug test. He also is clearly the greatest baseball player to walk this earth.

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

Ty Cobb is in the HOF but Shilling isn't.

[@adamfine3490]

I'm shocked, despite Schilling's political views (which control everything nowadays) First Take says he should be in the hof. 👌

[@SamuelJ888]

Max needs to get off that idea that if you were a hall of fame type player prior to cheating, you should still go it. It gives great players incentives to do whatever they want and not have to face any punishments for it. Like should Altuve automatically be going to the hall of fame after the cheating scandal cuz he was a HOF prior to that? Its a bad argument.

[@nomoney_sniper1885]

I dont think schilling is scared of Stephen A either being as he can't even throw a punch correctly lol

[@thewho2482]

Bud Selig, what are you doing in the HOF?