Mel Gibson vs Wesley Huff on Joe Rogan

[@vikperson1058]

Trent Horn on JRE when?

[@walther.laufer-68]

EXACTLY

[@espycraft2005yt]

Jimmy akin as well!

[@anycyclopedia]

JR brought a Protestant and a Sedevacantist to his podcast but never a Catholic.

[@cydra_infinity1423]

Joe Rogan would have to be Christian first.

[@purpleflurp6601]

I would watch that so fast

[@aczajka74]

"I have learned more from prayer before the Blessed Sacrament than from all the books I have studied" - St. Thomas Aquinas

[@Featherfinder]

Wow. Good one that I’d never heard!

[@Poland805]

"No one dies for a Lie" was probably Mel's most compelling line from the interview. Surprised it didn't make the clip here, but great breakdown between the two, Trent.

[@NM-tl6pe]

I actually disagreed with this statement. There are plenty of Muslims who kill themselves in the name of Islam.

[@nicholasroman940]

Trent did a previous video on this (“Who would die for a lie?”), and he points out how it shows the sincerity of the claimants, but it doesn’t necessarily prove the truthfulness (see: Muhammad and Joseph Smith)

[@kenobi4582]

lol people do that all the time

[@3339ty]

I think what is meant is that nobody dies for what they KNOW to be a lie.

[@That_one_introvert.]

Muslims do all the time 😂

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Praying for our Holy Catholic Church, Pope Francis, your family, Joe Rogan, Mel Gibson, Wes Huff, and everyone here in my Rosary, Trent. Hope your family and everybody here has a light-filled peaceful joyful blessed week.

[@bonifaceonyekaba8849]

Thank you

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

@@bonifaceonyekaba8849 Hope you and yours are having a good New Year!

[@shangarsh8890]

Pray for ur socialist pope

[@MysticalAlchemy33]

Pope antichrist

[@Fin_Stryker]

Amen

[@Flying-Roro]

Everyone is talking about Trent on JRE but I want Mel on Trent 🎉

[@samuelWx]

Indeed!

[@cydra_infinity1423]

Mel Gibson already is great friends with Dr. Taylor Marshall. If Trent befriends them I hope it happens.

[@AyatollahS.A.Khamenei]

lol two well known nutjobs

[@E_Gfree]

He wouldn’t do that. He’s a major sedevacantivist.

[@Sirach_5_11]

Yeah, so Trent can correct Gibson and his sedevacantist way.

[@echomike8591]

Mel Gibson is an actor and a movie producer, not an apologist. I'd love a true Catholic apologist like Trent if invited to the Joe Rogan Experience.

[@MysticalAlchemy33]

And you think being an actor producer makes his point invalid?

[@dunk_law]

Apologist only ever interact with the ambiguity. When they cannot beat something they just ignore it.

[@isaacdaigle128]

Saying it’s counter productive to bring an idol to a catholic ceremony is 100% a valuable critique. Your goal is not objective truth, clearly.

[@marshalladamant]

^ I swear, these lunatics are so detached from the original comment it's more likely they are all bots. At least don't make it so obvious.

[@tonyschmitz1997]

I actually think that Jimmy Akin would be great cause he has such a vast knowledge on so many things that would catch Rogans attention.

[@austynstephens9263]

Hey Trent! I was born into a Calvinist church, and I'm from Mexico City. But last year, thanks to you, I wanted to learn more about Catholicism, so I went to La Basílica de Guadalupe for the first time, and it was a really transformative experience. I just wanted to say thank you because this video really spoke to me. I feel like sometimes I just have to be right. Subscribed!

[@ChristineMcg]

Trent and Catholic Answers radio and also on KZbin, is a wonderful source of information. God bless you on your journey 🙏

[@tzaphkielmelekiyah1518]

Check out the Orthodox Church too if you get a chance, I’m still in the wilderness but checking into the early church still to see where God is leading me

[@garyr.8116]

@austynstephens9263- Viva Guadalupe! As the ARK of the New Covenant - she will help you cross over out of the wilderness and into the PromiseLand (Joshua ch 3 & 4) !!

[@Ramonsotojr]

Try to see the old basilica of the virgen de guadalupe. The new one is kinda modern.

[@ThePhil737]

It's the difference between the head and the heart. Apologetics addresses rational thinking (the head) and evangelism addresses the heart through story telling and personal witness.

[@whattheheckification]

Both are evangelism. Not sure what to call the type of evangelism Mel is doing.

[@mike-cc3dd]

Men vs women

[@DefenderAO]

There's heart AND mind renewal in Christ. It's not one or the other.

[@saram3156]

If someone is very earnestly moved by Muslim evangelism, does that point toward it being true? If someone is earnestly convinced by Islamic apologetics, does that mean that it might be true? I don't see a necessary connection between having a heart-belief or a rational conviction that something is true, with an actual truth of the matter.

[@ThePhil737]

Definitely need both mind and heart. St Thomas Aquinas could defend every Church teaching, but he had such a great love for the Eucharist, that he wrote beautiful poems and songs like Adoro Te Devote to express it. Mind and heart.

[@Vili1005]

This video was a fantastic breakdown! My perspective was that I really appreciated Wes Huff's analytical approach, laying out the evidence for the Bible and the resurrection in such a clear and logical way. And Mel's insights were spot on in the show, faith isn't blind, it's built on a foundation of evidence, and he really brought that point home. Great stuff!

[@juanononecoaching]

I think Mel's opinionated responses to certain items could add more confusion than inspiration. For example, his comments on evolution not existing... You can't use carbon dating to believe the shroud and then imply it's not valid for Neanderthals and dinosaurs.

[@Vili1005]

​@juanononecoaching I appreciate the comment. Just a quick question: Can you just clarify that for me and expand on it a bit more please?

[@Vili1005]

​@@juanononecoachingLet's go on to what you said about carbon dating. We are still adapting on the technology. Carbon dating relies alot on the assumption that the ratio of carbon-14 all the way to carbon-12 in the atmosphere has remained constant, but this isn't entirely true. We have look at other factors like volcanic eruptions and the burning of fossil fuels which can alter this ratio, leading to inaccuracies. Heck even tiny variations in the initial ratio can skew results by thousands of years, making the method less reliable for very old samples or those from periods of environmental instability.

[@geraldhunt669]

​@@juanononecoachingcarbon dating does not support the shroud. There is a newer dating method that does

[@Vili1005]

​​@@geraldhunt669 You're right, but I think the reason he @juanononecoaching chose carbon dating is mainly because in the non academia world(majority of the world) it's the go-to method for determining age, but what he gets wrong is that it's not always reliable. Especially with fabric, it's pretty much useless because the plant fibers used to make the cloth were already old when they were harvested! Even with bones and city sites, contamination can throw the results way off. I think it's important to look at things like historical records, tree ring data, and thermoluminescence dating to get a more complete picture.

[@jjj0026]

I appreciate Mel Gibson response. Wes is very polished. Mel is raw , gritty. You even see the flaws in the cuss words.

[@MaaFreddy]

Mel is real and genuine . You see what you get and there is nothing like it .

[@jberrocalucf]

Mel sounds like a fool . I respect his story telling actor/director skills. Thats it. Any bum of the street is raw gritty and honest and genuine. Character is not what’s being assessed here. Mel’s attitude towards evolution and other religions is cringe and lacks anything REAL. He is like a crazy uncle that might have some truth in what he is saying.

[@TheSmark666]

What's wrong with cuss words? They add emphasis and you don't sound like a Goodie Two Shoes robot.

[@garyr.8116]

@@jberrocalucf he's only at stage 3 - but a lot further along than many get to in this lifetime; If he makes it to stage 4 while still alive and viable, this world will call him crazy.

[@madcyborg1822]

​@@jberrocalucfevolution is not compatible with Christianity lol.

[@holyroller.]

I've been diagnosed with depression and have been going through a pretty severe bout of it for some time now. I have ADHD, I'm paraplegic, I'm a lust addict, diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, and have had debilitating muscle contractions that have only exasperated all of these issues. I haven't left my bed for over a week and a half. I know for a fact that God is calling me to evangelize through my testimony, warts and all. This video has helped me take an incremental step and get out of bed and get cleaned up, to keep moving forward. I know I'm not perfect, I'm massively flawed and very broken, but I know He just wants me to speak honestly to others and that's enough. Thank you, Holy Spirit, for the message and the motivation to take this small action forward. Thanks, Trent, for being the messenger. God bless all who read this.

[@ErinyHany-ve9lp]

Don't worry,All men have sinned and fallen short of God's glory! But God sees that as no problem,he loves us and through good work and faith,we will become perfect again in paradise when we're with him,never give up and know he's always there for you and will never forsake you

[@barfyman-362]

May God bless you

[@bernadettehays453]

An absolutely Beautiful book to read is The Diary of St Faustina. People do not know that Jesus said “ My Mercy is Greater than our/your Sins.” God wants You to draw so close to Him. Your humility is what Jesus also desires. How can any of us get close to Jesus if we don’t have humility? You suffer so, so much. Join Your sufferings to Jesus in the Cross, and YOU will see His great and merciful work on you. As from today You are included in My Divine Mercy Prayers @ 3am, and 3pm everyday gor Your special intentions, and anyone else I too will remember you. Pray Divine Mercy at anytime but especially @ 3pm/am. God Bless You, Protect You and I look forward to hearing more of your spiritual path.

[@holyroller.]

@bernadettehays453 Wow, that's incredibly kind of you. I really truly appreciate your prayers. I know the efficacy of prayer. Thank you for such encouraging words. I have St. Faustina's dairy but haven't read it all the way through. I'll have to start over. I definitely try to unite to Christ through my suffering but I really don't carry my many crosses well. I know they're here as a testimony and to refine me but I have a hard time living the lessons God has taught me. I sin a lot through my addiction. I go to meetings, have just recently got a sponsor, and I go to Confession weekly but it's always the same sins and the same struggles. I feel like I'm on an endless loop and do fear that I'll die out of the state of grace, especially since I've nearly died 5 times in my life. I know that addiction can mitigate culpability to some degree but I'd rather gain some stability in life and not feel like I'm run by depression, anxiety, poor impulse control, or whatever paraplegia throws at me from day-to-day. Just please pray I suffer well, because if Christ calls me to be a victim soul for the sake of others I'm really REALLY bad at it.

[@holyroller.]

@@ErinyHany-ve9lp Thank you for this. Please pray for me.

[@100nakpvp2]

I do not think Mel was trying to be defensive of Christianity in a way that he would try to prove it. He was just chilling saying what he thought was right and what he believes in. Wes on the other hand a lot more nerdy, in detail defense of reliability of scriptures.

[@LyteRetro]

​@@willchristie2650our bodies are temples after all

[@Ryan78900]

Trent, you should go on JRE. I hope he invites you sometime

[@MovieShorts-p5r]

He won't

[@Ryan78900]

@ Y not

[@markc4176]

He has had former cult members on before, so why not the cult of catholicism? Personally I think people should be exposed to truth and to lies, so now that they’ve heard the truth, they should hear what lies sound like too.

[@Mr.Scar_Real]

@@Ryan78900he’s a Catholic apologist and probably not enough of a celebrity 😢

[@Wh1stle_03]

@@markc4176 least smug internet atheist

[@ryanlisterman1864]

I think both perfect for Joe and in the right order, Wes established a fact based logical case for why belief is reasonable. And Mel appealed the emotional side

[@SeaBee1223]

I don’t compare them. I’m just happy that they are speaking the truth about Jesus. That’s all that matters to me.

[@PrimeTimePaulyRat]

Trent compared them to say that both approaches are great and needed and that everyone needs to evangelize in the way that God has prepared them. He is not comparing them to say one is better than the other, as your comment suggests.

[@derekf85]

Trent, sometimes it’s ok to say, you know, he’s right on this point and we need to do better as a church.

[@TheQCR]

Trent +Jimmy on JRE would be 🔥

[@thisis_chavez]

God bless the Catholic Church

[@brando3342]

God bless the Christian Church.

[@vilyam]

​@@brando3342Both. We pray for all, but sometimes we pray for a specific thing.

[@jonathansoko1085]

Catholic is Christian. That's a redundant comment.​@@brando3342

[@thisisforgod868]

@@brando3342you mean Protestant denominations right ? For the Catholic Church is the first Christian Church. Everything else is just an offshoot.

[@brando3342]

@ The first Christian church was the body of Christ, and that existed well before any Roman Catholic establishment. “Catholic” originally meant “universal”, and that’s not a reference to Rome. “The church” is a congregation of people, not a formal systematic establishment or building of any kind.

[@Heightren]

We have 4 authors of gospels because they reached different people too

[@gregorywilliams4751]

“The lawmaker is above the law” hits home

[@paul_321]

Amen brother 🙏

[@jacoblee5796]

Hits home because it's bad philosophy? Those with power should held to the highest of standards, they shouldn't be above the law.

[@TheAurelianProject]

@@jacoblee5796 Yeah if it were a human we were talking about here, then sure. But we are talking about the literal God of the universe.

[@koderamerikaner5147]

​@@jacoblee5796The literal creator and decider of objective morality is infintismally greater and different than a human interpreting objective morality or extrapolating objectivity from subjectivity.

[@gregorywilliams4751]

@ he’s referring to The Almighty

[@yoricusrex]

Hey Trent, would love to see you on JRE or with Michael Knowles. Keep it up and God bless

[@tomershahrabani129]

Trent, thank you for your example of humility. You have demonstrated much more generosity of spirit with Mel Gibson (while acknowledging the seriousness of his problematic sayings) than I would have. Definitely gave me pause to check myself.

[@kentonpeters2272]

Amen! As a Protestant, I fully appreciate Trent Horne here and this was a message I needed to hear.

[@maddiemeadowsplace9990]

Very charitable to Mr. Gibson

[@chrispullman5902]

Context: Mel's house was about to be burned down. He knew this as he was on Rogan. They were talking about it. For him to proclaim the Gospel and the Risen Jesus under those circumstances is amazing.

[@seagangvision2736]

Joe collecting them guests like infinity stones. 😅

[@jendoe9436]

Well, both he and Thanos are bald headed beings 😂

[@Christrulesall2]

Joe: Fine...ill find jesus myself.

[@LyteRetro]

​@@Christrulesall2lmao 😂😂

[@jendoe9436]

@@Christrulesall2 the big question: who would Joe address “I do not even know who you are” to? 👀

[@theignorantcatholic]

I'm really loving your latest stuff bro. And I think your simple approach to do your best is an inspiration to me to prepare more with regard to my efforts to engage others with the faith.

[@Ironworthstriking]

I thought that Wes served a very specific purpose. Joe has heard the gospel. But he’s a born skeptic with just about everything. Wes was able to undergird the gospel with cold hard facts and data. Which likely did a lot for Rogan in terms of openness.

[@bobinindiana]

@@Ironworthstriking Wes Huff has almost 400,000 subscribers on KZbin, as you know. He seems interested in witnessing to Muslims. He is only about 33. Canada has quite a few good Protestant apologists. The University of Toronto has some well-known graduates.

[@natasharostova5186]

I dont think Mel was preaching christianity with any intent towards Joe which is why it's okay to say that the catholic church is not a saint. I do not see anything wrong with criticizing the church while speaking your mind on how you feel about Jesus Christ. Kudos to Mel. Poured his heart out.

[@ChristFirst-J14.6]

Follower of Christ here. I found your message to be a much-needed reminder that all of the body members of Christ have testimonials that matter and are useful to growing its members. Christ is the way, the truth & the life. The ONLY WAY to the father is through Christ. John 14:6

[@ampmampm7519]

What a great video. Made my realized i still have so many flaws when trying to tell people about my lord and savior

[@AscendingAdventures]

It’s just 2 totally different people. Mel Gibson is not an apologist, but obviously believes very strongly. Apologism and logic convince some people, but gritty and raw emotions convince others. There’s a spot for both.

[@mattb4249]

Why wasn’t it shown when Wesley asked Rogan who Jesus is and then Wesley explained why the law shows we need Christ Jesus to be made right with God? Also, props to Trent showing that these to men are in the Church because of Christ Jesus and not what Rome says.

[@briankamp1584]

Thank you Trent for the last 5 minutes of this video. I had been struggling with the fact that I tend to have a very conservative view of Catholicism, and can be a bit intense when speaking on the Faith. You saying that maybe my way isnt wrong, simply a different approach really eased my apprehension.

[@HOME-rl9gi]

1:50 Usually, you're very firm on important points, but this is where you soften and give in. You couldn’t deny what Mel Gibson stated, which is a verifiable fact: the pope and bishops brought in an idol, allowed a pantheistic, pagan, idolatrous ritual to take place in front of them, participated in it, and even thanked the shamans for the ritual. This isn’t an "attack" to the Church, a “dangerous” comment or an “inflammatory” accusation of apostasy. It’s a verifiable fact. Yet you resist acknowledging it, probably because you have a job to protect.

[@MeganRostien]

Yeah I am absolutely baffled by his lack of logic here.

[@apeture_explorer4810]

He's probably scared

[@brentbrouwer6135]

Ditto.

[@drkissinger1]

He's commenting on apologetics, scandal, and how we speak to outsiders, which is Trent's area of expertise.

[@patrikioskoskinas3308]

He’s already made a full video on it when it first happened

[@ilcastilho]

Trent is a great guy. I'm away from the Church because of my sins, but I still see the reasoning in him. May God bless him and his family.

[@chrisclements1169]

Go to confession, one of the greatest gifts offered to us by Christ, through the Church.

[@caterinadc5567]

Why not come home, confess your sins and be forgiven? It sounds like you recognize that your sins are sins, so why not be freed from them and reconciled to the Church God offers you? May God bless you and your loved ones.

[@hisokamorrow6111]

You need to come back. Don't wait for sin to drag you further from God

[@ChristineMcg]

Jesus came for the sinners. One priest said " when I hear a confession from someone who hasn't been for years, I think after giving absolution, there goes another potential Saint". Go to confession. God bless🙏

[@DanielAluni-v2t]

You're in luck! Jesus came not for the sake of the self-righteous but poor sinners. Repent (sacramentally) receive absolution, and come home!

[@stefanocugini6379]

I Love how Rogan asks every Believer what their personal view is pertaining to the resurrection, from Stephen Meyer, Wesley Huff to Mel Gibson. I pray Joe accepts and walks with Christ!

[@parmesanbeagle9827]

Trent, fellow Catholic brother here, been a fan of your work for ages too. On the subject of criticism you direct towards Gibson and other Catholics that call out the Vatican when heretical acts and other “hyperbolic” language.. Isn’t there a great deal of direct evidence supporting this language? Mostly on channels like yours and Pints and others what we fundamentalist see is a euphemistic shrouding of these stories, sophistry and an attempt to diffuse the topic. I’m not being intentionally adversarial when telling you this, again I’m a huge fan! I believe that if you covered these suspicions and what appears to be blatant blasphemy with a more critical approach it would go a long way. You’re looked up to and trusted among the flock, but even us sheep can see these issues with Lope Francis, using his own words.. I pray for him daily, but it’s obvious his alignment is not fully in the Body. Help us out, look back and address the “hyperbolic” conspiracies that we as the Church are genuinely concerned about. God Bless you Tent

[@scroogemcduckismyspiritanimal]

@parmesanbeagle9827 if you go watch Matt's interview with Ed Feser on Pints you'll see exactly what you're asking for. And that's not the first time I've seen Matt broach the topic. Trent has a different style about it but the same attitude

[@BogeyBean22]

Michael Lofton's channel Reason and Theology is a great faithfully Catholic channel that covers and explains a lot of the "controversies" pedaled by click bait "Catholic" media/personalities who are basically no different than the Protestants were when breaking away. He has a whole series on the "pachamama" aka Our Lady of the Amazon. Trust that Christ is protecting His Church as He promised.

[@Jrce11]

This video was jam packed. One of Trent’s best videos in a while imo! Awesome quotes and a lot to think about.

[@SigRho1429]

I think it’s interesting that you call idols in the church “intramural Catholic disputes”. I think there is an entire Commandment directed at that sort of act. One of “the warts” of the Catholic Church has been our willingness to overlook obvious wrongs “for the greater good”, in my opinion.

[@kevinnickel7529]

Mel was right. It is apostasy.

[@danieljoyce6199]

The problem is that it is NOT a fact that the statue claimed to be "Pachamama" by some individuals was actually an idol. Nor is sedevacantism a fact. These were hotly debated topics, and when the dust settled, it turns out that everyone at the "Pachamama" event was completely Catholic, the statue was made by a Catholic for Catholic missions, and Pachamama wasn't even worshipped in the area the people were from. It was pure fear mongering. So there was never actually a Pachamama idol there with the Pope. Mel Gibson wasn't addressing a real wart. That's why it should stay intramural

[@AndrewPont-w1j]

​@@danieljoyce6199 Absolute cope lmao

[@geraldhunt669]

Amazon indians do not have pachamama in thier culture. It was not a pachamama. In fact all the people were catholic and a translator on Michael lofton translated that fracis was told "this is our lady of the Amazon "..

[@ChurchMusicBridgnorth]

From Wkikipedia: 'Along similar lines, Pope John Paul II, in two homilies delivered in Peru and Bolivia, identified homage to Pachamama as an ancestral recognition of divine providence that in some sense prefigured a Christian attitude toward creation. On February 3, 1985, he stated that "your ancestors, by paying tribute to the earth (Mama Pacha), were doing nothing other than recognizing the goodness of God and his beneficent presence, which provided them food by means of the land they cultivated." On May 11, 1988, he stated that God "knows what we need from the food that the earth produces, this varied and expressive reality that your ancestors called "Pachamama" and that reflects the work of divine providence as it offers us its gifts for the good of man." Some ethnographic scholars have also noted a syncretic identification of Pachamama with the Virgin Mary. In October 2019, native Amazonian artworks were displayed in the Vatican gardens, and in a Roman church, ahead of the Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region. Wooden sculptures in the form of a pregnant woman were wrongly labeled "Pachamama" in the media, and used as shorthand for them thereafter, despite not matching traditional representation of Pachamama, and the sculptures being called "Our Lady of the Amazon" at the event.'

[@catalinageib1850]

Waited for this one!!

[@faithbasedliving9391]

Catholics really have the perfect combination of podcasters. Lila Rose removed any hostility I had Trent Horn caused me to question my faith Kieth Nester was the nail on the coffin ❤

[@JoesphKolbe13]

Your sincerity is easy to see, Trent. Thank you for who you are and all you do.

[@MeederTom]

I think who does it better is just based on the person listening. Different tones methods language reaches different people

[@BornAgain223]

absolutely. Mel's telling wouldn't resonate much with me, as much as Wes' presentation would. But, other people would be gripped more by Mel's version.

[@MeederTom]

@ yeah I’m more in line with Wes. Mike mannered, nerdy, gentle, teaching more than preaching. And there’s an innocence about his soul that I really enjoy.

[@G1stGBless]

Great video Trent!!! Thank you for the evangelism vs apologetics angle. I never thought of it so clearly. You have a great gift. Thank God for his grace.

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

2:32 Gibson is 💯 right about what he says in this interview. V2 killed the church. Only the Faithful can revive it.

[@_meh_whatever]

So, the Church that would never perish, died after all, and the faithful who didn't found the Church and have no power of their own to resurrect anything, are the *only * ones that can revive the Church founded by Christ, a Church promised to never die but was killed anyway? Sure

[@metoph3126]

​@@_meh_whateverdude how do you not see that anti Pope Francis doesn't follow Catholic teachings? You don't have to be smart to see when he brings in false idols, and worships them, or says that we should spread Christianity, or when he denies that Mary was created by God to be a saint by saying she struggled. You don't have to be a professor in theology to see that the quote on quote "Catholic church" or the "Vatican" don't exactly follow Christ's teachings.

[@FromAcrossTheDesert]

Some people can be bullies with their physical prowess, but there are others who can be bullies with their intellect. In the end, it is the virtuous who see their prowess (both physical and mental) as a gift from God to defend the weak and a means through which we can demonstrate the justice and mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@maxfogdell]

It would be interesting to see Trent debate philosopical assumptions made in modern movies and tv-series. Moral claims made through entertainment can have a subtle effect on the audience. Characters rarely state their philosophical statements about the world in such a rigorous way as in normal debate on morality, but can still have a significant effect on the audience through visuals, good dialouge and music. A good example is Matthew McConaughey's character in True detective, who has a very pessimistic materialist view of the world that goes largely unchallenged, at least in the form of verbal argumentation. But if these ideas are exposed to rigorous debates, I think their weaknesses are much easier to point out, without the "smoke screen" of cool characters, intense music etc.

[@trismegistus2881]

I noticed in 'Gladiator 2' how multiple main characters refused to engage in common religious practices of the time, like making an offering. They said things like "I will protect myself, I don't need the gods." Not really representative for Roman anitquity

[@billballinger5622]

He was a psychic tho, he was not a materialist

[@dozerbwt]

Amen brother! Both are necessary! It's beautiful to see God working from all angles; God meeting people where they're at.

[@mythologicalmyth]

The church teaches us that a person must come to Christ through the church. Christ is only received through faith, experience, that is intertwined in the natural world through baptism and the other sacraments. The pure act of knowing Christ in itself is supernatural and tangibly experiential.

[@microsoftpain]

Very glad you made a video comparing the two. I'd really like to see you on JRE.

[@edwinacuna8500]

Man, Trent Horn is really just a chill guy.

[@catcans]

I love the story of St. Dismas. Never knew he was the first one canonized.

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Hope you and Jimmy Akin get on Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, Trent!

[@silencedogood2612]

Trent, this might be your best yet. Well said.

[@RealSeanithan]

I think of Ray Comfort: he's an excellent evangelist, but a horrible apologist. When he comes across people who just need an evangelist, he's more effective at winning those people than someone who is just a good apologist would be.

[@joeybwalsh]

I really like Ray Comfort but I can’t help but notice that in his gospel presentation he always presents Penal Substitutionary Atonement.

[@RealSeanithan]

@joeybwalsh Yes, that's true. Poor soteriology is one of the things that makes him a bad apologist. I think, though, that having a poor understanding of HOW Christ's sacrifice saves isn't likely to stop a potential convert from being saved.

[@BornAgain223]

Ray also has a huge hate on for the catholic church, without studying any of the evidence. He makes extremely weak arguments that only people who are obviously ignorant make.

[@bobinindiana]

@@RealSeanithan Ray Comfort has said that he refuses to debate with Catholics. He may be more or less retired-not sure.

[@RealSeanithan]

@bobinindiana He's always refused to debate. When I say he's a bad apologist, I mean when his street interviews move in that direction, he's not good at it. It's partially because there's no actual Scripture or Tradition that supports his soteriology, so he doesn't have much to work with, but he's also not very good at it.

[@randymeier8335]

Yes! CANT WAIT for the futher vids on wes/jre AMEN AMEN! Also definitely would love to see Trent on jre

[@Sammo212]

its no coincidence that other religions are constantly trying to co-opt Jesus into their mythologies.

[@09bamasky]

Gibson: “We have a Pope who brought a South American idol into the church to worship.” Did any worship *actually* occur? Absolutely not. And the Pope even explicitly stated that. People who make these exaggerations (like Mel Gibson) are just people who can’t pass up the opportunity to stir up controversy. This is a psychological issue for them, and has very little to do with the Church.

[@Antonio.R.O.C.]

🛑Stop being a lukewarm Catholic and actually READ your Bible to see who this pope really is❗️ a wolf in sheep’s clothing❗️ 🕊️“Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their true loyalty.” The Book of Jonah 2:8 🕊️”What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said "I will live in them and move among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore come out from them, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch nothing unclean; then I will welcome you,” 2 Corinthians 6:16-17

[@09bamasky]

@ Yes, I read the Bible every morning and evening, in addition to praying the Divine Office throughout the day. Maybe you should spend a little more time reading the ACTUAL events that took place on October of 2019. No one EVER “paid regard to vain idols.”

[@09bamasky]

Calling me “lukewarm” is just an ignorant judgment from an internet troll, and won’t do anything productive here. And I am most definitely NOT a lukewarm Catholic. 😂 You have no idea what my position and state in life and in the Catholic Church is.

[@Antonio.R.O.C.]

@@09bamasky My rebuke was in the form of the example given to us by both Jesus and the Apostles as I used scripture. Link provided below ⬇️ is who you are defending❗️ kzbin.infon7S7UPuWMMQ?si=9Ur-y8GK81cQslu5 Who are these Buddhist praying to over the pope❓ 🕊️“But just penalties will overtake them on two counts: because they thought wickedly of God in devoting themselves to idols, and because in deceit they swore unrighteously through contempt for holiness.” Wisdom of Solomon 14:30 Yes, lukewarm is what you are for defending a FALSE prophet, a WOLF in sheep’s clothing❗️ Let the Buddhists final words to the pope in the video sink deep in your heart and reveal the truth ❗️

[@geraldhunt669]

Pope francis was told by the woman who spoke to him "this is our lady of the Amazon " per a guy I heard translate it. The people were catholics. The statue could not be a pachamama because Amazon indians don't have pachamama in thier culture. Andes indians do. But they are 500 miles away

[@ConvincedofChristianity]

Trent, please try to get Wes on for an interview 🙏 🙏 🙏

[@katiedid8192]

Trent you are amazing. Agree, you would be wonderful on Joe Rogan.

[@czar8942]

We need a Huff v Horn debate 🔥🔥

[@antoniomoyal]

Brilliant once more

[@Carlos-sr8km]

This was very beautiful to hear from Mel

[@lukebrown5395]

Apologetics is draining mentally. At least for me. Personally I was giving Huff points for not cursing. I even told my best friend that his guy did better, but he said that Huff was my guy too. He hates my whole Protestant vs Catholic mindset.

[@joeybwalsh]

More than your friend, I don’t think God likes our Protestant vs Catholic mindset either. Most Protestants, except those actively protesting the Catholic Church, were born into a random christian denomination and do not view themselves as protesting Catholicism or even think much of the Catholic Church at all throughout their lives. My opinion is that most of the Catholic Church should not do Catholic apologetics but rather simply engage in witnessing to others for Christ through their words and deeds and then inviting them to mass. If Catholics could do that it would be very impactful.

[@nubbyrose87]

I never heard that apologist prayer before. That was beautiful🥰🙏

[@tonyl3762]

Matt Fradd, Christopher West, Chris Stefanick, or Shayne Smith are names that come to mind that would be good evangelists on JRE.

[@brianhogan2089]

Well done. Excellent episode. Thanks

[@michaelventer885]

Non-Catholic, "Calvinist" here. Yes, Protestantism is rank with inconsistencies and sometimes, outright heresy. I hope that we could unite the Lord's Church one day. I think you are the top Christian Apologist in the Anglosphere now Trent. Appreciate your work very much.

[@Gesu_Re_dei_re]

Calvinism is a Protestant denomination and it's also a heresy

[@jaypritchard7122]

We tried that world of so called Unity. It was filled with abuse and people got killed for being heretics. Simple having a different opinion on scriptures. The marketplace where power is not held by a specific authority but an individual to choose their denomination and freely speak their ideas in competition is much better.

[@jhssuthrnmama]

May the reunification be strengthened through your own path home to the church founded by Christ.

[@michaelventer885]

@ I am a seasoned XP Apologist myself. But I'm done with getting blood on my I theological sword against brothers in Christ. I would extend grace to you and rather let you be at this time. I know it comes from a place of goodness.

[@michaelventer885]

@ Thanks. We will let it to the Lord's providence and His Holy Spirit.

[@BABBASTICKY]

I didn’t know it was a contest?

[@pamelazahn4816]

Good job, Trent

[@TS6815]

your point about the apostles and "needing the right voice" is absolutely spot on. That show isn't perfect, but there is a sequence in The Chosen as Jesus recites the Beatitudes, and the camera pans from apostle to apostle to illustrate how they each embody His blessings. It nearly brought me to tears and I absolutely felt as if I heard His message then in a way that I never had before.

[@Ronniecob]

I have noticed that more and more Christians are more concerned with convincing others that their views or branch of Christianity are correct rather than sharing the Gospel.

[@jaypritchard7122]

Not in NY. Almost everyone goes to a different denomination. Anyone that tries to force their denomination will be rebuked quite quickly. This is the beauty of the marketplace. The ultimate judge is not Rome it’s the market and local culture. Even my Catholic friends have provided me with scripture to bring me back up but never tried to force me into Catholicism.

[@JOEROCKYlive]

Both are important. It's important to worship Christ and spread his message the correct way.

[@bradleyperry1735]

Sharing the Gospel implies that you are actually sharing the Gospel. Sometimes that means pointing out what is true, which means pointing out what isn’t.

[@Ramonsotojr]

Because many are sharing a fake gospel outside of the church and leading listeners astray from Christs church. You can preach the gospel with the life you live and to all the people that you encounter.

[@jaypritchard7122]

@@Ramonsotojr relax! God doesn’t need warriors. He just needs believers to trust him. Everything will all work out. Not one sheep will be lost. It can be hard to truly trust God in the chaos. It’s his battle not ours.

[@JaceyMitchell]

I've always thought Jimmy Akin would be a GREAT Joe Rogan guest. They've got so many shared interests. They can talk about Jesus, AND UFOs and Bigfoot - and even how the existence of UFOs is not an argument against God, which seems like a fairly big stumbling block for many people in the Rogan-sphere. Jimmy's and Rogan's interests on a lot of issues align (even if their conclusions might not always), but I think there's a lot of common ground they have that would provide chemistry between them. The kind of chemistry that could make him a show regular. And I'd love to have a prominent Christian voice as a regular on the world's biggest podcast. Thank you for this video, Trent. God bless.

[@pauthang2439]

Both have their own style. Either is effective in their own ways

[@LauraMonge1974]

Inspiring! Thanks for sharing!

[@paul_321]

Joe Rogan likes guest that are in pop culture or with amazing stories. Someone like Jimmy Akins would be great because of all the conspiracy theories, or Hathn Tash, if you don’t know her story you gotta check it out.

[@riffeteddybear7573]

I dont understand why its a competition in the first place. We should be happy we have gotten Christians on a big platform shating our faoth with nonbelievers not nitpicking one another or infighting..

[@danielandmariewalter]

How about instead of comparing and competition we just celebrate that two high profile Christians got to witness on Joe Rogan.

[@michellep.6482]

Absolutely!! 👍 it's exactly what I was thinking

[@calebmundle5948]

Because Trent knows he can get views by doing this sort of thing. You’re absolutely right though.

[@bythegraceofadoni]

Thats what bothers me about trent, hes very focused on dividing christians rather then celebrating the fact we had a voice on a high profile platform.

[@Catholicmom2567]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤡

[@Catholicmom2567]

​@bythegraceofadono no hes pointing out the errors of these two men. We are all tired of the lies being told about the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church. Untruthful need to be called out.

[@Diamondkiwi14]

Weskey Huff definitely did it better but with that said Gibson did a decent job too!

[@donaldturnbull]

We need a real Catholic Apologist on Joe Rogan.

[@gordon2945]

There is no such thing Catholic is paganism not Christianity there's nothing biblical about Catholicism

[@dyrtyharry]

Catholics sure have a lot to apologize for.

[@josephwingate4097]

His audience nor Joe Rogan is ready for that

[@richlisola1]

Well, Mel didn’t come as an apologist, he came as a guest-Regular Catholics unschooled in apologetics are also commanded to share The Gospel. Mel did that.

[@al.masihi]

I hope Capturing Christianity has watched this episode of yours and learn a few things from you. Excellent episode @Trent

[@Lone-Lee]

I haven't watched this video fully but I'm dropping this comment just in case you don't mention it: Vigano, was the person who covered for the ab user (cardinal Mccarick) and then later blamed it all on the Vatican and Pope.

[@Ryan78900]

Not sure how accurate that is

[@johnisaacfelipe6357]

I'm pretty sure you have nothing to prove what you just said and it is just a baseless accusation

[@Lone-Lee]

Vatican released a report on McCarick in 2020 detailing how Vigano knew what McCarick did but didn't notify the pope or the Vatican. It's a 600 somethin page document available on their website detailing everything with proof. Michael Lofton did a full three hour long video on it.

[@td6425]

@@Ryan78900 @johnisaacfelipe6357 It's pretty much all in the Vigano dossier. Michael Lofton has a very long video where he basically goes through the whole document. I don't know thatit is quite as cut and dry as that, but Vigano certainly seems to have wanted to climb the ladder.

[@Lone-Lee]

@@johnisaacfelipe6357 Check out _“Report On The Holy See's Institutional Knowledge And Decision-making Related To Former Cardinal Theodore Edgar Mccarrick”._ Released by the Secretariat of State of the Holy See on November 10, 2020. It's a 600 page document detailing how Vigano was the person incharge of Cardinal Mccarick and was supposed to inform the Vatican of his affairs. He chose not to do it. Michael Lofton has a 3 hour long video on his channel discussing it. Available for free on the internet.

[@nriley12]

I know Trent probably won’t see this but the end of this video really woke me up. Having faith and being able to argue it are two different things.

[@ChuckyLarms]

I don’t think a comparison is fair or necessary. They had completely different conversations

[@HeavenlyPhilosophy]

Trent, can you please post your Fun Friday posts on the channel again? That's the only way I can access that content, and I would like to hear you talk more often.

[@franciscositja4079]

The apostate accusing the Pope of apostasy. Lord, have mercy.

[@tonyl3762]

Michael Lofton has good video debunking the Pachamama controversy. The statue was a symbol of the Amazon, not a goddess. "The TRUTH About the Pachamama Vatican Ceremony" with Fr. Dcn. Anthony Dragani.

[@aureum7479]

Francis said it was a pachamama

[@tonyl3762]

@@aureum7479 Lofton and Fr. Dcn. Anthony Dragani address that too. Watch the video: "The TRUTH About the Pachamama Vatican Ceremony." If you are sincere, take the time to be educated. The Pope was merely using the short-hand name that everyone else was using, unfortunately. You are latching onto one fact without full knowledge of all the facts about the statue and that prayer event where NO ONE thought of it or referred to it as Pachamama originally. No doubt the statue and event have become scandalous in effect, but no one involved ever thought of it as an idol representing a goddess.

[@bkranz-1283]

I can’t even follow the hoops Catholics have to jump through to defend Francis anymore. At the very least you have to admit he’s constantly treading on some very thin ice with Christianity and there’s always a lot of knots for apologists to unravel. I’d be letting out sighs every time he makes the news with this stuff if I was an apologist (“ugggh here we go again, let’s find the loophole where this is somehow ok instead of just calling it like it clearly is”)

[@tonyl3762]

@@bkranz-1283 Get ready for a surprise: Catholics like myself _are_ letting out sighs and unwilling to defend Pope Francis on MANY things (e.g. death penalty, Amoris Laetitia, "all religions are a path to arrive at God," imprudence and misgovernance regarding appointments and discipline/blessings, ambiguity and legalistic hairsplitting regarding mortal sin, etc.), but some things have been hyped up and are worth defending him on, such as Pachamama "idolatry" or "changed teaching" on homosexuality. Yes, he does skirt the edges of orthodoxy many times, and unfortunately it does take a careful, informed, and keen mind to find the proper balance and distinguish what is media hype and what is truly concerning, problematic, or even erroneous. Even Catholic Answers apologists and even Lofton have publicly recognized problems in certain instances. Erick Ybarra seems the best at finding the right balance. Pope Francis' imprudence, misgovernance, scandal, and even low-authority error in the case of the death penalty doesn't disprove the papacy or papal infallibility since he has never exercised the full authority of his office and the damage has still been relatively limited though still significant. Peter never lost his office despite his own apparent imprudence, hypocrisy, or scandal at Antioch (though we only have Paul's side of the story).

[@cocoa4sho]

Thank you for being very ecumenical in your past videos Trent 🤝

[@Skeptic-x8m]

Mel Gibson is the most radtrad to ever have radtradded.

[@myfakinusername]

He went full RADTRAD, man. You never go full RADTRAD.

[@mariatowers7662]

Would you ever do the Jubilee video where they debate abortion or some moral issue? I just saw Lila Rose’s and I thought you’d also be a great candidate for that!!

[@fhblake04]

Christ is King.

[@Lone-Lee]

Have you taken a vow to comment "Christ is King" on every Trent Horn video?😂😂

[@bock1965]

Great word Trent !!

[@paul_321]

Maybe I should get over it but Wes saying 66 books still irks me

[@Zaphod771]

It's not different from Cyril of Jerusalem, Justin Martyr or Irenaeus really. The big difference is that Cyril lumps all of the minor prophets into a single book and kind of has different naming conventions for Samuel, Kings and Chronicles. He also included the Book of Baruch and the last chapter of Baruch is referred to as "the Epistle" in his work. However, these are minor differences. Likewise, Irenaeus has minor differences, so did Tertullian. Where they all agree is the standard set of books that almost all Christians use today. Think of the other books (the deuterocanon) as interesting books that most people at the time had some doubts about, regardless of how we feel about them today.

[@paul_321]

@@Zaphod771Wes knows there were 73 books though. He knowingly lied to Joe about this.

[@1517the_year]

@@paul_321Wes is a Protestant who recognises 66. Why would he say otherwise?

[@kevinclement1533]

​@@paul_321 Wes isn't lying if he sincerely believes that the canon is 66 books, like most of us Protestants do. That is called a disagreement between Protestantism and Catholicism. As a Catholic, you can say that Wes is in the wrong for believing that the Bible only has 66 books. But to immediately accuse Wes of purposefully lying is uncharitable imho.

[@Zaphod771]

@@paul_321 , you say 73, but the Ethiopian Church, the Orthodox Church, etc. all have a different number. There are 66 that the early church fathers agreed on and that are directly or indirectly quoted by Justin the Philosopher (Martyr) in his apologies, by Ignatius, and by other major figures in the first generation after the death of John the Apostle. Of the 73 that you referenced, there are at least a few that have interesting content but may not be divinely inspired. The Didache, for example, has doubtful authorship, is used more as guidelines than as commands, and is actively ignored by the Catholic Church even though it is technically acknowledged as part of the deuterocanon by more recent Church leaders at various times in the last few centuries. The books of Maccabees has some historical accuracy to it, but it contains a few phrases of doubt, which is the opposite of the authority required to be in the canon. This includes statements about whether something "may" have happened. I'm not saying that you shouldn't read it, but it is generally not recognized as the same as scripture, even (apparently) by the guy who wrote it. Again, if you don't use the deuterocanon as scripture, it isn't really a problem as far as theology goes. And the one topic where the Didache is pretty specific (Baptism), the Catholic Church has been ignoring it anyway.

[@jacob5283]

I love your thoughts on the value of non-apologetic approaches to sharing the faith. Thanks for reminding us of that

[@marcdavidson3676]

I am not Catholic and probably will never be but this video demonstrates why I love Trent and consider him to be both my friend and brother. Well said, and encouraging, we are all called to share Jesus, not just the well trained apologists or the famous actors. All of us who know Jesus are His witnesses. By the way, I knew Joe Rogan personally when I lived in Boston in the '90s and he was a blackbelt at the TaeKwonDo school I used to attend. Back then he was completely dismissive of Christianity and belief in God. I tried to share with him but he was dismissive of me too and certainly did not respect anything I had to say. To see where he is now is miracle to me.

[@dennisrydgren]

It is too good to be true 😅

[@emilycahow]

Wes had me uncomfortable at some points, but I had to stop watching Gibson all together.

[@SteveB-nx2uo]

What made you uncomftorble? Why did you "have to" stop watching?

[@Lone-Lee]

100% True!! Couldn't even keep listening to it.

[@paulthompson9668]

Yeah, they're not very good stewards of Christianity. I will pray for them.

[@junkmail8883]

Why?

[@paulthompson9668]

@@junkmail8883 I see the owner of this channel doesn't like my comments.

[@DefiantQueen]

Trent and Jimmy should be in JRE! 🙌

[@Bedlam_6]

I thought both did well.