the scrapped finales to demo and engineer training, & sniper, spy training map [2023 leak]

[@sircatangry5864]

4:29 this is spy main hell, sentry that can't sap, back you can't backstab. *room you can't escape*

[@QuackZack]

Gaben: The Spy is my favorite class... *to torture.*

[@davisdf3064]

No one to see your disguises, no point in using invisibly

[@csharp-animemusic6558]

Good.

[@theoneheadman]

No stairs to trickstab with

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

No point in using the revolver.

[@purplehaze2358]

Kinda frustrating to know this game was _this close_ to actually getting a proper tutorial instead of the incomplete, broken mess we have right now.

[@onemoreoiw4397]

Soldier training course: Long range - Rocket Launcher Close combat - Shotgun Melee - Shovel TF2 players: Long range - Rocket Launcher Close combat - Rocket Launcher Melee - Rocket Launcher

[@2fifty533]

@@onemoreoiw4397 direct hit moment

[@anunusualstoutshako728]

With the clip brush on the balcony on the Sniper shoot training, it gives me the impression you were to have your very own bots running around the map and going for the Intel, providing for a "realistic" training scenario where you could still win by just vibing as sniper.

[@irregularassassin6380]

That's a good thought. Perhaps you were supposed to have your own scripted berserker pyro, and you had to both defend your pyro, and stop theirs.

[@rafunny1591]

kinda funny how the tutorial for the sniper is just shoot

[@unr34L-]

Regard zoomer

[@grundlestiltzken761]

"The team decided it was too much effort to make things for classes other than the Soldier" Sums it right up doesn't it

[@DrHundTF2]

I’ll say it. That sniper warehouse map looks better than Turbine

[@HTacianas]

Actually seems like a Quake map that you could have fun in, with all the verticality and short lines of sight in the middle plus the two balconies for sniper shenanigans.

[@theeyeballthatcameoutofthe5268]

but of course

[@Optim121]

Wow so brave

[@elfascisto6549]

"Sniper has a training map simply called shoot" Fitting.

[@beepboopmeow203]

A Spy course would have been so helpful for new players to actually understand their class and not do the "I wear a cool suit and can insta kill i must be god" and immediately die like how many new players learn Spy

[@crazyabe4571]

the best way to learn Spy, is to play 'Holiday punch Hoovy' - you get more HP, less people instantly kill you out of nowhere, and you use literally the exact same melee mechanic- only in a funny way.

[@owenb-r5271]

@@crazyabe4571 The problem with that is that Holiday Punch is an unlockable item, which not every F2P new player will have access to. And by the time they would've got it, they may have given up on learning the playstyle of Spy or have quit TF2 entirely.

[@1_FLASKFAN]

@@crazyabe4571 also heavy is slow guy :((((

[@artificialintelligence8328]

@@crazyabe4571 Heavy has no invisibility watch. Or a disguise kit, but disguises are usually ineffective anyway.

[@apurpledragon]

Spy actually does have an unused 2nd training course in the final game, and can be accessible by picking Spy in the training menu and typing "map tr_dustbowl" in the console.

[@user-hd9oh9bk8b]

@nathan higgers "You are welcome." -Donald John Trump, former president of the United States of America

[@marsbars9711]

Trump 2686!!

[@crispest_npc]

Holy shit he does. It's so unfinished even the very first text boxes are incomplete.

[@somerandomguyintheinternet]

Man, if only there was more time to finish the training maps, new players would be able to enjoy the game more.

[@smacznykapec]

There was. They could add it in any update.

[@datbanan2717]

@@smacznykapec its so sad they dont have any time anymore

[@ReyHunter]

@@smacznykapec aaaaany second now...

[@whydowehavethesehandles]

There look an update!...no wait that's just localization files

[@Janfon1]

They didn't need more time, they changed their mind over time and abandoned the projects out of their own volition

[@Davtwan]

The fact that most of these are basically finished is the most disheartening part.

[@SentenceToDESU]

This last map looks... Unsettling... Its almost feels like you are in purgatory or something like that

[@helmetluigi]

That's what kunai + dead ringer spies get

[@eskeletor]

zoomers shit themself at the thought of empty room

[@SentenceToDESU]

@@eskeletor Im sorry, mr boomer for disappointing your expectations. Also I didnt know people like you are interested in modern things like video games. I sure hope your grandchildren really likes you for that

[@eskeletor]

@@SentenceToDESU wow what a way to prove my point

[@BrightEyesDev]

@@eskeletor you deleted your comment

[@kukuruznik53]

damn training mode in tf2 couldve been much better

[@wendy-gw6kx]

actually tr engineer wasnt actually finished from my own personal testing after the spy segment there would be a pyro segment i was messing around trying to debug tr engineer and how after spy some invisible text boxes pop up after killing the spy and randomly a friendly pyro spawned in and also there was gonna be a segment where the sentry is destroyed and you are tasked to reposition

[@wendy-gw6kx]

looking at the logic now it seems you would get an entire team it would consist of a heavy soldier scout another scout another soldier another heavy a pyro and another engineer while the enemy team would get medic scout and sniper

[@QuackZack]

These are so cool, it's a major shame that they gave up on finishing it and ended up giving a much more generic tutorial that will leave newbies to learn for themselves through countless painful hours of trial & error.

[@pantuternik]

Painless? You mean painful?

[@MenachemSchmuel]

what's crazy is that even if they'd completed these training courses, there'd still be so many hidden mechanics that you'd have almost zero chance of learning just by playing

[@MrOrgeston]

@@pantuternik Painless. It's a game. An incredibly fun one at that.

[@tylerlackey1175]

@@MrOrgeston brainwashed

[@MrOrgeston]

@@tylerlackey1175 Been playing this game for over ten years. Back when I started, I learned by playing. Since then, I've never stopped learning about TF2. It doesn't matter how many training maps there are, player motivation will be the sole reason for learning how to be good at the game.

[@boodle399]

The spy one feels about fitting for how spy is treated ingame

[@comet-fy6pd]

valves view on spy is so low he is literally under the floor

[@greasehardbody4018]

That Demoman tutorial in particular seemed really useful and I wish they hadn't scrapped it.

[@Eshyyyyy]

I can only assume the Spy map is just a MUCH earlier concept of the one in the final game. Just laying down the basics for the class. Demo’s is honestly an enigma, as it seems like it was intended to be released, but they just never did. Since the text strings have been in the files for years at this point. The Engineer one seems like it had a lot of work put into it before the eventual “we stopped giving a shit, shut it down” nature of TF2’s tutorial.

[@darksuperganon]

I wonder how a Pyro training course would have worked considering that Pyro didn't have airblast when the game released. Like would the text have just read "W+M1 lol good luck"?

[@fiafiaaaa]

Training mode was added in 2010, when Pyro already had his airblast

[@topminator2991]

It would probably tell you to hide behind a corner with your flamethrower equipped and wait for the enemy to arrive. Shoot the enemies outside your flamethrower range with your shotgun.

[@crazyabe4571]

"Here's a bottomless hole, here's a series of AI running past it- we trust you can do the math yourself."

[@GunSpyEnthusiast]

no you dumb shit it whould read : " W+M1 and be a distraction whilst a real class kills your killer for you you pussy." as pyro's role origonaly was.

[@hoodcate]

This would've been such a good idea.... Too bad they couldn't finish it, TF2's problematic tutorial is why people tend to get lost and leave the game early.

[@kurko3200]

It's wild that a 2016 video from FUNKe still plants the problems of tf2 learning tools to this day, things haven't changed

[@bongwater1856]

I feel like I remember playing the demo training map, which shouldn't be possible. Weird.

[@aaclovern9804]

If someone from valve watches shounic: WE NEED THIS. Especially rocket jump training.

[@strangejune]

Spy never really made sense to me as a class until I saw that tutorial map. It really put the class into perspective in a way that nothing else could.

[@attackedbysnakes3640]

Brain blast idea: what if Valve were to implement the tutorials, as a way for F2P players to be able to use chat and other features? It could serve as a bot filter and as a way to force new players to learn before they hop in

[@Padgriffin]

Bots would just breeze past the tutorial in 10 minutes, the scripted nature of the maps makes it potentially TASable so they potentially don’t even need hacks turned on, just a script that inputs at specific times

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

The built-in training maps could really use some improvement. Maybe with the game getting frequently updated again that'll happen soon.

[@newagetapes]

Frequently updated?

[@rocketpg_9532]

@@newagetapes”Frequently updated” is a part of the game’s Steam store description

[@ahmed4363]

ha ha frequently updated nice joke brother

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

@@ahmed4363 Yeah, because "every day, sometimes twice a day" definitely isn't frequent Have you been living under a rock for the past year?

[@ahmed4363]

@@TinyDeskEngineer wait it actually is being updated, last time i played as when they added the snakes

[@CursedMoistMan690]

We really need the training Payload one, I have lost so many games because my teammates don't know how to push the cart

[@RonZhang]

You should make a commentless video about the entirety of these unused missions. That would super cool to watch and observe, as well as show some further cool tips for TF2.

[@ohhnozonio]

"and my favourite class is the spy. thanks and have fun" -Gabe Newell,2023

[@GigasGMX]

Wow, it looks like they could just add that demo/payload tutorial to the game tomorrow if they wanted. They really should.

[@Thekidster12]

The potential! *NEGLECTED!*

[@Vexcenot]

This is tf2 content we've been meaning to watch

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

Sniper map probably intended to go from sniper to SMG training

[@bobthebox2993]

If only instead of putting all that effort into 8 training maps for the soldier, they split up that effort to make 9 training maps, 1 for each class.

[@double2254]

Perfect world would have been that they did finish and implement the 8 soldier tutorial maps as the first ones you got to play unless you skip the tutorial, then have 1 map for the other 8 classes teaching the fundamental class specific mechanics of each (like with the engi having to defend on dustbowl, demo attacking and learning his arching projectiles, sniper needing to snipe enemies, preferably a better tutorial then that spy one, etc)... Let soldier be the noob class, he is one of the highest skill ceiling classes and one of the most expressive classes in the game... if any class was to get a 8 map tutorial gauntlet on how do you play its him. Just having that plus the one for each class going into detail would have made all the difference for everyone, we all were noobs at one point and something as basic as that would make tf2's difficulty curve not be such a steep incline requiring outside information If any consolation, even finishing and implementing the solider tutorial today would be a nice gesture

[@TwitterMutual]

4:21 Yeti Heavy jumpscare

[@neko_birel]

so this is what a well made training mode for tf2 looks like

[@Kailalee]

irrc these maps were actually accessible through tf2 tutorial menu, it's just they removed them for some reason after reworking menu again (when ranked released?)

[@CoolPlayersVic]

tut_spy is the map ever

[@bobkinect5254]

oh muah god……. Multiple videos uplaoded………….. thank……..

[@kisaragi-hiu]

Valve is the epitome of "Please just fucking ship".

[@theultimatetrashman887]

what a shame none of these are in the game even though demo's and engies tutorials work.

[@SurrogateActivities]

ok so they decided that this is gonna take too much effort to do all 9 classes. so they decided to settle for a simpler tutorial. which is still not for all 9 classes. and they had at least 13 years to finish the simpler version we got. amazing.

[@MrFireWolf]

now I feel bad for every f2p that I've seen that got no idea of what's going on. specially engineers that dont even know they can upgrade their stuff.

[@basenus]

0:11 it remind me of cs map assault

[@bigjoegamer]

Nice video. Now that VScript is in TF2, the community can make better tutorial maps for every class. Am I right?

[@FatCatCooper]

this just makes me extremely angry at valve at how they shoot themselves in the foot all the time and actively make great things worse because of their shitty work practices

[@MetalX34]

tbh a lot of these maps feel more like bloat, not really a fix to the lackluster tutorial. a lot is just "go cap points with bots" or "practice shooting", which you can already do fine in other trainings or the ai mode. let's not act like this was a missed opportunity. what the game would have really benefited from is teaching the more esoteric mechanics: basics on how other classes work, how knockback sends you flying whether it's from enemy shot or your weapon, how crouch jumps are actually important. would have also loved a map about evading explosives, cause i feel still too many pubbers are really clueless about how this works whereas it should be part of the abc. in any case, you could condense all that in a few maps.

[@TwiliPaladin]

I got rickrolled by an ad after finishing this one.

[@knightwolf1363]

I NEED MORE i just wanted all the classes easily playable now everyone has to play for 3,000 hours just to get gud

[@CombineWatermelon]

would be appreciated if you specified which songs from the guy you used

[@even_nuller]

Gotta love those pill shots.

[@Kacper42PL]

I hate the way Valve operates I hate the way Valve operates I hate the way Valve operates I hate the way Valve operates I hate the way Valve operates

[@nite_owl_was_here]

that sniper map looks eerily similar to a map from the game "Overkill: Ballistic" which unfortunately failed a few years ago. I don't think the similarity is a coincidence.

[@squidtilus0.400]

Nice!

[@SaucyBoy]

swag tutorials

[@blazinghyena8154]

the only thing training taught me to do was to immediately turn on quick weapon switch.

[@bfrxcrpgfhanzux]

good video

[@PaulusTheCart]

very cool!

[@blu3m0nkey]

The spy and enginer could of shared a training (they would have less maps focused on them, yet have 2-3 more maps focused on both of them at the same time.)

[@Lohkat]

imagine if valve actually updated their game with features they were thinking to do since the beginning... TF2 has so much to do still.

[@user-jn1xw2mc7j]

3:40 someone in the community will probably do that ngl

[@AliensComeback]

Spy main here!

[@slantedhorses4233]

its so crazy seeing bits and pieces of old versions/concepts of maps we have today in these

[@cmdpnt]

feels bad that valve never finishes/updates tutorials for their games but i also feel like it would also introduce the problem of how much they would have to update them as new stuff gets added/discovered and the tools and methods you use to approach a situation changes easy to imagine a person coming out of a finished version of these after a few hours and then still getting absolutely domed by something they didn't know existed and get pissed off at that

[@Name_Pendingg]

1:58 *_HERE? PLACE THE EXIT THERE??_* that's a good sentry base spot... but... place the exit, _in the middle of _*_open battle ground???_*

[@chaosagent999]

wow nice why wasnt this released

[@OmegaRC59]

Because it wasn't finished, better question is why they didn't finish them ever lmao

[@rocketpg_9532]

Valve moment

[@ummnumm690]

These look so cool :o

[@BungieStudios]

Which class is the strongest ingame for solo play?

[@magicmanscott40k]

The demo one was very impressive

[@chuckles2364]

If someone made full training maps (in the style of the released ones, not these) for the remaining classes with all the programming done do you think they'd consider adding them? Seems like change wise comminity maps are the biggest ones we'll get for now, so if someone made very well made ones that got enough exposure, I wonder if that could truly amount to a meaningful change. Not looking for any overly pessimistic and overdone replies about why "vavle hates us". Looking for logic based replies.

[@MBP1918]

Oh my

[@blacklight683]

They did spy dirty💀

[@Trianull]

2:06 Why on God's green earth do they have you place the buildings so close to each other in the Engineer training

[@NTMonsty]

They're teaching growing Engies to build their nests.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

@@NTMonstyAnd also teaching bad positioning (if that demo was a little more to your right, the pipes would’ve landed, and two overheated heavies pincering would make a large opening), and encouraging turtling, as they never even TELL you that the dispenser is for the team, not just you.

[@logie263]

The sniper map kinda feels like turbine and 2fort combined ngl

[@sgas]

Slightly disappointed at the lack of a silly edit at the end lol, I was so expecting one after gabe said the normal sentence

[@IzzyHoP_]

this breaks my heart tbh

[@Neslakim]

Wish they put this in the game and made it mandatory to play. This to mak it harder to implement new bots. You can't just make an account, you have to use half an hour of training before you can even log onto a valve server. This may have many flaws, but it's better than we have today.

[@blakspot2721]

1:00 why was bro dry humping the cart

[@raf13lol]

neat

[@nungus145]

double upload moment

[@guilhermebecker17]

First map in intro clip is from counter strike 1.6

[@quattrobajeena8954]

Newbies absolutely need to learn how to PROPERLY deal with sentries...

[@DrPeeper]

How did you get tr_engineer1 to work properly?

[@JohnPaulBuce]

4:38 weird cut

[@JoeVO24]

at this point it begs the question, if they had all this, this close to being finished, why sacrifice the longevity and playability for the game by not implementing them? what benefit was there to omitting such an obviously good addition, dare i say, necessary part, of the game?

[@Thmyris]

werent these in the game long ago? am I misremembering? Im pretty sure I did that engineer training course

[@hudsonk1racer]

I feel like they should just add the Demo map already, engineer too.

[@KioneWinterHowl]

Heeeey, on the game for xbox befoee you ever update it, I remember doing this.

[@GaminApe]

I'm so disappointed that valve never finished and released these. Team Fortress 2 can be very hard to get into for new players and it doesn't help that it doesn't have a very good tutorial.

[@slayer4501]

That's typical valve for you leaving unfinished work

[@JNJNRobin1337]

was there a training overhaul originally planned?

[@maxtube1952]

So, they had fully scripted, and completely finished in the case of Demo and Engie, training maps for other classes which would work fine if they touched 'em up a bit and implemented them. And they just...didn't.

[@MarkStillPlays]

idk if this was a good idea to upload both videos at once considering you'll get less views, but im not complaining because its still amazing content

[@Pygargue00fr]

The fact that they abandonned this should be a crime

[@rocketpg_9532]

Valve please, why do you do these things

[@ashtongiertz8728]

3:50 that's stupid. Sniper is significantly less complicated than soldier, so designing a training map for him should be easy.

[@Joshinken]

Why is spy carrying trans intel?

[@Thatitchyguy]

Is there a console command to make players not gib like in the video? Explosive ragdolls are always funny

[@BlixyBlix]

tf2 time