Medieval people were NOT FLAT EARTHERS or all died before 30 | Medieval Misconceptions

[@shadiversity]

Absolutely spectacular reply video done by the Metatron: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZS0ZqNvopx-f7c

[@riukrobu]

Coming from there! I'm so happy you guys interact like that.

[@Skyblade12]

But he did not respond to your lovely accents.

[@codieomeallain6635]

Your American accent was noticeably tainted with your Australian accent but better than some I have heard. You are right though, we do love apple pie and guns because they are delicious and cool respectively.

[@theamericankaiser4549]

I am just watching this after being under a rock for so long and loved the intro but what if we lives on all those earths as one super earth?

[@DGaryGrady]

@@codieomeallain6635 For breakfast this morning I went out and shot an apple pie.

[@raistormrs]

In the past, every Village had a Idiot, the problem with Social Media is, they can now talk to each other ...

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Every village has an idiot. If yours doesn't, it is probably you.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@schwarzerritter5724 bruh, oh shit

[@uberneanderthal]

@@schwarzerritter5724 but one town's idiot might be another town's genius.

[@KnightsofGaming2016]

*OOOOOOHHHH*

[@lairdcummings9092]

@@uberneanderthal that's rather terrifying.

[@rymdalkis]

My high school geography teacher confidently told the class that people in medieval times believed the Earth was flat. While showing us a medieval drawing of the Earth… as a globe…

[@caseydubois3645]

The failings of public school teachers... our public school system needs to be overhauled.

[@rymdalkis]

@@caseydubois3645 The sad thing is, though it was a public school, it was still one of the top ranked schools in my country

[@caseydubois3645]

@@rymdalkis Honestly, this is just what happens when people put the government in charge of anything but serving and protecting the people (such as education): it tends to prove itself wildly incompetent.

[@rymdalkis]

@@caseydubois3645 Bruh, I went to a private school for junior high and it was way worse than my high school. You can't just apply the situation in the US and expect it to be exactly the same in every other country in the world.

[@caseydubois3645]

@@rymdalkis Oh, sorry. Yeah, obviously there can be people who do jobs less well than the government can, and there are some competent government programs. I was just painting with a broad brush.

[@sariahhorowitz5450]

"The symbol of the Catholic Church was a cross on a ball, not a pancake" one of my teachers.

[@Nonsense010688]

for me one of the most obvious signs that medieval people didn't view the earth flat was always that the "Reichsapfel" one of the Insignia of the Holy Roman Emperor, is indeed an "apple" aka a ball and not a plate. Given how that symbolism ruling the world, it clearly shows the Assumtion of the world being round.

[@jacksonreese17]

That would be the symbol of the Carthusian order

[@justtime6736]

@@trevoravery9270 Ah, so teachers.

[@trevoravery9270]

@@Nonsense010688 there were literally over 40 cultures, societies in the medieval times that believed the earth was flat. Vikings, Native Americans, Hopi for one, Islam. Christians..................So where did you get this ignorant , misinformed view that 'medieval' people didn't think the earth was flat ?

[@Nonsense010688]

@@trevoravery9270 where is the proof for any of your claims? Because "Christians" is already false as evident through the reichsapfel

[@miqvPL]

"we're making mistakes in a modern day that people in the past and medival period weren't doing" - yeah, like thinking nunchucks are a good weapon

[@akanesunset133]

This needs to be the top comment

[@willparry530]

@@akanesunset133 it certainly has MY upvote.

[@matheusalves5160]

As the people says, "based"

[@4philipp]

Can we just agree that during any period some things were “over rated” and/or “under rated”? Because if you are a swordsman and I’m an archer, clearly we’d prefer our weapon of choice.

[@yubear420]

LMAO

[@Zack-bl2gg]

I love how you talked about how the church promoted science, and even quoted “St Thomas Aquinas”, one of the most intelligent theologians and philosophers of all time.

[@e.l.2734]

Ah yes, the lines scrapped from OG Link as they removed all Catholic reference from the games.

[@farrex0]

Edit: I was proven wrong at what I said, ignore this comment in terms of accuracy. but I am leaving it just so people can understand the conversation.... Original Comment: Well tbf, they suppressed discoveries that went against scripture. For example the most famous one, Galileo Galilei. So they indeed promote science, and even clergy were scientist, I do not think anyone at least a little bit informed has ever made the case against it. But the problem is that it was supported only as long as it never contradicted the bible, or any beliefs the church had, anything that went against their belief was indeed suppressed.

[@apolloniuspergus9295]

@@farrex0 You know that Galileo lived after the medieval period, don't you? And also that the _Index Librorum Prohibitorum_ only began in the 1530's, right? (And the reason it was made is to specifically contain the widespread of new theories without firm confirmations, since the existence of the printing press became relevant). Before that, there was no need to censor anything, since most of the scientific contributions were carefully made by the catholics themselves, and there was no quick way to spread an information that may be deceiving. Quite the opposite of what is done today, people who understand nothing about astrophysics can listen to an astrophysicist tell all the most recent facts about the universe and spread the informations everywhere.

[@farrex0]

@@apolloniuspergus9295 Ok, you are right, Galileo was early enough for me to think it still applied to Medieval church policies, but given what you said about the Index Librorum Prohibitorum and printing press. I concede I was wrong. It would make sense to me tho, that they would still enforce or at least call heresy to that which was discovered that could contradict the bible. But I admit I do not know enough about the topic, and I will have to look into it. But given how most examples I know, are after the 1500s, then you might be right, and it only happened after the medieval period. Or at least, no major discovery that contradicted the bible happened during that time, so maybe there was no need for that. At least I know how much the Church helped science in its infancy, so I am not hating on the Church, I was just going on what seemed logical to me, given what I knew about the later periods.

[@sillygreatjaggi7946]

@@farrex0 if I remember correctly, the reason the church didn't like Gallileo was because he was insulting in a letter he wrote about his ideas. It was about his insult not his ideas

[@Groundlord]

The Greeks and Romans didn't just figure out that Earth was round, they also had a really damn accurate estimate for its size.

[@dikkie1000]

And they used a Shad approved tool in proving it (a STICK!) and a pit in Egypt that was at we now know to be at about 23.5 degrees above the equator. And they could measure distance, so the tools were present or could easely be made, the mindset was present and the willingness to conduct an experiment and document it. That's the whole idea behind science, wanting to know things and figuring out how to measure those things and being able to explain it to others why, and how you did it.

[@savvageorge]

Eratosthenes calculated it in 200BC using trigonometry and he was only 1% off the actual figure. Christopher Columbus was a lot less accurate than him 1500 years later so I think pagan Europe was a lot more scientifically advanced than Christian Europe up until the beginning of the modern age.

[@johnbutler4631]

Truth

[@fanofgodjimindiva2497]

@@savvageorge Pagan Europe WAS more scientifically advanced than christian medieval europe. The medieval troglodyte religious idiots are to blame for the whitering and stagnation of science during 1000 years. In fact, many inventions and science from antiquity was lost in the DARK AGES of christianity and had to be rediscovered..such as concrete

[@MayYourGodGoWithYou]

@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 Read some actual history books and you might just discover just how inaccurate, nay wrong, your ravings are. Scientific discovery was LED BY THE CHURCH, the scientists of the times WERE MONKS AND PRIESTS and they had translations of those ''pagan'' books, read them and used them on a regular basis to teach from. No idea where you were educated but I'm fairly certain it wasn't in Europe. Or even the antipodes where we learned from a very early age that the church/many laymen in Mediaeval Europe were well aware that the earth wasn't flat. But they DID DISAGREE on it's shape, you are right there. They argued as to whether it was ROUND or a SPHERE or a GLOBE or an ORB, none of which are flat. Stop spreading lies and showing up your own ignorance, maybe instead look to your own education and how you can not only improve it but help others in your country to NOT be so uneducated and ignorant.

[@yesfredfredburger8008]

It's important to remember the difference between being uneducated rather than unintelligent

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Which is true, but kind of irrelevant to this topic. Anyone can just accept that the Earth is round on word alone if spoken by an authority, but to actually understand it and how it can be deduced, from simple experiments to how physics and gravity practically mandates that planets have to be spherical, is something that requires at least very basic education.

[@ghostsinthegraveyard5766]

Ironic

[@watcherit1311]

There is a difference between training (including work) and health as well. However low activity is still related with poor health. Education is also training.

[@isaacmcevoy5759]

@@SimuLord it's not obvious that christian schools tell students they can't become biologists and good ones for that matter

[@guestsuperguest403]

@@SimuLord not believing that creationism is a matter of choice. No offense

[@Locahaskatexu]

Your point about the medieval church suppressing science is probably someone who looked at Girolamo Savonarola and his bonfire of the vanities and concluded that all of the Medieval church must have been like that... Quite a few monks (Roger Bacon for one) were known to have not only been ardent philosophers, but also dabbled in things like Alchemy... Medieval Man was very empirically minded, taking most of their clues from the natural world. This is why I really get rather irked by the notion that if you gave a medieval Man a camera that they'd decry it as witchcraft most foul and hold you as a demon trying to seduce them into unholy things.... Far from it, I think they'd be far more likely to be very much intrigued by the camera, and quite likely knock it about a bit, trying to find out if they can see how it works, after asking you what it actually does.

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

wasn't savonarola a massive heretic anyways?

[@neonemptiness8152]

There are many examples of the church suppressing science that’s why people assume it. Galileo for example and how they reacted to the first dinosaur bones being discovered. Some Christians still think the earth is 6000 years old now.

[@mercianthane2503]

That's funny, since the Bible does not speak that humanity has 6000 years of history. So, if any Christian believes that humans were not around 5000 BC, well... that's kinda sad.

[@Lionimia]

@@mercianthane2503 Right, there's no specificity about the age of the Earth because it doesn't matter. But the most popular views are 6,000 years, 13,000 years, or 4.3 billion years. Since even from a secular standpoint human history really basically just began 10,000-12,000 years b.c. with the advent of farming, it doesn't really matter how long before that humans were around. All the important stuff came after farming was invented, basically.

[@viktorkukuruzovic5332]

@@neonemptiness8152 the story with galileo is not so simple as just church being against science, the guy called the pope or some cardinal a jackass

[@Zenith1987]

"Medieval people were stupid because you can't be religious AND scientific, now can you?" -- modern people

[@slayer0235]

Aye. It’s like saying the engineer who designed the car can’t exist because you happen to know how it works and fix it up.

[@pendragonshall]

@Brandon Quist I would say what God already knows not learned lol but I know what you meant

[@bjssjb9874]

why not? As a scientist you can neither prove that God exists nor refute it. So scientifically you can only say I don't really know. But with your personal experience you can experience him and believe in him. There are many scientists who believed in God and without them we would not be nearly as advanced with our knowledge.

[@fanofgodjimindiva2497]

No, you can't. Medieval people were troglodytes, superstitious idiots who are to blame for the whitering and stagnation of science during +1000 years. If those religions clowns had kept the power forever, we'd still be blaming bad climate on witches and burning people at the stake for being scientists

[@fanofgodjimindiva2497]

@Brandon Quist Don't talk about science. If there was a scientific project that could prove what's after death or the origin of life, religious chumps like you would be hell bent on stopping it. You don't want to learn the truth about nature since it could disprove your religious balderdash, you fear science, and that's why religion has fought tooth and nail against scientific progress since the dawn of time. Once science has answered all questions, your religious baloney will be no longer needed.

[@MrHitmancheg]

Chronological snobbery is a bane of historical accuracy.

[@Vickman_]

You deserve more Note-oriety for this

[@gamermanzeake]

So is also cancel culture and denying the past because it doesn't suit one's beliefs.

[@matthewhavemercyonmeimasin1500]

@@gamermanzeake the cancel culture or culture of death are gaining momentum ... EU and America and other nations are suffering from it ... it is no less than a prideful , unending debauchery and decadence generations of ppl ... we are in the 6th Stage of an Empire (Age of decadence) ..... the next would be the age of collapse and decline. So many empires since the dawn of civilization have risen and collapse and we are walking in the same path.

[@novelseeker4410]

@@matthewhavemercyonmeimasin1500 imagine calling the EU a nation...

[@Vickman_]

@@ryanwhitfield100 please tell me you’re joking about this

[@jamesm783]

"interdimensional space elves" _Shows a picture of Eldar Harlequins_ Seems about right.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

At least it weren't Dark Eldar, don't want those creepy bastards popping out the Webway anywhere near you.

[@aphato2770]

Interdimensional space elf CLOWNS. The clown part is essential

[@sjmcc13]

@@RipOffProductionsLLC Ya, I would be more worried about those space elves BDSM shall we say kinks, then them taking my info

[@lucascoval828]

Say NO to Space Elf Rapists.

[@ladywaffle2210]

If you want to be as on the nose as possible, find the Warp Spiders. ...wherever... or whenever... they are. *"Standing here is but a phaœsê of our existence."* Ah, there they are... aaand, there they go.

[@phillipgraf4856]

The book of Job also states "He inscribed a circle on the face of the waters." When sailing, the curvature of the water is seen no matter where you look. That can only happen if the Earth is spherical. It is, therefore, a misconception to say Christians were flat earthers.

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

Thank you!

[@phillipgraf4856]

@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 absolutely! Some people like to use the verse that says God sits enthroned above the circle of the Earth, but people like to argue it's a circular disk. Job is arguably the oldest book in the Bible and it talks about the curvature of the Earth being seen on the water. Much more specific and harder to refute.

[@slowburntm3584]

Job and the other old testament books aren't just Christian is it? Judaism, Islamic, and all other Abrahamic religions use, and were formed from the same stories I thought?

[@phillipgraf4856]

@@slowburntm3584 Judaism yes. Not quite with Islam...yes and no.

[@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy]

Do you also believe that all christians are incabable of killing other people because it's forbidden by the ten commandments? Just because some part of the bible seems to suggest that the earth is a globe doesn't mean christian actually believe that or believed it in the middle ages. Your whole argument is based on a logical fallacy.

[@The_Sleepiest_Socialist]

Oh yeah, the return of medieval misconceptions!

[@AxxLAfriku]

I STRONGLY DISAGREE! Being as famous as I am on KZbin, I know that it gets hard to read every comment I get. I try my best, but I am just so famous, that I can't do it much longer. Sorry, dear sie

[@Blox117]

misconception #1 Ye olde mother t'were not a hamster, for even God himself hath gave all other creatures a limit on procreation!

[@johnwolf2829]

Let's not make too much of the Flat Earth Society. Their membership totals about 7,500 people in the USA. I mean, that is still more than the combined memberships for the Nazi Party AND the KKK, but out of 330 million people, it hardly even counts as a rounding error. ..... and 99% of them are probably Trolls anyway.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@johnwolf2829 somehow they managed to gain more believers nowadays than back then. Same with the age misconceptions.

[@johnwolf2829]

@@SergioLeonardoCornejo "Back then" was about 2-3 years ago, I doubt there has been anhy radical change since then. Unless..... Trolls, pretending to be something they ain't? Yeah, maybe, and it does seem that Humanity is not sufficiently evolved for the net sometimes, doesn't' it?

[@nroke1684]

“My male vitality is fine, I got five children.” Underrated statement. 1:31

[@hulmhochberg8129]

shad flexing on us

[@destinytroll1374]

Chad-ivercity 😎

[@jordansorenson698]

A more accurate statement would have been "My male vitality WAS fine... I have five kids..."

[@XiaoFury]

The more kids you can pump out should prove that you got the touch and power that can last. This weeny generation can't handle the goods the older they get.

[@jakesolver4359]

casual male vitality brag lol

[@DarkKnight52365]

if the Earth was flat then cats would've knocked everything off by now

[@ElGreco15]

That is an amazing B-horror movie concept

[@LadyBirdieBop]

This is the best argument I have ever heard.

[@swinetastic]

Yeah. And our laser pointers would have guided them all towards the edges.

[@LenaFerrari]

@@swinetastic that would be an epic movie idea. Giant cat invasion, knocking everything from the face of earth. Our heroes create a secret weapon: a massive laser pointer

[@sirunklydunk8861]

People, we've been figuring out the earth was round since Ancient Greece. This idea should have died out centuries ago

[@dantheplanner]

Yeas

[@goldfishprime]

People believe all kinds of dumb things.

[@seamon9732]

Stupid ideas die hard.

[@thedukeofchutney468]

Heck the ancient Greeks figured out the circumference of the earth. Most societies have known the earth was round. I’d argue that people of the past possessed more intelligence (and dare I say more common sense) than modern people.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@thedukeofchutney468 i think that the main problem is that there are too many pathways to conspiracy theories and pseudo science and people who enable or actively support these beliefs which makes it easy for you to fall on them if you aren't careful Most are very cult like and have many strategies to make their supporters feel like they are always right by creating echo chambers and making them disregard every possible evidence that could prove them wrong (saying that the media/scientific community/government/etc is being controlled creating a logical loophole that makes all possible evidence wrong) until the conspiracy becomes part of their lifes and they start protecting it themselves because if you attack the conspiracy you are attacking a part of them The best you can do is not think about them like they are just a bunch of dumbasses but rather people like you that just fell into the wrong hole when they were too young to realize and now are way too deep to get out without help, mindsets like these are actually very useful and can be applied to many things

[@honorgod7110]

I like that Medieval scholars didn’t even have the internet but knew the stars were different in different places.

[@Tinker001]

They didn't have facebook & twitter to fight it out on.

[@daruween1398]

@@Tinker001 lmfao 💀

[@epyonm99]

And yet modern people have Internet and used it to marketing and sharing of flatearth theory rolf

[@Dead25m]

@@hahmann Internet is far more convenient to find facts and sources, people nowadays even learn how to cross-reference and be critical of sources in school. Can it be bad for the average dumdum? Sure. Is it bad in general? No, it helps to educate people more than it hurts, it's the users that are at fault when they learn something wrong, not the internet itself.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Otherwise, sailors wouldn't be able to navigate... But how many people need to learn star charts to navigate nowadays?

[@benthomason3307]

"The Medival Church went out of their way to learn as much about God's world as they could, since they figured this would allow them to learn more about God." Somebody send this video to Bill Maher. And Ken Ham.

[@benthomason3307]

@A Velsen Actually the church's problem with Galileo wasn't that they considered his ideas heretical, it was because at the time, get this, there _wasn't enough evidence_ for heliocentrism! In fact Galileo's main argument was "because I'm a scientist so I'm smarter than you." He was actually being such an asshole to the pope that any other head of stat would've executed him.

[@benthomason3307]

@A Velsen Accusations are not self-proving, dude. That's genuinely what was going on in the trial of Gallileo. Look it up. Also, the "final solution" was done by the nazis, not the catholic church. That's like saying that the Gulags were done by atheists just because Stalin called himself an atheist. Also, the Vatican only _officially_ recognized the nazis as righteous Christians so that the Pope could secretly use priests to save Jews. He he'd publicly called Hitler out then Hitler would've just banned Catholics from Germany.

[@johnemmert9012]

The sad thing is that this is taught in elementary and middle school because the teachers are education majors, and haven't had to learn much, if any history, and as a college TA, we have had to dismiss all sorts of myths like this at the US History 1 & 2 level for freshmen and sophomores.

[@jwenting]

they are teaching what the school books they're told to teach tell them to teach. Books that tend to be written not by subject experts but by "education experts" who themselves never learned anything else than what was in their school books.

[@docstockandbarrel]

Are you saying they’re like primary care doctors?

[@spacedinosaur8733]

Educational" refers to the process, not the object. Although, come to think of it, some of my teachers could easily have been replaced by a cheeseburger ― Terry Pratchett

[@peterpike]

Elementary school teachers don't have to be experts in any field. They just have to be able to read a book and repeat it. The problem is that people who learn in elementary school from teachers who have no clue what they're actually teaching then think they're experts in the subject later on.

[@thuglifebear5256]

toss that in the pile of "Christopher Columbus was the spawn of satan" and "The evil Western Colonizers gave smallpox blankets to the poor Native Americans 200 years before the discovery of germs"

[@harlequingnoll5]

Shout-out to the book "The Light Ages" talking about all the advances created during the "dark ages"

[@bobm185]

Agreed!! Am half way thru it. Super read!!

[@szogun1987]

Time traveler meeting medieval king: First of all: Earth is not flat Medieval king: I know

[@eds1942]

Time traveler pulls out phone for a translation and to ask directions to the nearest fast food outlet. King: “What fowl sorcery is this?! Guards arrest him and bring his talking box to me.”

[@_wanted_outlaw3007]

@@eds1942 time traveler: Earth is not the center of the universe: king wow that's really interesting I will make you a duke. time traveler: wait you're not going to execute me. King: nah your a time traveler that's amazing who would do a stupid thing like that, you are a gift from God. Time traveler: well I'm an atheist. King: arrest the heretic!

[@eds1942]

@@_wanted_outlaw3007 Time Traveller: “But I’m the Doctor…”

[@JarieSuicune]

@@eds1942 The Doctor wouldn't make such a mistake as to not know that they understood the roundness of the Earth. Especially since he was there.

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

@Purple Emerald King: I just got back from a crusade against the "Gnostics"! _GUARDS!!_

[@galenusv7831]

Infant mortality rate was high even after the medieval period. For example: Johann Sebastien Bach had 20 children, and only half of them survived to adulthood. And this was very common. High infant mortality and high perinatal mortality (mothers giving birth and dying of infections mostly) was a thing until Ignaz Semmelweis in the second half of the 19th century started to advice the medical community to use antiseptics. He was laughed at, and he even died in a psychiatric facility because of that.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

Also in Victorian England many doctors learning anatomy worked on dead bodies but didn't sterilize their hands properly before treating patients, thus carrying various diseases onto them.

[@tomtom7955]

@@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse the funny thing is the occult literature of the time and before many did include plants and substances now known to be natural antiseptics and were used in poultices and such.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Yeah. The idea of "average life expectancy" being around 30 or 40 years old was largely brought by taking into account the high infant mortality rates, but in reality, most adults could easily live past 60 years old and even more.

[@drfye]

I think it was only in the last 120 yrs (1900) that we started seeing a drastic drop in infant mortality in 🤔

[@lootownica]

In this hospital, doctors used to deliver a baby right after prosectorial research, WITHOUT WASHING THEIR HANDS. Mothers mortality in this place, was even higher than in medieval period.

[@lokenontherange]

"My male vitality is fine I've got five children." Best flex.

[@4philipp]

Never make that claim. Your wife may tell a different story

[@goblez5900]

Mormon moment

[@ianhelyar6383]

Such a bloke thing .. I'd ascribe his 5 kids to his wife's vitality.

[@Undomaranel]

@@ianhelyar6383 Come on everyone. It's a team effort. It's just as much a flex for him as for his wife, but his is male vitality and hers is female vitality.

[@joelsims5433]

Fertility 150%

[@charlesajones77]

The Ancient Greeks knew that the world was a sphere. They even calculated its circumference to an astonishingly accurate degree, considering what they had to work with.

[@4philipp]

Rest assured, most people can’t event figure out how many ounces are in a quart.

[@Lasso2003]

It really amazing, I think one the only reasons it wasn’t perfect was the math used to find the circumference of a sphere assumes that it’s perfectly round, but in case of the earth is not.

[@selfloathinggameing]

I really like how you brought up Thomas Aquinas, since he's actually a Catholic saint

[@starguardlux2874]

And a Doctor of the Church. He is so influential, there is a whole branch of Catholic philosophers called "Thomists".

[@TheDarklugia123]

he is one of the greastest philosophers of all time. There still modern philosophers who embrace Thomism like Alasdair MacIntyre

[@rafaelbalsan4512]

And one of the most highly revered. The works of Saint Aquinas are held nearly on the same regard as Holy Scripture itself.

[@mnorth1351]

Not only was Thomas Aquinas about as educated as anyone could be in in that time (he was even getting lots of texts of Aristotle and other Greek and Islamic philosophers and physicits in from the East), he was also just straight up a big-brained genius. He would dictate like 5 different works at a time, to 5 different scribes, alternating between them since he spoke and thought faster than they could write - kind of like how a Chess grandmaster can play 10 games of chess at the same time. He was really one of the top smartest people in history.

[@yourmum69_420]

@@mnorth1351 no, he was dumb and he's overrated

[@tensae4725]

Halo Ring World would be epic.

[@WillofDD]

If you ignore the zombie parasites.

[@Soapy-chan_old]

@@WillofDD parasites shmarasites

[@Soapy-chan_old]

Did you see the Game Theory video on how they work? Really interesting stuff.

[@tensae4725]

@@Soapy-chan_old no, I’m gonna watch that now. Thanks mate.

[@Soapy-chan_old]

@@tensae4725 Have fun :)

[@emills6525]

Intelligence through our history hasn't increased, just our technology has.

[@ashtongiertz8728]

If anything, we got dumber because we're relying more and more on technology to do the work for us. Why learn complex math formulas when there's an online calculator for just about every math formula in existence?

[@farrex0]

Not only technology, there is also the fact of us benefiting from cumulative knowledge. For example, I do not think any of us here would have been intelligent enough to to come up with Einstein's relativity theory. Yet we know about it, because Einstein already made that discovery for us. So in terms of processing power and brain potential, I do think we are the same. But we know more than people of the past, the same way people on the future will know more than us, thanks to cumulative knowledge.

[@wind-upboy939]

@@farrex0 Well, that was always the case. Newton said, he could make his discoveries, because he stood on the shoulders of giants. Many discoveries became common knnowledge or could at least be read in books. Based on that knowledge new ideas could be developed. Thank god, we don't have to reinvent genius discoveries again and again or we would still struggle with basic concepts like is is a good idea to use fire.

[@draochvar9646]

"Interdimensional Space Elves" Shows Eldar. Yea, that's entirely appropriate.

[@heavystalin2419]

Filthy disgusting apprehensive xenos

[@garvielloken8494]

I mean, they are the space elves, they were even called like that in first editions

[@sjmcc13]

@asdrubale bisanzio To be fair other then engaging in certain heresies, which Papa Smurf might or might not be engaging in with that Death affiliated Space Elf chick, is there much to like about them?

[@lucascoval828]

It's pronounced Space Elf Rapists.

[@ladywaffle2210]

@@lucascoval828 That's pronounced Drukhari

[@Sturdy_Penguin]

I'm pretty sure The Metatron is going to challenge you to a duel after that impression of an Italian.

[@sholahverassa8582]

..or make a dedicated video on how the Aussies lost in wars with birds.

[@samuelphillips7391]

That was an incredible Alex Jones impression

[@President_Starscream]

"I'll eat my neighbors, don't think I won't."

[@Menaceblue3]

Now Shad should do a Joe Rogan impression.... 🤣

[@handsomebear.]

Absolutely excellent.

[@sillypuppy5940]

regarding life expectancy, it was worse at points during Victorian times than in certain medieval periods. This was because there were epidemics in crowded and insanitary cities. Many don't realize how quickly cities grew in Europe during the 19th century: eg London went from 1 million to over 5 million.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

the 4 best things to happen to london. -it burnt down -the plague rolled through -it burnt down again -the germans bombed it.

[@konstellashon1364]

I've been watching PBS series "How the Victorians Built England." They talk about it in an episode about the construction of sewers.

[@4philipp]

Rome went from a population of over 1 million down to 50,000 due to poor sanitary conditions from lousy city planners. These things come in waves.

[@Nephanor]

Bonus points for putting Zuckerberg as a lizard person in the ad and the Alex Jones memes. Based AF.

[@RyuuKageDesu]

Sometimes I feel like we are in a second dark age. Not one defined by our technology, but one defined by our ideological stupidity.

[@RyuuKageDesu]

@asdrubale bisanzio And, when they get together, their stupidity seems to multply.

[@brianp6859]

The moral vacancy of society is what has brought us to a new dark age. Swimming in knowledge and resources yet society is collapsing at its core. When man no longer feels bad about cheating or robbing his neighbour we see the end result quite clearly today. Also the promotion of racism through “anti racism” drives division and violence and the forming of groups inside of nations. “No kingdom divided against itself can stand” -Jesus Christ

[@Flatter_Sine]

@@brianp6859 true true!

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@asdrubale bisanzio It's less tribalism and the inherent stupidity of people more than it is a compulsive need to question everything, while failing to question the notions that replace the "lies". Quacks and conspiracy wackos for example, aren't stupid people. They question the narratives and form their own hypotheses (for the most part) even if they turn to be wrong. If things we passed of as "true" turn to be false... What else could be false? And if things we believed to be lies turn to be true... What else could be true? If you question if so and so is true or false, the logical thing is to look up all the records available, try to understand the science and in the end, form your own conclusions... But they skip that part and go directly to form their own hypotheses, pass them off as true, and refuse to see the evidence that says otherwise. That is where tribalism and group mentality take over... Asshole people can take advantage in this stage, for example, selling fake "cures" to diseases like cancer and AIDS, or forming their own batshit insane cults. These people end up believing they are intellectual, free-thinking skeptics, when they are the zealous fanatics of yet another cult. I recommend this book called "Combating cult mind control" by Steven Hassan. It's a good read.

[@swinetastic]

@@brianp6859 Very Well Said !

[@yellowfellow7246]

No one: Absolutely no one: Shadex Jones: THEY'RE MAKING THE MACHICOLATIONS GAY WITH THE CHEMICALS IN THE MOAT WATER!!

[@benthomason3307]

Then he goes on for 15 minutes about this awesome super male vitality miasma-deflecting tonic, which he just so happens to be selling.

[@willparry530]

MAAAACHICOLAAAAATIOOOOONSSSSSS!

[@loke6664]

You know, if think getting gay would be the least of your worries if you drank moat water. Most castles actually didn't even have water in their moats though, it was really often just a deep ditch to make the walls more effective. The castles who had moats tended to either use a natural river or to have a dug ditch filled with still standing, smelly water and since lazy people often empty trash where no one will see it your chances of surviving a drink from that without antibiotics would likely be slim to nun. But castle moats as we see them in movies were rare, Shad talks about that in one of his castle vids (don't ask me to find it though, he has made a few since the only thing Shad loves more then castles is swords (and possibly long bows).

[@kagakai7729]

@@benthomason3307 to be fair, that last part is period-appropriate given medieval medicine.

[@benthomason3307]

@@kagakai7729 I know that science genuinely thought disease was caused by bad smells of the day, but did they think you could _deflect_ them with a _tonic?_

[@cyborgbob1017]

“People in the dark ages were all flat earthers!” That one guy who calculated the circumference of the earth by observing the distance between 2 cities:

[@EGeorgev]

That happened in Antiquity, not the Middle Ages.

[@me67galaxylife]

@EGeorgev Yes that was what was used during the Middle Ages

[@psycomutt]

The Greeks figured out the earth was round (and guessed the size quite accurately) using basic math a couple thousand years ago, yet here we are today...

[@WolfgangDoW]

They didn't "guess" anything, they used maths and trigonometry to calculate the size of the Earth and how far away the sun is too. And scarily accurately too

[@4philipp]

Yup, today kids and adults still struggle with basics, like how to make a personal budget, reign in credit card spending, or just knowing how much change you should be getting back. Will historians look back at us and just shake their heads in disbelief?

[@Andrew-zq3ip]

@@4philipp no, because in the future they will be even dumber than we are now. I guarantee you that in 50 years, their will be people who think the past is a conspiracy and that reality is only a couple decades old.

[@xxkildarxx]

@@4philipp I mean its estimated that fewer than a third of Greeks were literate so we have that going for us in the modern area. We also figured out how to get to the moon and send rovers and satellites to other planets. So you know some of those things might have been a bit out of their reach. On the plus side we also managed to end slavery for the most part. At least the outright legal "ownership" of other humans.

[@GuitarsRockForever]

Human has been getting dumber and dumber, starting about 50 years ago.

[@ornu01]

People figured out geometry thousands of years ago because basic observation skills, excess resources, and boredom. As for the death rate, I was always told that the infant mortality rate really threw off the actual numbers.

[@trashbeast]

Yeah, if you lived past 20 you probably would live to a decent age.

[@alehaim]

Yup, the fact that like half of all children died before reaching the age of five caused the average age to go down. Take away the child deaths and the average age of death would be more lik 60-70

[@darreideamos2309]

Yes that's the thing. If you survived childhood you lived a pretty long life. But child mortality was very very high

[@phantomkitsunezero]

There's a few reasons. Simple infections for example, especially if you factor in broken bones. Sanitation is another big one. Without simple access to the plurality of simple medication we have now (Aspirin, Penicillin, and a number of other more specialized ones) we would see alot of dead kids. That gets more complicated when you add in illness. Even Childbirth had death as being far more common before modern medicine improved those odds.

[@neodym5809]

Child birth mortality was extremely high, too. The average life expectancy was lower for women most of history, till the start of modern medicine (wash your hands!)

[@dash4800]

Ancient person: observes gravity Modern person: if the earth is round why don't we fall off the bottom.

[@eros9093]

I actually have heard that argument and that makes me sad.

[@necrosteel5013]

For anyone who doesn't know that answer, remove the rocks under your feet and wait to see where you end up

[@shawnparshall1165]

To be fair several ancient people groups considered it impossible to stand on the other side of the earth, they believed that a person would have to hold on to the earth to keep from falling off of it

[@disrespectthemwomensubjuga5471]

@@shawnparshall1165 lmfao that's hilarious. I can just imagine bunch of people dangling from the South pole holding onto there dear lives.

[@alanjones4381]

Could there be some misconnect made with naval people sailing of the edge of the world (going off existing maps) being taken literally as the world having an edge?

[@MrAnihillator]

I think it's fair to say Alex Jones has achieved mimetic apotheosis.

[@willparry530]

Oh, that happened long ago.

[@goblez5900]

Even though he's right... a lot

[@willparry530]

@@goblez5900 not for how many things he's spouted off. It's more akin to a broken clock being right twice a day.

[@Emielio1]

No, he's not. He's factually incorrect most of the time, and his sources are utter bullfeces. Pseudoscientific nonsense. I should know, I had to read tons of their articles and watch tons of videos when I was writing my thesis on how conspiracy theorists construct danger, using securitisation theory to analyse their ideologies.

[@thebigenchilada678]

@@Emielio1 lol what a shit thesis.

[@Amonimus]

I'd say ancient people weren't either, as some made nearly accurate approximation of Earth's radius. See Eratosthenes.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

They calculated it's spherical shape short of a few km by measuring the shadows cast by eclipses.

[@Fuzzycat16]

@@blacktigerpaw1 pretty insane.

[@martindouge1947]

It's funny, the Classical period is considered more enlightened than the Medieval age because Renaissance dug back and romanticised the ages of classical Rome and Greece. I think this idea is still strong in the mind of a lot of people.

[@sjmcc13]

@@blacktigerpaw1 I thought it was the sun at noon at various points in the world, they still got it very close though.

[@Jayako12]

@@sjmcc13 There was one of the considered most important arguments which was about that: "Why don't Egyptian obelisks in Summer cause shadows at midday, but in Athens we have shadows at the same time?"

[@saldiven2009]

The Venerable Bede; his name is pronounced like "bead." When I was studying Medieval English Literature, we had to read some of his works.

[@oleghrozman4172]

Thank you for writing his name.

[@BigOugh]

Medieval Peasant: The earth is round. Time Traveller: What? What technology do you have to deduce such a high standard scientific discovery that only educated futureman such as I could find out??? Medieval Peasant: *Points at moon.*

[@DailyCorvid]

What technology? Sundials. Not exactly space age they are as old as human civilisation itself, the Accadians had them 5000 years ago and they never thought the world was flat ever.

[@ramigilneas9274]

Time Traveller: How did you manage to calculate the circumference of earth in 200BC? Eratosthenes: Points at the shadows of two sticks.

[@BigOugh]

@@ramigilneas9274 The joke is that the upmost simple observation can disprove such an erroneous claim :)

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@BigOugh The real joke is that there seems to be a growing number of people today who reject such simple observations that have been known for millennia and prefer to believe in convoluted conspiracy theories. I am in a QAnon Telegram group just for entertainment. The hollow earth is definitely more popular there than the flat earth.😂

[@Fuzzycat16]

@@ramigilneas9274 Yep. Hollow earth has been coming back in force.

[@lennynull-funf-zehn5416]

Yet another thing where I can say to my history teacher: "See, I told you!"

[@beleata74]

@asdrubale bisanzio When something has been repeated to you for 35 years or so it sometimes becomes a bit hard to believe it is false, especially if you yourself have also spread the lie.

[@lennynull-funf-zehn5416]

@asdrubale bisanzio Woke People: "sExIsT"

[@erikbjelke4411]

I still remember in grade school a teacher talking about Columbus proving the Earth was round. I had to bring up a little fact I learned from my dad, that the Greeks had actually not only figured out the Earth was round, but made pretty accurate measurements of its size just based on observation and math. The teacher had absolutely no response and just moved on with the pop culture history lesson.

[@Thomas.Wright]

Your dad was a smart man, not only to know the fact, but also to prepare his son to respond to the myth. It's funny to me when people say Columbus proved the earth was round. EVEN IF the prevailing belief was that it was flat, Columbus didn't actually circumnavigate the earth. It only made it about half way, not even quite that.

[@DH-xw6jp]

Shad Jones isn't real, he cant hurt you. Alexversity: o rly?

[@MichaelClark-bd2sw]

Outwardly: “Shad you’re promoting cultural stereotypes about Americans” Inside: “I freaking love apple pie and guns!!”

[@MichaelClark-bd2sw]

Amurica!

[@pallbunun7594]

I do love guns

[@greatestcait]

Let’s be real here, apple pie and guns are awesome. Every country should have them.

[@shorewall]

@@greatestcait I love how some people talk about American Empire, when I'm over here like, I wish everyone could have free speech and the right to bear arms. :D

[@durandol]

Appuru pai! *brrrrt*

[@BeaLated]

Is there a stereotype that we Americans like apple pie? Because it’s absolutely fucking correct! Delicious

[@onealone-jt8oi]

Yup, it's also rumoured you like your moms and something called "baseball", lol.

[@KosherPorky]

@@burner27 Me. Apple pie should be considered a human rights violation

[@Scortch-lo3xy]

I am American and i can confirm.

[@paultiki9968]

@@KosherPorky those who do not like apple pie should not be trusted and possibly suspected of witchcraft

[@KosherPorky]

@@paultiki9968 ..I'm, uh, totally not involved in witchcraft... I mean, no comment.

[@thassilokilian905]

So, what I'm getting from this video: People will always be and were people. The only things that change are technologies, science and trends.

[@hebercluff1665]

Yes, and hating past generations of people just because they had different culture and ideals is plain stupid

[@lubbertdas3797]

The greyhair also comes from stress, like when having to debunk archery myths.

[@katnerd6712]

I'm always amused when I find somebody who is unaware that the Big Bang Theory was conceived by a Catholic priest and that the Catholic church doesn't object to it. The scientific theory, not the crappy TV show you Plebs :P

[@kristianferencik8685]

Yes and people forget that it is a theory. It's a model that is currently being used simply due to the fact that it would be impossible to prove.

[@katnerd6712]

@@kristianferencik8685 That has nothing to do with my point.

[@Jaws1375]

Yuuup, science and faith really aren't at odds, unlike far too many folks love to claim.

[@tohaason]

The Vatican even has an astronomical observatory near the Pope's summer residence. And the Jesuits actively research a large number of scientific branches and were involved in the invention of many of the tools used for scientific observations.

[@dawoifee]

The Globus cruciger also represents the earth as a orb. A depiction many people know, sadly it gets ignored so often as evidence people in medieval era knew stuff.

[@fredbloggs5902]

The Ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round, they even calculated its size within 5% of the correct value.

[@nanakojo]

You mean a few of the Ancient Greeks believed the Earth was round. While the majority held it was flat.

[@fredbloggs5902]

@@nanakojo It doesn’t work like that.

[@MiguelDS5547]

@@nanakojo not true, most ancient greeks knew the Earth was round. Ancient greek scholars were held at hight prestige and regard, once they discover something they would reveal their findings at schools and public buildings, so it would spread quickly and these things would become common knowledge throughout generations.

[@brianp6859]

@@nanakojo pretty sure the giant statue of Atlas holding a GLOBE tipped off the average non mathematician as well back then.

[@Jayako12]

@@fredbloggs5902 well yes, because the term "Ancient Greeks" spans for quite some centuries.

[@simonkennedy6116]

The Earth being round is in the Bible. There's a ton of misconceptions about what's in there

[@Maverick8t88]

Yep. Isaiah 40:22 being a prime example. The word often translated Circle also means sphere in Hebrew. And that was written about 800 years before Christ. There’s a complete copy of Isaiah that was found with the Dead Sea scrolls from 2-300 years before Christ.

[@xxlCortez]

@@Maverick8t88 Convenient. When it says "circle" aka flat earth, it also means round. So if the bible says round it's rounds, if it says circle, it's also round. The win-win interpretation.

[@Maverick8t88]

@@xxlCortez if you knew anything about how translation from another language works, you’d see just how laughable your comment actually is. Words don’t have a “this means this every time” direct correlation. Think about the word sphere in the English language. Google translate will tell you it’s Esfera in Spanish, but that word can also mean field, realm, dial, ball, or globe. All of which are slightly different. The context has to be understood to understand what is being said. The context of Isaiah 40:22 shows that A) poetic language is being used, not scientific B) there is no reason to assume flat earth is being promoted unless one simply wants the Bible to be proven wrong. In which case their testimony is biased and unreliable. The Bible is not a scientific textbook and doesn’t claim to be. But where it touches on scientific matters it is accurate to such a high degree that it bears consideration. A consideration of the entire body of scripture shows that Ancient Israel not only believed in a round earth hundreds of years before Archimedes proved it mathematically, they also had an understanding of the water cycle that went against the thinking of the time. Do objective research, don’t just repeat what people tell you. If you’ve only studied why you shouldn’t trust the Bible, you’re only half done. It’s much harder to find objective research because it’s popular to try to poke holes and only do surface reading. People are willing to pay highly for something to discredit the Bible, but the Bible always wins in the end. Like when they used to say Nineveh never existed…until they found it. Or when they said the Persians never had Plaster walls like is described in Daniel…until they found evidence they did. Or when they said that Jericho could never have fallen flat like described in Joshua…until they found evidence it did. Or when they said Pontius Pilate never existed…until they found an inscription bearing his name and confirming he was governor of Judea in the second quarter of the First Century CE. The list goes on and on. Time and again the critics have stood up to say the Bible was inaccurate and were forced to sit back down by facts. The fact is that well over 50 individuals mentioned in the Bible have been confirmed archeologically, but you never hear that because it’s popular to try to discredit it. The fact is that there are over 75,000 different manuscripts of the Bible, many from very ancient times, that can be compared and cross referenced and any minor flaws that may have crept in have been excised. The fact is that comparing some of those manuscripts separated by well over a thousand years have proven that the Bible has not been changed, that most errors were minor misspellings. The fact is that there are copies of some of the texts that are dated to within a decade or two of the original writings. The fact is that there is more reason to trust the Bible than discredit it, but there’s no money in promoting trust. But hey, it’s your right to believe whatever you want to believe.

[@SirCrabthe1st]

@@Maverick8t88 where'd you get your scholarship, Reddit?

[@Maverick8t88]

@@SirCrabthe1st Bible Scholarship is a hobby of mine. Why?

[@MythosTheSophist]

The average peasant could not care less about the size of the world. The duchy, kingdom, empire etc they lived in was their entire world as far as they were concerned. The farmer is too preoccupied with tending to it to ponder its shape.

[@sorrowandsufferin924]

I mean the average factory worker in the industrialization worked longer hours than the average farmer did in medieval or ancient times, but sure whatever. There's only so much you can do in a day to tend to your crops, especially given that all the larger farms were worked on by a dozen or more people at the same time (that is in time of harvest). Moreover, most people did their farming in their garden, given that lawns only emerged in the 18th century as a sign of richness in France: "Oh, look; I am so rich, I can use part of my land to not do anything". In winter, there's not much you can do as a farmer at all. But even in spring and summer, once you had watered the crops and maybe taken out the bad ones, there's not much left to do beside sit and watch the wheat grow. Farming is hard work, and there's a lot to do in the overall sense - but it doesn't mean you rise at dawn, work all day, and settle in at dusk. In order for your crops to keep you that busy, you would need much more land than most people had. EDIT: There are people today who grow their own food in their garden AND balance a full-time job at the same time. Should go a long way to show that, if you tend to your plants properly, they mostly grow themselves. They're plants, not idiots.

[@DailyCorvid]

What does it matter what shape it is? If it were a banana shape we STILL would just see flat ground with our eyes. IT IS OBSERVABLY FLAT :) From ground level from a height of 5ft 10in (eye level for me). That is useful to know so you can figure out how to walk. Irrelevent arguments about the Earths shape are pointless. Plus SUNDIALS ;)

[@sorrowandsufferin924]

@@DailyCorvid But ships in the distance though. That's how the Ancient Greeks figured it out. If you stand at the coast, and you see not but water till the horizon, the first you see of a ship is the top of the mast; not the front of the ship, the part closest to you, but its highest point. Because it's the only thing poking over the bowel.

[@DailyCorvid]

@@sorrowandsufferin924 Sundials mate, anybody can make one with zero cost, you don't need a shipyard and thousands of gold coins ;) So even peasants can see!!

[@uberneanderthal]

most farm work is menial labor and doesn't require much mental concentration. so it's very likely most farmers would be asking a lot of the same existential questions we do, if only to pass the time while weeding the garden.

[@dunhammcvicker6605]

My brother, looking at the Pacific ocean, said how the people from the medieval era were stupid because you can see the curve, and that struck conversation with our uncle and we had this talk

[@astrorick2910]

You can't see the curve from the ground.

[@antoinelambert938]

My favorite medieval description is from Hildegarde de bingen: Earth is as an egg covered in water.

[@MajorTomFisher]

I'd really like to see a "Shad's Medieval History" series NGL, it'd be cool to see misconceptions and oversimplifications of specific events and times dispelled and real history clarified

[@pelao824]

Same. But if you like a book that does the same, Regine Pernoud's books on the middle ages are a classic on the matter. Specially "Those Terribe Middle Ages".

[@neonspark7178]

People in 2800: "Americans around the year 2000 all had diabetes and blamed alien abductions for all their problems."

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

I think you mean "Europeans in 2016" not people in 2800.

[@Soapy-chan_old]

this isn't true?

[@Cairo40000]

Yeah the stereotypes used to annoy me but now I just don't really care anymore

[@user-ii5im7zm2t]

Eh, nah, alien abductions aren't what everything is being blamed on in America.

[@Dead25m]

​@@user-ii5im7zm2t woooosh

[@Bryzerse]

That accent bit was actually really funny, I'm glad I didn't skip the ad

[@braunbekmaxim5821]

Better title for this video: "A man in his thirties debunks medieval misconceptions while wearing a brigandine". You are obviously not a true historian if you don't wear a brigandine.

[@lairdcummings9092]

Need a codpiece, or you're just a dilettante.

[@Mr10203040]

That impression just sold me!

[@robertgronewold3326]

And the main reason they never found the Americas until the 1400's was because they knew the earth was round, had calculated it's rough circumference, and surmised that the sea to the west of Europe and the east of Asia was the same body of water, and thus impossible to cross without dying along the way. Columbus was literally a doofus who did his own bad math and thought that the world was a good third smaller than it actually is. The only reason he didn't die on his voyage was sheer dumb luck.

[@jj48]

That's why, upon landing in the Americas, he thought he had reached the Indies.

[@benthomason3307]

I wonder how long it would've taken Europe to discover the Americas if those in power had ignored Columbus like he deserved to be.

[@robertgronewold3326]

@@benthomason3307 Honesty, probably within that century, just given how ships were. It likely would have been some British or Norwegian vessel just traveling the islands up near Greenland. But I think that the Americas would have been better off if the Spanish hadn't been the first there.

[@masenformen]

The problem was that every european map of the time thought Asia was way bigger than it actually is. Columbus used the same map other sailors did, and actually sailed to the right latitude ("right" being "where cartographers thought Japan was at the time"). They never tried sailing that way before for the lack of economic reasons for doing so in, specially in uncharted waters

[@robertgronewold3326]

@@masenformen As I said, they thought it was a huge ocean, bigger than the Pacific. They knew how fast a ship could travel, and how much food it could hold. They reasonably surmised, with the information they had at hand, that they would starve before ever reaching Asia.

[@MegaKnight2012]

Those globes that kings held, the ones the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch is based off, those globes represented, well, the globe. If Medieval people were flat-earthers, it would've been a disc

[@danshakuimo]

Explosive frisbee

[@siddharthnandi3995]

FE 'ers will tell you it was all faked.

[@flashpromo15]

@@siddharthnandi3995 yup l0l they be like the elites were around during that time.

[@mangosgottatango3573]

"I *do* have gray hair, but that's a sign of wisdom not age" My mom would agree

[@BennyLlama39]

Following that logic, I must be a friggin' genius compared to my parents; I've got more gray hair than *both* of them. : )

[@RoninCatholic]

I've had gray hair since I was 14. I'm that guy who rolled an 18 on Wis doing 3d6 in order for my character sheet.

[@Tinker001]

My hair is very nearly all white... I must be a wizard.

[@tomtom7955]

@@RoninCatholic I skipped gray hairs, straight to white at about the same age, not my whole head just random hairs and they are much more wiry and coarse like you would have in a beard. I don't think I'm particularly wise, but I had many teachers in grade school tell me I was an "Old Soul" whatever that suppose to mean.

[@mathewritchie]

The dark ones are just passing through the grey ones are here to stay.

[@bale7297]

My therapist: "American Shad isnt real, he cant hurt you." American Shad: 2:20

[@BobHutton]

From The Goon Show episode "Wings Over Dagenham". Eccles: I just saw the Earth through the clouds. Intellectual: Did it look round? Eccles: Yeah, but I don't think it saw me.

[@stephenrice2063]

Culture! Also: Shut up, Eccles!

[@logicrules5793]

When you asked "Is this a good American accent" that's the only time it was

[@mds_main]

Amazing video that needs more views. I also like that finally somebody else is talking about the Church related misconceptions. I would love a dedicated video about that too.

[@DrowFighterMage]

That explains "urbi et orbi" with 'orbi' meaning 'world' and sounding like 'orb' which is spherical.

[@bigguy7353]

It's the reverse, since Latin came first, but I understand your point.

[@johnweatherman5685]

An interesting thing about the "center of the universe" observation, Einstein proved this was true. All motion is relative so ANY point can be said to be the "center". The math is certainly easier when plotting celestial motion if you choose things like supermassive black holes as more "center" than Earth, but that doesn't change the fact that the Earth is as much the center of the universe as any other point.

[@Kneb587]

Except the _center_ of any thing is at a point that is in the middle of all distances from the edge. So Earth _can't_ be the center of the universe because we aren't at equidistant points in relation to the edges of the universe that we know of... Well, I suppose it _can_, but only if we later learn that we actually are at equidistant points from the edges of the universe. But currently, no.

[@bigguy7353]

Depends on if the universe is infinite or not. Something with known dimensions only has one center.

[@Kneb587]

@@bigguy7353 Well, so far the scientific community does theorize that the universe is not actually infinite, or at least the part of the universe that came from the big bang, which is all we can observe, and does indeed have an "edge" though it's obviously a bit fuzzy where it is to the exact meter, though that edge is apparently still expanding. The most outright confusing thing about the universe for me is that the galaxy clusters outside of our own are apparently _accelerating_ away from each other, that shouldn't be happening without some additional energy acting on them to make them go faster, but all the energy should already be there so... it's confusing.

[@nathancollins1715]

@@Kneb587 Earth is at the center of the known universe by definition. We can only see so far in any direction because light takes time to reach us, and the edge of what we can see is light that's taken the entire age of the universe to reach us. Making the known universe a sphere centered on Earth.

[@ravensblade]

@@Kneb587 Not true. Even if we limit to just geometry there are for example several centres of triangle depending on method. And triangles are simple, actually having definitive borders. Not like universes. And what do you even mean by edge? If we go with observable universe, with is limited by speed of light (and age of universe and speed of expansion) then it's sphere with centre in earth (simply because it's the point the observation are made from) And not going for universe, but to this date there are several locations for geographical centre (midpoint) of Europe. And outside of that there is for example centre of mass with is often more important then geometric centre in physic calculation.

[@MSOGameShow]

>"Medieval people were just like this" >Goes into how they used basic observation to determine the Earth was round, unlike Flat Earthers. Wrong. They weren't "just like us" because clearly they were a hell of a lot smarter.

[@caralho5237]

they were just as stupid as us as always there's a stupid majority and a minority of smart people who figure things out for the majority

[@SkippertheBart]

I think it's more that the internet gave all the village idiots a wide-open platform to congregate and talk.

[@MSOGameShow]

@@SkippertheBart Pfft yeah, agreed, that makes sense.

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

It's the stupid people dragging the curve down.

[@JarieSuicune]

Saying that because we have a few vocal idiots doesn't make the population less smart. "Smartness" is a notion used to put down/build up people at a person's whim regardless of how "smart" they really are. There are always some who choose foolishness over learning and understanding, in EVERY period. The difference is that we have billions more people than there were during... any given other time period. So even a 0.000001% of the current population is still a huge number!

[@jjaros964]

"if you need something like that, my male vitality is fine, I've got 5 children." I literally laughed out loud. Don't ever change Shad.

[@johannesclips1685]

I remember i saw a guy critiqing kindom come deliverance for having old people, thats cringe

[@kevadu]

Wow, seriously?

[@lucascoval828]

The game's lack of trans and Vietnamese people was problematic.

[@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874]

BREAKING NEWS: Shad has an impressive Alex Jones impersonation.

[@sevenproxies4255]

"Homer, your theory of a donut shaped universe is quite intriguing. I may have to steal it." -Stephen Hawking, The Simpsons

[@brianp6859]

Saw an article on FB with physicists trying to claim this lol. Simpsons yet again suspiciously ahead of its time, or are scientists just getting lazy and dumber and getting the inspiration from the simpsons? Is simpsons prophetic or self fulfilling prophecy?

[@Dead25m]

@@brianp6859 Ah, you saw an article on Facebook which means it's true! Maybe stay off Facebook and you won't be subjected to stupidity

[@thanqualthehighseer]

Flat Earthers " Medieval people were less intelligent, Twitter told me! " * Facepalms *

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Flat Earthers would not even be a thing if their ideas would not spread around by people who want to prove how smart they are in comparison.

[@adrianwebster6923]

It wouldn't surprise me if alot of them also didn't believe the middle ages existed, probably believing in Fomenko's nonsense or some other psuedo history tripe.

[@benthomason3307]

@@adrianwebster6923 Dude, you have no idea. Some of them claim that Moonlight chills things it touches. These guys are *A S A N I N E .*

[@benandthebook8404]

Thanks for helping to dispel this one, Shad! When the flat earth comes up in conversation, I always go to Dante's Divine Comedy. In that work, Dante (died AD 1321) enters hell from Italy and emerges at Mt. Purgatory on the opposite side of the globe (i.e. in what we now call the southern Pacific). The text explicitly describes him traveling through the middle of a globe.

[@jameshart2622]

And time zones.

[@magnustherad1516]

Thomas Aquinas (Ahk-why-ness) was one of the smartest people ever born period- I’d encourage you to read up on him more Shad if you’re interested in medieval philosophy and logic (that in many ways still holds up today!) :)

[@ximbralaie5758]

Indeed. Thomism is one of the most sofisticated branches or Aristothelical philosophy. Mainly Ontology.

[@shadfacts6465]

Shad Fact: The Hulk clapped right in Shad's face. Shad back handed him in the face, we believe he will return to Earth in about 8 years... Assuming he did not reach solar escape velocity

[@WaitingForAMistspren]

Oh, so that's how Hulk ended up on Sakaar. 😁

[@Blox117]

clapped his cheeks?

[@nikkibrowning4546]

@@WaitingForAMistspren that's the MCU explanation, yes.

[@andregon4366]

As always, your comment is the first thing I look for in the comments section.

[@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse]

He was probably green with envy over Shads popularity.

[@Rajaat99]

"We like apple pie and guns. America!" Seems about right.

[@riproar11]

Apples were brought to North America by European colonists.

[@jj48]

Ok, guns I'm on board with, but am I less of an American if my preference is for DUTCH apple pie?

[@riproar11]

@@jj48 Same here. I like apple strudel and torte too.

[@Rajaat99]

@@riproar11 America! 🇺🇸

[@Rajaat99]

@@jj48 America! 🇺🇸

[@gordonbarnes7005]

One time I heard a misconception, and it sounds _ridiculous_ just hearing it, but it was that cheese was so expensive that kings could only afford a tiny bit. Yeah... I have no clue where that idea even came from.

[@JayVal90]

Maybe it was a certain kind of cheese…?

[@gordonbarnes7005]

@@JayVal90 It's possible, but I don't know.

[@viperstriker4728]

Maybe someone was insulting the king saying he couldn't even afford cheese, then someone didn't get the joke and assumed the cheese was that expensive.

[@crimsonflame6881]

In some mythology they believe that the Earth was a Turtle's Back The World Turtle makes way more sense than the Flat Earth

[@stephengray1344]

All hail the great A'Tuin (and also the four elephants).

[@inkblotCrisis]

Turtles all the way down.

[@autobotskyflame6287]

"stop interdimensional space elves..." Me: Slowly hides my new Stellaris race

[@slightlybetterthanaveragej6777]

The Greeks sculpted Atlas with a globe on his back. Heroditus says that there was a persecution of a person who said that the sun was a ball of fire. The ancients, in so many ways, were smarter than modern 🇺🇸 high school grads.

[@Robbedem]

not the ancients in general. The smart ancients were smarter than the average person at the time and they would still be smarter than the average person of this time.

[@bryce4228]

A rock is smarter than the average high school grad. A polished rock is smarter than than the average college grad.

[@jen204]

Atlas was holding up the globe of sky, not the Earth.

[@mylifeisacomplexpastiche7901]

Not just American high school grads. C’mon man.

[@jerotoro2021]

Lol what a narrow sliver of the population to compare them to.

[@Belial1125]

I like how his American shows us having a head swagger.

[@VitaminDealer]

What

[@mistingwolf]

This is so fascinating! Right now I am reading Kate Elliott's "Crown of Stars" series, and one of the main characters, Liath, is fascinated with the spheres of heaven and is very interested in figuring out if the heavens are spinning around Earth, or if Earth is the one that is rotating. She decides to test this theory by shooting an arrow straight up, assuming that if Earth is rotating, than surely the arrow will land in a different spot than where it was shot.

[@natashaeliot3628]

Capernicos was employed by the church, and even people back during the latter Greek and egyptian times calculated its circumferance. Columbus just thought the earth was smaller than it actually was than being the only one to believe than it was round. most other people just thought that the ocean would be to big for the range of ships at the time.

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

So, rather than being a visionary, he just did his maths wrong? Considering how he fecked everything else up, that sounds about right.

[@countzero2405]

And the other people were right and Columbus was wrong. He just was lucky that there was an unknown continent between Europe and Asia.

[@Jayako12]

@@abdellahsbaa3751 As he said, unknown.

[@acehardware2823]

As far as I know, some dude from acient greece caculated the length of the earth on the base that earth was round

[@ikeriro2650]

And he even got it really close to reality, which is impresive

[@sillypuppy5940]

Eratosthenes

[@alvianekka80]

Is that the experiment that using two sticks and calculate the length of shadows?

[@Rand0mPeon]

@@alvianekka80 You forgot the camel.

[@DeanCalaway]

The world is not on the back of frogs, come on... it's on the back of turtles.

[@businessproyects2615]

Frogs cannot be trusted; a great weight requires a great carapace.

[@ElfMaidWithInternet]

I thought it balanced on top of the head of a gigantic orc.

[@paultiki9968]

No, the backs of 4 elephants who are in turn on the back of a turtle

[@varuug]

All the way down.

[@reklin]

The world is flat! It sits on the backs of four huge elephants, which in turn stand on the back of an enormous turtle, named Great A'Tuin , as it slowly swims through space.

[@antoinelambert938]

You beat me to saying it

[@kommissarkillemall2848]

yeah, just ask Rincewind. He managed to fall over the edge. :-P

[@darkdruidsvale]

What’s this from?

[@hellacoorinna9995]

And if the turtle is female, we're _all_ fucked.

[@markwynne725]

@@darkdruidsvale the Discworld novels by Terry Pratchett

[@Magnus_Arthorias]

Hey Shad, could you talk a little bit about medival farming and animal husbandry? :D

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

So, i don't know much, but there is a fair bit of documentation of it, because basically the same system was used everywhere in Europe until the agricultural revolution. First, three field crop rotation. Basically went cereals (wheat, oats, barley, that sort of stuff) the roots or peas, then fallow. Fields were divided into groups of three, so one was always cereal, one roots, and one fallow, rotating each year. Seeds were typically broadcast. It was quick, but a fair amount of seed was wasted due to birds eating them and clumps not all having space to grow. It wasn't the most efficient, fallow fields don't produce anything, but cereals than roots or peas is still done today, as they aren't affected by the same parasites, and roots can use nutrients from deeper in the soil than cereals. Fallow lets the soil recover, and spreading animal manure on it of course helped. As for husbandry, from what i am aware they had an understanding that you remove the coughing cow from the herd, but not quite so much that you keep all the cows in the vicinity of the coughing away from everything else as well. Similarly, they would know that putting jims prize bull with your cows will give you some most excellent calves, but they normally weren't so concerned with improving herd quality, so long as the house cow or goat produced enough milk for your needs, and the chickens kept laying.

[@Cerebrum123]

The "Halo Earth" joke followed by the music really got me. I love interesting videos like this that manage to have a good sense of humor.

[@N0_F1le]

i click this faster than the knight going for a crusade

[@crubs83]

Deus vult!

[@InquisitorKryptman]

69th like, purge the mutant

[@kalebb1226]

Clicked faster than a knight sending a chiled on a crusade.

[@N0_F1le]

@@kalebb1226 oh god

[@grognakthedestroyerattorne3211]

@@kalebb1226 a chiled

[@IAmTheAce5]

I, for one, advocate for the removal of artistic-license from historical record.

[@Hippiehater1683]

(!) This claim about election fraud has been disputed

[@skyereave9454]

Thanks for shedding light on this

[@riatsila144]

Things I never expected to need in my life: Shad impersonating Alex Jones

[@williamhepworth6360]

My favourite saying about flat earthers: Trying to argue with a flat earther is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon is only going to hop all over the board and knock over both his and your pieces, and will likely poo all over the board.

[@dallenhumpherys7911]

I missed this style of video, with Shad sitting on his throne in front of his bookshelf. I still miss the picture frame for the picture edits.

[@noahpatton3023]

Not that everyone had access to the Bible in their language at the time, but Isaiah 40:22 refers to the earth as a circle or sphere depending on the transition. People have know for a very long time that the earth is not flat lol.

[@michaelsweeney596]

It is a flat circle though

[@ramigilneas9274]

The Israelites didn’t have a word for sphere. They had a word for ball… but they thought that a flat circle would be a better description. There are some pretty interesting books about the jewish cosmology of that time. But the short answer is that the authors of Genesis thought that earth looked like a big snow globe with a solid firmament and that the sun, moon and the stars were all much smaller than earth.

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

Yes thank you for pointing that out

[@justinsane332]

no, the translation is not sphere. also, they havent. it was taught until last century

[@electrolysisresearch8013]

The Bible clearly establishes that the Earth is flat. There are hundreds of scriptures that suggest that the Earth is a stationary object and flat. According to 1 Chronicles 16:30, it states that "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable," which means that the Earth is an immobile, fixed object within space. This line of reasoning is continued with other scriptures including Psalm 93:1 which states that "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm..." and Isaiah 45:18 with "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..."[1] Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king "saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth... reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds." [2] If the Earth were actually spherical, then it would be impossible to see this tree from all four corners of the Earth, and if you use the book of Enoch that is an absolute slam dunk there is no argument at all there, the book of Enoch clearly obsessively insists the Earth is flat. The bible very clearly contradicts a spherical Earth.