MAZDA CX-90's QUALITY AS GOOD AS LEXUS GX? ENGINEER COMPARES THE QUALITY OF THESE TWO VEHICLES

[@engtrax58]

Mazda has truly hit a home run with the CX90! It knocked out of the park. I might even buy one. Great job Mazda! Thanks Dave for another great post!

[@sweetfordfx4]

I have the exact CX-90 and I love it. It drives so well. Such an awesome vehicle

[@legion2004]

Are they expensive. They are on my list of possible purchases next. I am reviewing all options of crossovers.

[@ventorro8055]

Have you noticed any transmission issues on lower speeds?

[@quinlj]

I just bought CX90 MHEV, my 3rd Mazda. My first vehicle is a Mazda 323, an all Japan made. The first one that introduced ABS. I currently driving a Mazda 3 going to and from work and Mazda CX90 for family use. I love all my Mazda vehicles.

[@rocketman3158]

I’ve had 2 different Mazda auto last over 300k before I sold them. Excellent autos! 🎉

[@DanQuentinJames]

David, I agree with you. Mazda has done an amazing job with the CX-90 pertaining to quality, drivetrain, features and the pricing. I do think the U.S. dealers might be asking more than list price for the CX-90...at least at first market introduction.

[@t3h8ar0n]

Per my local Mazda dealer, Mazda corporate has barred dealers from charging over MSRP.

[@DanQuentinJames]

@@t3h8ar0n For sure, that is the right thing to do.

[@sheldonduffy9442]

I used True Car… put in a zip code where I knew I would contact dealerships who gave good value… bought mine for 1500.00 under MSRP from Vic Bailey Mazda. They don’t do mark ups and they are giving discounts!

[@eamonnmcdermott1939]

Many thanks for this video David, Mazda have really upped their game in the last 10 years, especially to be of a similar standard to a Lexus. I cannot wait to see your future video from Hofu. I absolutely adore Mazda! Thanks so much!

[@adam145]

I remember here in Poland a friend of mine bought a Mazda 626 in the 90s. Everyone was laughing at him for not buying a VW. A few years ago people said that Mazda is going to become a replacement for BMW and now they're going after Lexus. Truly one of the biggest glow-ups in terms of quality from any company ever.

[@jaywho476]

The two tone mazda dashboard is why it looks so expensive. Color really makes a difference.

[@taylorkingrealestate2053]

I have about 5000km on my cx90 now and the fuel efficiency is uncanny. I just did 900km on my last tank without trying. I bet I could get 1000. Mines the turbo signature NOT the PHEV.

[@filmnoirnyc]

CX-90 in a heartbeat... unique and not super expensive.

[@antarcticmonkeys]

Have a soft spot for Mazda. My little Mazda 2 is almost 10 yrs old and has barely cost anything to maintain.

[@ianteh20]

Another good video, so thanks. I was weighing up between a Mazda CX60 and the Lexus RX. I know the comparison should really be with the NX but I was looking at the RX mainly. The CX60 came out on top - it's more fun to drive, and the design is cleaner, easier on the eye and more to my liking. It also saved me quite a bit of $, as well as aligned my ego problem by foregoing brand recognition (brand snobbery?).

[@mikescool]

We have no idea about the long term mechanical reliability of the cx90. But the GX has been proven to last 500k miles with reasonable maintenance.

[@jaylo9361]

cx90 reliability has to stand the test of time. lexus has to do the same when they started yeah? lexus has a bit of a headstart because it had all the expertise and reliability of toyota :) hoping mazda would not waver and continue to push their demand for excellence!

[@lunamaria1048]

Yes same old reliability talking point. We actually have to buy a drive vehicles to test their reliability.

[@lunamaria1048]

@limelife7457 All next gen Toyotas will be exactly the same

[@tigerrx7]

@@jaylo9361exactly the point of the comment. You agreed. Lexus reliability is proven, so that’s a key factor in the decision making process

[@lunamaria1048]

@limelife7457 I mentioned next gen lol Toyota has recently released newer current gen vehicles with smaller turbocharged engines that have to work harder. Toyota is currently changing everything to smaller turbocharged engines, as we speak. Your criticism seems like a double standard lol

[@nguyenngoclinh524]

Hello David, I am totally100% agree with you. I really like Lexus brand, but that cd-90 does have an eadge over the gx, however one area that I think every consumers a little concern is Mazda reliability even though they have improve a lot over a decade ago. What’s your thoughts on it?

[@levarenewagemusic]

JD Power and CR puts Mazda above or even with Toyota. Do research!

[@paulbugoni2846]

Mazda is good but this new 6 cyl turbo drivetrain remains unproven. We shall see. I can see myself with a 2 row one down the road.

[@randy74989]

@@paulbugoni2846 No turbos, since a naturally aspirated engine from Toyota/Lexus is the gold standard for engines, period.

[@leeraymer166]

@@randy74989All future Toyota/Lexus power trains are going to be Turbo 6’s and 4’s going forward.

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

@@leeraymer166Toyota 4 turbo engine have being use for almost 10 years proven power train along with their 8 speed nd 10 goes back to Lexus cars early 2010s a lot of their tech is proven for over a decade not like other brands make new things throw it away never improve

[@cooldadyo]

I love my CX-90 PHEV in sports mode it’s very fast! I beat a CX-90 V6 In-line turbo model on a 0-60 run twice by about 25 feet 😅 with the EV rebate the lease was amazing!!!

[@Magzhanel]

Finally got my gx 460. Hell yeah.

[@hutchfromba]

I am very interested in the new 5 passenger AWD CX-70. Do yo have any plans on reviewing it ? Thank you for all your reviews ! 😊

[@daviddabo2682]

Comes down to the mechanics where TOYOTA is King! Good job David as usual

[@marshalljames5640]

Consumer Reports says Mazda takes the top spot now and Toyota is second in terms of reliability.

[@daviddabo2682]

@@marshalljames5640 I’m not a fan of laurels gained from magazines after wine parties, mechanics, owners, history speak volume!

[@philhenderson3516]

Oh Please! Have you looked at all of the issues with the Toyota Tundra and the Lexus LS? Toyota's 3.4L Twin-Turbo is one of the worst modern engines ever made! Don't believe me, look up all of the issues on the forums. It's unfathomable. Failures at 20,000 miles on any engine is ridiculous!!

[@MasterResolve]

@@daviddabo2682 Mazda doesn't have the kind of money to woo journalists, that's what makes this even more impressive.

[@francisgallozzi2595]

100K subscribers...流石ですね。おめでとうございます。

[@bonjournaste]

David, what are your thoughts on how Mazda lines up the front fenders to the A-Pillar? Floating gap design vs a tight, butted-up joint. It's obvious that the Mazdas are all built very consistently, all the gaps seem so perfect, but I always felt like where the fender meets the a-pillar is a bit awkward, as if this is the place where they've allowed for some tolerance in order to make everything else line up. Or perhaps just designed that way for ease of assembly.. Would be interested to compare different design thoughts/strategies from a design/manufacturing POV.

[@marshalljames5640]

I actually think it’s a design feature and very Intentional to keep the line horizontal instead of introducing another direction (like most fender-A pillars) in a spot where a lot of visual direction happening.

[@marshalljames5640]

If I pause it at 6:03 and compare them, I prefer the more taut and sharp look of the Mazda. Looks more premium.

[@bonjournaste]

@@marshalljames5640 I def agree it looks better from front/side view. What you see when you get into the vehicle though is a 1/2"-5/8" gap between the A pillar and the fender. It doesn't really bother me, as it seems very much an intentional decision. I was wondering if this gap somehow allows them to made the hood and front door gaps perfect (which I think are much more important to get right).

[@RP-vr8pi]

Just bought cx90 over the weekend. Traded bmw m340i inline 6 for another inline 6. Just love it. Feels better then bmw but less power

[@mquiobeable]

Suv feels better than a BMW sports sedan? 😂

[@RP-vr8pi]

@@mquiobeable go and drive one

[@chuckkerber4735]

We have long-term data on the Lexus; it's a proven work horse, and unparalleled in reliability and longevity. Not sure you can really do the comparison, as we don't have similar data on the Mazda...

[@faheemabbas3965]

Mazda works with Toyota, shares a factory with them to make the CX-50 (I think alongside the RAV4) and I think they’re even using their hybrid system. I could be wrong though. But if true, for Mazda it’s a good start.

[@lesliejackson5225]

​@@faheemabbas3965 There is definitely a link up between Toyota and Mazda. In fact the present or previous generation Yaris is practically a Mazda 2.

[@chuckkerber4735]

@@faheemabbas3965 Great info- I wasn't aware. Thanks!

[@jdm1039]

chuckkerber4735 - The Lexus costs $25k more than the Mazda. Mazda is very reliable in its own right. Do you rationally expect $25k in repair bills on the Mazda? I doubt you would have to repair anything due to reliability issues.

[@XX-166]

Show us your Lexus data.

[@Capomazda]

Great post Dave, thank you for making the distinctions between both vehicles. I very much agree with you call

[@cuttingedgecool7235]

Surprising that the new CX-90 is a good as you say it is, can't wait to see one for myself!

[@KidFragrance]

I bought the PHEV based on your recommendation. I did not like that Toyota did not have a 8 speed on the Grand Highlander hybrid max platinum. I know fully well they will add this to the 2025 GH later on. But I also made this decision on the fit and finish and off the price point of Mazda versus Toyota this time around.

[@michaeljenks6259]

I'm becoming impressed with Mazda. However, I wouldn't ever buy one until it can match the 4WD performance of the GX or even 4Runner. I'm an old curmudgeon and prefer a body on frame. I'm not overly picky on driving "engagement".

[@mojorisin7371]

As long as the Mazda consistently builds vehicles with exceptional quality like Lexus does then Mazda's reputation and popularity will grow substantially. These vehicles are exactly what Americans crave, a sexy looking vehicle that is powerful, handles well and is reliable. The Mazda Cx-90 is a great example and start. I'm eager to see how Mazda is doing in 10 years.

[@amimartian]

Wow, a solid press-car. What a surprise!

[@mbenton6]

I'm a mazda fan but I gave bought this exact car and it's amazing

[@martyi398]

This a win for Toyota either way they have a large share $$$ invested in Mazda, both very high quality vehicles thanks for the expert Analysis!

[@AshGrantASH8]

Its 5% and Mazda has a 5% stake in Toyota too.

[@mrsargemeister]

While panel fit and finish may be equal or better then the lexus i would not go so far to extrapolate and say that this extends to every other aspect of the vehicle. Beauty as they say is only skin deep. Quality and durablity of toyota/lexus components and parts its unmatched by anyone else. No other brand is designed to last 30 years 300,000+ miles with regular maintenance.

[@ed52369]

Looking at a 2023 GX and will look at CX 90. Drove the GX- stunning. The V8 is a masterpiece. So well built. The horrible gas mileage in the GX is making me look around.

[@pc4i]

Things I wish my GX460 had that it doesn't: -Roll down rear window. The final version of the 460 has the wiper off the glass entirely and there is no spare on the back so a roll down window would have been a nice touch. -Auto lights when wipers turn on. This really bugs me, I know I have day time lights all the time, but the rear lights are not part of the daytime lights, and often in rain, the auto lights do not turn on. This is a no-brainer feature that should have been added a long time ago. - A better backup camera! Honestly, I feel like I'm watching a 240p video on youtube in 2006 when I look at the backup camera. Should have been HD full screen. -Note about wired car play. I have had wireless car play before and for cars that are shared by multiple people, wireless car play is annoying because the car doesn't know who is driving or who's phone to connect to. For this wired makes perfect sense, and I am happy with the solution. I did add a magnetic phone mount in the useless CD slot. -The radio is pointless, they should have just removed this and made the screen bigger. -Note about interior. Not a huge fan of the suede that popular now in a lot of cars. Cleaning is hard, and the finish can become very ugly fast. Especially with kids, the finish in the GX is really going to last much longer than the "newer" more expensive looking suede finish.

[@fungidr3520]

How do u clean the dash? I would imagine it would be susceptible to stains et al

[@robertwilliam9558]

David, have you experienced any issues with the Mazda CX-90 transmission being jerky or shifting weird? Other KZbinrs have mentioned this.

[@cooldadyo]

I did and had a software update and now it’s smooth as butter 😊 Talk to the dealership

[@robertwilliam9558]

@@cooldadyo Thanks for the update

[@MVRWC]

I would have loved to hear an interior size comparison.

[@tntmyth]

The Mazda CX-90 looks great. I would still want to wait a few years for their engineers to work out any bugs and refine the drive train and suspension before buying a CX-90 or CX-70. That in-line 6 and the transmission are new for Mazda. Give the car a few years for them to perfect it. I have a 2024 CX-5 and they have really dialed it in. Made in Japan. Almost perfect fit and finish. No rattles. Mazda has had several years to refine it.

[@kappatalism4760]

As a owner the most recent mazda 3, are the grab handles on the CX-90 to close the door built much better? That's one of my biggest gripes, with the mazda 3 they're made completely out of plastic and therefore aren't as stiff as I would like.

[@CP-db4rm]

It's great that we see the comparison between cars of the exterior and interior, but how about the mechanical parts and chassis? Would like to see the mechanical differences.

[@dtna]

I am sure glad that Mazda and FoMoCo parted ways in 2008.

[@CP-db4rm]

@@dtna That is for sure! I'm glad as well.

[@t3h8ar0n]

@@CalvinHikes I mean, if I recall his specialty was designing the manufacturing systems and workflows to make the vehicles... so ya, of course, he is going to be concerned with panel gaps and paint because that is a pretty obvious reflection of the success/failure of the manufacturing systems and workflows that have been implemented...

[@dtna]

The design is one thing, but you can't beat the fit and finish at the Tahara plant.

[@michaela1655]

Would be interesting to see you compare the new Honda Pilot to your Lexus GX

[@k-man-dude]

You all are forgetting that Lexus is a premium brand that is providing superior warranty and not just the regular 3 yr/36 k mi. Internet went nuts over this new Mazda because there are no 3 row phevs on the market. Wait until Lexus TX PHeV

[@jamespha9896]

thank knowledge is power 💡💡💡💡😎😎

[@vin2689ny]

Try pushing on the part where the sunroof control is… is it supposed to be so “loose” and “bouncy?” I have a cx90 as a loaner and I was just opening and closing the sunglass holder and was shocked how bouncy the whole panel was…

[@djdimsum852]

I wonder how the CX90 will do vs Toyota GH when it comes to engine reliability. Thoughts?

[@cgnefarious5785]

Honestly they're both probably excellent. But with all new platforms, we'll have to see how the CX-90's new engine holds up. Going off the more recent Mazda engines, it should be on par or potentially even above Toyota's reliability.

[@victoranumba4579]

I am buying a Mazda CX 90 soon.

[@alphabeta8403]

Now let’s compare this CX90 with the similarly priced MDX and mid-level next gen GX.

[@vincentpoole7588]

A/P. One must understand that the old Toyota Prado/Lexus GX is based on a 30 year old chassis architecture and tooling is now over 20 years old mista ! Which one would you take off-highway Downunder, as the Matsuda is always viewed here as a Japanese Ford sir ? V.

[@paulsoti5388]

Hello Mr. David, I just purchased a 2023 GX 460 about a week ago. I'm very disappointed with the operation of the ventilated seats, it's barely detectable even at the highest setting, it's basically useless. I would like your thoughts on this, and does your GX have the same issue? I've seen on some GX forums that some owners are having the the issue. Thank you and keep up the great work. Paul

[@Mikezagato15]

Do a door shutting sound/test comp.

[@MrTimothypalumbo]

Love my Cx-90 phev

[@EejuVava]

I wonder what the interior noise levels are between the two at say 60 mph.

[@MrAngelzer0]

I’m always amazed how a small auto manufacturer like Mazda is able to churn out some high quality and thoughtful products. I also like that they don’t deviate from their driving philosophy just to pander to the masses. This one’s on my top 5. Reliability will be the only question, so time will tell.

[@HiPlains1]

One reason is they are all made in Japan.

[@Redhawk24]

David, practice your parking. Just kidding. Love your videos keep up the good work.

[@fezario]

I will be changing my CX9 in a few years. The question now is: Do I buy a CX90 or the new Lexus TX?

[@sestin535]

I have the same exact question!

[@fezario]

@@sestin535 You have a CX9 at the moment? I love it, except I wish it had bigger seats up front. I always wanted a Lexus because of the refinement and build quality, I am wondering how the CX90 and the TX will compare

[@skiph3]

You convinced me to buy an HPEV.

[@ericb.4358]

LOVE my upscale 2019 MAZDA X-5 Grand Touring Reserve (2.5 L. T, AWD) Lots of upscale features including turning low beam headlights! At the time Acura and Audi could not compete with features even for $3,800. more.

[@pc4i]

If only panel gaps and orange peel were the only things that mattered…

[@pedrofernandez8729]

So do you have any inside info on whether Mazda is working on a sedan version or the CX90?

[@matthewong2999]

hello I would like to ask if you can compare it to the Toyota land cruiser prado because it is more similar in terms of price thank you

[@rightlanehog3151]

David, On the surface the Mazda has high quality and high style. Let's see how the Mazda's SUBSTANCE holds up over the typical 20 year lifespan of a GX. 😁

[@sofarsogood3969]

What about previous generation CX90?

[@alanwolfe2125]

Will this new CX-90 V6 turbo engine be as reliable or last as long as the Toyota V6/V8 engines?

[@theexpert1825]

Mazda is amazing. They made a good car. The seats i found are little harder. To sit in.

[@anthonyiannozzi6777]

How is the 3rd row space of Mazda CX-90 versus Lexus GX? Bigger?

[@DV8shredder]

Just bought a GX in May and actually considering trading for a cx90

[@namelast9340]

There's no sense fro doing that. Lexus is still Lexus. More difficult to obltain

[@haldriver1378]

Or you could drive the GX for 20 years - at which time it would still be rock solid and purring like a kitten.

[@twobeagles1365]

If you want Style Mazda is the one, If you want Ugly Lexus GX is the one, Except the 2024 GX, New innovation changes the game !

[@JonathanRegenNJ]

The Mazda dealer sales and service experience can't hold a candle to Lexus. I've owned 5 different Mazdas in the last 15 years and have dealt with 4 different horrible NJ dealers so I speak from experience.

[@faheemabbas3965]

I’m guessing you’ll never buy another after all that… Mazda’s going out of business soon!

[@vwar7961]

Could you please do a review of the 2023 Nissan pathfinder

[@mycoyz8416]

i'm more interested to learn if the mechanics of the mazda is more reliable than the lexus

[@chawenhalo0089]

RX would have been a fairer comparison. GS is a good mud plugger prado platform is it not?

[@LJL-lm2op]

Panel gaps and orange peel. I’m definitely buying the Mazda 😂

[@ronpower7790]

I only experienced the CX60, which should be similar to CX90 without the longer wheelbase...the quality feel starts to crumble on the feel of the doors, which feel hollow when closing, the suspension isn't as plush as expected and sound insulation isn't the best neither.

[@MegaAlex010101]

Do you know if Mazda will have a bigger SUV to compete in terms of size and price of the Toyota Grandhighlander and the new Honda Pilot?

[@cgnefarious5785]

Currently the CX-90 is the largest vehicle they've announced. The new CX-70 will likely be a smaller version of the CX-90, and the vision is a sports car. They may have something else in the works, but if so they're keeping it under wraps.

[@Bleachdemon88]

Idk I took great care of my Lexus RX 350 and it died at 230,000 miles. Certainly good but it’s not 300,000+ like so many people say (maybe I just got unlucky) so I don’t think I’ll ever get another. Not because I am disappointed in the quality, the car was really good but the upcharge for its “luxury” status simply wasn’t worth it to me.

[@philhenderson3516]

Mazda and Genesis are teaching Lexus how it's done! Toyota resting on its laurels and playing the greedy game. Competition is overtaking them and I'm all for it!!

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

We all knew your conclusion before we hit play but where they may make up the difference on price is true cost of ownership. Does the Mazda have the same sort of resale value than the Lexus. Sure, you're just buying the brand and maybe some extra service at the dealership. But when you go to sell or trade, which one is going to leave you with more money in your pocket? I don't have the answer.

[@tommy13965]

Well you save 20k to begin with he stated in the video 🤷‍♂️

[@t3h8ar0n]

I don't buy vehicles for their resale or trade-in value.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

@@tommy13965 right and when you go to sell if the amount of equity you have is higher in the Lexus when you go to sell or trade you may come out ahead.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

@@t3h8ar0n most people don't think about that so you're not alone.

[@masejames4906]

Let’s hear about the quality differences in the mechanics & driving capabilities

[@28naveenator27van]

follow car care nut for mechanical reviews of toyotas or other card too.

[@andyburnett8012]

From perspective of a UK driver, I have to disagree. I own a 2018 rx450h with 67000 miles. I test drove a Mazda C X 60 last weekend and it was nowhere near the quality of the rx. The doors were tinny, seats uncomfortable, fit and finish not as good, electric windows noisy and clunked when reaching fully open or closed, car was jittery on the road and underpowered (Mazda diesel version 254 bhp), not as quick or refined as my rx, which is now 5 years old. I wouldn't swap that brand new Mazda for my 5 year old Lexus.

[@DM72513]

I know it's a press vehicle but sadly you can see the paint chips on the CX-90. Our Soul Red CX-5 paint chipped as well. Mazda has beautiful paint but somehow it chips way easier than every other car I've owned.

[@timw2083]

If the CX90 has any mechanical issues they will start to appear within the first year of ownership. I'm interested in the CX70 and hoping its smaller than the CX90

[@stevelamhang9547]

I've read somewhere that cx70 will be same size as cx-90 but 5 seater

[@timw2083]

@@stevelamhang9547 I've heard the same thing from a Johnathon Sewall and the Mazda dealership near me. I really hope Mazda doesn't have two vehicles the same size. That makes no sense. They could have made the 3rd row an option

[@phivoong3255]

You are right Mazda is looking better

[@jpdoc5722]

2016-technology GX is tops 👍 non-complicated.., like an old school tank

[@ruggedland]

It’s not just about panel, paint and interior materials, but the drive train and its longevity. The Mazda may be an adequate mall crawler family type vehicle, but if one is talking about any type of off roading there is no comparison. I just took my new GX to the high mountain passes in the San Juan Mountains in Colorado and it performed brilliantly on the rough 4x4 roads (only other vehicle I saw were Jeep Rubi and lifted Tacos). This level of trust is not easily earned without years of track record and engineering masterpiece like KDSS

[@levarenewagemusic]

You are saying that the Mazda AWD is lacking? You need to do some research before your bias is exposed. It does fine off road as does the Lexus.

[@ruggedland]

Didn’t see a single AWD crossover in the 2 days I was there. AWD crossover are not for any serious off-roading, and the roads requires 4WD with 4L and locking diff, etc

[@jdm1039]

​@@ruggedland99% of buyers for either vehicle here, or any SUV for that matter, are not off roading them. They will spend nearly 100% of their life in the mall parking lot. Off roading customers are a tiny percentage of overall buyers. Don't confuse your personal choices or preferences with those of the majority. I wouldn't dream of off roading either of them.

[@stevelamhang9547]

Thr panel above your head in the drivers seat is flimsy and cheap if you didnt notice. The whole thing moves when you push up on it. I wasnt impressed with that part. You gotta point out the flaws too

[@seikocitizenwatches]

Mazda CX90 never can exceed Lexus but Mazda offers exceptional good value for your money.

[@AshGrantASH8]

Mazda just did...

[@asianskywalker]

Can you compare these brands to the german manufacturers please.

[@brentwoods4802]

I own a 2016 Highlander Limited … it’s been a very good, if a bit boring, vehicle. Just test drove a 50K Grand Highlander with several thousand dollar “market adjustment.” It couldn’t be more devoid of character … it is the definition of an appliance. The cabin materials are cheap, buttons and switches feel janky. It’s pokey and uninspiring in every way. The new GH feels like a step backward in fit, finish and quality compared to my 8 year old car. So Toyota dealers are brazenly ripping people off, especially on the hybrids, and for the money their cars are fair to middling at best. Will they run a long time? Probably. Will you want to drive it a long time? Doubtful. I’m absolutely going to give the CX 90 a test and see what it’s all about. I’ve had a very positive experience with my 2016 Highlander but between the dealers and the new products I can’t even get interested.

[@tomreilly9295]

I think the power train in the Lexus is better than the Mazda. Prefer the V8!

[@victoranumba4579]

Kudos to Mazda for thr upgrade

[@spdlmt307]

Wished they made the screen on the MAZDA taller instead of longer.

[@morganjstanton]

I’d love to see this same video after each vehicle has 300k miles on them

[@adrianw3985]

Seems like a strange comparison. Like a truck vs a minivan.

[@MsFatpigs]

Ive heard some concerns from mechanics and other engineers of future maintenance. Sounds like the motor has to nearly be removed for many fixes. Might be a non-issue, but only time will tell.

[@jamesm5192]

We aren't quantitative beings... The point of this is qualitative. How loud are they inside?

[@homie9989]

Can you also the the reliability on the Mazda vs GX 460 pls? Thank you, Ivenn

[@rjhein]

But what will it be worth in 5 years?

[@steepenwolf82]

At $50k+ I will prefer to put 10k additional and get the Lexus, or get a certified preowned for the same price.... also the sheet metal in mazda is so thin that gets dinged easily, ot the case with the Lexus or Toyota

[@t3h8ar0n]

Ok - what exactly is the thickness of the sheet metal on the Mazda CX90 panels? What is the thickness of the sheet metal on the GX460 panels?

[@Retired1-b4v]

I'll keep my 2023 GX

[@kerplunk38880]

I used to love my older GX460. Since Lexus jumped the shark and decided to force the 3rd row option I ended up buying a 4Runner. The 3rd row option takes up too much vertical space in the cargo area. Dumbest thing I've ever seen. Unnecessary and unusable 3rd row in a small SUV.

[@pc4i]

Mazda is probably the best you can get for city driving, this is clear enough. The GX460 is on a whole different level. This is comparing consumer grade to commercial grade. The GX460 used in a city driving environment will last forever!! The CX-90 used off-road will fall apart in a week! Both are good for what they have been designed, but the GX460 has the advantage because it will outperform in a less demanding environment since it was designed for harder use. This is why off-road trucks have a high value.