This Is His Third App Cycle- What Is He Doing Wrong? | Application Renovation S4 Ep. 2

[@andywu2334]

Update: I am the applicant in the video and received 5 MD IIs and 5 DO IIs this cycle and will be attending one of the MD schools. Don't give up if this is your dream!

[@uhhhlana]

Came to the comments for an update!! Thanks and congrats!!

[@wifidepressed]

Dr. Gray should have you on mission accepted! Big congrats!

[@andrewkang4091]

good job man

[@jimmycolvin]

That’s awesome!!! I just got my acceptance letter last week!

[@H2daIzzo69]

YAYYYY

[@Scriabin_fan]

Poor guy, i can't imagine the pain he's gone through. This process is brutal, life is brutal.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

Yeah and they wonder why there is a physician shortage lol idk why they make it a pain to get into medical school like why the hell do they weigh the personal statement so heavily there is an interview process for a reason, like what the hell is the essay for if medical schools still interview you and hear your answer for “why medicine”

[@blackflower6635]

The process is not only brutal. It is annoyingly stupid and the worst thing is that these medical schools think that this is the best process.

[@Scriabin_fan]

@blackflower6635 As someone with pretty average stats, it's honestly so frustrating seeing people with stats like this who are obviously very intelligent get rejected. It makes me wonder if medical schools even want intelligent people lol.

[@meina0614]

@@Scriabin_fanno they just want applicants who will tow the line.

[@happytobehere-o4j]

He is such a great guy and so likeable. He clearly has dug himself out of a huge hole and is still digging. I hope he gets in next cycle. Make sure to apply to DO schools too!

[@claus1225]

DO schools are getting very competitive too.

[@richardking1561]

I think its ridiculous that he is having to go through all this. He definitely proved himself since undergrad especially with grad school and MCAT x 4. We all had things in life that were adversities, for him almost 10 years ago, but from the presentation it appears he definitely turned it around.

[@tshum2157]

This channel has been a game changer. I just got accepted to one of my top schools in my second cycle and Dr Gray’s videos were definitely what made the difference. I came from D1 football and the path wasn’t easy but I’m glad we have this resource.

[@Soccer.star35]

Yooooo Any tips for a fellow D1 football player? How did you find time to strengthen your application with such a busy schedule? Do you feel that being a football player helped you stand out?

[@jesstiss222]

What a kind, humble, teachable guy! I bet this candidate is really going to shine in interviews, once he taps into his own story and awesomeness more. I look forward to his success story in the future!💙

[@soumyas8774]

I think his app shows resilience and persistence, he's doing great! He has a good attitude and seems to be a positive person! With due time things will all work out! Just a part of the process and phase in life with figuring out what works, who you are, and believing in one's self! Good luck this cycle future doc!

[@superhani13]

Such a great episode. Thank you to this person for being vulnerable! Helping others in the process of doing so, key qualities!

[@tylerslater9448]

I’m not disagreeing with any critiques of the app, but shouldn’t the fact that the applicant has shelled out thousands of dollars be an indication that they *do* want to be a doctor? If someone was gonna half-ass it, would they have done an SMP, four MCATS, and multiple applications? That’s gotta be a down payment on a house.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

Yeah medical schools are weird as f*

[@AlphaNumeric123]

What that indicates is the might like the idea of being a doctor, or being successful, more than actually being a doctor. Do you want to be successful or do you want to be a doctor? It seems weird that you’re so sure you want to be a doctor when you don’t have any demonstrable experience to show you know what that even means. That said, he does have over a thousand hours in the clinic as a scribe-that does seem like a lot to me tbh!

[@JossinJax]

Not really; he or his family could be wealthy, or he could have some sort of other financial backing which is independent of his desire to become a doctor.

[@sharimillangue7030]

I pray you make it! HAPPY REVISIONS & GETTING CLINICAL EXPERIENCE! GOD BLESS YOU! GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE!

[@hannahpfleuger7555]

I attended THE Ohio State University as well and majored in biochemistry like it seems this student here did! I can honestly say that this major at OSU is extremely tough. I would compare my gen chem/ochem course work with friends at other universities and ours was always 10x harder. Props to you for giving this your all! :)

[@alphaspartan]

I'll tell my cousin not to go here then. I always had a feeling a school that puts THE in front of their name was bad news.

[@thatmakesscents7113]

Dr. Gray roasting his schools was so funny to me. He’s a such a proud gator I love it😂🐊 Go Gators! All in good fun

[@Plzcheese]

This guy gives me hope for my app when I have been getting down Way to show initiative man!

[@estherkim985]

only got to 16:40 but personally i think his work/activities section can be majorly improved by being more specific. for physician shadowing, he says he became a team member rather than an observer, but he could specify exactly how he did that. or for his medlife service learning trip, he could specify how his decision to become a physician was further reinforced or what specific lessons from this experience would help him become a better physician in the future rather than simply stating he promised to make the child brush her teeth. overall, his w/a section is pretty vague and sometimes his writing seems like a trail of his thoughts/him trying to sound deep (e.g., "when searching for a service experience, i asked myself what was something i have never had to struggle with but others do"). he could've written that same sentence in a lot less words and focused more on the actual experience itself.

[@tailorforeman7082]

at 5:00 that part resonated with me. I was an above average HS student but went to college at 16 and went pretty wild lol. I also knew I wanted to do medicine but didn't realize what that meant I needed to do. I ended up going Caribb and that's going well. I could NEVER give my money to AAMC 3+ times, I refused!

[@mohanr7274]

Is it difficult for Carribean students getting match into US residencies?

[@khwarnyowin3067]

This episode is very, very helpful. I really need to reevaluate whether I want to continue and commit to medicine. Thank you, Dr. Gray and the applicant, for sharing your application.

[@orgen666]

I know it’s not click-baity for you to make an application renovation video for your typical applicant, but can you please make a video on a prototypical med school matriculant so that we can have some sort of baseline to work with?

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

Mission: Accepted is all about matriculants! - M

[@davidsoto4394]

Would going to law school first and then taking prereques for medical school be a good thing to do?

[@davidsoto4394]

Excellent video.

[@davidsoto4394]

Can a doctor get a job with an MD but no residency? What is a secondary essay in a medical school application?

[@flip2863]

I'm surprised they didn't talk about DO. Seems like he only applied MD x3.

[@tyana1239]

His pursuit is so admirable! I hope he gets in!

[@calvinklein6903]

Dude’s personal statement did him in.

[@Eagletraucer024]

100%

[@mdiwan2597]

Totally agree- if he fixes it and maybe gets 1-2 more current activities his application will improve by leaps and bounds

[@joaquinvazquez43]

I am so glad to see someone who didn't get completely destroyed on Application Renovation lol

[@jlau5634]

Why wasn’t there a discussion about DO schools? Especially the ones who like reinvention. I also wonder if that “dip” in MCAT score was due to the “short MCAT” during early Covid. This student likely has 3 failed cycle. Now needs to add clinical. That sounds like he shouldn’t apply in June, but wait until June 2023 so he has something to put down.

[@sharimillangue7030]

Great job! I hope you get in! Good luck!

[@sharimillangue7030]

I am only beginning! Wish me luck!

[@jlau5634]

Was there a break in his activities due to Covid? It’s been hard for premeds to have access during 2020-21 and even into 2022

[@jesstiss222]

My thoughts as well!

[@JasonKrastein]

Yes! I think that's very true. I think that all ADCOMs know that covid has affected clinical experience. I think it would be important to discuss what you did during that time. For example, what did you do?

[@steinervision7643]

I think if he applies to some DO schools, he has a better chance to get to med school.

[@fatgeisha4685]

out of all these I've watched, the rhetorical question of "are you committed to the sacrifice" really resonates because I too have a huge fear of if I can commit to the amount of studying required and dealing with the buckets of stress it comes with lol

[@chloebenjamin5599]

I think he should consider a postbaac linkage program.

[@JenRob1109]

I totally feel for him on the MCAT during COVID. Same thing happened to me, and it felt impossible to keep studying.

[@jlau5634]

I know this is anecdotal, but it seemed like with the shorter Covid MCAT, students either did noticeably better or worse than expected. Don’t know if that with fewer questions, if they happened to be ones you could answer correctly, you did better, and if the fewer questions happened to be too many that you couldn’t answer, you did worse.

[@destroyerwill6122]

Sounds like if I get past this hoop I'm gonna have even more fun with the residency apps

[@jackiele5019]

If he worries abt gpa, please consider move back to Texas and do an academic fresh start. Also, he would be more benefited being a Texas resident.

[@woodywu22]

He is both those things

[@shuaibb8992]

@@woodywu22 hey Woody, update about your lil bro?

[@cocolina53348]

@@woodywu22 hows he doing?

[@CDCrest]

@@woodywu22 update?

[@Bighitta92]

This MD is being very bias to me about his criticism. So what if his volunteers work is old , this guy took the MCAT 4 times . Clearly dedicated. Ps , some people don’t come from a family that can pay there bills etc . So he may was working to take care of his self .. taking a dream from a person , because his application isn’t the way you want it to be . Smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

We are here to help him get an acceptance by highlighting gaps in his application that med schools may have rejected him for, it's an extremely competitive process and the application is extremely important. Many students have to work full time and also commit to volunteer activities. We hope that he is able to get in next cycle. - MSHQ Team

[@greatwolf5372]

He is not the one making decisions. He is giving his opinion on what medical schools find important. The student is free to accept or reject his opinions.

[@KheyroJama-v2i]

I think, many of us have a hard time to understand the process of setting up for the medical journey we need to compact. I think, he has plan but not necessarily understand the process and logically, he is a bit distracted. Maybe life is in the way. I’m sure he can make it through this smoothly, once he understand the concept of been a future doctor.

[@michaelmay8884]

I go to university of South Carolina Columbia and currently have a 3.86 as a pre med, 2nd year. Will medical schools look down just because I’m at a mid-level school? Probably comparable to Ohio State, UGA, Purdue, etc in terms of tier/difficulty?

[@jzhvaeduh]

Nope

[@rosalia7482]

Not at all. It’s your experiences that matter, and the mcat should be the great equalizer because not all colleges are equally as difficult. So just do well on the mcat and you should be okay

[@OrioleBeagle]

He was joking.

[@rosalia7482]

Maybe he should look into getting some research experience? Not sure if I read about that anywhere

[@saarimr4476]

Like the new intro 👍

[@caseyfarrell5760]

I’m a UF Student, what do you mean by “it’s not a University of Florida”?

[@jmafeef]

I heard the student say "S and P" or something like that with regard to this graduate studies. What is that?

[@aaamflikah]

It's SMP, Special Masters Program. They are typically med-school linked masters programs for people looking to boost their application with maybe better grades and a more impressive transcript

[@jmafeef]

@@aaamflikah Thank you!

[@BrianErwin]

you could be finishing rotations at carribean school by now. a close friend of mine finished undergrad with horrible gpa, knew he'd get filtered out so went and got an mph. he took the mcat four times and applied to 30 schools, just like you. paid thousands and got rejected by all schools except the carribean school. that was 2017. now, he's in his first year of residency at rutgers. instead of doing multiple cycles, he just did one and accepted his fate. not only do schools filter low gpa, but your four mcat attempts are also a red flag for a lot of schools. one dean told me straight up, only take the mcat once. i know this channel says upward trend is fine, but other schools view it as duh, of course you're doing better after four tries

[@mariaghatas2830]

When is it considered late to apply in medical school? If I apply in June 17th is that late?

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

That is not late.

[@JasonKrastein]

I would say late is in july. Since you did june, you are good. Have you started pre-writing secondaries?

[@JossinJax]

Hi doc, new to your channel. How does one contact you for some similar advice and counsel?

[@woodywu22]

That’s my little bro

[@iamsofrank]

I think slipping in Super Bowl questions in the small print weeds out some fantastic people with ADHD who are in the top of their freelance field.

[@pabritova]

Did he get in?

[@useforspam2345]

If you are adopted to US citizens from another country to america are you first generation? or 0th generation. my adoptive parents are 1st generation btw

[@stylewithme365]

Wow he's committed 😳

[@sadiem6758]

How did he get into a masters program with such a low gpa?

[@8beautylover8]

Some masters arent super competitive and personal statements matter there too. I had a 3.2 cGPA undergrad and got into my masters now i have a 4.0.

[@xniks101x]

They also take into account your GRE. My masters program would take sub 3.0 if you had a 300+ GRE.

[@jameslinmd]

Why not apply to DO school? His GPA is obviously low. Medicine isn't everything. It's a sacrifice. You really need to know this is what you want to do.

[@JasonKrastein]

I think that's very true. I applied to 26 MD and 5 DO. With 3 interviews and one acceptance. You got to do what you got to do. Are you applying to med school?

[@ij487i1]

Because a DO school essentially locks you out of the most competitive specialties, unless you're set on doing primary care Easier to get over the med school admissions bottleneck than the residency match bottleneck

[@jhuang3941]

Do you take any student for med school application?

[@JasonKrastein]

I am also more than happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions!

[@wifidepressed]

Any updates on him? Did he get in?

[@Mirrrh.1]

Yup

[@thedog5k]

4:27 How are you ever supposed to move up? You can’t go to med school because you had a mediocre undergrad school? WITH INSANE GRADES? Er, “ MASTERS” 3.98 gpa

[@JoeG2324]

its illegal now to discriminate against asians and whites so you shouldnt be hearing stories like this anymore

[@luytluyt4529]

Being Asian in the American education system is ridiculous

[@eymenmohammed2572]

cry about it

[@eymenmohammed2572]

He had multiple c's and D's what'd you expect ?!?!?!?!

[@Ahn-mu3db]

Stop being a victim

[@amanda566]

@@eymenmohammed2572 Lol so do the URM students showcased on this channel, in addition to

[@dmedstudent1431]

@@amanda566 apparently?

[@weilin2418]

Because he is Asian, discriminating against Asian is a open secret, its sooooo unfair to him!!!

[@TheFearlessMotivation]

I have my undergraduate in electrical engineering with 3.7gpa and my master’s in biomedical engineering with 3.35gpa. I am almost completing my mba program in healthcare but yet to take my mcat. Do you think this profile is ok ? I am aiming for 520+

[@Shivpi3141592654]

Ngl, the PS was cringe.

[@jesstiss222]

What constructive advice would you offer?

[@dritabrown]

@@jesstiss222 starting over

[@adaezenjoku7527]

@@jesstiss222 all the constructive advice that this guy just told him

[@jesstiss222]

@@adaezenjoku7527 oh so piling on is constructive? 🧐 Trolls gonna troll, I guess

[@adaezenjoku7527]

@@jesstiss222 this guy meaning the person the person running this channel, not the comment

[@PHILLYMEDIC69]

His written part for the AMCAS report is just... atrocious. it was like reading the writing of a 10 year old.

[@zliu1995]

OSU is a tough school to graduate. 50% students can't make it.

[@shootingstars7135]

Lmaooo, high stats, no acceptance…didn’t need to see the video and I already suspected it was an Asian. I really feel bad for Asian, they work so hard just to be oppressed by America because they’re “too successful”. It’s a shame, merits means nothing if ur not the correct race. It’s good for me as less competition but still I don’t feel it’s fair for the Asian community. If I do get accepted into med school, I don’t know if it’s bc of my hard work or bc of my race. Best of luck to this guy!

[@saysHotdogs]

welp. that's over now so

[@JoeG2324]

@@saysHotdogs the supreme court took care of that

[@sophiashai946]

Bruhhh what’s wrong w osu

[@TheBhopali1]

Eastern cultures~ kids listen to their parents about life choices!! Western culture doesn’t get it 😢

[@MrPaintballfanatic]

THE ohio state

[@ulrichnkou4491]

Second