🔪Clone Knives....let's Talk About This (Nicely)

[@georgesilverhawkstrailcame2297]

Interesting and very informative. To be completely honest, a good "Beater Knife" is generally the type of knife I use every day in the field. If I'm forced to cut materials not recommended to cut with a top end knife and it damages the blade... its doesn't break my heart to spend $20-$30 to replace it. Same applies to losing my work knives... or ones that are borrowed and not returned as is what happens a lot. And to be completely honest about many Beater Knives, I have a handful that I got in the early 1980s that have be terribly abused, dulled and resharpened repeatedly, and they're still going strong. So for me, a "Beater Knife" is all I carry in the field. Well said, and I agree with you. Good straight-up review.

[@sztaylor89]

Definitely a no on counterfeit knives trying to pass them off as the real brand name knives, I'm fine with clones assuming they aren't using technology with an active patent on it, but once the patent term ends I have no problem with a clone using the technology (for example, the axis lock)

[@billbush1270]

I have a sorta-Delica in my console for opening mail before I come on down the driveway or to use for convenience when on the road. If it disappears, no big loss. I have 2 good Spydercos I carry on me depending on the day. Worth the price. Would not want to leave either in the car.

[@nathski22]

Great video. I like to think of the Ganzo knives as homages almost. Same with a few watches I have that are paying homage to a few Swiss pieces that I can’t afford. I have a Ganzo, it’s a great beater knife-it’s in the kitchen drawer currently and I use it a fair amount for food prep. Takes a great edge!

[@DraftDodger69420]

I buy $10 Medford chinese clones and send them into Medford for repairs. I actually got letter from Greg calling me loser. I’ve never been more proud.

[@jdisdetermined]

I absolutely love my Green Thorn Shiro clones. Had them and used them constantly for many years and they’re still as good as the day I got them. I have some $300+ knives now, and still consider the Green Thorns my favorite, just because of how good they are for the price.

[@michaelvcelentano]

Great video explaining a sensitive topic! Hopefully, this video becomes a good starting point for people getting into knives and wanting an honest conversation about clones

[@cintage]

As far as clones are concerned, I also have mixed feelings. Totally agree to you. Counterfeits are problematic, because they deceive the customer. They look nice, but they rarely offer good quality. I have bought some counterfeits because I wanted to see if they are any good. Only one of them is a really good knife, most of them are mediocre at best, some are really bad. I also own several copies (clones) by Ganzo, SRM or others. Those are mostly very good, at least some decent knives. Some people say that those clones stop customers from buying the real ones. But I think those knife fans who buy a Ganzo would not buy a 250$ knife - at least not at that moment. So they do not stop potential buyers, they rather "condition" them. Once they have seen how much fun a certain knife can be, they perhaps go for the original knife later. But then, I might be wrong. I have not done some empirical research. It's just a feeling.

[@norho8129]

Its one thing to look at these knives and comment on them positive or negative. Its another thing to look at my Ganzo F727 black that I have bought in early 2018./19. The knife has lived for the past 4 years as a user (not beater) and its one of the smoothest and flickiest knivest that I own. As it is my first folder that I bought with my own money, it will definately remain close to me. So, if you are thinking about buying something from Ganzo and use them, go ahead, you WILL NOT be dissapointed.

[@druidic4353]

Kizer

[@onearnedbandit]

I could be wrong but pretty sure byrd knives were originally cloning spyderco before being bought out by spyderco

[@maxlvledc]

Oh??? They were not originally owned by spyderco?? Interesting

[@mr.crumbles2557]

I've gotten a few ganzos for buddies without adding a disclaimer about them being clones. One of them got into collecting knives. I'm glad the option exists

[@Berglecutt]

I would trust my life to my Benchmade before I would my Ganzo. That being said it’s comparing apples and oranges: I like them for different things. They fit different bills.

[@edwardfletcher7790]

The market for people who want decent $20-$50 knives is 100x the $200 show off knives that never leave the house !

[@maxlvledc]

Agree 100%

[@davidlagno7717]

I have mixed feelings as well. Thanks for doing this video. I'm thinking of getting the Rat clone and after watching this I'm going to. I had a really large collection from budget to 500$ knives from over 20yrs of collecting I lost after moving and a divorce 😢 I love knives. So I'm starting over on a budget, Here we go.

[@unfi6798]

Unless you are a collector or snob, there is nothing logically wrong with clones/fake knives. It is affordable & very functional. Occasionally you might find ones that visually looks "cool" than the originals. We all start with low end then progress to high end stuff but not all of us can spare the coins. Great vid mate, it gives perspective & thoughts.

[@pugchronicals1374]

I 100 % agree with what you said in this video.Ganzo makes excellent knives for the money.

[@vladtheimpala5532]

Q: What do you do when the clone is better than the original? A: Buy the clone, especially if it’s only $20.00. The decision is a little more difficult if the clone is actually ripping off someone else’s design but if it’s higher quality and has better features like that knife which has a better locking mechanism, that’s the nature of competition. Products get better, prices get lower. The manufacturer with the superior product is rewarded and the consumer is able to purchase a superior product for a lower price. If it’s a cheapo rip off of someone else’s design and it’s actually an inferior product then no. I wouldn’t feel good about rewarding someone for stealing someone else’s design. The original designer should get the credit and the financial rewards.

[@fabiomneves05]

"Clone" or inspired versions are different of counterfeit for me. I hate counterfeits. Clones and inspired versions (like some Ganzo models) can attract the interest of new consumers to the original models. And, as said, if you lose them or destroy them, it's not the end of the world.

[@GOxHAM]

I agree, I got Green Thorn's version of the Spyderco Techno. I've owned both Technos and the Green Thorn is miles better than it. It also has a lot of differences and upgrades compared to the Technos. It even looks and feels more premium.

[@avalanchefishing5725]

As long as there is no deception I say great.

[@joenewton2021]

Cara Cara 2 great knife carrying one for like 3 years

[@beaurex4756]

For the last 5 years, Ganzo has made some quality products that are getting attention now because of how expensive similar knives have gotten.

[@timothyvolkers5343]

I own the rat model clone in the tan digital camo pattern and I love it for doing tasks that I know could get paint or tape adhesive and other stuff. It works great and if it gets damaged I won't be too angry about it. I actually used it yesterday for some moving boxes and other garage organizing and I dropped it twice and I'm a 6 foot 3inch guy and it's still running like a champ. It really is a great small cost entry to the pocket knife world I'd definitely recommend it to any newby into the EDC world.

[@ollivgv]

Illegal clones of Benchmade are better than original Benchmade in all aspects beside blade steel (they use 440C and D2). But when copy 535 cost 10 and genuine 535 cost 200 (with tax) - nobody needs original. Get copy with titanium or alum hands for $10 + get custom made blade S390 for $20 = $30. Who needs original with cheap plastic and mediocre S30V for damned $200???

[@ollivgv]

Cold Steel clones are not so good - copycats uses baclock instead triadlock

[@FreedomFox1]

Where do you get $20 reblades?

[@ollivgv]

@@FreedomFox1 local workshop, no international shipments

[@nomercyinc6783]

People aren’t buying pocketknives to go out and find custom shit for them. The blade on my bugout is better than my zt knives, my Kershaw knives, and my kizer knives. No excuse being cheap with tools

[@ollivgv]

@@nomercyinc6783 People don't have to pay 200 for a product with a cost of 10. 2000% profit is too far.

[@craigcarroll6161]

I agree with all you've said. Once I'd thought for sure I'd lost my PM2. Missing it, I ordered two actual clones, a military and poor copy of the PM2. I gave that one away to one of the grandsons. But that military clone is not a bad knife. I use it in the garden and when I have to go to the doctors office and can't carry. The category you missed may have been the ones who try to make illegal money off of clones. That market has been exposed pretty well, but you can still be ripped of by a clone on ebay and elsewhere. I'm holding my breath that a used Cold Steel Code 4 I bought on ebay is the real thing. I'll know in a few days. I think I'll smack the back of the blade against a small tree and see if it holds. The Ganzo's are great knives. I have my PM2 and an EndelaK390, but I also love that little Delica type Ganzo. I've bought 2 or 3 and use one to cut my wife's pills in half since it has such a thin, sharp blade. I've given a Ganzo or two away and have a few laying around. Decent knives in their own right and that 440C is a very good steel, especially for that price.

[@FreedomFox1]

Spyderco is investigating an upgrade to their Byrd line steel. Their 8cr is actually pretty good, but people associate it with junk.

[@maxlvledc]

If they go 14c28n I'll buy every single one lols

[@rbs1889]

Knowing Spyderco they will simultaneously increase the price with 100 %

[@mewithknives3481]

12C27 would be a great start.

[@maxlvledc]

@MeWithKnives or 14c28n then I'm sooo happy

[@FreedomFox1]

@@maxlvledc 14c28n seemed like the most popular option on the forum. Spyderco is considering it, along with some higher carbon options. But I agree, 14c28n is perhaps the perfect budget steel. Maximum edge retention is not always the most important quality.

[@bruceevans8837]

Heat treat is 100x more important than metallurgy once you meet some basic requirements. I don't think you can say 440C is "better" than AUS8, 8CR13(or vice versa). Spyderco does some things really well, heat treat is one of them. I see people bemoan 8CR13, buy I have several Spyderco models in 8Cr and find them very usable and easily sharpened without just immediately going away in use. Would I buy a beater and treat it as a consumable? Sure, if I treated knives as consumables. I honestly think the sweet spot for folders to be in the $50 to $80 range, lots of very good steels in that price range with heat treat that is consistent and by reputable manufacturers BD1N, VG10, S30V, 14C28N. Loving your channel content, keep up the good work

[@maxlvledc]

I agree with this 100% ,good news is that the 440c by ganzo is HT on point..multiple independent tests showed it to be solid.

[@shawnpepin7890]

Steel snobs feel like they need to justify the crazy expense by tearing down steels that they feel are lesser. It’s really quite sad… like you said, I would rather have a proper heat treat and on point geometry than the fancy letter soup steel of the day. Prime example is BPS and their 1066… most steel snobs would sneer at it, but they have absolutely mastered it given that the have made tens of thousands of blades out of it, they understand it very well. Plus they pass the savings onto the customer. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love technological progress and improvements, but their is a ceiling where the expense seriously outweighs the benefits, and knife companies know that if they push the limits, they can charge a huge markup… very similar to the way the phone companies try to get you to upgrade you already awesome phone by adding very slight improvements and charging a huge premium for top of the line

[@dobie-at-home]

I don’t have a problem with clones, they serve a need as long they don’t try to pass themselves off as an original (counterfeits), I bought a couple of Spyderco Byrd knives just out of curiosity, and can say that “clone of a clone” as you called it, (that Ganzo Byrd/Delica clone) looks to be be leaps and bounds above the Byrd line! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dskennels210]

I got my son that very same ganzo pm2 clone , same color even and it's been good for him. I've gotten him a few ganzo knives and they been real good quality. Imo once the patent runs out its fair game . Dame thing happens all the time is the gun game

[@cintage]

The Ganzo G753 actually is a copy (or a clone if you like) of the ProTech TR-5 SA. However, it's a great knife. Ganzos are almost always amazing.

[@makbar59]

Completely agree. It feels like certain hobbies are getting priced and region locked out of certain countries. The EDC community in my country definitely feels that way. Knockoff versions of knives are completely unacceptable and I have fallen victim to it but the Gerber BG Scout that I had was a very cheap way for me to get into knives. I would have preferred something that wasn't imitating the brand but the experience was the same. It taught me how to use and carry a knife, along with being a good platform to learn how to sharpen a blade.

[@tecnotrog1]

If it is a direct " clone" in the way of passing itself off as "the original' that is a no go for me. That said what you are talking about I have no issues with as they are branded clearly as a different manufacturer. 🦉

[@albertvarona1877]

It's always good to have a beater knife around.

[@jstu45]

I have a nice clone of the benchmade bugout $25 amazon...I use it for everyday chores

[@TheAdequateMedia]

This issue is way more prevalent in the balisong world I’ve noticed, When the community relatively accepts then existing they called him clones otherwise it’s counterfeit I’ve noticed

[@TheAdequateMedia]

What’s the situation around of the Ritter Hogue versus the original bench made knives in your opinion

[@nebulamask81]

@@TheAdequateMedia All parties have said that they're cool with it, so I'm cool with it. Same with how Bm has been using a very Ritter-like blade on their freeks. Tl;dr of what happened (iirc) was that Ritter was doing a collab with Bm and they were using his blade shape on some of their grips, then bm later decided they didn't want to keep doing that and dropped him pretty suddenly. Ritter went to Hogue and got permission from pardue (grip designer) and they started making RSKs. That part is all above board afaik. The Freeks using that blade shape seems more sketch to me, but no one seems to be upset about it or anything else, so it's all fine to me.

[@TheAdequateMedia]

OK cool, being mildly involved in this EDC/naïve community I was embarrassed to ask. Although Lord knows there’s probably a tale written on blade forums.

[@nebulamask81]

@@TheAdequateMedia The vast majority of people in the EDC/Knife communities are super chill, so don't be worried about asking questions. It is the internet, so there are the occasional jerks too, but if some one responds like "How dare you not know the lore behind the RSK?!" or whatever, just ignore them lol.

[@TheAdequateMedia]

@@nebulamask81 ahhh thanks for the insight

[@rcjoe406]

Great info i have the 729 or and 759 or pretty amazing for the price but i am saving for a para 2 in midnight blue

[@stianhansen540]

I bought a sibensa clone from gonzo, beacuse i like the design but cant afford the original. In my opinion the clone is awsome, not the best steel but for ca. 25-30 dollars its a beater and i love it

[@notmillionaires]

Everything you said is so on point. You said it perfectly. I ordered a couple because of you the other day. Even if it was made in chiner. Lol. Jeeesh.

[@mdubb4855]

Important point: Axis lock patent expired (but Axis name is still actively trade marked) and I applaud every company that uses it, legally, today. IMHO liner locks are the least safe on today’s market, and “shallow bite” lock backs don’t inspire confidence. Only the Axis style and Tri Ad locks provide extra certainty the knife won’t unexpectedly close. More power to Ganzo for using the best ideas from other companies, like Axis style locks, Boye dent, etc. Like you, I prefer the Ganzo homage to the Rat 2 over the original - better made. Now I’d like to see a Dozier folding hunter clone from them. Will Ganzo spines work on ferro rods?

[@maxlvledc]

Some will..the really large generic one has a decently sharp spine.

[@mdubb4855]

@@maxlvledc yeah the two I have seem sharp angled enough but I'm not a bushcrafter so I don't have a ferro did for testing. I think it's of interest to bushcrafters since few bushcraft inspired pocket knives seem to have the ability. Notably, several of my Cold Steel have very 90 degrees sharp spines.

[@gonzalez7805]

Awesome video , im not a fan of overpriced stuff

[@adamsutherland4792]

Ganzo makes a solid knife for everyday use I have a few and I'd rather carry them then a 200 dollar knife

[@elsigotchest0422]

I have a ganzo knife. I love it

[@Hungrybird474]

Yeah touchy subject . If it don’t have the name on it I m ok I guess . I did get a green thorn stellar and I ll say it’s really good and it wasn’t pricey . You wouldn’t believe it in yer hand . I have the $300 civivi sand many more and I’m telling everyone it’s a good one 👍. It’s nothing close to the real deal shiro but if I ever can afford one I will certainly get it

[@Hungrybird474]

I have that ganzo 720 too and it’s been really good , no complaints . I wanted the sr 22 but it didn’t have the greatest reviews but looks wise it’s a killer good looking knife integral for only $150 or so .

[@000cipher000]

I'd say i have basically the same opinions as you do. Clones can be a great gateway drug for people new to the hobby (and that's true for other hobbies too, not just knives) and great tools to test something out without selling out a big sum of money and then finding out it's actually bad/not something one wants. Straight up couunterfeits are a big no tho.

[@josepharong1764]

ihave few ganzo firebird knives in me and i like just the way they are.. i cannot afford expensive knives but the porpose of ganzo delivers it. i can cut anything on this knife.. more power on your program..

[@Sanctified_EDC_Gear]

I think they do have a place for those that cannot afford the real version, and or, if they just want to give one try and use it just as you said, a true beater. My only worry is will they Hold Up ? Knifes have gotten so good that you can get some Awesome blades for under $60. Not always do you get what you pay for, but most of the time you do get better fit n finish and they will hold up over time, these cheaper knives, maybe not so much. I personally don't have a Ton of money too spend so the knifes I do have or am willing to spend my money 💰 on, I need them too last, so Quality control is huge for me. Spend what you can and or buy what you can afford, and, at the end of the day a Knife is just a Tool. That knock off Clone style Rat 🐀does peak My interest for sure, for $20 that is pretty darn sweet looking an th action looks great. My real problem is, can I own and carry a knife Co. that's named after a Muppet ??? 😂😆.

[@maxlvledc]

Hell yes! One of the best Muppets lol

[@thedownwardmachine]

For me this debate echoes my thought process for when I go to buy a tool -- do I buy Harbor Freight or Mac? The evaluation comes down to the use case, as in how likely am I to lose it and what are the consequences of the item failing? But for EDC it's a bit different, because the items that I lug around on my body can't just do the job, they also need to feel special. This is why I carry a custom Benchmade Griptilian that I designed in their online configurator. It's on my person so it needs to feel personal.

[@maxlvledc]

Right on!

[@lukasjenicek8253]

iteresting take but i have a verz different opinion , i owned a ganzo and a few sanrenmus , tbh they are not bad knives but i just dont like to support brands that feed of what is basicaly the same design with a different locking mechanism or slightly different lines . I dont shame people for cerrying this stuff because there is a lot of joy to find in clone knives but i just cant see myself carrying one . that being said i also dont think they are as good quality as you say they are , my ganzo folded on my hand multiple times. also with the rat clone being on bearings , it just takes a very utilitarian design with hard use geometry and ads a component that makes it less suitable for hard use

[@SMarcey]

I do not have hundreds of dollars to spend on things im going to use indiscriminatly. I do however have 30 bucks to spend on a knife that looks like the one I really wanted but can never justify buying. SO since im never gonna buy a Paramilitary 2, and Spyderco seems disinterested in doing what say Gibson USA does and have a sub brand that makes a version of their flagship product but constructed with less premium materials and made in the far east simultaneously in order to keep the price competitive. Im gonna keep breaking down my weekly recycling with my Ganzo clone with a superior locking system. That cross bar on the PM2 clone ganzo makes gets real smooth after not much use at all. I took the pivot screw and added some blue loctite to mine and theres a minute amount of wobble but boy is the action slick on it. The world is a market, if an american manufacturer wants to pretend that america is the only place on earth and not utilize every advantage they can, then Im not gonna feel sorry for them for getting out competed by some folks in China. Skill issue on their part. Get good scrubs.

[@pinkcurve]

I'll never buy clone knife, as a graphic designer, I know how to respect others creativity. If you can make it better, just make a better knife with your own better design.

[@alwong604]

I avoid clones/ homages/ knockoffs. The test drive/ test fit less financial outlay argument does not sway me. You're not getting the actual knife so it's not the same. That PM2 clone (I really want to say knockoff) doesn't even have the compression lock, so you're not getting the true experience. I can buy a real PM2, try it, and if I don't like it sell it for a slight loss (or maybe even make a buck or two if it's a limited edition sprint run) so the financial argument does not hold water IMO Beater knife? Sure. Everyone has a budget but would rather have 1 Good knife vs 5 shitters Joy/ Pride of ownership. I remember taking out my Dragonfly ZDP189 and someone from work said "Hey you carry a Spyderco?" The thought of saying "Uhhh, it's actually a gong show..." Sorry if I across as gatekeeping and a knife snob (don't get me started on watches!!) but I love knives and I really would rather save up and have something I would be proud to carry & use, and I yes I do own knives ranging from Chris Reeves to Kershaw (Spydercos get the most EDC time with me). The biggest grey area is designer/ customs licensed to mass producers. I LOVE MY BRAD ZINKER DOGTOOTH from Massdrop but I can't quite swing for a full on BZ

[@ZPositive]

I agree 100%. I'll only add that there are lots of great, affordable knives out there that aren't made in China. Ontario Rat 1 & 2 come to mind. Neither of them is a clone, and neither one results in money going into the hands of the CCP.

[@maxlvledc]

Thanks for this reply!

[@jakelake5290]

I think another section of the clone market you didn't mention is shiro (and other ti framelock) clones. Those Green Thorn Shiro clones are better made than a lot of knives twice the price. It's great for someone like me for whom a real Shiro is a pipe drea.

[@Hungrybird474]

Another I got to comapre to my BM 940 was a clone the reviews were raving about from a certain seller so I checked it out for $40 amd they nailed it except no butterfly . It’s an exact replica . There’s only one seller though who has them apparently . I hope I don’t catch any flack from relating my experiences.

[@gammarayburst4763]

Great video man. I have to say I have a clone Spyderco sleeze Bowie. To be honest it’s actually better than the real one I had them both apart and action and build quality was amazing. It was a expensive clone. But can’t believe how good it was. Amazing.

[@keithmoylan3093]

I have to ask, where did you find a clone for the Bowie? I really like that model but is way too expensive for me to justify. Id buy plane tickets for a trip for that kind of money.

[@gammarayburst4763]

@@keithmoylan3093 if I remember correctly I bought it from a seller on Amazon through email that made it for me. It is actually better action and build quality then the real one I had both side by side apart and I sold the real one and kept the clone. That was before the real one was worth 500 plus lol.

[@Hungrybird474]

All these people check out the clones that everyone has done it. Maybe if you have them but most of us have. It’s best to be honest and go about our days. I have done it for the curiosity reason. Not the reason to go around saying look at my new knife man it’s a shiro , how gay would that be , lol. I am in my community is a trip . Half the people are mindset on price alone . I honestly think it’s a learning process of acquiring a couple hundred knives and seeing the big picture of it’s just a knife

[@nebulamask81]

I would be cautious about calling one knife's steel better than the other just based on the composition. Heat treat goes a long way. The chemical comp sort of sets the high bar, not the low bar. A 8cr done well is still going to have limits, but I would take that over a 440c done poorly. I've found that Ganzo does do a decent HT overall on their 440c, but I'm not at all a fan of their D2 for example. I would also be cautious about some clone knife makers representation of what the steel is, there were some companies that would claim it's one steel when it's actually another. It's not just the $30 "m390" or whatever marked blades either, there are plenty claiming to be d2 or 12c27 or whatever, when it's actually 8cr. Clones can be fine knives and there are more legit makers out there, like I've never heard of sanrenmu/srm/whatever they're calling themselves now to be inaccurate about what they label their knife steel, it just behooves one to do a little bit more research and go with a more reputable manufacturer. In theory a bar lock is stronger than a liner lock, but that's dependent on how well they're done. I've never had an issue with a rat 1/2's lock disengaging on me. I have had an older ganzo knife's lock fail on me during moderately hard use (stupid beater knife stuff lol). It was an older "G" series model, but the tang of the blade wasn't long enough so the bar would occasionally slip off. I don't think I've ever had that problem with their "F" series knives I've had from them though, so I think they've learned how to do it better over time. The F753 is a clone of the Protech TR-5 btw. There used to be a long list of Ganzo knives and what they were cloned from floating around, but I've been out of the clone stuff too long now to remember where I saw it. Overall I have mixed feelings about clones. They are at the least borderline IP theft, and a lot of time, effort, and $ went into designing and testing what they're cloned from. However without ganzo/sanrenmu I wouldn't be buying Benchmade, Hogue, etc. now. The budget knife space has also gotten a lot bigger and better than when I started into knives as well. Ruike makes killer non-clone knives in the $30 area, civivi/sencut in the 40s, etc.

[@maxlvledc]

Your 100% correct about the HT, I also avoid D2 like the plague. Not only are D2 sometimes with suspect origins, they also regularly have bad HT. Petrified Fish does the best budget one with K110 and on point HT.

[@UncleFjester]

*I'm Hog Wild!*

[@hoopie_304]

I was never going to buy the expensive version anyway.

[@groundfog]

Interesting

[@cephasmcpher67peteroutdoorspip]

I don't see anything wrong with clones especially if they are better than the original, if companies don't patent their designs then it's pretty much an open market with the exception of name brand usage.

[@maxlvledc]

You can't pattent a knife or handle shape..that's actually a rule

[@cephasmcpher67peteroutdoorspip]

@@maxlvledc Can a knife company patent a lock type if they came up with the design like the axis lock that was Benchmade's baby wasn't it?

[@rustyknifelover4463]

Knives that are inspired by other knives are not really too bad, but actual clones are theft. I have seen opinions from some that disagree. I would just say that if you designed a unique knife and a company not only stole your design, but sold their knife as yours taking money away from you. I suspect that you wouldn't be okay with that. There are also unscrupulous people that sell or trade the clone as a real knife. Then when the person attempts to send it in for service they get a surprise. Just don't buy clones. Don't steel.

[@maxlvledc]

Most of these came more than a decade after the first release..yea I'm fine with it at that point..nothing should be so forever

[@TopDog8762]

There most certainly is a market for these knives and its growing. And its not unusual for the "clone" knife to be better than the original. I think you and I are on the same page.

[@peddypeoples941]

The term clones exists in the vaping world also, generally copies of expensive atomizers. I don't have a problem with them, they are a way to cheaply test and then buy the good stuff, take the clones outdoors,if they get damaged or lost no big deal.

[@peddypeoples941]

Love the ganzo axis lock rat, got it in Digi camo, very good value,insane action.

[@boog3690]

Why in the world didn't you mention the brands and model numbers while you presented...now we're left guessing

[@maxlvledc]

All of them are #s and all of them are linked below. It's very had to say all of them on camera when the topic was focused on clones generally.

[@boog3690]

@@maxlvledc I figured it out lol. I've been looking at this brand closer now that I have the flip open Dagger

[@marcelrenehallare8619]

Well said my friend❤

[@JoeyB7615]

No prob with any of it but counterfeit..every knife is similar it's a knife come on right

[@nomercyinc6783]

Knock off companies should in fact fail horribly. If you can afford a clone but not an original that’s not special and is your problem . “Looks like” doesn’t make a knife a better brand knife

[@iamfuckingyourwaifuandther2743]

I hate when companies have a unique idea and hog it but don't make anything good with it, so naturally if a company mimics the unique idea and improves on it I'm all for clones. My rule is as long as they don't advertise that they are another company and try "trickery" to deceive someone into buying their knife, Idgaf if it is an exact copy.