MCDM Plays Dune - Round 2

[@sapien82]

I like how you are all playing dune and O'D as the Fremen is casually drinking water hahah , the luxurious bounty of terra firma

[@robertdoody4003]

Did You know that the Harkonnen excel at treachery

[@codypistole2619]

Did you know that the Bene gesserit are hard to win with?

[@edwardlane1255]

Matt doesn't seem to use the single troop vs big stack battle - you will dial a 1 and thus it just comes comes down to the leaders (or a sacrificial you will dial a 24 - to burn their troops) approach

[@Dometooplz]

@@edwardlane1255 what do you mean? if you dial 1 it doesn't mean the other side dials 1 as well...

[@edwardlane1255]

@@Dometooplz I think I may have been playing it wrong in that past, I thought the bene gessert could instruct the opponent to dial high/low on their combat wheel - thanks I've not played for ages, but checking the rules it looks like it's only cards not the number dialled

[@JohnGottschalk]

It was never explicitly mentioned, but did you?

[@cosmoreverb3977]

For those already familiar with the rules of Dune, the game starts at 14:07.

[@seanvalentinus]

For those who are not familiar with the rules of Dune, the video starts at 00:00 .

[@Csetnikke]

For those who want to skip, the video ends at 3:06:33

[@dwightfitch3120]

@@CsetnikkeWhy would you even post this? If you don’t like what they’re doing, why even engage?

[@ScabiousGarde]

​@@dwightfitch3120they're trying to be funny with unnecessary information

[@mstone1567]

I will watch as many of these as your willing to do . . . just saying.

[@PinkyJustice]

I'll second this... I've watched the first couple a few times already. Is hard to get full groups to play in person, so I'll live vicariously as often as possible.

[@poilboiler]

I'd love to watch more of these as well. They're so much fun.

[@eshvartz]

Honestly, this could be my Monday nights, just watching the lovely Anna smurfin' the lot of you :)

[@sapien82]

Agreed, the spice must flow!

[@EmethMatthew]

Yes, absolutely

[@timroot-shoshin4287]

It would be interesting to have Matt be a commentator on a game of Dune where he is not playing, and he can make some comments without the players hearing him. No danger of spoiling players plans then.

[@Taeufler]

yeah like what cards they are bidding on.... I know it´s important that the other players don´t know it but i´m very currious^^

[@MatheusVenti]

Yeah, the players and viewers only know what they doing because he is commenting about. This game is crazy if you don't dominate the rules and strategies.

[@MarkusUz]

This would be interesting. I would also like to see the game from at least one player's perspective. To see what cards, reserve, money he/she has.

[@tiemoes]

i would love to see this! or a way to see a bit more like the secrets that are shared between players and the guess/predictions of the Bene Gesserit

[@Alefiend]

Harsh language is a perfectly valid Bene Gesserit weapon.

[@TheAlwaysPrepared]

"What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language?" -Aliens

[@glarynth]

BREAK!

[@TheAlwaysPrepared]

@Cole The moldier Alright sweathearts. What are you wating for? Breakfast in bed?

[@TheAlwaysPrepared]

Game over man! Game over! :D

[@TheAlwaysPrepared]

@Cole The moldier Would you sir? I`d like that.

[@JohnGottschalk]

Matt: I need someone to bankroll me. Also Matt: No I don't want to ally with the Guild.

[@MrJibbajabbawocky]

I was going to bring up the same thing.

[@peterstedman6140]

Yeah I think he goes too easy on people. Not only could the guild bankroll him, but they also save him money each shipment of troops.

[@vincenturquhart1370]

@@peterstedman6140 they can give him free shipment

[@geofreycrow9663]

Would love to see Matt play on his full Dune power level

[@therollingbones4080]

Bless the Maker and his water. Bless the coming and going of him. May his passage cleanse the world. May he keep the world for his people.

[@TYTfan]

Spoilers..... Team Anna! It is easy to see why she was ganged up on last time, what a power house. The weather control and shield wall combo was good enough that she was already the spiritual winner of the game, but then she took it all the way to the finish line. In the end she had a better sense of the the weather than the Fremen, better prescience than the Atreides, more ruthless than the Harkonnen, landed shock troops that were more effective than the Emperor and maneuvered in the background with more subtlety than the Bene Gesserit. Most importantly remember she only needed to maintain the status quo to win... But she went for total dominance. Looks like the guild was playing with Norma Cenva leading them in this game.

[@poilboiler]

Spoilers.... Yeah she really deserved that win. Especially satisfying to see how OD screwed up and helped her win considering he got talked into his super dumb betrayal in the last game.

[@Thurthof5]

Tom Atreides also stays very much on top of the game (but he has prescience). But as Atreides he is always in the crosshairs and has to play more on the table (because without his stronghold he lacks mobility and income).

[@clovermite]

Matt, I feel like you are vastly underselling the benefit of an alliance with the Bene Gesserit. It seems like the biggest weakness is the lack of money, but once you get that money they can be devastating...especially if Kharama cards give you the ability to steal Treachery from other players. All you need to do is ally with the emperor to take monopoly on the treachery. Then get another loan from the emperor to drop troops and then dominate. Even if you don't get any weapons yourself, the ability to force others to leave themselves defenseless against your ally's weapons is worth the alliance for them in and of itself. You don't need to have any board presence or currently possess any good treachery cards for this to become extremely effective. I think, by themselves, the Bene Gesserit are the worst faction...but as allies they are incredibly powerful.

[@peterstedman6140]

I agree. It's odd, Matt must be going easy on the newbies, otherwise I don't understand his plays

[@felixhaggblom7562]

"I think, by themselves, the Bene Gesserit are the worst faction...but as allies they are incredibly powerful." Sounds like the designers had a very good understanding on the setting then.

[@Flashback2020]

This may get mentioned later, but I'm pretty sure the worm can not go travel to the polar sink under any circumstances. Also, no battles can be fought there either. Reference timestamp 1:57:27

[@InvictaHistory]

I LOVE THIS CONTENT SOOOO MUCH! Literally fist pumped when I saw this was released. Great work again to everyone and also best of luck on the kickstarter!

[@king124kine]

You have a group to play?

[@WigglesPK]

@@king124kine i wish

[@keithm8027]

I've watched the Dune playthroughs twice now. 20+ hours of watching people play a board game. Best content ever.

[@UnusVita]

Watching Matt geek out over Dune lore, it's like a kid in a candy store, such a delight to see

[@stevenklinden]

I like how Matt just has to either do that hand gesture or make the chopper sound every time he refers to movement by ornithopter.

[@nikolagrubor8515]

I really appreciate Matt going over the rules once again in this one, really had a nice spectator (and casting) feel. Helped solidify the Mentat-worthy rules in my mind and definitely decide to buy the game. Matt's enthusiasm is extremely contagious!

[@pat_monette]

Now that I'm actually reading Dune, I can't help but picture the Fremen as all looking like Matt O'Driscoll haha.

[@Notorietypulp]

A friend finally managed to get a group together to play their new gf9 dune, and I'm so grateful for these vods, which despite having a lot of the rules extra to gf9's 'basic' version, really helped me understand and learn the game better than most of the tools out there, including the game manual.

[@jek_si2251]

YES! Dune Round 2 - Electric Boogaloo!

[@Alex-fn2hl]

Biscuit: Middle English: from Old French bescuit, based on Latin bis ‘twice’ + coctus, past participle of coquere ‘to cook’ (so named because originally biscuits were cooked in a twofold process: first baked and then dried out in a slow oven so that they would keep). At least according to google...

[@juholjokkoi5183]

At first I was asking myself why would somebody comment something about biscuits on a video about a Dune themed boardgame but I understood it somewhere around @2:13:00 .

[@andythedestro12]

I love mcdm; you guys have a great dynamic and I like how you guys do more than just DND

[@danielschneider5804]

1.) Gotta buy this game. 2.) The Spice must flow.

[@MrJibbajabbawocky]

Did you end up getting it? What did you think?

[@danielschneider5804]

@@MrJibbajabbawocky I did buy it and it's great. But a few things that I think really need to be considered before buying this: Do I have a boardgame group thats big enough, has enough time and is interested in this sort of game? and Are the players in my group experienced enough (or big enough dune fans to be willing to put in the work :) ) to have fun with this.

[@MrJibbajabbawocky]

@@danielschneider5804 I'd say 4 is a good minimum number of players. There's enough factions that you can rotate them round and have "new" games each time. 6 is the sweet spot. I would recommend making a day of it. have people bring snacks, or potluck. you can get a good two or three 6-person games in in 8 hours. Even better if you get a big group and get two boards going. :) a 12 player game (with the newest expansion coming out)... that could be a party day akin to the super bowl.

[@badonebadone4778]

1:00:35 "when you swing at the guild you cant miss" savage comment

[@jowendyer1702]

24:20 is so tragic - watching a man with ornithopters pay 2 spice per shipment when they're in range of a stronghold... should have shipped to Tuek's Sietch (at 1 spice per shipment) and moved from there out to the spice.

[@thomasprovitt1806]

Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: 'Now, it's complete because it's ended here.'

[@danielkneeshaw6564]

"Can you give me a big one?" "...yes" *Chef kiss* brilliant.

[@TheJPKaram]

I am commenting before watching Just want to say i an super happy to see more dune videos I bought the game because the first video made me think this could be my favorite board game too

[@Kajotex]

"I DIDN'T PLAN TO LOSE THAT ONE!" I love this so much. These videos have actually convinced me to try this game, even though I wrote it off initially becuase it seemed to complicated for it's own good. But if you leave out the advanced combat rules, it seems manageable.

[@tedathalan]

I appreciate how good a job Matt does explaining the rules and exceptions in these videos. I feel like I've got a good grasp of the game's intricacies after watching, and the players are really entertaining too. I am all in favor of more gaming content while we wait for the Chain to resume!

[@aenamabag]

My recommendation to keep the element of surprise for us spectators is to create a set video length of 4 or 5 hours, no matter how long the game is, and just fill the space after the game with whatever, or just blank space. That way when there's a potential win 30 minutes into the game, we don't know the outcome already based on there being several hours of game time left. Just a thought.

[@dallasbhowell8485]

I've played this with to 4, then two days ago I played 6 total. 3 newbies, 3 folx who have played before, and it was EPIC. There was yelling, high giving, backstabbing, and everything in-between! The Fremen even won in round 10 with their special victory condition! It was SO SPECIFIC! 10/10

[@bobloerakker7010]

This game is so interesting, a lot of variables and strategy. I love watching these. Also, great crew.

[@GuillotinedChemistry]

Matt's enthusiasm was the push I needed to pick up a copy of the Dune reprint! MCDM can do it all... Looking forward to the new Kickstarter!

[@4204799]

i like the way the names are set up so it looks like : TOM ATREIDES vs JASON HARKONNEN

[@RyanHDR]

Ground control to EMPEROR TOM Commencing countdown engines on

[@ichifish]

Oh hells ye-ah! I literally went out and bought the game (won't arrive till December : ( ), got the unbelievably well-produced audiobook (haven't read Dune since high school so I figured I better refresh my memory), and started rounding up friends to play after seeing "Round 1." EVERY week would not be too often to see you guys play. Thanks!

[@nobody8612]

Thanks for doing this again guys, seems like a really fun game. That being said I could happily watch you fine folk play anything, always a really great atmosphere.

[@michaelmrozek7206]

The alliances in this game are shockingly cannon

[@SeanFrancis]

Played this game a lot in high school. I appreciate seeing it played again. I think 7 turns is too short to see the consequences of certain game altering actions but the game does drag when everyone is grubbing dead from the tanks.

[@craigbainton4173]

Already watched the Twitch version cause I couldn’t wait but I’ll watch it again because you edited it down for me, thank you Jerry!

[@sindeon]

YAY DUNE ROUND 2 !!!!! Thank you guys for posting this. Loved DUNE and loving getting to see new stories of it.

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

I don't really understand why Matt didn't ally with Anna. Sure, she wasn't quite the Emperor in terms of funding, but she seemed to provide an option that he didn't consider. The ability to warp down troops for free, he asks her for funding, she provides and he immediately passes it back and he is able to leverage his strong leaders with troops. I know he was lacking treachery cards, but I also feel he was trying to aim too hard for the "perfect" combination of a lot of money (e.g. an alliance with the Emperor), rather then the combination he had access to. Maybe I'm missing something about it as I literally have only experienced these podcasts. I found this highly entertaining however, thank you for providing an insight to a game I honestly I never knew existed.

[@capacamaru]

Bidding has a lot to do with Dune, its just abstracted. The bidding is effectively a gamified version of Kanly, War of Assassins and general inter-house espionage and intelligence gathering.

[@Wulfsmasher]

Super happy to see this return! Round 1 not only convinced me to buy the game but also read the books. I've seen the movie like 6 times, once in the cinema too, it's my favorite sci-fi film, and I also love Emperor: Battle for Dune, but never got around to reading the masterpiece that inspired it all.

[@1simo93521]

A large chunk of the book is missing from the film so you should find it Intresting.

[@chazz30000]

I find the lack of dune quotes in this game ... disturbing.

[@domukaz]

Not a single "live long and prosper" like from the traitorous Dr. Spock … smh

[@nomad8473]

Exterminate...

[@WebMonkey741]

Love these! I might recommend adding a display to help with the Traitor card bidding. You could indicate who has a full hand, who is currently bidding, what spice amounts ppl have bid, who doesn't have enough money to continue bidding.

[@kyoyeou5899]

0:20: We are going to play dune tonight, It is my favorite board game 4:41: That's one of the remarkable things about this game and one of the reason I love it

[@YellowGoddess]

Argh not again. I'm having my breakfast at work and watching youtube for the 15 minutes it takes and I see this in my feed. Last game half my workday vanished. Not today ol' friend. I will work today... and treat myself to this awesomness once i'm at home :) I gave in. I'm doing longtime tests today so I'm watching the game at the same time :D

[@chrisbray3084]

The worm movement at 1:10:00 ish I don’t believe was legal. Worms can only travel through sand and the storm was blocking him from moving into arakeen.

[@vleessjuu]

The rules mention no such limitation to worm movement. I can see why you'd thematically want to have a rule like that, but the rules only forbid moving into strongholds already held by 2 players and into storms.

[@chrisbray3084]

vleessjuu I’m not sure if going off the board is ok for worm travel, but the position of the storm would make it impossible to travel to Arakeen because of the rock. I think it was more of a common sense thing since the worms can’t travel through the rock. Like I said though I can’t speak to the fact that maybe the other hemisphere is considered all sand so you can go off the board and reach any location connected to the other hemisphere.

[@vleessjuu]

@@chrisbray3084 Sure, as a common sense rule you could argue something like that, but the rules really do not say that. They flatly state you can move troops to any territory you like, subject only to normal occupancy rules. It mentions no considerations of how to go from A to B, so in a narrow reading of the rules you should just treat this movement as some sort of teleportation. Of course, the rules of Dune have been riddled with these sorts of interpretation issues for decades, so I'd just say: play the game how you like. It's what people have been doing all along. In fact, this video uses advanced rules but no advanced combat (where you have to pay spice to use troops at full strength), even though the GF9 rules are quite clear about stating that advanced rules should incorporate advanced combat. This alone shows how people have been picking and choosing how to apply the rules how they like.

[@CountsDigGraves]

Already seen it on Twitch. Back for the condensed rehash. CHOOB.

[@SubBrief]

Drinking game: Drink +1 every time Matt says '...like in the book'. I made it to minute 30! :-) (love this game)

[@CloneDAnon]

Omg this was so good. Congratz winning by a tie breaker, so clutch and so tight!

[@jenspoder8322]

What a boss way to pull a win! That was awesome.

[@toanethos8804]

More of this please, it's very fun to watch!

[@raifthemad]

As far as I've seen, bunch of what the creators of this game consider projectile weapons, are in fact knives, meant for melee, and according to dune, exactly what you'd want to use against shields. So how in the nine hells does shield protect against them.

[@andyquelch9652]

Thank you Matt for your humour, I chuxkle evertime (2:45ish) "Haha, the age of the bene gesserit begins" I love watching these and hope you plan to play again sometime.

[@PiquantPan]

I'm sure it's been brought up many times, but use of Ornithopters does not require the units to begin in Arrakeen/Carthag -- when the table is advising Jason at around 25:00, he could have beamed down 3 to Tuek's Sietch and then flown all 3 to the spiceblow and saved cash + increased harvesting/combat efficiency.

[@MeanderingMikesManCave]

Loved the Local Hero reference, Matt! One of my all-time favorite movies.

[@Mojooverlord]

At about 28:00 the Bene Gesserit move a force into the Polar Sink. I believe this only applies when there's a shipment from "off-planet" (See Bene Gesserit ability card.) I believe this is an error. Fremen and Spacing guild (when they ship a force already on the board) are "on-planet" shipment.

[@fredericvondenhoff5210]

Amazing game. Talented and very entertaining group playing it! That's great to see you playing guys.

[@Linkeh24]

I'm surprised at how little Matt pushes for alliances as Bene Gesserit. I mean yeah the Bene Gesserit are probably the weakest faction when they're alone, but allied with someone who has cash, they're probably the best faction in the game.

[@marauder2349]

yeah, denying that alliance offer from the Guild when Anna was flush with cash AND had rights to see all the treachery cards the coming round, AND she was in a good position on the board + troops in reserve... that was kind of odd.

[@g3air3]

Played Dune a lot back in the 80's and looking forward to playing again - great group!

[@matthieuverrette6209]

So cool to watch you guys play! Can't wait to introduce my group to it.

[@nyaboron9239]

I dont think OD was allowed to sand worm the polar cap.

[@pringles_mcgee]

okay I can definitely see why people loved watching you guys play this. the very first bidding round was great entertainment hahah. hope you do more!!

[@tywag5609]

Great show. I think a interesting point to make would be the minimum amount of troops needed by the winner in a battler.

[@RyanHDR]

2:39:24 I think I am in love. Anna is a tactical genius. What a play!

[@gregtheoneandonly7384]

I really want more of these

[@Angeal1986]

Thank you for playing Dune. I saw that some people liked it in passing where the players said they loved it out of any other game. So, naturally I was then curious about the the game and how it played. Also a little surprised that a game based off a book, based off a movie, made back in the 70's, became so well liked but not widely known. At least for my generation. Thank you again for playing it and putting it on KZbin. You satisfied that curiosity I had, it was a blessing.

[@TimPortantno]

Definitely time for the annual Dune stream, Gale Force 9 put out some kind of expansion timed with the movie.

[@brandonb1681]

This is when I wish I didn't live in a very rural area. I can't imagine finding 5 other people to play this....anywhere near me. They would have to be flown in. Anyway, this is a blast to watch. I just started reading Dune. I love the idea of a feudal society set in the far future.

[@peterstedman6140]

This is almost literally why I moved out of a rural area, also social dance

[@YoDudeMan15]

Every time O.D. loses a battle, it's by one point or he throws.

[@danandeliseprickett2105]

I love seeing this game played keep it up!

[@csblack72780]

@2:35:35 I'm definitely here because of SD&SU video. I've bought the GF9 version, but haven't played it yet. Game looks awesome!

[@mechanicalturk5202]

Would be neat if the Bene Gesserit could use the voice to influence battles if they're in the same location. Highest bidder gets the use.

[@intrepidrd]

What is happening at 51:12? It looks like Matt is prompting Jason to say something, mouthing the words as Jason says "There's some alliance stuff that can happen in this game."

[@khyron42prime40]

Man. For those of us having a tough time finding people to play this with, this is a great way to get a Dune fix.

[@AnviThirteen]

This is incredibly addicting to watch. I'm definitely getting this game on the new printing.

[@zhivik]

Great game, as much as the first one. I’m looking forward to more, when you feel like it. I understand it may get old at some point, but I get the impression you all are having loads of fun, which shows, so I’d be happy to keep watching :)

[@victorfinberg8722]

This is an epic game. Anna's sitting there, all sweet and innocent; she has 2 cities. Round 6, storm phase. Wait! WHOOM! The shield wall just blew up. WHOOSH! A coriolis storm sweeps halfway around the board. Arrakis and Carthag are simply swept away. When the dust clears, ... Does no one else notice that the Guild still holds 2 cities, with troops in hand and tons of money? Eventually Matt notices. The other players are still trying to recover from the shock of seeing their entire on-board presence vanish. Resistance is feeble. Epic. As for game 1, and the double treachery against the guild, what was the point of that? Sure, Lars, you got 7 spice and a giggle, OD, you got a kick out of stabbing your ally in the back, but your long-term reputation is in tatters. As for the BG, maybe play that faction to win, but rather to play that faction. As for treachery, is House Harkonnen really the worst? What about House Corrino? What happened to Shaddam's father?

[@JohnGottschalk]

Matt: I can't do anything without cards. Also Matt: No I don't want to ally with the Emperor Also Also Matt: How much is Jason bidding on that card?!

[@jhudsu1]

He doesn't want to win, he knows as the guy constantly talking and explaining everything if he wins the game he will look like a douche.

[@matthewnewman3724]

With the games being half the length of time does that nerf the the Bene Gesserit, seams like in a 15 turn game they could accumulate a massive sleeper force in the districts to activate late game. to compensate should 2 go with each beam?

[@Drewbacca7789]

Most games don’t go passed round 6 in my experience. I know in the Gale Force Nine version, the max rounds go down to 10 from 15 so 7 rounds isn’t that bad to call the game.

[@danielmcgillis270]

Just a note for us Americans watching. A "loo" is a way of saying rest room in England (as I recall) thus why it was funny for the Brits.

[@skullsquad900]

Damn that was great, huge change in pace!

[@jamesarmitage2783]

Tom (Atreides) looks enough like the actor who played Paul in the Dune miniseries that I actually did a bit of a double-take.

[@cowsmooloud]

Awesome, again. I knew from turn 3 Anna was in good shape on troops.

[@alrgk709]

Really awesome content guys. I am a huge fan of the book series and of the board game. I also had printed my own copy of the borad game to play it and it is definitely one of my favorites. I also had many rules clarified just watching your videos!

[@jankogo]

Anna with her "When you swing at the Guild you can´t miss." 🤣

[@MeniacalDrWatts]

Very happy to see more Dune

[@D4N13L3151NK]

Besides that I love whatching this... Am I the only one waiting for Jason to say: "Oh, I'm gonna go walking in the moonlight with you," in a menacing tone?

[@dbi6355]

Yes! That combo at the end of Anna's was devastating. Good show!

[@SanjuroSan]

Dune tournaments need to happen with Matt doing commentary.

[@Veto2090]

What a fucking play by Anna popping the shield wall and sending in the storm!

[@nathaniellazo5912]

Dude, just got my copy of Dune after watching this and the other three, along with Shut Up & Sit Down's review of Dune, this game looks super fun, can't wait to play with my friends and family in the next week or two... Hope you guys do another Dune game eventually!

[@trevorfielding7910]

That family atomic and weather control turn was epic

[@lukeh8376]

Hoping that you will do some more Dune games one day! These videos convinced me to buy the game

[@whatisupmyfellowamericans8808]

Am I the only one that thinks that Jason looks like he's about to burst out in tears at any moment? He's just got one of those resting faces.

[@algomaone121]

Anna with the POG when she nuked the shield wall and controlled the storm!

[@SgtReaper1987]

It seems strange to me that Duncan Idaho, the Atredies Swordmaster is only a 2 leader.

[@SinOfAugust]

Anna the MVP! Also, thank you for not laying onto the phone too much.

[@dylvasey]

I don't play boardgames, and I've seen Dune once. But I really enjoyed just watching this! I watched it after watching the entire Dune game before.