Mechagodzilla City: The Perfect Antagonist - Godzilla City On The Edge Of Battle

[@Weaseler0417]

Finally someone doesn't completely hate on mechagodzilla city I love the idea of it and people just forget that the anime is not traditional to the rest so why would it's mechagodzilla

[@coopercobb8867]

Godzilla 11-03-54 non traditional doesn’t make it good, the idea was interesting but the execution was iffy

[@Weaseler0417]

@@coopercobb8867 the execution was pretty good I don't see any other way they could they have done that

[@coopercobb8867]

Godzilla 11-03-54 it wouldve been better portrayed as a “living” organism, the walls shifting and coming alive, attacking Godzilla from all angles, and doing something besides infecting the people and getting blown up

[@Weaseler0417]

@@coopercobb8867 as Dman said in the video Godzilla is shown as the side of life so it wouldn't make sense to have two like that

[@justdontrell_3449]

Tbh i don't even care. Any Godzilla movie? I like it

[@moonblast1647]

I was definitely upset when I heard that Mechagodzilla wasn't fighting Godzilla in the traditional sense at first, but when I watched the movie I actually came to really like this concept. It's not just different to be different, it actually has a reason to be different.

[@GunlessSnake]

Well, each film has revolved around a certain sect of characters and their respective species. The first was very Human-centric, the second was Bilusaludo-centric, and now the third is gonna be Exif-centric. Each one has a major theme attached to them: Humans and nature, Bilusaludo and technology, and Exif and religion. Given how the Exif worship Ghidorah, it could be that the ideological struggle is one of religious importance; the natural order versus a higher order. In essence, it's the strength of nature against the wrath of god, and not all gods are benevolent.

[@mattiaberti9160]

Let's not forget Mothra's egg. I bet she will hatch in the last few scenes. A goddes that will guide the few survivors restoring the planet after Godzilla and Ghidorah are gone.

[@moonblast1647]

Mattia Berti That is if Godzilla does die. Which I hope not actually.

[@mattiaberti9160]

@@moonblast1647 it's one if many possibilities... if it dies it will probably happen due to a kamikaze attack against Ghidorah. Or for some reason it may just leave the planet via that strange looking portal where Ghidorah seems to come from.

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

Interesting observation.

[@janrafhael2885]

​@@mattiaberti9160THEN WHO'S GONNA PROTECT EARTH FROM ASTEROIDS???

[@fossilyboi1056]

How could you say something so controversial yet so brave

[@TheReZisTLust]

Cause the only reason City lost was cause a fucking alien decided to remove its cloak while its sharpening its knife.

[@godzilla154]

This video perfectly explains how MechaGodzilla City is the perfect antagonist! All your points are fantastic. These anime movies are more of ideological struggles than physical struggles and you have to pay attention to see it. So many Godzilla fans just want action, but never a story or a meaning. People just want to see monsters fight but never want to pay attention to anything else. I think that’s why people hate the anime movies and some people hate shin. They don’t want to see people. They just come for the Monsters and that’s it. But that’s not what Godzilla movies are. That’s never what they have been. This is why I love Shin and the anime. They hold true to the originals story telling that’s about the people and how they handle the monsters more so than the monsters themselves. That’s what I feel the American movies so far lack. They lack an ideology or message to carry through the movie. They just go through the paces because Americans can’t hold there attention on something if something visually exciting isn’t happening on screen. But the Japanese audiences can. That’s why I feel a majority of the hate for the anime is exclusively from western fans. I haven’t seen many Japanese hate them if at all. This is a great video DMan keep up the amazing work!

[@destroyerzilla0154]

Agree

[@DMan1954]

I'd make a video on that exact topic (because I've noticed it too) but I fear that too many of my viewers are those people that only care about action and I don't want to piss them all off

[@godzilla154]

D Man1954 that’s probably a safe bet. I know a lot of your fanbase is the kind that only care about the action so it’s probably best not to piss them off. But on the other hand. I feel it needs to be addressed in some way as it’s never gonna be addressed until someone has the will power to do it despite the inevitable fan backlash. I would do it but I’m so small in comparison to the fanbase I won’t be heard.

[@DMan1954]

I'll thinbk about it

[@somerandomguy4542]

Godzilla 154 eh I don’t really agree too much, I would love a godzilla movie were you get to see the struggle the characters go through, and how they react. In fact, I’ve seem tones of great anime and shows that do this RIGHT. But in this anime, I just didn’t see it. didn’t care about haruo, I didn’t care about anyone else! Most movies use all their time to flesh a character out, but they were to busy talking about things that just happened. Edit: and about the point that its about losing your humanity, I really only saw that point come out near the end of the movie. I would have loved if this was the theme of the whole movie! I still do like mechag city And I don’t think its what makes the movie bad, I just don’t like the execution.

[@Wikizilla]

Some people find Mechagodzilla City to be a disappointing adaptation of the character because the City itself has no semblance of a character or personality, or anything to imprint upon - it's a _silent_ bunch of buildings. All the other Mechagodzillas have a personality to them, with perhaps the arguable exception of Super Mechagodzilla (whose movie's theme was that of life vs. artificial life... but even then, the Heisei MG still roared and fought Godzilla head-on). ~Titano

[@kimowashington8956]

Hi Titano

[@DMan1954]

The way I see it, only Kiryu had personality. Mechagodzilla (1974/75) acted under the orders of either the alines or Katsura. He never did anything on his own. He never defied an order. Therefore he had no personality. Super Mechagodzilla has literally no personality because he is man operated like a big gun. Kiryu had a personality and a character arc. So for me, Mechagodzilla City doesn't betray the characterization established before this point. That being said, I totally understand why people hate Mechagodzilla City. I think the decision to make Mechagodzilla into a city is very questionable as the same effect could have been achieved if the nano metal was acting on its own with its own orders from back in the day. Making it Mechagodzilla City feels like a disingenuous attempt to establish a connection between the viewer and the character. At the end of the day, I still like Mechagodzilla City and I really enjoyed City On The Edge Of Battle. I think (if my analysis was correct) this was one of the coolest intelectual Godzilla movies out there.

[@somerandomguy4542]

D Man1954 i think he might be talking about, singularity? With other mechaGs you could count them as singular beings, however you would really consider the city anything like that. I also kinda feel like the jazz in the first mechagodzilla movie seemed to help create a personality.

[@spencermaley4390]

OMG, Wikizilla and DMan talking in the comment section!

[@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer]

Super Mechagodzilla had way more personality than any other Mech in the whole franchise.

[@switchboard1551]

See! I like this! You explain your reasoning rather than just blurting out your opinion to frustrate people. Now I still don’t agree with you that it was fine having MechaGodzilla be a city, but you at least make a valid argument which I respect!

[@VictorIV0310]

The anger and hate against Mechagodzilla is justified in some cases, especially against the what it was advertised. One big criticism is that the city was just a big factory with dinky turrets and a big chasm. Nothing special. The city ITSELF could've been the monster. A giant venus flytrap with arms and teeth bursting out of the buildings and trapping him with nanometal to absorb and torture him. I've seen a ton of really cool ideas like how Mechagodzilla could've had its own character arc and developed a relationship with the human characters instead of mindlessly consuming and following orders. Then again, Godzilla obliterated the facility and only half of the A.I. is still functioning. A neat idea regardless.

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

Funny enough, I was one of those people who thought about giving this Mechagodzilla a character arc and relationship with the humans. Then again, if the movie used my idea, then we wouldn't have had the interesting symbolism D Man brought up.

[@DMan1954]

There is a trade-off. We could have had a more interesting battle which would have made the whole movie more entertaining or we could have the quiet ideological struggle we got. Personally, I would like this movie to be left how it is. The next movie... I want to be crazy (I know it won't be, but still) I want Mechagodzilla to retaliate against Godzilla. I want Mothra hatching and trying to stop Godzilla. I want Ghidorah descending from the void and destroying the planet. I want Godzilla, Mothra, and maybe Mechagodzilla to team up against Ghidorah. In the end only a weakened Mothra survives. I think that would be awesome. But in the end we will get another quiet film with a small battle. It will be a struggle between self identity and religous control. It will be great for analysis but not great for viewing.

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

Quite an interesting tradeoff. I think it would've been cool to give Mechagodzilla a character arc, but that's just me, and we wouldn't have gotten what you mentioned in the video.

[@VictorIV0310]

D Man1954 D Man1954 D Man1954 This anime trilogy has got my brain ABSOLUTELY buzzing with numerous ideas on how to remake this trilogy. I've been thinking ( but not planning on writing lol) on a "Godzilla Anime Trilogy Rewrite" to make the story more entertaining, in my opinion. Let's do the rewrite! Feel free to add your own ideas or correct any mistakes! Changes include : -The first film would be focused on the events of the "Monster Apocalypse" novel with the war against the kaiju (Highlight would especially be Gigan's brawls with Godzilla) and the later half until the end would have the humans arrive on Earth, fend off or escape loads of kaiju and reach Mechagodzilla City. - The second movie would focus a lot more on Mechagodzilla, y'know, treat him like an actual character. I would have him send out drones to analyze and study Godzilla's fighting skills, strategies, strengths and weaknesses. Form an algorithm to create as many counters and contingency plans against Godzilla who's stronger than ever before. We would see the first half of the second film from its POV through the passage of time as it grows, observes Godzilla and the environment around it. While Godzilla severely annihilated its facility, MG would continue to grow into a city but also replicate itself, forming an army/swarm of 50 meter mechagodzillas and a 300 meter mechagodzilla. I imagine that any stray kaiju (not just Servum) that died or wandered too close to the coty would be dragged and absorbed for more nanometal. MH City then discovers a massive underground cavity where it forms a gigantic, Cloverfield Paradox sized Mechagodzilla to face not just Godzilla, but a far larger, looming threat. -Metphies revealing not just Ghidorah, but 3 extraterrestrial gods of destruction. A Triumvirate of gods if you will. Ghidorah is included, but the other two monsters are Bagan and the third being what I would call an "Eldritch, Lovecraftian Godzilla": the monster Metphies was referring with "monsters similar to Godzilla who ravaged other worlds". I would take elements of the third monster from Spacegodzilla, Orga, the Trilopods and Demon Godzilla from Godzilla in Hell. The Bilusaludo would fear him just like the Exif fear Ghidorah. They would base Mechagodzilla's design from this monster. Man, this is my longest comment ever. Call these ideas too pandering or fanservice-y but I have to get these thoughts out of my head!

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

Here are my ideas on how I would rewrite the films: -The first film would be similar to how the actual film is but with a twist: Godzilla has somehow created clones of some of the other monsters that were in this universe while incorporating his own characteristics into them. For instance, a flock of dark blue Rodans with Godzilla dorsal plates, Anguiruses with the club on his tail in the shape of a pine tree, etc. Also, maybe have it seem obvious that Godzilla Filius is following the human characters throughout the movie. -In the second movie, it would be revealed that the reason Mechagodzilla didn't originally activate was because he knew he still wouldn't be able to beat Godzilla in his current state, so he created an entire city with weapons. When the characters get to where the head would be, they see Mechagodzilla, who interacts with them and seems to have a good relationship with them. When they're attacking Godzilla, MechaG grows to 300 meters and fights Godzilla to buy time for the characters. When the Bilusaludo betray them, Mechagodzilla tries to rebel against his creators, only for them to control him, leading him to consume Yuko against his will. When Haruo saves Godzilla, a damaged MechaG breaks free and picks up Haruo and Yuko, and he deposits them where they would be at the end of the film. He then sorrowfully looks at them as he gets destroyed by Scarlet Godzilla Earth. For the third movie, maybe have Ghidorah be aware of Godzilla's existence and create Spacegodzilla to kill Godzilla, only for Godzilla to win. That's when Ghidorah fights Godzilla.

[@godzilla154]

Spider-DMan Spider-DMan. Edit. Oh shoot I made this comment right before you mentioned it lol

[@moonblast1647]

Godzilla 154 I sense a new meme

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

SpiD Man Homecoming.

[@coopercobb8867]

The problem was that Mechagodzilla city wasn’t meant to be an antagonist, the antagonist was meant to be Godzilla. I like the idea and the execution to a limit and would like to see it done again

[@Temnizziv]

Admittedly, you make a valid argument that has made me grown to appreciate MechaGodzilla City as an antagonist, though he is still not my favorite incarnation of MechaGodzilla. That said, I believe Ghidorah will represent an extreme on the very concept of a "god" as another commentator has stated. The very idea that there are forces in our world so powerful, uncontrollable, and otherworldly that we are insignificant before it. Or in essence, Ghidorah will be an extreme of the "Cosmos" and our place within it.

[@destroyerzilla0154]

Such a perfect explainable video about MechaGodzilla City,and it doesn't deserve the hate it gets and the movie too. Great video Dman!

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

Yes it deserves the hate it gets

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

@Em Eye Kay yes it does ever heard of opinions you'll never make us change our mind!

[@mikephelps9238]

@@alexyoutubechannel8175 and you know what opinions are?

[@nicholasstensson9699]

IMO city on the edge of battle has the best climax of any Godzilla film It makes 0 sense to have Mechagodzilla in the film from a narrative perspective. Since Mechagodzilla never activated, there was never any guarantee that he would kill Godzilla. The humans already have a plan that is proven successful. It only makes sense that they would use that plan. (Keep in mind They had no idea Godzilla could convert EM energy into heat). Also if it took 20,000 years to create a city, it would take several days or even weeks or months to create a 300m Mechagodzilla. They didn’t have that much time. That’s why I’m 100% okay with no Mechagodzilla

[@tystick1954]

Lemon Consumption Disorder finally someone who gets why rebuilding Mechagodzilla was not a good idea if they did gas would stop for energy to build mechagodzilla godzilla would found long before he was done

[@nicholasstensson9699]

Tyler Skrove ikr I think city on the edge of battle is way better than Godzilla 2014. It is better with characters, themes, conflicts, story and even Godzilla. In this movie Godzilla displays intelligence and an AWESOME new power. (Not to mention the anime atomic breath is the coolest one BY FAR). I'm much more excited for the planet eater than King of the monsters. I don't understand how people can say 2014 is awesome and then say the anime shits on Godzillas legacy.

[@Tenebrio-Morio]

Also if the film didn't play out the way it did we wouldn't have gotten scarlet godzilla earth.

[@Godzilla-jr5gi]

Niggas

[@KingofTheGojiras]

This makes me rethink everything in godzilla city on the edge of battle.

[@DMan1954]

I'm glad. I really wanted to have that effect on at least a few people.

[@KingofTheGojiras]

This story is so much deeper than a big monster brawl.

[@campbellbryce7569]

Listen baby I know what you think

[@denniskristos3800]

Never really thought that much about City On The Edge Of Battle other than its characters' progressions and the introduction of the Houtua. I took the Mechagodzilla City battle pretty much at its face value... Some real food for thought there with this breakdown of Nature vs Technology symbolism in this episode and Haruo's motivations for his ultimate choice. Brilliant analysis, D Man. Thanks for enriching my understanding of this part. :)

[@DMan1954]

Thank you! I'm glad all my hard work in AP Lang is finally paying off. lol

[@doom7ish]

At least someone enjoys the movie instead of bashing it. I think. But I really enjoy your talk about MechaGodzilla City.

[@michaelcraig9744]

Ugh... you've helped me to appreciate MG City. Well done, sir!

[@TheBlackKS1]

I really hate the city concept of Mechagodzilla, however the idea about it using nanotech was a brilliant missed opportunity to have an amazing battle.

[@SuperGodzilla2]

wow dude... just wow, this vid was awesome. this was truly interesting, i myself had a few problems with this Mecha G, but didnt hate him as much as others, but i have to say this vid really opened my eyes, keep up the great work dude

[@idkjordash]

I feel a giant sentient city is the perfect upgrade for mechagodzilla, I mean the most logical form a computer program designed to take down a giant monster would take is probably be a huge weapons platform which is pretty much what it is

[@Runningtail]

This is a beautiful example of where science fiction meets spirituality

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

To people saying "Godzilla Planet Eater trailer is out" He probably already knows and has probably already seen it. He just needs time to record and edit him talking about it. He just has a life that he needs to focus on.

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

13:32 Unfortunately, that probably will happen knowing how the internet works. This was cool. You brought up some interesting points. Definitely something I should keep in mind, especially for something I thought about working on.

[@DaikaijuSpaceZilla]

I was originally indifferent on the Mechagodzilla City idea, but this video made me appreciate it much more! Great video D Man.

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

This movie still sucks

[@DaikaijuSpaceZilla]

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[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

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[@DaikaijuSpaceZilla]

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[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

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[@poochuno8822]

The only thing I don’t understand about Mecha Godzilla City is that it didn’t rebuild Mecha Godzilla. Or multiple to have a better chance against Godzilla. But your argument makes sense. Great vid!

[@d.c.1706]

Love the explanation, now I like this version of mechgodzilla a little more now because of you👍

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

Mecha g city sucks.

[@MataNui.]

If they never mentioned mechagodzilla before the film released, never showed the design, never implied mechgodzilla was gonna be in the movie there wouldn't be a problem. I mean when you heavily imply you're gonna do a certain character and then don't, people are gonna be mad.

[@DenGuleBalje]

The future humans show many signs that they're supposed to be connected to Mothra somehow. The twins, bug like, one with nature etc. It's kinda amazing.

[@Weaseler0417]

Maybe ghidorah will be a representation of like an extreme religion cuz it seems the exif will worship him

[@rhenvao2844]

I found Mechagodzilla City to be disappointing, but I will admit, you did bring some interesting interpretations to the table. An ideological battle is something that makes you think, and I guess I can appreciate something like that. It does make sense that something like Mechagodzilla, an artificial being, hints to the real problem not lying with the kaiju, but with those who created something like Mechagodzilla City in the first place: us.

[@Assassin199410]

Mechagodzilla as a city is actually really cool. It's a giant mechanical city that's AI controlled. It can become annoying. It's a metropolis designed to kill Godzilla. It's the ultimate weapon. But because people didn't get a traditional Mechagodzilla Fight, they gotta complain and hate. Mechagodzilla DOES fight Godzilla, it's just that he's a city form. People that think that The City "replaced" MG, is totally wrong! The city is just another Form that originated from the Mechagodzilla Head. Without that Head, the city wouldn't be there. And technically, it's the old Mechagodzilla Base that was formed back by the nanometal.

[@meefington]

This new mechagodzilla city is great. People are just mad because it’s something new. At first, I was a little baffled by how a robot Godzilla turned into a city that could do crazy stuff like poke spikes at little birdy godzillas and absorb people into itself. Also, not really a anime watcher myself, so the way everything was is pretty weird for me. But then I liked how we got something completely different then the usual metal Godzilla. It’s just really cool to see a completely different. Not just mechagodzilla, but the movie itself. From what I’ve seen, anime has always done a good job at exaggerating stuff (sorry if that offends anyone). Only in anime would we see a Godzilla who towers over mountains, and a city that has a mind of its own. Pretty cool what this anime has brought to the franchise. Good video by the way.

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

Being different doesn't make things better

[@mikephelps9238]

@@alexyoutubechannel8175 maybe, but at least some fans appreciate it for its take, unlike you.

[@EthanKironus8067]

This is a really well-thought out argument; normally I'm skeptical of these random videos I find, but you do a quality job.

[@DMan1954]

Thank you!

[@dragonslayer3631]

IMO i think mechagodzilla was handled well, i like the idea that instead of just making one unit that will ultimately be destroyed, it built itself up to have the resources to account for every possibility. I see mechagodzilla city as hal 9000 from 2001 a space odyssey, Hal's mission was to complete its task, like MGC's mission was to kill godzilla, both did whatever they could to complete the mission and they both discarded life to get it. MGC is an AI, it's learnt from its previous defeat and it has probably worked out that it will need to get something bigger and better in order to kill godzilla so it started spreading its nano-metal, all that time humans werent on the planet mechagodzilla was there, studying and finding the best way to kill it. Same way as Hal 9000 came to the conclusion that it would need to get rid of the biggest problem to completing the mission, which was life. This is the same as MGC identified the biggest problem to killing godzilla was life because the wildlife around it was essentially godzilla.

[@spencermaley4390]

Can't wait for your review of all 4 Predator movies.

[@lunarcat4278]

From what I understand people don't like Mechagodzilla City because it's Mechagodzilla and not the concept itself. I can kind of understand that point but I'm not sure I agree. On the one hand if it wasn't Mechagodzilla it probably would have completely axed any preconceptions of a fight (even if Toho just said that Kaiju fights weren't the point) on the other hand it would have also axed Mechagodzilla being the greatest anti-Godzilla weapon and probably would have just as easily pissed people off.

[@naterobzilla2907]

Awesome video D Man 1954, you're the best

[@joshmelton863]

That hoodie is dope

[@MadotsukiGaming]

As long as it's Godzilla I'll most likely enjoy it

[@SaurianStudios1207]

What I hate about mechagodzilla city is that it's just a regular city. If it had an AI that's connected to mechagodzilla, which runs the whole city, it would have been a character of it's own. The city could have interacted with the characters and would develop from being an AI that helps mankind to being an enemy by going full blown Hal 9000. Mechagodzilla could have been in the center of all of it, so when the city goes Haywire, mechagodzilla itself goes haywire as well (like obsidian fury). This would have given the movie a chance to dive deep into the complexity and lore behind the city, explore themes of inner struggle, or being in the belly of the beast, adding stakes and a very intense, personal struggle for the humans to maintain it. That I think would have made mechagodzilla city a truly unique concept, but instead it's just a regular city, built on top of mechagodzilla's wreckage, that gets destroyed by Godzilla. So much for mechagodzilla being hyped and advertised and next thing you know, he becomes the least important thing in the movie. Good job toho for luring us in for nothing.

[@mattiaberti9160]

I'm pretty sure that the city has some kind of mind of its own... untill its creators came back and take full controll. Afterall it killed Servum by its own will.

[@godzilla154]

JurassicAvenger/Goji14. T- The City does have AI. I’m assuming you didn’t pay attention. The city was built by MechaGodzillas damaged AI When our group of protagonists found it they reactivated all its AI so it could be more efficient. The city was making the choice to consume with nano metal. It thought it was better for humanity. It clearly protects itself by killing the servum early in the movie. And it was the one who consumed the bilosoludo and they simply just complyed

[@SaurianStudios1207]

@Godzilla 154 yeah but does it ever pose a real threat to humanity? I like I said the AI could have been a character in it's own right in the same vine as HAL 9000, also the bilsaludo are the ones that give mechagodzilla city all of the Intelligence and not the city itself.

[@mattiaberti9160]

@@SaurianStudios1207 Do you consider loosing individuality a menace to humanity? If yes then MechaG City is definetly a menace. Anyway sure the AI could have been its own indipendent character (and probably it is) however part of its head and AI was damaged by Godzilla in the original attack so I guess that even willingly it was just "broken"... an almost equivalent of brain damage to a human. The fact it survived and kept some kind of mind is already a big stretch and miracle.

[@Legna264]

The city's artificial intelligence was pseudo-sentient at the beginning of the film. That is the reason why the city was at 100% not to mention that it lost a lot of its

[@NDKfilms]

Ok i can agree that yes MGC is a great foil in the Godzilla franchise, however he isn't really the "perfect" antagonist. Yes he works as a great foil to Godzilla but he doesn't do much for him to really be an antagonist to Godzilla let alone the perfect one, although, good video dude.

[@camrenkimmerling9406]

I think it’s a creative idea, and poetic that a city would literally fight back against Godzilla, but I think they should have had a fight scene with mecha Godzilla 20k years prior to when the anime takes place where Godzilla wins, and then the destroyed mecha Godzilla AND THEN evolves into the city over the course of 20k years. It was just disappointing how they advertised mecha Godzilla’s return, and then didn’t deliver. Cool concept though

[@mikephelps9238]

Well the directors didn’t say anything about Mechagodzilla In it’s original form would fight Godzilla, the toy line did

[@camrenkimmerling9406]

@@mikephelps9238 yeah still kind of a bummer, but it’s whatever

[@mahlawn2808]

@@camrenkimmerling9406 I remember hearing that they actually planned on having the city reform Mechagodzilla's original body in a last ditch effort, but it got cut.

[@camrenkimmerling9406]

@@mahlawn2808 that would have been sick

[@MK-wu5bs]

Love that sweater. SpiD-man

[@kaijuadvenger]

I saw the movie in the same fashion but you create the image of why Hauro is the key decider of what is harmony on the planet

[@randolphpierce2128]

I think Ghidorah will represent the unknown

[@DMan1954]

I think it will be something religious

[@mwizachihana9551]

Or maybe he will be seen as the "God of Death".

[@wolfgod6443]

Godzilla = Earth or World Tree Mothra = Oracle and benevolence Mechagodzilla = City and technology's power King Gidorah = God All this anime series did was take the concept of monsters and translate their beings into concepts. Godzilla is more of a force of nature than ever, Mechagodzilla is just as powerful in some ways being the exact opposite of science and technology proving its ability to control nature but at the cost of life, and so on. It's a great idea and I think it was handled perfectly. I know a lot of people wanted monster v. monster action, and while understandable, it really wouldn't change much. Mecha G could have fought Godzilla as part of the trap in the city, and (spoilers for part 3 of the anime) maybe Mothra and Gidorah could've fought in Haruo's mind. But those fights would have felt somewhat empty. They would've only existed to have those fights for marketing. But hey, since monster fights are indeed awesome, just watch the new King of the Monsters movie. That's the near opposite of this series. It's not a mindless romp, but it's story is more about getting monsters to fight than what the monsters truly represent on an individual level.

[@switchboard1551]

It’s not so much that I don’t like the city itself. But when they advertise MechaGodzilla and give us a city, then I have a problem with it. I also think they could have gotten the same message across with MechaGodzilla.

[@mattiaberti9160]

Netflix (If I remember correctly) was in charge of marketing. Sure they could have gotten the same message... But could they send it with the same charm? MechaG taking ubiquity in the City form rather than using just an individual body like the Mecha . That is clearly meant to match and highlight the Transhumanism philosophy of its creators.

[@switchboard1551]

Well they done did bad. lol

[@mattiaberti9160]

@@switchboard1551 Tastes. It's understandable that some people may dislike this kind of thing while other like me may find it really nice.

[@switchboard1551]

If you guys like MechaGodzilla city, that's fine. I don't mind if you guys have different opinions. I shouldn't have to care that you guys have a different opinions. What I don't like is when people take their opinions, and shove it down my throat. Look at D Man here! He explains why he likes it, and leaves it at that. End of story. You don't have to say other people are wrong to say what you think. Now I'm not implying that I think you guys were trying to shove anything down my throat, but it is something I believe needed to be said.

[@mattiaberti9160]

@@switchboard1551 Don't worry, like I said is all matter of tastes. There's nothing wrong in disliking/liking that. However is true that there are some haters and fanboys that act like if their opinion is a fact.

[@godzillatheories2706]

I see your point, it does sound like a interesting and amusing plot, but in my opinion I'd rather stick with the older monster fight plots.

[@DMan1954]

Well, that's why Godzilla is great. If you don't like this universe you don't have to get invested it in. There is always some other universe to fill the void.

[@MataNui.]

It's not an antagonist if it just sits there and gets blown up. Mechgodzilla city isn't a character either, it's a location.

[@mikephelps9238]

We it kinda of is a character because the nanometal is alive and consequently the city itself is alive as well

[@MataNui.]

@@mikephelps9238 I just wish MechaGodzilla did more than just be a battle station.

[@samvaldez7199]

Nice video dman i love these anime films aswell

[@mathiasmorqubus]

With Mecha- Godzilla city, I expected Trypticon vs Godzilla and we got that. If you need to look up Typticon.

[@nicholasstensson9699]

mathiasmorqubus yeah when I first saw the movie I pretty much thought Godzilla vs metroplex and since I love transformers (not bayformers) I was fine with it

[@rhenvao2844]

I actually enjoyed what the Godzilla anime brought to the table, warts and all. It has flaws, most definitely. The first film is pretty weak, compared to the later two installments, but I think what it sets out to do is largely successful. But the thing is, to say Haruo saved Yuko is... debatable. She was effectively brain dead at that point, so while she is still technically alive, she may as well be dead, which reinforces the tragedy of the ending of City. Haruo was left in an unenviable position. On one hand, he finally has the chance to kill Godzilla, but that will come at the cost of his life, Yuko's, and Mechagodzilla City spreading to become the new dominant force on Earth, still leaving humanity with no home. On the other hand, he could stop Mechagodzilla City, but in doing so, he will destroy the alliance between humanity and the Bilusaludo, lose what may very well be humanity's best shot at killing Godzilla, and allow his hated enemy to emerge triumphant once again and rule the planet. And the ultimatey tragedy is that it was all Haruo's own fault. His drive, his destructive resolve to kill Godzilla landed him there, faced with those two evils. While he chose the lesser of the two, it still left Godzilla alive and free to rule the planet, meaning all of his efforts were for nothing, and in fact left him with less than he started, costing Yuko, Galu-gu, and the Bilusaludo.

[@DMan1954]

I think there's one important thing to mention here. We now have the power of hindsight. When I made this video, Godzilla The Planet Eater had yet to be released. I had no way of knowing Yuko was going to be brain dead at that time. But I do agree. It is quite tragic what happens to her in the end.

[@rhenvao2844]

@@DMan1954 I admit, I found the anime trilogy mixed at the time, but reflecting and watching it again, I've come to enjoy it for what it was.

[@TheRobbyVerse]

That hoodie is good

[@edwincuevas7392]

The true meaning of the title, Godzilla city on the edge of battle.

[@elmjojokes7782]

Honestly I can't agree with the strawman argument of, "you're just looking for action" because I like to look for deeper meaning in anime and movies but Mechagodzilla city was just boring, if it was a living city with A.I. controlling it then it would be kinda cool and it would be interesting to see that but this, this is not mechagodzilla.

[@Anuppuzero]

Perhaps not everyone but a majority didn't like mechagodzilla because there was no kaiju vs kaiju brawl. They expected these films to be generic action animes and were disappointed that wasn't the case because Urobuchi went for something more cerebral.

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

I agree.

[@Assassin199410]

It technically is a living city and AI does control it

[@elmjojokes7782]

@@Assassin199410 no its the nanometal, it's not sentient it just wants to keep expanding. This may have well been called the nanomonster or something alike, this wasn't mechagodzilla and it doesn't help that they advertised mechagodzilla for the movie

[@Assassin199410]

@@elmjojokes7782 It is Mechagodzilla's and it's AI. They literally say in the film that Mechagodzilla has AI

[@mattiaberti9160]

Great video! I totally agree, as much as I'd love a Mechagodzilla City's mecha version vs Godzilla Earth, I really prefer this version that clearly highlight the Transhumanism idea of its creators.

[@KaijuFanatics]

Kool sweater bro 😁👍

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

I commend you for your efforts good sir! you make a lot of good points with the themes and main ideas these beings represent but the enemies failure to give character to both these beings is rather regrettable. If you pay attention enough you can see what they represent but I'm not going to care so long as it's portrayed in SUCH a tedious and soulless way. You say mechagodzilla is an emotionless being but Godzilla doesn't appear to have many emotions either other than lime anger and irrational if anything, even when his son died it hardly felt like he was getting revenge and more like he randomly woke up! I would get the idea of mechagodzilla being this corrupting murderous force if it acted on its own volition more but the most we saw was it stabbing some servum, rest of the time the humans and aliens were pulling the strings. It only spread enough to adequately prepare itself to fight Godzilla and to defend itself, it only threatening to consume everything when it was ordered to so I don't think it counts. I feel like had given Godzilla a more emotive and expressive design and new roar to portray his emotions it would have helped to get what he's really about. And if they had mechagodzilla city doing the fighting instead of the humans, like the actual buildings becoming animate. Trains and vehicles crashing into Godzilla building collapsing over him, suspension wires wrapping around him while tying to convert him with mechagodzilla heads popping up everywhere. Maybe I'm asking for too much with that sort of fight but As it stands it might as well have been the billsulido being the character foil in fighting a natural disaster with a face on it. Empty puppets manipulated by their themes and not enhanced by them.

[@DMan1954]

An interesting perspective. I can definitely understand the issue with Godzilla. I have the same issue with him. He needs to be more emotional, it fits the context of the movies and having him only dispaly anger once doesn't really give us much. Thank you for not being a mindless commenter who argues without supporting your claims.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

D Man1954 thank you for hearing me out and speaking for the otherside! As long as we can respect eachothers opinions and realize we're Godzilla fans I see no wrong in some friendly debating!

[@zangetsu27]

Wow...i hated this movie as im with the i want the monster fight team. But now i get this explanation..this movie is actly very deep..

[@zeroloid9762]

Absolutely perfect analysis my man!

[@Jeyfeather-iv4ol]

What I really loved about City on the Edge of Battle was the unsettling vibe I got from Mechagodzilla City. Throughout the entire movie, I got this feeling that something was terribly wrong that everyone else was oblivious to. I also figured the main kaiju in these these films represent something important in real life. -*Godzilla Earth* is a representation of the earth itself and nature's wrath towards mankind. -*Mechagodzilla City* is, like you said, technological advancement. But I also figured it could also be deforestation since it would consume the earth as Metphies said. -*Mothra* could be adaptation to one's environment and perhaps the rebirth of something old, just in a different perspective. -*Ghidorah* could be a representation of death and the the cup of God's wrath in Revelation 14:10 since he is referred to as the God of the Void.

[@frankiecocca1060]

Great video I never thought of it this way still disappointed there was classic mechagodzilla action or fight

[@jimmiejackson8489]

Great analysis Dman

[@420Dopeman1]

Love you’re content and your attitude and dedication man, keep it up!!

[@jimmiejackson8489]

The dueling philosophical views had my hype the concept of mechagodzilla city was new and awesome those were the points that I enjoyed alot Especially concept of humans becoming more monster than the monster that created

[@chipsandip]

You made me appreciate that movie

[@ShinGoji1987Official]

Excellent compare and contrast, loved the allegories between heven and hell! I for one would much rather coexist with a super primal atomic mutant dinosaur than a transhumanist unemotional nightmare lol xD

[@TheOrcaBoss]

I guess you can say that Godzilla: City On The Edge Of Battle is the Batman V Superman of the Godzilla Anime Trilogy 😏😂

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

Da fuck are you talking about?

[@adamsmeltzer9959]

Where did you download the individual songs from the soundtrack? I’ve only been able to find them all grouped into one video

[@DenGuleBalje]

I loved both movies. Some of the best Godzilla content ever

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

No one of the worst godzilla content ever!

[@DenGuleBalje]

@@alexyoutubechannel8175 You obviously haven't watched a lot of Godzilla content

[@alexyoutubechannel8175]

@@DenGuleBalje I hate this trilogy and I'am a fan, omni viewer hates these movies also and he's a big Godzilla fan, the people at wikizilla also hate the anime trilogy and they cover a lot of Godzilla content, so watch your stupid ass mouth!

[@DenGuleBalje]

@@alexyoutubechannel8175 "Popular people I know about don't like this thing so it's objectively bad" Dude. Get some opinions that are not copied from other people

[@DougWIngate]

critical reception always seems to depend not on the quality of the product, but on audience expectations

[@mahlawn2808]

I consider the anime trilogy as the metroid other m of godzilla films. It's not really that bad of a movie (I think), just different, and unfortunately, godzilla fans don't want philosophy, they want giant monsters fighting each other.

[@uncleirohfan3930]

Unless it plots come and godzilla earth goes rage mode and use the fucking red spiral beam

[@gokusam4327]

Holy fucking shit I love your sweater

[@alexrees565]

a very interesting video with some good points, it wont change how I view the second movie over all but it will let me appreciate the points of view of those who did enjoy this version of mechagodzilla a bit better. as for Ghidorah I think he's going to be a sort of spiritual extreme given the religious nature of the exif.

[@thehotdogchampion6760]

God dammit your channel is terrific

[@Smiller1689]

There is an 8 second clip that shows a little bit of the fight between Godzilla and Ghidorah in the next movie.

[@moonblast1647]

Stephen Miller Source?

[@gemstonegojira24]

City on the edge of Battle has one of the most emotional and best climaxes of the Godzilla franchise. The bilusaludo the movie's antagonists are categorised as condescending atheist types like the black hole planet three aliens from the Showa Era. Mechagodzilla is given an interesting new spin, yeah it would have been awesome to see him actually fight Godzilla like it was originally planned but IMO it would have made the movie feel hollow. The philosophical arguments the characters had was interesting. Haruo being forced to make a choice bw killing Godzilla and fulfilling his destiny or destroying the nanometal and Saving his girlfriend Yuko and the Last of earth from Mechagodzilla who's the true villain. This also gives a good representation of what each entry in the Trilogy is: Planet of the Monsters: Humanity and Nature City on the Edge of Battle: Bilusaludo and Technology The Planet Eater: Exif and Religion, Houtua and Life

[@DMan1954]

Couldn't agree more. I am very happy with the way they went with this franchise.

[@VictorIV0310]

One issue i saw is that during the climactic battle, Godzilla Earth seems to have shrunken halfway, like he looks way smaller than he looked before.

[@Legna264]

The city is bigger than Godzilla earth

[@robrockstar9648]

Good to see a movie can still do environmental themes well. Take notes Hollywood

[@Saayko]

While you managed to make some points of deeper analysis, and while I don't have a problem with Godzilla being a plant or Mechagodzilla being a city (or even Ghidorah being 3 celestial spirit snakes coming out of black holes) the real problem is within PRESENTATION. Mechagodzillacity can not even be counted as an antagonist or any kind of character because it's not a character, it's just a collection of pillars and domes of metal that kills stuff and has zero character. Same goes with Godzilla himself, biggest incarnation? yes. Ruler of earth? yes. Character? No. It's just a big dumb walking mountain who destroys stuff. I don't think Godzilla cared about fillius or considered him like a son or anything (cause he is shown to have the sympathetic capacity and range of a potato) he was awakened only because of plot convenience. That's the thing with these Anime films. They had some interesting ideas but in the end the final product is uninspired, uninteresting and a pain to watch. And the deconstructed and characterless monsters along with a cast of the most boring human and humanoid characters is not helping it.

[@xii-e-04-chengmichaelgaret72]

Godzilla is love Godzilla is life

[@tullimonstrum52]

You've seen Godzilla attack a city before, but in this movie the city attacks Godzilla!

[@switchboard1551]

I see you are struggling with acne (no offense). I find that the cream called “zapzyt” works best for me. I started of trying all the expensive stuff first. But non of that worked for me. lol

[@DMan1954]

Struggling implies I care about my appearance. lol I'm not too worried about it. It is all stress related. I've had a lot on my plate recently.

[@switchboard1551]

School will do that to you. They don’t help us eas back into it. They dumb as much homework as possible right away!

[@omegatay2513]

13:20 Where do you find this Fan Animation of mechagodzilla vs Godzilla efilius (50m)

[@Boromas_1]

Its godzilla earth because it has a beard but still it dose not make sense because mechagoji is 50 meter BTW here is the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn6bk4NpfJh0jK8

[@elijahblechman8633]

what's up with all the city on the edge of battle videos out lately, second one today, also i need that jacket.

[@DMan1954]

idk. I had some things to say about the movie so I made a video on it

[@Robert-rw5lm]

I thought Mechagodzilla City was pretty cool, after what artificial structure can compare to the living mountain that is Godzilla but a living city?

[@kaijucifer3544]

Agh! The KiryuSaga opening credits theme!

[@cthulhutheone8787]

Hey for all you people who want fighting the mmd exists

[@theperiidot]

I take it back, I've just realised why you're doing it.

[@ET13Productions]

Hey Dman will you do a Godzilla 64th birthday special when it's his birthday in 2 months?

[@DMan1954]

I don't think so. I think I'll just do every 5. So, next year I will. lol

[@SakurakoLover]

Planet Eater trailer is here, Man!

[@Daedheldon]

In response to what would King Ghidorah would be it could be Religion, In watching the movie I noticed each race was like the game civilization end game victory. Cultural, Technology, Domination and Religion. Bilisuldo were domination and technology the Houtua are cultural and it’d only be natural for the Exifs to be religion since that’s what they’ve been preaching the entire series. Maybe it could be some short of message of have faith but not too much.

[@TriassicIceman]

oooo ye me leik that idea

[@epicjonny155]

Hi Triassic ice man

[@diegorivera5165]

Thank you OK.

[@Doomguy0623]

To be honest Mechagodzilla as a city was fine with me. I just wished Godzilla had more exciting screen time.

[@DracoSafarius]

I wouldn't go nearly so far as to say as the Mechagodzilla in this was the perfect antagonist but I really did enjoy it. It was just straight lies and false advertisement to mislead people thinking that it'd be in the movie in full Mechagodzilla form but it worked out either way and I'm happy with how it went.

[@Legna264]

They never explicitly said that mechagodzilla was going to fight, and they never even hinted at it. Where did you get that from?

[@shubhdashukla7692]

I just realized Haruo's name is a reference to Haruo Nakajima

[@ethancumby7525]

Perhaps Ghidorah will be the extremity of faith, considering that the exif race is extremely religious and Ghidorah is their monster to begin with

[@epicjonny155]

Wish it wasn't mechagodzilla but a different mecha

[@Legna264]

For me it is a worthy version of mechagodzilla. Now that I think about it, this version would easily defeat other versions of Godzilla

[@youtubefanatic6597]

13:30 OMFG 😱

[@Boromas_1]

Did you saw the fan animation if you did not then here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn6bk4NpfJh0jK8

[@chungusfan4204]

What’s the song at 2:02 I think it’s Godzilla vs anguirus but I can’t find a version with that intro part

[@DMan1954]

It's the intro to Godzilla Vs Mechagodzilla 1974

[@chungusfan4204]

D Man1954 thanks