Immersive Ear Training: Minor Scale (1-Hour)

[@maxkonyi]

This video is a direct recording of my Sonofield Ear Trainer mobile app running in its "Pocket Mode", which enables hands-free training while you walk, commute, or relax. Sign-up here to be notified when SET releases for iOS and Android: www.sonic-sorcery.com/set

[@f4ntt0m]

Your channel is the sickest thing ever. I can’t believe it isn’t more popular.

[@angkari7244]

Not everyone wants to do immersive ear training but I’m one of the lucky ones that do. this channel is cool

[@tanisharma96]

The Immersive Ear Training series is helping me so much !! I feel I am becoming so much better at understanding notes and intervals. Thank you so much for these videos!

[@maxkonyi]

That's great! Thanks for letting me know 🌞

[@themathguy]

Thank you for these! I've got these on repeat in my car when I'm driving in to work.

[@GooZe...]

Train your ears while meditating... This is amazing. With that lovely drone in the background. That's some useful asmr stuff. Love it.

[@456Edot]

Best ear training on yt! Literally watch this entire vid 🔥🔥🔥

[@shoeeeeee8113]

Thank you so much!! These videos mean a lot to me and I find your explanations of ear training to be the most comprehensive 💪🏻

[@heuxheux]

Such a simple yet well designed training. Super nice channel as well. Very very good work, thank you

[@ApulicaOfficial]

Best ear training vdo on earth

[@chickenezface]

i just got highs and though of the exact same idea for a channel, keep it up bro you gonna go big with this quality

[@davidsummerville351]

This is so difficult. Thanks so much for making it that way.

[@uwose]

It is crazy how different the scale degrees 5, 2 and 4 sound/feel compared to Major mode. - Half of the time I immediately recognise the 4 as a dominant sus4 chord that wants to resolve as 4 - 3 - 2 - 3 (with Major 3rd) - but staying in dominant and not wanting to resolve as the leading tone to the tonic 1. - The other time I didn't recognise the 4 at all. I didn't get a wrong answer; there simply was no answer in my head. It requires a lot of humming of many of the notes to verify them. But it's really hard to be able to hum them. Hitting the notes is so strange when there is the drone as the tonal center, even if in interval ear training it is easy to recognise b3 b6 b7 b10 and even b13 b14. But it seems that humming leads to rapid progress. In other words: this exercise seems very effective for me, just what I was waiting for. And I'm looking forward to exercises that include b2 and #4.

[@uwose]

Now, some hours later - initially with headphones, meanwhile with built-in speaker of the tablet - it's getting faster and faster. 90% correct within the given time, many immediately. Some hesitant. Some high-pitched notes wrong, so I repeat each of them several times after its predecessor to get to know them better.

[@maxkonyi]

@@uwose Good to hear!

[@Test-zd4mp]

Great, I‘ve been hoping for this one!

[@strangerting7818]

Yes! Been waiting for this! 🙏🏻

[@BlessedOne686]

Max, this is wavy fr fr 🔥.

[@TonhoHumilde]

Must have for ear training, thank you man

[@nowil]

Wonderful! I have been excitedly waiting for the minor scale video the whole week! What is the rough timeframe on the release of the app? Will it be available in a the coming months or will it take until next year? I can't wait! Keep up the good work!

[@maxkonyi]

Glad you like it! App will be ready in the next month or two. Going into beta right now...

[@quang_phm]

Thanks for making this video. It helps me alot.

[@RobGuitar10]

Bellissimo , posso studiare mentre lavo i piatti... grazie 🙏 🙏 🙏 ❤❤❤

[@douglasmayersanchez2870]

Cant wait for the release

[@ScribblyDoodle]

Strange that i find this sooo much easier than the major scale.

[@oppabfam435]

Could you please give us the other scales of music like this? I really love your helps for musicians. God bless you!

[@maxkonyi]

Chromatic scale coming soon. Also, the actual app is in beta right now and will soon be released. Then you can use any scale you want!

[@oppabfam435]

@@maxkonyi cheers!

[@forcymusic]

Nice! I really like the calm vibe, it's a great atmosphere for learning ear training. Will there also be chords?

[@maxkonyi]

Sonofield can't do chords (at least not yet). I have plans for chord-related videos but they will be something different from this.

[@avtem]

9:48 is droning here going out of tune? I hear it getting lower in pitch

[@maxkonyi]

Nope. Just an audio illusion of some kind!

[@micofremusical]

Awesome!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Thank you!!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@hem1234ful]

Thanku sir I have a question I can identify notes by listening But while actual music I can not find notes by ear and tonic

[@mrquick6775]

This is a muscle memory issue, hand ear coordination problem. Most people don’t realize that playing by ear requires more than just your ears. It’s actually two steps: A. What your ears hear B. Being able too find and knowing where the notes are at on your instrument. These are two separate skill sets and there is also a third step involved but it comes later.. Go check out Corey Henrys muscle memory exercises here on YT!

[@ghostly106]

I cant actually find this, whats the name of the video? ​@mrquick6775

[@maxkonyi]

In actual music, there are many factors coming together which make things more difficult. In particular, having changing harmony/chords means that you might hear a note as being relative to the current chord instead of relative to the key. Start by hearing the melody, pausing the music, singing it back and slowly working out the scale degrees by feeling like with a drone. Once you get the right answer, listen again to the music with that knowledge in mind and keep track of the degrees. Repeat this and you'll find it becomes easier.

[@StrangeLeap]

I can't find those muscle memory exercises. Can you link them? ​@@mrquick6775

[@Robertlavigne1]

Thanks Max! Here goes! Day 1: 30 mins in 2 sessions. Flat 3 actually started really strong. Similar vibe to major 3 just a bit sadder. Flat 6 and 7 are a mess for me. But I also have a hard time just singing a natural minor scale. I always want to go harmonic on it. I need to solidify those 2 notes in my brain. 1,2,4,5 are all strong.

[@maxkonyi]

Nice! Good to hear

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Guna join you in journaling. I’ve been practicing often but not consistently everyday

[@Robertlavigne1]

Day 2: 30 mins in 2 session. Still a long way to go on the flat notes. They really stand out as foreign after doing the major scale ones for so long but hard to really identify what they are.

[@Robertlavigne1]

Day 3: 30 mins in 2 sessions. Spent some extra time at the piano singing and playing this scale a lot. Really helped figure out the b6 a lot better. Still a long way to go but it at least has a home in the scale in my brain now.

[@Robertlavigne1]

Day 4: 30 mins in 2 sessions. Long way to go! Thought I was getting somewhere but lots of confusion today.

[@colleenpingel3704]

So helpful! Could u do one with chords?

[@maxkonyi]

Yup, working on it slowly...

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Day 3 and I’m getting it more and more :) PS: Week 2 and this still kicking my butt. But less and less each day. 👇Restarting and journaling below

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Day 1: b6 is the easiest to hear so far. Struggling with 4, b7, 2. I tend to get b3 half the time. Higher octaves are much more difficult.

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Day 2: b6 still the easiest. Managed to get 4 a little more this time around. Still tough tho

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Day 3: 25 minute session. Only noted down the last 11 minutes 1:✅❌✅✅✅✅✅✅❌❌✅❌✅ 2: ✅✅✅❌❌❌❌❌ b3:✅✅✅✅✅❌❌ 4:❌❌❌➖❌❌❌➖❌➖ 5:❌❌✅❌❌✅ b6:➖➖✅❌➖ b7:❌✅❌❌➖✅❌❌ 4 is actually the hardest one for me so far. I kept mixing up 1&5 when it was a higher octave. The ➖ meant I just didn’t answer and I was trying to internalize. b6 was harder today for whatever reason 🤷🏻‍♂️ Sometimes when the b2 and b7 are low octaves and close to the tonic they sound more dissonant and I’m not sure which one is correct.

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Day4: Only managed to do 5 minutes before falling asleep. Had a long day, but happy I decided to still try at the end of the day. Will do a Longer Session for day 5

[@Ghost_Hardwar3]

Day 5: 30 minutes (2, 15 minute sessions) 1:✅✅✅❌✅✅❌ 2: ❌✅➖❌❌❌➖✅➖✅❌ b3:❌❌❌❌✅✅❌❌❌➖❌ 4:✅➖❌❌❌❌❌❌❌➖✅❌❌❌ 5:✅✅❌✅✅➖➖✅✅ b6:❌❌✅❌✅➖✅✅❌✅❌ b7:➖❌✅➖➖❌➖❌❌❌➖ Felt terrible at it today. :( hopefully tomrw is better

[@sebby1989]

If we use the playback speed feature to slow these videos down, will it negatively impact the sound and therefore hamper the effectiveness of this exercise? I'm under the impression when you slow down or speed up sounds it can change the pitch or quality of the sound? Id like to slow it down to give myself for time to recognize the sounds.

[@spacecash9721]

Maybe I did too much interval training in the past but when I hear say b3 for example, I count down in the scale "b3 - 2 - 1" or a b6 I will count up "b6-b7-1." This happens quite quickly like in the time in takes for you to reveal the answer so it works here. However with a real song I struggle a lot, is this perhaps because I'm not focusing on the FEELING as much as relying on that quick method of figuring the interval? Or is this an ok way and I will just get faster to the point it doesn't really matter and the feeling will take precedent? I hope that makes sense. THANKS for all you do it's been amazing. Can't wait for the app.

[@bigalbbq8483]

It’s okay to do this. In my experience it is similar to having a system for colors like school buses are yellow, that has the same color as a school bus so it must be yellow. Eventually you lose said association and just know the color yellow. For real music just practice resinging the song and go slowly for identifying each interval, eventually you will get faster. I’m still new to this relatively speaking but I remember thinking I can identify intervals but not in songs, theres just more distracting content so you have to slow it down/isolate sounds until you can do it.

[@SamrawitTadesse-l9c]

is the one Eb? doesn't sound one on the piano ?

[@maxkonyi]

The key changes every few minutes, so the 1 does not stay static for the whole video.

[@Vunsunta]

Heya, does pocket mode allow you to set the length of time before your voice tells you the answer?

[@maxkonyi]

Indeed!

[@strangerting7818]

I find some keys much harder than the others. What does it mean ?

[@maxkonyi]

You mean certain numbers/scale degrees are harder than others? Or actually certain keys as in different tonics are harder than others?

[@strangerting7818]

@@maxkonyiI mean different tonics. Another issue I have is that sometimes I mistakenly think the relative interval of two notes is the answer. Say the first one is a 2 and the following one is also a 2 but an octave above, I may think the second note is a 1 instead of 2. (Maybe I did too much relative pitch exercise in the past 😅) Looking forward to the release of the app btw. I’ve been practising with this video every day

[@maxkonyi]

@@strangerting7818 Yeah I know what you mean... there are all sorts of difficulties that arise in this stuff. Persitence and patience will sort them out...for the most part. Personally, I don't have any more difficulty with one tonic over another unless my mind does not swap the feeling of tonic onto the new drone and instead hears it as a scale degree in the previous key.

[@yo_its_devo]

Anyone else find the minor scale easier than the major? There's something so unique about the flat 3 and 6. I think I may just enjoy the minor scale more. So moody haha

[@thewalrus3657]

Yes i definitely noticed that. May be an assumption but I def listen to more music in the minor scale personally

[@ScribblyDoodle]

Saaaaame

[@avtem]

So far I can't help but sing the "resolution" for most degrees (for example when I hear IV I sing IV and then V automatically. Or if I sing vii I sing I automatically)

[@maxkonyi]

That's not a bad thing. But it is nice to focus on the individual scale degree feeling exclusively as well, which is what this method is all about. It will take some time to get used to if you've been using resolutions a lot.

[@jms1016.0]

Man would be cool if you can have minor scale with the normal scale degree as well, from 6 to 6. Maybe in a video just like this except with chord progressions

[@jms1016.0]

I guess if in the app you can keep the narration without flatted notes then just change the drone to enter a new mode, then that would be perfect.

[@maxkonyi]

Not sure what you mean exactly...

[@jms1016.0]

@@maxkonyi Well if the drone were like a bass player that can play a new bass note, and cause 1234567 to all feel different. With being able to change the drone note and keep the same scale degrees, you can imitate exactly how a song with chord progressions work, and not have to have a new note 1 for every chord change.

[@maxkonyi]

@@jms1016.0 Ah ok, I understand. Yeah that's an interesting idea for sure. I'll have to give it some thought.. Thanks!

[@camilacreed1396]

LETS GO

[@swaggyboi-nk9rb]

W

[@dimitriarches6518]

D1: 17/30

[@dimitriarches6518]

D6: 16/30 24/30 25/30

[@dimitriarches6518]

D7: 18/20 24/30 20/30

[@dimitriarches6518]

D8: 26/30 24/30 23/30

[@dimitriarches6518]

D9: 23/30 18/30 28/30

[@dimitriarches6518]

D10 : 23/30 26/30 20/30

[@user-zn2ze2cx1o]

I dont understand the logic

[@maxkonyi]

Of the exercise in general?

[@user-zn2ze2cx1o]

@@maxkonyiYes.

[@maxkonyi]

@@user-zn2ze2cx1o The point is to become familiar with the feeling states of each note (degree) within a key. Each scale degree feels a particular way when you hear it and this is true in all keys. This exercise plays the degree for you, says which number it is, and then plays it again to confirm. The point is to connect the feeling of the scale degrees to the numbers so that when one occurs, the other comes to mind

[@user-zn2ze2cx1o]

@@maxkonyi not easy

[@Demida148]

​​​@@user-zn2ze2cx1o Imagine this, you’re standing on the ground ... that’s the home/drone note (let’s say C). Now, you take a step to another spot, like F. How does it feel? This step, the "distance" between C and F, has a certain feeling...like traveling from home to school, let’s say 6 km. Now, let’s switch it up. Imagine a new home base/drone, like D. This time, you step to G. The feeling of this step... the distance from D to G ... is the same as the distance from C to F. It’s still “6 km.” The relationship between the two notes (home and the next destination) stays the same, even if the home changes. This exercise is all about listening to that relationship ... the feeling of the distance ...no matter where you start. 1. The drone (home note) plays to set your ground or starting point. 2. A new note is played every time (your next destination). 3. You focus on the feeling of the step, or the “distance,” between home and that note. 4. Max is also describing the note to you, “This is the 4th” (or whatever scale degree/destination), and you connect the sound and the feeling of that relationship. Over time, you’ll recognize these distances (relationships) no matter where “home” is. It’s like knowing that traveling 6 km always feels the same, whether it’s from school to home or office to the hospital, the 6 km always feels the same. Your job is to hear and feeling these distances in music.

[@juanp.lievanok.3737]

I have heard a tip for this type of functional ear training which is to try to sing the resolution from the note we hear to the tonic, but this tip seems somewhat at odds w.r.t. what you recommend of just sitting with the feeling. It also doesn't feel like training automatic recognition as it takes some work, almost like summing out a multiplication table exercise instead of memorizing the multiplication tables. Do you think it's good to try to sing the resolution to identify the note? And do you think this is at odds with what you mean by "sitting with the feeling"? Thank you so much for these videos!

[@maxkonyi]

From my perspective, resolutions can be helpful in situations where you are confused but, as you say, they are too slow for real time use. Feeling-states, with practice, become immediate, no thinking. That being said, sometimes I get confused and need to resolutions or other tricks to orient myself again.