Mechanical Controller Buttons are a SCAM!? Razer, GameSir, Flydigi, Thrustmaster, etc.

[@heavy8832]

Mental health moment boys, your worth while, we need you. From one depressed gamer to another.

[@day-trishad3937]

*you’re

[@CordaroBlu]

We're*

[@rl4416]

I love when ppl corrrect someones spelling but cant complete a sentence. I can only imagine how rough life must be for you ,I do however hope it gets better !!!

[@heavy8832]

@@day-trishad3937 I like turtles

[@hackabusi]

@@CordaroBluwe’re need you?

[@warfare3gin]

Who are you and where is the real vCuda?! 😂 Quality content as always kudos my man.

[@warfare3gin]

@vCuda, kidding aside, known your channel for more than 3 years now since your BenQ XL2411P monitor review. Was eyeing T4K for a new controller and saw you channel again. Stay classy man we love you. No homo.

[@Pacify]

The no mustache threw me off so much lol 😂

[@kenzilbaptiste2519]

so long as the controller has mechanical Bumpers and triggers ..bumpers being more important since its one of the 1st things to go bad especially one elites ... triggeres are just for the clicky feel

[@1fareast14]

a lot of nintendo dpads have rubber over metal domes, and I personally like the combination of mush and click

[@mundaJoel]

U shaved 😂. Also, dude, what happened to that video when you blamed yourself for whatever and confessed to your subscribers about why your uploading was not consistent. I was looking for it the other day, I couldn’t find it. I needed it for motivation, but you weren’t there when I needed you the most man. What gives?

[@vCuda]

I took it down because I finally felt okay for the first time in a while. I really needed to just talk to people, and it helped, but the video in my eyes wasn't something I should keep up. However, seeing the support for a video like that has made me want to make more personal content. I'd love to share some thoughts with you guys and hear what you have to say. I feel like I have decent bits of knowledge to give, even if I have a hard time applying it to my own life lol

[@thebatlove2006]

@@vCudaI know this isn't my cov but I would love a more personal video. You make great videos and knowing more about you would be awesome

[@mundaJoel]

Sounds like somebody has the hots for u 😂😂😂

[@Quest4Tube]

Shave looks good my dude

[@ryanjohnson3881]

@@vCuda you got a discord chief? I am sure there are several of us that could shoot the shit and let you vent from time to time.

[@PõePra2]

Great video as usual! I've been using a Vader 3 Pro (which actually made my find your channel back then), and indeed the button feels very good. I've been skeptical about these mechanical buttons with membrane and spring on your breakdowns, never made sense to me, but since the Vader 3 Pro felt good, I never really wondered that much, as it seemed to work fine.

[@ljessecusterl]

I made my decision on a PC controller a long time ago thanks to you. I watch every video that releases because you're like JayzTwoCents: entertaining and funny while also being extremely informative.

[@joyhally7754]

I'm an Xman with insanely corrosive and gunky sweat. Controllers melt under the pressure of my gaming grip. Sticks deform under the heat of my gaming fury. My gaming hyperdrive mode regenerates my cells at such an insane rate that my residue has gunked up tens of controllers. My sheer presence heats up the house and degrades every surface I contact, staining it with my residue. Don't let me in your house. Ever since I switched to my Eswap X Pro I've never had to deal with a gunked up button again. The microswitches are just as clicky as the day I got it, and I do game pretty regularly. In contrast I would have gone through several Dualshocks in the span of time I've used the X ESwap.

[@TheUndersigned]

oh yes please talk D-pads we will never have a truly great d-pad solution until one of these goddamn companies screams FUCK IT and gives us the Neo Geo Pocket's control stick.

[@Dojaycat]

Ever wonder why a controller brand doesn’t just make a fine controller with good ish everything? 4 back paddles, buttons that work normally, actual short triggers…etc etc. oh and under 100……

[@musek5048]

because that's a terrible long term business model that wont bring you repeat customers every time their products break in a short time period? seriously though, planned obsolescence is a cancer that has leaked into so many products that we use nowadays. gone are the days when most everything was built to last forever or at the very least be easily serviceable.

[@haroldtrei]

Dude I bought the wolverine ultime years ago now, it was mostly because of your reviews, and damn did that controller become my favorite controller ever really quick, I've oppended it up several times to mod it, used a metalic tape to get rid of the pre travel in all the buttons, took the vibration motors off (and put them back on months later lol) and replaced the thumbstick caps because they wore down as time went on, hours playing have been spent on it, time past and sadly it has started to fail, stickdrift, some double click issues and the rubber is falling appart. I've had other controllers since then, but none of them come close to the feeling I get from the Wolverine ultimate, the responsiveness of the buttons, the smooth roll on the original thumbsticks and those 6 extra buttons wich are so comfortable for me, even the size is so fitting, I've now gotten some thumbsticks to swap the old ones, got some griptape to cover the part that's falling appart and I'm only missing the surface mounted switches but to be honest I am worried that I might screw up the soldering, I've done projects like this before even in controllers too, only that time I didn't care about the Razer Raiju molbile (it's so uncomfortable when it has a giant brick of a phone on top) and man all I wanna say is thank you because you pushed me to get my favorite controller ever with your videos, and honestly I couldn't be happier that I got so much enjoyment out of it. I'll try my best to firstly overcome my fear and then getting it into good condition, because there's just no controller that I've seen that comes close to it... They don't make them like they used to anymore.

[@wezzaup-1642]

Where did you find thumbstick replacements ? last i checked razer doesn't sell them and my left stick is not even recentering anymore and i got no clue on how to replace it or what to replace it with.

[@乾淨核能]

is there a text version of the ranking list? thank you

[@mythicenchilada8371]

These videos are just too good, definitely underrated

[@BashxSaiyan]

As a T4 Keleid owner. I'm a little disappointed mine was ranked so low. BUT, I mostly use it to play games that require a controller since I'm on PC, this is mostly in the case of SF6, Jedi Survivor, Rocket League among others. Other than that, I like it. Another great video, keep up the good work.

[@Jerry_quesoso]

Thanks for all the data good sir, I like when reviewers put raw data on the actuation force because I like my controllers to be easy to press and move the sticks around.

[@Pupixario]

Superb video! Thanks for going tru all these tests and data for us!

[@kccates711]

are there any plans from razor to make the razer wolveren v1 again?

[@richardhunter9779]

They are just copying what Nintendo does without understanding. Tact switches have no overtravel - they are metal dome switches, when the dome collapses, it actuates. So Nintendo puts a rubber dome on top to make it more tactile, provide overtravel, dust protection, and more reliable clicking. However, microswitches (as found in mice) already have overtravel and more reliable clicking. Adding more just makes the button press heavier and mushier.

[@xaytana]

Conceptually, there's a few hypotheticals, where actual implementation otherwise is a success or failure. One seems to be adjusting switch weight, which can outright be seen and is less of a hypothetical; and really switch weight is a matter of preference, some people like heavier and some people like lighter, there's also argument for momentum but microswitches are a bit short for that. Stemming from the previous, pre-actuation and full-travel distances, given a spring or membrane will make an otherwise very short switch a bit taller; and this again is a matter of personal preference, and again is a bit less of a hypothetical as this is seemingly what some companies are intending to do. Another seems to be for stability, which seems to be hit or miss, FlyDigi's design seems to be solely for stability by utilizing material properties and surface area, and theirs seems to be one of the better implementations; you even reference mice yourself, but you didn't reference how the plastic buttons over the switches are massive paddles that are almost universally stable in design, I have yet to find a mouse that has a wobbly left or right button. Stemming from the previous, they're used as a better return mechanism than what the spring-back of the microswitch itself is capable of; again referencing mouse main buttons, those paddles are also a return mechanism, quite literally what they're designed for since any lever advantage is nonexistent or minimal, they're just one big flexure to return a button press to button neutral no matter what the spring-back of the switch under them is. The final one I can think of is to add a tactile event, microswitches aren't tactile in the slightest outside of the psycho-acoustic effect the click provides; which at least tries to emulate what Razer does with their mecha-tactile switches, though Razer does use a different assembly entirely from what I remember seeing in what sparse teardowns exist for the controllers that use them. Then of course, dust protection, etc., which could be hypothetical or objectively utilized, dust ingress on a controller is next to none unless you have years of skin cell shed jamming the buttons via side friction; over-travel could be an interesting aspect to look at, in all of theoretical design, implementation, and preferred feel of switches, but I don't think most people would notice over-travel especially when these buttons are already being mashed on, though switch protection and/or longevity could be an interesting point to look at here. These various aspects have even been seen in what Gulikit did with their springboxes, though those were on top of a carbon contact rubber dome, but the same points still apply; and I only know of one controller that went as far as using keyboard MX style switches for these purposes, the Sunwaytek Syozen Z2, and we all know how keyswitches already provide a solution for this entire topic. There's argument to be had for a company, or even a designer/engineer, looking for a specific switch feel, though more often than not the final implementation is just jank at best or its overcomplicated assemblies, or the combination of the two; for an analogous example to this argument, look at the keyboard switch market and the variety it provides, though that comes down to personal preference more than it does the designer wanting to put out one specific feel. Though I do also have a few thoughts extending from the use of keyboard switches and the wider market, but that's an entirely different conversation. Though arguably it'd be a fix for what all of these companies are trying to attempt while also simplifying things, having wider options, and being more economic long-term with likely quick returns if it catches on, which it otherwise should especially with how influential the customer and reviewer bases are now. All via borrowing keyswitches and minimizing their footprint, 2D footprint is the major concern considering we already have LP and ULP switches on the market, to better fit gamepads, mice, and non-traditional keyboards, while also still being usable within traditional keyboards. Plus consumers could have their preferred feel, rather than companies doing dumb things that may or may not work and may or may not make sense to do. But market shenanigans just don't make sense to me; but also imagine taking what the custom keyboard market has done for the hobby community, which is now quickly becoming more and more mainstream and with cheaper offerings, and apply that to the gamepad community- we've already started seeing this with mice, we've even seen hotswap mice for a good couple years, I think it's time for gamepads to have their moment in customizability.

[@djamzer9264]

anyone get the apex 4 ? i love my elite series 2 but the responsiveness is really frustrating me in games like cod.

[@VisForVindetta]

My favorite controller reviewer and the only one I’m convinced is not paid by any manufacturer

[@artdog0100]

You look like a shady Info Broker from Mass Effect or Bladerunner in this video. Loved the vibe.

[@eejayyTV]

FlyDigi Apex 4 is the most underated controller in china. you should really review it and get your hands on it. it might be the best controller out there for the cheaper price point!

[@chuc.dxq3809]

It's not underrated. Apex4 is praised everywhere.

[@miinnercircle7809]

Don’t know why apex 4 is praised that shit is trash

[@lukemiller6410]

​@@miinnercircle7809Why?

[@miinnercircle7809]

@@lukemiller6410 that latency is terrible on the apex 4

[@lukemiller6410]

@miinnercircle7809 using the dongle or wired? And also compared to what controllers?

[@ItsBoyRed]

Hey big man I'm subscribed for the Apex 4 review. Just letting you know

[@machado5765]

I highly recommend you to test the Razer Serval. An old controller design for Android users. It's very hard to find nowadays. Colicky, stable, butter smooth.

[@Liaomiao]

the flydigi face buttons are awesome, honestly the best i've experienced

[@justendiaz3240]

Make sure to like guys Cuda needs the love to push his channel. This guys content is too good and too real it needs to go to the masses

[@Verto4321]

I bought an envision pro because of you and one other reviewer. Couldn't be happier.

[@RowdyLowdy]

From a 53yo dad, your videos are legendary bro!! Seeing new vCuda content drop makes my day.

[@ominousview]

nice video man. thanks for the info. would you happen to have any bigbig won controllers. not clicky but they work well which matters more. but i find the best face buttons are on a handheld. The TJD 101. very good hardware in general given the look of the device. FYI, Gambit dome sticks work well on the Scuf envision Pro, and the purple look nice on the grey/white envision pro.

[@keponen331]

what about Cherry MX laptop switches and Hall sticks? the holy grail

[@Clikyn]

Do you know anything about a rumored Pro gamesir controller coming out at the end of this month or begging next month? Heard it might have mouse click triggers.

[@vCuda]

It does not, but one is coming

[@Clikyn]

@@vCuda appreciate you always being honest. Hopefully it at least has some decent trigger stop tho.

[@feifonglong4321]

any reason why I can't see any text channels in the discord server

[@aweigh1010]

Just to share on this topic: my first 'pro' controller was a Razer Wolverine T.E. and the first thing to break on it was the rubber-plunger of the mechanical 'A' button, rendering the controller effectively useless.

[@kenzilbaptiste2519]

You hammered that button

[@aweigh1010]

@@kenzilbaptiste2519 Nope, try again.

[@1fareast14]

7:39 the force made the TE buttons feel somehow gummy for a mechanical switch.

[@gabsriel]

I have a mech keyboard with 100g switches. I feel in control with these while not being to much slowed down.

[@MysticX09]

You should make a video of Asus Rog Raikiri Pro Oled controller review pls!!😢

[@acridstew7293]

how come the gambit isnt on any of your list anymore ?

[@J0rdan912]

I actually prefer membrane above mechanical switches in controllers, this is the best mix from both worlds, Vader 3 Pro is probably one of the best examples of that. Also I'm kinda despise raw mechanical keyboards with springs, so I can be a little bit biased, but still - membranes in controllers are pretty much classic and must have thing.

[@abdullahfayed3272]

Can you talk about new xbox kalied controller

[@LDCxd]

i want everything the same about an xbox controller but with hall effect thumsticks and 1ms latency, is there no option for that? every option i see is using these fake mechanical buttons and to double press them fast feels awful

[@cubanbloodYT]

It’s insane how I use a $37 controller from pdp and people call me hacker! Like my grand father used to say : it’s not the bow is who used.

[@itsprod.472]

I’d rather have mechanical bumpers and triggers than face buttons or a d pad lol. The regular plunger style last for years idk how some ppl ruin they rollers so quick.

[@Will_Fong]

Is the Gamesir G7 missing from the comparison?

[@Ejp23_]

Yes gotta do best d-pad controllers for fighting games

[@Ejp23_]

And include the Xbox series x controller

[@LiljamezZz]

ngl the razer wolverine v2 is pretty good, mine is about 2 years and 6 months in and its just now starting to double click with some stick drift

[@jayskee8687]

yooo whens the new video im so curious how the new gamesir is like, im really hyped for it but awaiting for ur review since yesterday!

[@D1S0-]

Great vid 👍

[@heyolorenns]

Very good vid 👍

[@naksur2719]

This dude out here commented 2 days ago and the video just dropped.

[@k1nguerra]

As everything is getting taxed in my country right now and standard ps4 and ps5 controllers are way cheaper than any trust worthy Gamesir seller unfortunately, missed my chance of buying the t4 last year and now is like 30% more expensive than the original ones. But my question is: is it worthy at this price still?

[@vCuda]

If the sellers aren't trustworthy, a warranty claim may be more difficult to come by. Since the manufacturer, in this case GameSir, usually asks where the device was purchased and if there was a receipt. Sometimes, people are denied warranty claims based on the location purchase, I'm not $100 sure if GameSir does, but it could happen. That, paired with a +%30 price hike make it difficult to recommend since you may not have coverage in an emergency

[@astrea555]

Holy hell, so much info in this video, amazing work

[@jahblazetoker4146]

Would love a video comparing digital / mouseclick triggers (like battlebeaver has) to the hall triggers of the flydigi apex4. I love the apex 4 but the triggers are the worst part as you have no real triggerstop besides the magnetic hall effect software. I find I too easily push through it compared to my battlebeaver mouse click triggers which feel amazing but the hall sticks of the apex 4 feel great. Also wish the apex 4 had the same back buttons as battle beaver / HYPR controllers. the apex 4 back buttons are not great placement wise imo. Thanks for the great videos! super helpful as always.

[@Blu3ManiC]

The answer to why most controllers have their own actuators is patents, so homework cant exactly be copied. Think of it sorta like how cherry switches dominated the market until their patents expired and now everyone can be just as good a cherry.

[@JafarFernald]

Based on this video, im happy that i went with the envision pro and the vader 3 pro. With so many option it can get quite confusing.

[@tea_with-mint]

where is your steam controller and alpakka controller reviews?

[@SchiggyCGN]

man is there no Controller that looks like a Series X controller with just Mechanical Buttons and Hall Effect Sticks ? Everywhere online I find some crazy looking weird controllers with 7 additional buttons. I just want a normal looking wireless controller

[@arkevolved68]

Easysmx x10 is what you looking for. I'm using it too

[@Synzoku]

man didn't expect the wolverine TE to be that low :((

[@trashpanda3394]

Just wondering if anyone else ordered a hypr controller, I got mine with the HE sticks and still have drift, anyone else?

[@bradmear2385]

While some got offended by the "shape buttons if you have pronouns in your bio", that comment gave me a good laugh! Fantastic banter, fuck that haters, keep being an individual Cuda! 👍😊

[@vCuda]

Yeah that guys weird lol. Thanks man!

[@rthythmical_flow]

@vcuba what do you think is the best controller for Xbox I play claw and I don’t care for extra button I have been getting the ravor controller v2 but not gonna lie it don’t last long

[@TEMINIX]

Our boy hit puberty.

[@LiljamezZz]

Backwards

[@Ligby]

just got that "shit" off right outside the first minute

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Cool, mechanical buttons should be analog too and may they get rid of rubber pads already. May they preserve the click which is annoying but it helps. God bless.

[@乾淨核能]

could you include the direwolf 2? thank you!

[@e-dubbs]

Big fan, trying to join your discord via your link and it’s not working. Confirmed it with a friend. Any way to help?

[@Big_Boss4738]

Can I put kontrol Greeks on my razer v2 chroma

[@fahadibrahim8825]

Why you don't put big big won rainbow pro 2 controller that's weird is it bc it's Chinese ?????!!!!

[@Agent-_-Cr1mez]

We want the new kaleid test

[@jakenbake2203]

I knew there was something wrong with my tournament addition

[@mobapadofficial]

No have Mobapad, it is incomplete.

[@xtremefps_]

They really missed out not calling it membranical or mechambrane

[@BeamiFyeTV]

Scuf envision pro... Thats my controller... The only thing to perfect it is holo sticks. That's it

[@wavyy_Tidal]

the reflection in his glasses are his pupils.

[@chronicmayhem]

Why ya gotta come at us playstation guys like that 😭

[@ir3d3y3i8]

Haha he said y’all trans

[@vCuda]

Evilness 👺

[@machado5765]

The T4 Kaleid controller is amazing. Also, no mustache no like.

[@mrflimpam5948]

Yo vCuda been a minute I forgot thr name of your channel a while back , not sure if you recognize my username

[@kenzilbaptiste2519]

i personally dont use those face buttons unless im in a game menu or settings .... its the main reason i even buy pro controllers ...to avoid those face buttons ...cool vid though

[@marcuswoods4406]

Best controller reviewer on KZbin hands down vcuda puts shades on okay let's fuck shit up I love it ‼️🔥💯😎😁💪

[@CGS11900]

Probably a design process so the button don't rattle all the dam time, imagine how much they would rattle on every press without something to keep tension. Very hard to deign a mass produced item that has very close tolerances at a cheap price. So next vid covering why hall effect sticks are a scam???? They use software deadzones to be "anti drift" take it away and we have what vCuda has already defined as stick drift in previous vids. Not really a scam as they are anti drift and not marketed as no drift.

[@ChevyRedneckGFX]

Simpsons hit and run music is peak

[@hotf1ght3r93]

Where is the mustache ? ❤

[@ThaexakaMavro]

I hate the switch dpad on the xbox series xbox 360 is probably my favorite controller and like the ps5 controller a lot too

[@roccocantlie6814]

This is the content im looking for ty

[@Denver116]

nice shades dude

[@theovonskeletor3709]

Not a fan of clicky buttons or pads on controllers

[@hardtobearit]

great video man

[@MailMayne]

Lol i kept thinking something was off, ITS YOUR MUSTACHE! lol you look like a different person.

[@RizzyGyatt]

This vid is what I needed

[@00Resev]

The man look good clean shaven!

[@manny_r4077]

my r1 mech button failed. so i put back the sony guts. button feel is way better imo. mechanical buttons wont make you better than cheaters in warzone😅

[@DriftBlocker1]

Great videos. Keep it up. I hope one day you'll feature my Drift Blockers 😊 happy gaming

[@vCuda]

I appreciate the support man! I’d love to look deeper into such a project, if you’re interested in discussing it, you can contact me via the email in the about section on the channel!

[@bonanzabrandon6877]

Sadly, there will never be a "perfect" controller by my standards. It would have to have a D pad like the one Razer uses, good read buttons/paddles, and support for PS5 style resistive triggers/haptic feedback. Playstation only allows for that in their first party controllers, and they will never have a Razer style d pad dish, so it'll never happen, oh well.

[@vCuda]

It could happen one day, you never know! There are a ton of controllers doing wild shit out there, like the Apex 4 for example

[@xaytana]

A custom peripheral is also an option, though wanting DualSense features makes this a ballache as you'd have to borrow the DualSense's microcontroller. Everything would otherwise be borrowed, would it not? Essentially a kitbash of controllers.

[@UONeal]

Xbox is supposedly releasing a controller with "adaptive triggers" and should have rear paddles as well...I don't think you'll be getting the razer style d pad though lol

[@xaytana]

@@UONeal It's unlikely that Xbox and PlayStation adaptive triggers will be cross-compatible, at least not until they decide to standardize the haptic ecosystem. I also doubt that third party solutions, like what FlyDigi does will be included in this, again at least until things are standardized. I'm not entirely sure if HID has the overhead for advanced haptics like this, at least for generic devices that don't point to a supplementary driver for advanced functionality, I haven't really looked into that portion of HID; though the Steam controller did have an early haptic engine from ALPS under the Cirque pads, Cirque themselves recommended the haptic engine on earlier revisions of their circle pads, and the SC was a fully generic HID software-composite device, so there may be hope that the future of advanced haptics is just dead simple to implement. It could be another couple generations before then, we might see a patent troll or two skin to what late gen6 and early gen7 experienced. Though what's wanted here won't happen for some time, and by that time Sony will likely be a few implementations ahead of Microsoft once again.

[@samaantree]

You want the blue pill or the red pill 😎, love the look V 😬😬😬

[@russlikely1137]

I guess no chocolate milk today

[@WheeledHamster]

It's Timothee Chalmette, afro edition.

[@heyolorenns]

NEW CUDA VID LETS GO

[@danielc5647]

Review gulikit tmr joysticks

[@fwabble]

This is a great video

[@astrea555]

It's finally heeere!!

[@abadman972]

bro always cooked when he make a review 😂 😂

[@naksur2719]

Babe wake up! Cuda dropped