Sorry if the levels are wild XD. Also, I wanted to add one thing, because I got some feedback about it. We deserve BOTH original Black characters and the ability to enjoy/critic race-bending of original white characters into POC without dealing with racism. As someone highly critical of how Blackness and Latine identity was handled in nüCharmed, it is possible to discuss these issues without co-signing anti-Blackness, etc. I also think that the two are not opposed. The desire to see original Black characters doesn't mean that when we get Anne Diop as Starfire, we should expect to deal with racism. Not only does it do harm to the actors, but to Black audiences as well.
@Jane-oz7pp Жыл бұрын
Starfire always seemed like an odd one to get mad about. Her comic skin is like a kind of orange-gold colour, not white lmao
@amandasunshine2 Жыл бұрын
I feel like race bending can become a problem if it becomes blackwashing. It feels insulting to dip a white toy in black paint and give it to a black child as if that's good enough
@isa_txo Жыл бұрын
Besides, seeing a bunch of adults complaining about a movie whose target market is 6-8 year olds is pretty ridiculous
@JubeiKibagamiFez Жыл бұрын
This is truth. Criticism and hatred needs to be separate.... very separate.... by a million miles.
@stapler942 Жыл бұрын
I'll say what probably goes without saying at this point: Halle Berry was a pretty good choice for Catwoman. Whatever problems the final film ended up with were not on her or the casting people. It's like picking up Eartha Kitt's torch, anyway. 😺
@memorian8472 Жыл бұрын
Jasmine having a song called "Speechless" in the live action film where she sings about how she's not speechless and is somehow more speechless than she ever was in the animated film will never not be hilarious to me.
@ARobinStory92 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that the entire song takes place inside her own head! 'You can't silence me, I'll speak out' she says to herself in her head XD
@memorian8472 Жыл бұрын
@@ARobinStory92 Oh my god yess!! I totally forgot!! and you know what's even more offensive.... the song sucks! Like damn you gave Jasmine an ultimately meaningless solo song and you didn't even bother to make it a banger?? Just wasting everyone's time...
@tecpaocelotl Жыл бұрын
I totally forgotten that song. My brain blanked it out, but you revived it. That was terrible.
@kharnzarro6308 Жыл бұрын
what i find hilarious(ly sad) is that after she gets done singing that song she immediately gets damseled and basically told to stfu
@Ghost-lt4sf Жыл бұрын
@@kharnzarro6308 I think that’s the moment in the movie I remember most often because that was so bad and so funny 😭😭😭
@Jojo-tf2zp Жыл бұрын
"Nuance does not mean both sides have a point, its about the subtle differences" That's really it right there. I would say this is one of those words the internet has beaten into meaning almost nothing. We've lost the definition. By definition nuance means you have to include the extra stuff. That's...just what it is.
@Gloomdrake Жыл бұрын
It's like how FOX news uses "Fair and Balanced" to give debunked conspiracies the same credence as the truth
@thrawncaedusl717 Жыл бұрын
Yes, including the subtle differences in why people don’t want a Black Ariel. All of the reasons may be bad, but even so they are all their own kind of and level of bad and grouping them together ignores nuance.
@bort6459 Жыл бұрын
Nuance that doesn't add to a point is hair splitting to distract from it. People who don't actually have enough of an argument to counter a position poke holes in one under the disguise of nuance but in reality is just using rhetoric to nihilate the actual point being made. For want of an actual argument, they reduce the case being made to nothingness. Eg: most people complaining about diversity and "wokeness" don't explicitly say "diversity bad" (hell, most will say some variation of "I have nothing against diversity), but their "nuanced takes" ultimately seek to make diversity meaningless. If diversity is meaningless than it serves no purpose and if it serves no purpose than the status quo (the one without diversity) staying the same is now the "logical" choice.
@marslara Жыл бұрын
@@bort6459 Yeah, they argue there's no need to "push" diversity which implies the default should be no diversity and that diversity is the outlier. Except they can't acknowledge by their own argument if diversity shouldn't matter, then it shouldn't affect them when it's there either
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Жыл бұрын
I was always confused how the internet used it because the meaning was lost 😭
@cassielcruzchavolla809 Жыл бұрын
People labelling diversity as inherently "woke" is one of the most annoying things to me .
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
It is so frustrating!
@enbyarchmage Жыл бұрын
If we define "woke" as "anything that even remotely pokes the White, patriarchal, cishet, ableist, etc. bubble that many people live in", then diversity IS, in fact, inherently "woke". Sadly, thus means that diversity would only be just that -diversity - if it were normalized in culture to such a degree that exclusionist views had little political power, something we all know isn't the case...
@Canuovea Жыл бұрын
Alas, given the reaction, I suppose it actually is woke, like minor baby woke, but still woke. If people reacted reasonably to it, then it wouldn't be woke, but given the furor... Ah well.
@cassielcruzchavolla809 Жыл бұрын
@@enbyarchmage well yeah but these people exist in reality, putting them on screen shouldn't be seen as inherently political. People existing is simply not a political statement. My worry with this is that by seeing everything through a purely political lense they're dehumanising people which encourages apathy when these groups are targeted. I think it's a genuinely harmful trend .
@enbyarchmage Жыл бұрын
@@cassielcruzchavolla809 As an ADHD/Autistic, nonbinary and Disabled person, i agree with you: my existence should not be seen as a divisive political statement. I just am, so i have as much right to be alive as an able-bodied neurotypical cishet, period. 😤 So many people put outright prejudice in the same level as mere differences of opinion... Liking or disliking a movie, a color or a style of clothing is a difference of opinion. Saying that Autistic people can/can't have real empathy, for instance, isn't. I'm using this particular example because I recently cut ties with a relative that, because I'm Autistic, outright denied that i have any real empathy whatsoever, as well as implied that I lacked the ability to properly read faces, social cues and context in general. When i expressed shock/anger at those completely wth statements, she said (among worse things) "oh, so you wanted me to LIE? To go against what I BELIEVE?" 🤬 So, yeah, sorry if I sounded like I was kinda excusing the "diversity is woke" mob. I might've chosen my words kinda badly 😅
@H.P.93 Жыл бұрын
I remember a book series I loved as a teenager, the Legend series by Marie Lu, had a main character who was of Mongolian descent but had blond hair and blue eyes. People kept referring to him as white or going after the author for describing him this way and she had to post pictures of actual people from Mongolia with naturally blond hair and blue eyes. Additionally, my biology teacher in high school was pacific islander. Her daughter was therefore half pacific islander, but happened to get all of the recessive traits and looked like her very pale, red haired father. People get so caught up on these stereotypes of how certain races or ethnicities look that they forget that genes can manifest in many different ways and make people look different than you'd expect. Having a certain hair color or facial structure, etc doesn't automatically make you a certain race or ethnicity. Just because someone has a eye or hair color usually associated with white people, doesn't mean that character is necessarily white. Loved the video!
@austinluther5825 Жыл бұрын
I always get a double-take when people find out I'm Puerto Rican. My family is of Corsican and Spanish descent, so there's a lot of lighter skin tones and hair colors. And my blue eyes come from my white mom. It's like since I don't look like whatever Latino stereotype lives in their head, they expect me to explain why I don't meet their very narrow expectations.
@mochabarbie3764 Жыл бұрын
@@austinluther5825 It's almost as if people are annoyed that you don't fit into a very bias ''look'' that has been assigned for different ethnicities.
@jeremias8889 Жыл бұрын
But that's literally what race is, white race is not an abstract idea, it's based on characteristics, black as you say, nobody says black just because it can mean "you're African American", it has to do with what you look like, and the mongols are from central asia, there is where the border between asian and white starts to happen and get confused. His example was bad.
@balaynganiyebe11 ай бұрын
@@jeremias8889 while it can be that simple, the complexities of genetics and biology play into it quite often
@AlexHider Жыл бұрын
In a sane world, this argument starts and ends with “can Halle pull off the vocals?” And the answer is “yes, she sings like an angel, she’s perfect for this”. But alas that is not a world we live in.
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
🙄
@OpalBLeigh Жыл бұрын
My first thought when I saw her in the commercial was “omg finally a live action lead who can actually sing the part”.
@balaynganiyebe11 ай бұрын
i don't think we should confuse trying to dismantle race with sanity, but i get the spirit
@selwatchesyt Жыл бұрын
My black mother had red hair until it inevitably turned gray. Thank you for acknowledging Black redheads exist. Every time a white fandom person goes on and on about how black people cant play redheads, I have to cringe bc of their ignorance.
@ijimenez1951 Жыл бұрын
Wow she has some rare genetics!! I have never seen a natural black red head, the closest I have met was a mixed friend who was red headed but she was more in the white side of the spectrum.
@Alina_Schmidt Жыл бұрын
I wonder how assumptions work into this. When I saw the picture I wondered „well, isn‘t that Black person in the middle redheaded?“. As in „or is it light brown“. I did not wonder this for the white person on the left in the picture.
@melodramatic7904 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! When I was growing up, there was a toddler in my area who was a natural red head. We all doted over her. 😍
@neuralmute Жыл бұрын
My Black step-gran (I am sadly melanin-deficient) had naturally red hair too. She was half Jamaican, half Scottish, and had naturally red hair, (at least before she started dying it!), and a face full of freckles. People mix things up, and Black redheads definitely exist. RIP, Gran.
@michellekholmatov9562 Жыл бұрын
@@ijimenez1951how often are you around blk folk? It’s rly not that rare. Most black Americans have a 10-20% European ancestry due to all the rape during slave times. So a lot of us have those genetics, just because you don’t see it often doesn’t mean it’s not there. We learn abt recessive and dominate genes in high school…
@caraxkins Жыл бұрын
I was absolutely stoked for the new Hallie Bailey little mermaid because I thought the music was going to be amazing, and I'm always tricked by the remakes into thinking that the costume design and story will have SOMETHING interesting to say. The teaser was sooooo dark and BORING. Everything besides Hallie was extremely "go girl, give us nothing," can you imagine if they had made a boring casting decision too? Truly no one would care about it.
@lindseystein9676 Жыл бұрын
It is very dark and boring. Hopefully it’s only the scene in the beginning with the shipwreck that’s set at night. Or she was in the shade briefly. I can’t imagine the entire movie would look like that, but you never know. It’s hard to tell based off of the 1 minute trailer, but judging off of past Disney remakes… I just hope they don’t screw this one up
@allyson87 Жыл бұрын
Of all the Disney animated movies, the little mermaid might be the worst for a live action remake. If cute fuzzy animals didn’t work, birds and sea creatures are going to be sooo much worse. Flounder was also in the trailer, but he’s just a fish… I’m sure the execs are very happy that the conversation is around Ariel’s skin color, and not the nightmare fuel of talking fish and one of the sidekicks being chased around a kitchen and nearly boiled alive…
@erikrungemadsen2081 Жыл бұрын
I just worry about Flounder and Sebastian getting trapped in the uncanny valley, and comming out like some kind of Eldritch horror.
@Alice-gr1kb Жыл бұрын
@@erikrungemadsen2081 oh god please don’t make me picture that
@espeon871 Жыл бұрын
@@lindseystein9676 i hope its good cuz i love halle and it wld be an absolute crime
@damianoakes2592 Жыл бұрын
The thing with Starfire is interesting because she's always been ambiguous in her racial coding, where she could easily be read as a black character. Even in the 2000s animated series there's the episode "Troq" where we see her deal with racial prejudice (the scene where she explains what it means makes me cry every time). So getting mad about her being played by a black actress has nothing to do "respecting how the character has been traditionally portrayed" or whatever, it's just straight anti-blackness.
@joelle4226 Жыл бұрын
It makes no sense to me, like she’s an alien…getting mad that she’s played by a black character is just openly anti-black
@suezcontours6653 Жыл бұрын
@@joelle4226 Besides, these characters were made in the 60's where they likely mandated for there to be less black characters or none at all. It's not like they can bring the same 12 black characters to every comic team up... Like I was confused when they brought over Cyborg to Doom Patrol instead of the Titans series. They probably realized that they needed to diversify and plucked Cyborg into Doom Patrol to fill their quota but that show ROCKS!!!!!
@crazierthanusince96 Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this comment, thank you! I’m like, am I the only one familiar with the original source material?? Even the way she was illustrated (feature wise) in a lot of earlier comics could easily be seen to be coded as POC if not outright black. People are dumb smh
@abitsourrrrsorry4885 Жыл бұрын
Even Raven seems like she's a bit ambiguous. From what I know, she wore sari in the old titans comics. Though I don't think it's a confirmation about her ethnicity and background. But it feels like a downright appropriation if raven was supposed to be white
@damianoakes2592 Жыл бұрын
@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 Yes, the jewel on her forehead also could be read as a bindi
@shanisokay Жыл бұрын
It's also annoying because plenty of white actors that play redheads aren't even real redheads! Why is it fine for them to dye it for the role but not a black actress? It's so transparent.
@espeon871 Жыл бұрын
LITERALLY
@FadzaiSimango Жыл бұрын
Yup! No one complained when Scar Jo dyed her blonde hair red to play Black Widow in the very popular and extremely mainstream MCU movies.
@jackdoyle7453 Жыл бұрын
Aye, maybe people shouldn't be okay with dyeing hair or wearing wigs, particularly with regard to gingers who could be seen as a minority.
@jackdoyle7453 Жыл бұрын
@Day aye you're right. I think it is clear that racists use it as a bad faith "cover" to attack the casting of black actors. It does though seem that there is a unconscious bias that of "white" characters redheads are seen as the most replaceable.
@jackdoyle7453 Жыл бұрын
@Day Interesting comment. Though I agree the redhead issue is clearly being used as cover by racists. I do think their is an argument that redheads fall under the definition of race in ways other hair colours do not. That does however open a general point should people dye their hair at all? On your second point I don't disagree with you that colourism is an issue. I think there is also a issue around casting Black British and American actors in roles that supposed to be african rather than say Nollywood stars. I think as the video mention this all ultimately comes down to the bankability of a performer, as that is Disney ultimate concern in its films.
@technojunkie123 Жыл бұрын
Only thing I thought of when they casted Hallie as Ariel was “thank god they finally cast someone who could sing”. I still get flashbacks of Emma Watson’s horrible auto tune 😱
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
🙄
@espeon871 Жыл бұрын
I was happy that she was getting her bag tbh
@extrashotofespresso_ Жыл бұрын
FACTS! I love Emma Watson but I was so surprised when I found out she’d be playing Belle. I was thinking “since when homegirl could sing?” and then I watched the movie and the answer was never.🥴
@lucyskyler21 Жыл бұрын
"nuance does not mean both sides have a point" is something I've never been able to verbalise but it's spot on, thanks so much
@nesbar2001 Жыл бұрын
As a redhead, I appreciate you identifying the problems with how red haired characters can be depicted in media and will agree that "red hair erasure" isn't a claim made in good faith but simply a poorly masked anti-Black argument.
@thrawncaedusl717 Жыл бұрын
I mostly agree, but there are some instances (ie the call to race bend the Weasleys) where it does feel like people want to erase marginalized subgroups of white people. It’s definitely overblown and does not apply to Ariel, but things like that (and some of the rhetoric around Black Cyclops, because how could a white person ever experience discrimination and hatred, right?) does have a kernel of truth.
@MarshallTheArtist Жыл бұрын
Are you female? Red hair erasure applies mostly to men, especially main characters, and especially on the big screen.
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
I found a long list of racebent redheads and yeah, it's always only brought up by racists who don't want black people on screen. I'd love to read more about this "pattern" but I can't find a single person genuinely talking about the redheads. I'd like to see a well researched video about it but it would attract racists. Is it because it's easier to replace one minority with another one (than one of the hundred white characters)? How does characterization of redheads and black people overlap? Lots of clichés like being outgoing, confident and "untrustworthy" or "violent" are attributed to both groups. Does that have anything to do with it? How often does this actually happen, is it really a pattern, or are people taking it out of context. All of these would be interesting to see. But no, the only time it's brought up it's "black people stealing roles". As if any of these people actually cared about redheads before this.
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
@@MarshallTheArtist If it applies mostly to men why are people complaining mostly about female characters? Mary Jane Watson, Starfire, Miss Martian, Iris West, Hawkgirl, Batgirl, Triss Merigold? Male characters have Kid Flash. Jimmy Olsen, Bow from She-ra. Everyone lists many more female characters
@StarlightPrism Жыл бұрын
For real. Especially when you take into account that some of the characters, like Ariel, don't even have natural shades of red hair. And many of the white women who get those roles aren't natural redheads.
@siouxbanshee Жыл бұрын
Loved your talk about anime representation because I was getting so irritated during the Ghost in the Shell controversy because everyone was saying "she is a robot" when her name is Matoko Kusanagi and "people in Japan were okay with it" when they have their own film industry where they seem themselves represented all the time and don't care about a silly anime live action adaptation with a white woman in the lead the way that a Japanese American would care
@pheonixrises11 Жыл бұрын
thank you so much, I was very uncomfortable with the movie adaptation because I had seen the show as a kid (I probably shouldn’t have, though, lol), and knew it was set in Japan, yet the lead was being played by a white actress (and the movie doesn’t feel like it’s set in Japan either but I’m not sure?). It’s frustrating because there will always be an excuse for the actor to be white (like in the movie her Japanese woman soul is put in a white woman robot body… wtf? I also just can’t recommend the movie based off its plot). I was satisfied with To All The Boys I’ve Loved Before casting an asian actress instead of a white actress for a half korean half white main character, even though I always hope for such characters to be played by mixed race actors (being half Japanese half white myself).
@megamillion5852 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this post! I still haven't gotten over that fiasco... It's ridiculous how these types who supposedly "don't care about race" will fight for every reason to have a white person play a POC, but will unanimously forfeit that same leverage for POC. Blatant racism and hipocrisy.
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@finland4ever55 Жыл бұрын
The thing is that even the creator said "he never saw her as specifically japanese" yet he literally gave her a Japanese name. Her name is not Major, that is her rank. Her moniker. Let's talk about the anti singaporean sentiment of te netflix cowboy bebop. Faye is Singsporean but they made her Mexican. Even though in this case Latinas are privileged. Not singaporeans. The only singaporean I can think of is Crazy Rich Asians. And not only is Daniella's comments to criticisms of the comment awful and rude, but she also implied anti Singaporean feelings too when she sad "not the Faye from the anime"
@-BigTMoney- Жыл бұрын
If you watched the anime, Matoko Kusanagi is using a white female body, with blue eyes. At the end of them movie when she is laying next to the Puppetmaster who is using the female body but with blonde hair. Part of the reason Matoko Kusanagi uses the white female body is it is a kink for powerful Japanese men to want to sleep with a white women, not said in the anime but is just something that is known in the Japanese's culture
@harriyanna Жыл бұрын
what takes me out the most is that disney in fact DOES make original work about poc. so the argument of "why can't we just get original disney characters of color" is already out the window cause they are WRONG.
@toasturhztoastbunz896 Жыл бұрын
Agree. I personally feel it's more of a matter of **actually properly advertising them** instead of creating them. Because man, for how surprisingly large POC starring media is out there, the marketing material for many of them are so poor and scarce.
@dg4545 Жыл бұрын
Poc?
@helenl3193 Жыл бұрын
@@dg4545 POC = Person/people Of Colour BIPOC = Black, Indigenous and other People of Colour
@dolanminaj2381 Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY! They definitely dont have the best history when it comes to diversity (DUH) but in the last couple of years they have been creating more diverse films and more of their upcoming films are also diverse. Like the new movie “Wish” coming out next year.
@cosmicspacething3474 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wish they would just stop milking their old films in general
@myragroenewegen5426 Жыл бұрын
I think making Arial black is one of Disney's more interesting moments. Let's remember that one of the key innovations in the original Little Mermaid was calypso music, which gives a fun island and sea vibe and also gives meaningful context to these mermaids being black people.
@justsomenuts Жыл бұрын
I'm interested in the movie, despite disney botching every single live action remake. TLM is been my favorite disney movie since I saw it in theaters at 4 years old. I'm white and I'm excited about the casting. I think she's a fantastic pick. The only thing I'm worried about is disney trying and failing to "feminism" the movie. they don't know what the fuck they're doing. I always took Ariel as dealing with Ursula because she's a human-weeaboo, not "for a man." But i'm a big old queer and never paid much attention to Eric beyond "he's okay, i guess"
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, the feminism is 60-40 gonna be a mess. Because they gave us that Charlotte Rousse prom dress in Beauty &the Beast for feminism. >.< I was like we can give her a realistic waist and a GOWN.
@Gloomdrake Жыл бұрын
People seem to forget that she wanted to experience the human world _long_ before she knew Eric existed, and that Eric was ultimately just a bonus
@HelenaIsis616 Жыл бұрын
@@Princess_Weekes Not to mention, Emma Watson said no corset because “body positivity”, completely ignoring fashion history and the fact that it unnoticeable that she wasn’t wearing a corset, anyway.
@jalondradavis1565 Жыл бұрын
That part. You can’t really add anything to the story in its existing frame to make it more modern. The original fairy tale centers female desire and I say just lean into that. I feel like they’re going to beef up Eric and the romance and that’s the wrong direction because by trying to make him more “worth it” makes it more about him. Because the princes in the older Disney films were so flat and unremarkable it made it easier to read the films more subversively- the guy was clearly a smokescreen for the thing the heroine desired. Ariel literally turns the whole ocean upside down because she goes after something she wants. As a girl being socialized to be submissive and deny my desires that was the key thing about TLM that spoke to me, not pining after the boy. Now there’s something very colonial about her human obsession with the religious context of the original fairy tale removed but that’s another conversation…
@suezcontours6653 Жыл бұрын
@@Princess_Weekes 5:00 That's the wrong clip you used. Her vocals sound off. And as a black woman, myself, I can't defend Queen Selina's casting. Sorry but this is 2 for 2 for Noma Dumezweni, she just isn't attractive to mainstream viewers. Audra McDonald from The Gilded Age is a better choice. She's a Broadway singer, then let her be from behind the scenes, not in front of the camera. Sorry but we need to support this movie as much as possible and Hollywood is about BEAUTY while Broadway is about performance and high brow people will overlook her appearance and appreciate her craft. 13:30 Yeah, why do vampire stories ad Star Wars always feature BRUNETTES instead of blondes or red heads? If Elena is supposed to be blonde, aren't brunette chicks biased in this type of gatekeeping? 21:45 I don't care if Tiana was white. I hated that she was a frog 80% of the movie AND it feeds into the strong independent black woman trope. If whites want her, they can have her. A trade Tiana for Ariel sounds fair.
@lmaololroflcopter Жыл бұрын
A right-wing commentator (can’t remember his name right now) once said that Hollywood has been “captured by leftism” and I couldn’t stop laughing at the inanity of that statement.
@yuenmienyu Жыл бұрын
considering how many racial, gender and sexuality stereotypes there are in mainstream tv & film
@indigothecat Жыл бұрын
"Color-blind casting" is sometimes employed in Plays, Operas, and Musicals because there are lots of talented live performers of color, but not a lot of roles that specifically call for people of color, so this is a way to ensure we get to see people of all backgrounds on stage and in leading roles. (It can occasionally allow for a white actor to play a role normally given to a person of color, but that's extremely rare and done in regions where the population of POC is very small.) I'm glad you brought up the need for more original BIPOC characters. There is a HUGE untapped plethora of interesting and cultural legends, mythologies, fairytales, folklore, and books from POC from all over the world and even right here in the USA that would make for excellent media and content that centers POC. For example, Egyption and Vodou (Voodoo) Mythology are NOT the only mythological traditions and cultures that hail from Africa. Yoruba, Zulu, and Nyanga are just 3 more of them. It's not that there's a lack of stories to tell from POC Culture, it's just there's a lack of people with the power to massively publish and retell the stories who are willing to do it. Just a funny comment to relate to your discussion about Anime, in the Lucky Star Anime, all the girls are light skinned with a variety of hair colors and eye colors, some natural, some not, a lot of them most common on white people, but the characters are Japanese, except there is 1 foreign exchange student character with a very American name. She gets blonde hair, blue eyes, and larger breasts, and is defined as an "otaku." It almost feels meta in a way because they are using fantasy hair and eye colors for the Japanese characters, but not the 1 American character.
@pheonixrises11 Жыл бұрын
in anime the white transfer student is always blonde, and the half white half Japanese character is also often blonde. it’s kind of funny because the different hair colors are to differentiate characters, and the only way character designers can think of helping viewers remember which one isn’t full Japanese is to make them blonde. I was actually reading rosario x vampire and even though her hair is colored pink on the cover, there’s a moment where Moka’s hair is described as brown (aka a normal Japanese hair color, lol)
@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Жыл бұрын
@@pheonixrises11 Is Lucy from Fairy Tail Wasian?
@SlapstickGenius23 Жыл бұрын
@@pheonixrises11 I think Moka probably dyes her brown hair pink quite frequently. Hoo boy!
@MrTwentington Жыл бұрын
I saw a video some time ago from a black conservative creator who tried doing the whole redhead to black actress pipeline argument and that this was actually bad for redheads. And as a ginger I was like…. No. Ariel the cartoon character still exists. Ariel in this movie was given red hair. And I’ve seen many people fancast white redhead actresses in the role but for a while it was a popular fan cast to use Sophie Turner- she seems to exclusively get work when she’s a redhead but she’s a natural blonde. You can’t tell me the same vomit emojis and hashtag not my Ariel and massive influx of thumbs down on trailers would’ve happened if they hired a white girl who is naturally a blonde or brunette and dyed her hair red for the role or used a wig. Or screw it, they could’ve hired a blonde and kept her blonde and I know it still wouldn’t have happened. Plus- Halle Bailey is beautiful she has an angelic face and voice to match, she looks right to be a Disney princess but we have to be realistic and acknowledge no one in the world looks like Ariel. No one has a body like that eyes like that and naturally has fire truck red hair.
@MrTwentington Жыл бұрын
Oh and my argument to “what if Tiana was white?” I say okay. If that’s the logic you want, make Tiana white and make every white princess not white and the imbalance in representation may start to make sense
@firstnamelastname7708 Жыл бұрын
You’ve made some fantastic points, Connor. Thank you!
@abitsourrrrsorry4885 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if Sophie Turner could deliver an emotion as good as Halle when she's signing lmaao. One thing I know for sure, you can't replicate a voice as good as Halle with autotune. They should learn from mistake once they hear Emma Watson singing. It's obvious being white does not equal better. I'm so excited for Halle!
@MrTwentington Жыл бұрын
@@abitsourrrrsorry4885 to be fair to the Sophie turner idea I do think she’s a beautiful woman and I think the rationale was if they did it different and it isn’t a musical but as a musical you need to have a voice and Halle has that and then some
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
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@GraveyardMaiden Жыл бұрын
Honestly the issue with casting Bailey as Ariel is that it turns into a form of exploitation of her blackness as a scape goat to why the live action film did bad. As well as this "colored blind" approach of race swapping characters ignores systematic and culture differences that ethnic groups deal with. Ontop of that it doesn't create a solid representation for minority groups when the character is just poc in a one of film but white everywhere else afterwards. Had this be a new retelling of the fairy tale than just a slightly edit version of the Disney animation it would have less of these issues
@mhawang8204 Жыл бұрын
I get what you’re saying, but in this case, the character is a mythical creature, so swapping race has less significance in terms of cultural differences. For comparison, Mulan has a deeper root in Chinese culture and race swapping that character makes less sense. As for being the scape goat it’s unfortunate I’m this media criticism landscape. If the movie is good, the critics will shut up; if it turns out bad, they will yell “woke trash.” *Minorities can’t fail.* But which is why we need more representation until it’s normalized - some mediocre, some great, just like all other movies featuring white people.
@GraveyardMaiden Жыл бұрын
@@mhawang8204 I get your point with it being a fairy tale, and that it shouldn't really matter compared to historical fiction like Mulan, but in terms of just taking characters amd race swapping with out putting into consideration of the ethnic group you're changing them two still just makes this sort of cultural white washing, if that makes sense. Now as for the scape goating, it does more harm to poc actors and will make their career harder than for white actors if a project fails because they're getting sole blame for it based on their race alone, and producers won't hire them because of their race being the scape goat for their previous project's failure
@cbismarck07 Жыл бұрын
I see representation as just an effect in this context. Disney went with colorblind casting, and Halle just had the best impression on them. Otherwise, they wouldn't let white women audition. I'm happy black children and Ariel fans, including me, feel even more connected to the character, but at the end of the day, her ethnicity is completely irrelevant to the plot.
@GraveyardMaiden Жыл бұрын
@@cbismarck07 tbh colorblind casting would be ok with characters with no set racial background, but with a live action adaptation of an IP that's had already cemented how characters look in pop culture for decades, a colorblind approach for casting leads to the problems mentioned above. Actor's ethnicity ends up getting exploited and turned into a scapegoat for possible failure, little is done to protect them from media backlash. Ontop of that the representation is just a one off that gets forgotten when the next new movie comes out. Also if you show this film to a black kid 10 years from now they'll ask "Why is Ariel white everywhere else" and "why can't I find any dolls of black Ariel at the store"
@steelplatedheart Жыл бұрын
Why are you saying "a scapegoat as to why the live action film did bad" it hasn't even come out yet. Are you just assuming it will fail?
@Sashakawaiicat Жыл бұрын
I’ve been saying this forever but literally every black person would rather have original black characters, people are just tired of the racism that happens whenever they cast a black actor to play originally white characters. Like whenever I have these types of conversations people approach me like they think I’m watching any of these Disney cash grab remakes. Black actors need roles as well, and unless they start hiring more black creators and investing in original black content be prepared for a lot of raceswapping, especially in this era of continuous reboots/remakes. Despite all this not much has even changed, pocs are still very much the least represented.
@mackthompson616 Жыл бұрын
8:32 red hair discrimination derives from anti-Irish discrimination, but has been much less impactful since anti-Irish sentiments have gone down and Irish have been accepted as a part of the white majority race instead of a mostly-invisible minority. As anti-ginger hate has died down (but not disappeared!!) ofc people will want to make changes to maintain that position of “this character is discriminated against because of their hair and [presumed in gingers’ case] race/ethnicity” so of course initially-white gingers like Annie and Ariel are prime candidates for the “we’re woke see here’s diversity” adaptation race changes
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
I think the anti-Irish discrimination aspect is interesting and important. The reason I didn't bring it up here is that if Ariel were Irish or if any of these characters were red-haired for ethnic reasons, it would be more of a conversation worth having in *this* particular discourse, and again-some Black people have Irish ancestry (myself included). But thank you for adding this, and it is something I do plan on talking about eventually in another video having to do with how media makes some white ethnic groups "exotic."
@kiera6646 Жыл бұрын
Ariel isn’t really a ginger though? She has bright red mermaid hair.
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
@@kiera6646 People tend to generalize redheds and gingers into the same group. It's like the "mix-race" thing, most people don't realize it. Especially in media when it's much more difficult to showcase someone's actual traits
@harrietamidala1691 Жыл бұрын
Interestingly, red hair was also viewed as a stereotypical Jewish trait in many parts of Europe in the past, so much so that a red haired character was coded to be Jewish in literature and art.
@harrietamidala1691 Жыл бұрын
@@Princess_Weekes oh, yes, the ever evolving standard of who is included in the white club, signed a Jewish woman.
@markkoehr5003 Жыл бұрын
I also find it weird the amount of people that were trying to start beef between Halle Bailey and Jodi Benson. Even though Benson has been nothing but supportive of Bailey’s casting as Ariel.
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
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@finland4ever55 Жыл бұрын
Yup. People have been bullying Jodi and making up lies and conspiracy theories about her like her voice is awful or that she's the fake Ariel. What og vas will be targeted next? Paige O'Hara? Idina Menzel? Lea Salonga? If so, we need to protect them.
@williamtorruella8048 Жыл бұрын
I was so confused when ppl were crying redhead erasure. I’m from Puerto Rico and red headed black people are common enough that theres has a name for it. It was clearly not about that from the beginning. I’m glad you called it out early on, bc it’s such a dumb argument. Love your videos. Keep up the amazing work.
@marcelosantaana871 Жыл бұрын
This a real easy issue, Korey from double toasted put it perfectly “people say man there aint no black mermaids, bro there aint no mermaids”
@tygereltringham8050 Жыл бұрын
I was apart of the problem when I first heard Ariel would be black. I was a little red head born in ‘96, so Ariel was obviously my GIRL! But after a moment of reflection, the new Ariel isn’t taking anything away from old Ariel. I still have her, and if theres a new generation of babies that can have the same relationship with new Ariel I am so excited and happy for them to experience this.
@FuzzyKittenBoots Жыл бұрын
I grew up with the original fairytale and only saw the Disney version in the form of the tv-series that takes place before the movie and thus I didn't make the connection. When I finally did see the movie and realised that Ariel was supposed the be THE Little Mermaid I hated it. So much. I love fairytales so much and despise the Disneyfication of them that then always end up being the original in people's minds. But at the same time retelling fairytales is what is keeping them alive and might make them more accessible to children whose parents don't have the time, the energy or even the will to read the often rather tragic or even grim (but also beautiful) stories of H.C. Andersen. And exactyl like you say, they're still there, no one is taking them away by retelling them.
@waywardmind Жыл бұрын
That's a fantastic perspective to have!
@thrawncaedusl717 Жыл бұрын
To be fair to those who have these feelings, there is something that is being lost. It is unlikely Disney doubles its production of The Little Mermaid merchandise, so there will very likely be less of the “white Ariel” merchandise. Further, a future animated D+ show with “white Ariel” is significantly less likely now because of inevitable backlash. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are other small ways that we see less of “white Ariel” in the future. It’s not much, but pretending nothing is lost and ignoring that there is a small reason people feel like they are losing something is unfair and a bad start to the dialogue.
@dirthousegirl Жыл бұрын
@@thrawncaedusl717 lmfaooo you know typing "i'm racist, and i dont want ariel to be black" would've been shorter and less on the nose right? considering how many hateful racist people, such as yourself have been vehemently against Hallie as Ariel, I'm sure disney will do their best to pretend the black version of ariel doesnt exist. you'll be OK!
@FuzzyKittenBoots Жыл бұрын
@@thrawncaedusl717 Have you noticed have Belle still looks exactly like the cartoon on merchandise? As do Jasmine, as do Mulan, as do Aurora? Disney avoid modelling their merchandise after real actresses because it’s much more expensive.
@taylorwilliams4847 Жыл бұрын
They’re definitely going with a brandy Cinderella thing with the casting. Ariel sisters rumored actresses are a bunch of different races. And I actually think queen Selene is Eric’s mom. We saw her in a gown and crown on land on set
@marinawilson3337 Жыл бұрын
Red hair prejudice is also related to anti Irish sentiment showing how the concept of ‘white’ is exclusionary and will be used as a weapon against anyone. Great video by the way!
@SamSullyV Жыл бұрын
Great video. Unfortunately we live in a world where history constantly affects us while so many people are also simultaneously ignorant of it.
@sillyladtan Жыл бұрын
it's been one of the most frustrating things to witness as i've gotten older
@booksvsmovies Жыл бұрын
As someone who spent an afternoon charting every single comic book character, I could think of, who was race-bent black in adaptations and contrasted it with every single redhead comic character whose hair colour was changed in adaptations I feel like this particular granular conversation was made for me. After spending time looking at the numbers I can tell you with confidence the people crying "redhead erasure" are insincere. More often than not white people are driving this erasure and even then almost every single character whose famously a redhead in comics is portrayed as such in adaptations.
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
I found a long list of racebent redheads and I'd honestly say the biggest issue is that this is only brought up by racists who don't want black people on screen. I'd love to read about this "pattern" but I can't find a single person genuinely talking about the redheads. I'd like to see a well researched video about it but it would attract racists. Is it because it's easier to replace one minority with another one (than one of the hundred white characters)? How does characterization of redheads and black people overlap? Lots of clichés like being outgoing, confident and "untrustworthy" or "violent" are attributed to both groups. Does that have anything to do with it? How often does this actually happen, is it really a pattern, or are people taking it out of context. All of these would be interesting to see. But no, the only time it's brought up it's "black people stealing roles". As if any of these people actually cared about redheads before this.
@MarshallTheArtist Жыл бұрын
Daredevil had red hair in the comics, but not on TV, nor in the cinema. Hollywood won’t allow a male superhero on the screen with red hair, unless it’s a cartoon, because to either Hollywood execs or to the fanbase, we aren’t real people. Female redheads are fetishized, just kinky sex-objects to Hollywood, and can therefore be front and center, because sex sells!
@thrawncaedusl717 Жыл бұрын
Can you share a basic summary of your research? It would be good for me to be able to actually explain it to people instead of just saying “someone on the internet told me”.
@booksvsmovies Жыл бұрын
@ThrawnCaedus L Maybe research is a strong word. But it basically amounted to a spreadsheet documenting every single comic book character I know of that has been race bent in live-action adaptations. I specifically focused on characters that were white in the comics that were played by black actors when adapted to give myself parameters. Then I made a corresponding list of every redhead character of significance that has appeared in a live-action adaptation. This was actually the most fascinating part of the process and through it, I learned so many random fun facts about Jimmy Olsen in particular. Conflicting comic book guides listing a character as red-haired and brunette sent me spiralling down rabbit holes. Seriously, I spent way too much time thinking about the difference between auburn and brunette and strawberry vs dirty blonde. The biggest problem I came across throughout this process was term definitions. Questions like “can alien characters with non-human skin colours even /be/ race-bent?” or “how do we classify characters taking on the mantle of a white character while having their own unique identity?” haunted me. Overall my conclusion after this was that there has been a long history of race-bending characters in comic book adaptations (close to 60 years of it at this point). And while race bending has increased in recent years there is no tangible correlation between characters being race bent as black and said characters originally having red hair. Redheads in comics truly aren’t more likely to be “erased” by black people and almost every single major redhead in comics has been represented as such in their live-action adaptations (there have even been a few characters that weren't originally redheads portrayed as such in adaptations). Most commonly when a redhead character is "erased" on screen they are being played by a white person. Just know that my research process was incredibly informal and guided by my own knowledge and fan-run wikis, databases and a handful of compendiums published by Marvel and DC. I don’t claim to be an authority and I’m sure there’re massive gaps in my knowledge. But these are just my personal conclusions
@thrawncaedusl717 Жыл бұрын
@@booksvsmovies no problem, I wasn’t expecting a doctoral level thesis, haha. I would still appreciate a simple, three category (redhead who stayed redhead, redhead no longer but still white, and redhead changed to black) breakdown, if that is something you could easily provide (just numbers and two or three examples of each would be great, if it’s not too much trouble)?
@isabellajaimie Жыл бұрын
Been feeling the same way for years now. We (BIPOC in general) deserve to tell our own stories, to share our own gifts and have our actors not have to deal with so much hatred they've been knowingly set up to deal with. It feels like they're filling a quota and calling that enough. But the gates are still well kept and its still not nearly as diverse as they're trying to pretend.
@pagodrink Жыл бұрын
I know I've commented this on a different video before, but this same type of phenomenon that bothered me about people talking about Miles Morales, especially before the Spiderverse movie came out. It's okay if you think the earlier version of the character was lacking in some way, (note: I haven't read any Morales comics, but people have described him as lacking in personality, so which I can't either confirm or deny) or if you feel like writers don't handle Miles well as a black character. But you can't just ignore Comicsgate, the people calling Marvel woke just for having a black Spiderman or that the inspiration for Miles was Donald Glover, who himself said in a stand up that people got mad for even the suggestion that a Spiderman, let alone Peter Parker, could be played by him.
@lawrencescales9864 Жыл бұрын
I’ve read some of his comics/comics with him and found him to be on par with Peter and Spider Gwen in terms of depth. So, meh, because superhero titles are all pretty meh to atrocious right now. Fanboys will say it’s because the comics are “”woke.”” But superhero comics are trying to compete with much more diverse and well written creator owned books and manga titles. The problem for marvel and dc is the quality. If diversity was an issue creator owned books would not be doing better than they are. I can’t speak to manga- notably, the most popular- but whether readers view the characters as white or Japanese is unclear to me, and I can’t say how much that factors into their popularity when so many other factors contributed to the rise of manga in America.
@Moonlitwatersofaqua Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencescales9864 About Manga and Anime, It can be a weird racism pipeline for people. Most people in Anime are Japanese. Its from Japan so of course its like that. We all kind of know that consciously on some level. Asian artists don't go and overemphasize the eyes like Western artists do to make it clear the character are Asian. This has the effect of making the characters look either asian or white. And since most of the characters are like this, a lot of western anime and manga fans will consume Japanese media and think they are not racist because they consume media starring Asians. But in reality are seeing these characters as white, and are effectively consuming less diverse media than they would be if they were watching western media. Anime becomes a way for people to not have to watch media with diversity. Its a way to not have parasocial relationships with poc. Orientalism is also at play here, but that is a tangeant. In my own experience, the white people I have known who are deep into anime often have an incredibly poor understanding of institutionalized racism. They often do not understand why having poc representation in media is important and are very dismissive of complaints poc have of representation and they are very resistant to engaging in any form of introspection. Its not shocking to me that, like videogames, anime has also become an alt right pipeline for a lot of people.
@travisbewley7084 Жыл бұрын
It really just shows people's priorities. People are OK with a superman that kills people, but not OK with a black Superman. Like, pretty sure the not killing people is far more important to his charecter then him being white.
@JoyfullyShea-Marcella Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, I heard from someone who worked on the movie, that Queen Selina is not going to be Ariel's mother. Hopefully, I'm allowed to say that... well they didn't ask me to keep it a secret so maybe it's okay to say it lol
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
Ohhhhhhhh interesting!!!
@Mr_Parodix Жыл бұрын
Noma Dumezweni (Queen Selina) is confirmed to play Eric's mother.
@junjunjamore7735 Жыл бұрын
I was about to say, Ariel's mom's name (in the prequel) is Athena.
@natwixterthan18 Жыл бұрын
I find is extremely frustrating that black female characters seem to be almost shunned in the film and tv industry. It's almost as if studios are afraid to make original black female characters because there's ALWAYS backlash. While I understand the frustrations from people who were upset about Princess and the Frog, I've watched it as an adult and the movie is great overall. It's possible that the harsh criticism has probably deterred Disney from making any more original black female princesses. Whether black girls or women are side characters, or main characters, the attacks never seem to stop. Just look at what happened to Leah Jeffries and she's only the side character of the main character Percy Jackson. I wonder if things will change with Asha
@sambeawesome Жыл бұрын
Loved this video, thank you for sharing your thoughts! Ariel was, and always will be, a redhead. Just this time, she's black. I can't see any reason to be against her casting. And seeing all those young black girls reacting to the trailer, man, if you didn't shed a tear, I don't know what to tell you. I'm so glad more and more kids can get to see themselves on screen. It really is so important.
@Trynsa Жыл бұрын
I'm multiracial, and a redhead. I would like to add, I have felt both the sting of assumptions about temper, and the weird aspect of people fetishizing me because of it. People often see those with red hair as extremely sexualized, and it's been frustrating.
@joeannchaney1219 Жыл бұрын
I watched her video and it was LAUGHABLE. I became a subbie of the person she made a response video to. When he said some of these same things he was attacked by her zealot followers. She is the UK Candance OwensI hope that she sees your video, because it is so good. Thank you for covering it.
@ishathakor Жыл бұрын
finally an actually nuanced take about this. i watched the same video by patience xina and i saw so many people praising her for her nuance and i just couldn't put into words why all of that felt so hollow to me.
@stampede274 Жыл бұрын
First: white redheads are overrepresented in media, and diverse casting is an inherently good thing. I am enthusiastically behind nearly every single case where this has happened. That said, I do wonder if the current trend of casting *specifically* Black actors as *specifically* redheaded characters might have something to do with similar stereotypes? I feel like that's worth at least unpacking, even though we all agree that it's a positive change.
@WebofHope Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the upcoming Percy Jackson series and race-bending Annabeth, just because from what I've read it's been done for what seem like the right reasons; Originally she was written as Blonde to combat the 'dumb blonde' trope, and now 20 years later they cast a black girl to combat something of the same trope now that 'dumb blonde' has kinda died off. Series ain't out yet so no idea how it plays out, and as a white person I'm not the right voice to say whether or not those reasons *are* the right reasons, but I'll be watching to see the dialogue about it for sure. The actual dialogue, not the sugar-coated racism.
@FransHattingh Жыл бұрын
As a pale-skinned (seriously, I'm practically translucent) redhead, I'm confused as to how to react to inflammatory articles and essays regarding the supposed replacement of one underrepresented minority (redheads) with another underrepresented "minority" (i.e. any actor who isn't melanin-challenged). Am I supposed to be outraged because I fail to be. As a lifelong fan of "The Little Mermaid" (both the Hans Christian Andersen story and the Disney retelling), I love that Halle Bailey will play Ariel. Why? Have you SEEN Halle? Her beauty is ethereal and her singing voice is BEYOND gorgeous. She was MADE for this role. In the decade prior to the announcement of her being cast, when rumours were flying fast and furious online about who was being cast as Ariel - under the mistaken belief that many people had when it in fact WASN'T a Disney live action adaptation but instead an adaptation of the original fairy tale which was to be directed by Sophia Coppola. In any case, every single choice of actor these people had for the role of Ariel did not jel with me. And they were ALL white. When the casting of Halle was announced, I took one look at her face and saw Ariel. I don't know how to explain it, but she just did it for me. I rushed to listen to her sing and... good god! I was blown away. I don't understand how anyone can disapprove of her. We have now seen that she is redhead in the movie, so we redheads can relax. I for one cannot wait to see the film next year. I will be the first at the theatre at its very first showing, mark my words! Just my two cents. ✌
@sillyladtan Жыл бұрын
yooo i had pretty much the same reaction! i thought i swore off disney live actions because for the most part ive found them ass. i originally wasnt gonna bother with TLM either but honestly after seeing how halle bailey carries herself, and hearing her SING???? there is something so captivating about her vocals that makes my soul cry in happiness unlike any other artist. i cant explain it either it's really weird admittedly, so i just find it frustrating how people can get so caught up in something as trivial as skin color and overlook literally every other aspect that has the box ticked
@saltcaramel9083 Жыл бұрын
Patience Xina. You can say her name. She’s a British Black woman who acts as a mouthpiece for American conservatism. She made a video defending racial preferences, talked about people “leaving the political left”, and is one of the many people speaking ill on Harry and Megan. More people need to call her out. Love the video by the way.🥰
@spilledteaissadtea3037 Жыл бұрын
Oof I do not like that girl. I tried talking to one of her fans and they accused that my criticism of her video was me “talking over the experience of a black women “🙄 (mind you I’m black myself and also that’s not what her original video was about) She’s a grifter and I know it because when she got criticism from Noah Samsen, she tried to paint Noah’s entire criticism (which is the exact same as Princess Weekes mind you) as a white man telling a black women how to feel. Anyone who watched his video would know that’s not what he did and that’s why every convo I have with Patients fans keep accusing me of “being dismissive of her lived experience” and in the next video you have using right wing apologia. Fun lady.
@saltcaramel9083 Жыл бұрын
@@spilledteaissadtea3037 Ooh. Couldn’t have been me I would’ve been livid. I just can’t stand how she used her Blackness as a shield. FD Signifier made it clear that he couldn’t criticize her because, like Noah, he isn’t a Black woman, and I just find it all to be so stupid. If I, as a Black woman, spout conservative nonsense and base my platform around said conservative nonsense, I don’t then get to weaponize my Blackness against others who are rightfully criticizing me for spreading misinformation. Also, I hate that people consider her video “apolitical”. That’s not a thing.
@spilledteaissadtea3037 Жыл бұрын
@@saltcaramel9083 her entire KZbin channel basically boils down to “ Enlighten Centrist” or as I like to call her “Candace Owens lite” she is a very political channel so people saying her video is apolitical is dumb. Not to mention when you talk about a subject that is political, then the conversation you’re having is inherently political there’s no getting out of that. On another note I agree, if I said some dumb crap everyone has the right to call me out on my bs.
@TallulahChanel Жыл бұрын
I didn't want to say her name, and the reason I don't like her is because I feel like she never gets the point. I've only seen three videos (and I could barely finish two) and she always misses her own point. How?
@gentlerat Жыл бұрын
But Princess Weekes doesn’t really do grudges these days (she may have earlier that I’m not aware of but not recently). She always focuses on the issues, not the people involved. She could have named the people who were going after her “It’s Lit” cohost, but didn’t. She could have focused on more specific pro-shippers and anti-shippers, but didn’t at least not as I recall in her video. She could have gone after a certain other video essayist who was criticizing Nebula but didn’t. I admire her for being above the desire to drink the blood of her enemies. It’s admirable restraint.
@mehlover Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this. I've been afraid of someone missing the word "nuance", especially by people in bad faith to twist the original word's meaning (which tends to be a pattern on social media and annoys me so much, first intersectionality, and now nuance). Cause it needs to be said
@BananePuddin Жыл бұрын
I must’ve forgotten Noma’s casting in Mermaid, but I do find it funny that she’s in it considering that she originated the role of Hermione in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. She’s a hell of an actor, and I can’t wait to see her in this.
@getdownonit8753 Жыл бұрын
Noma got so much hate from whites in the fandom. I still think had Hermione and Rose been white the fandom wouldn’t hate Cursed Child as much. Like yes CC the book is confusing af but the play is incredible.
@junjunjamore7735 Жыл бұрын
@@getdownonit8753 Most people haven't seen the play, so I think the hate is mostly on the book. 99% of the discourse I've seen are about the concept of Voldemort having a child, and the time-travelling system being a mess.
@getdownonit8753 Жыл бұрын
@@junjunjamore7735 almost every HP fan knows that Hermione is black in CC. It was the highlight and talk of everywhere when CC was announced as a play.
@zoeevans3649 Жыл бұрын
That South Park episode was the bane of my existence in school. Back then my hair was lighter and had a decent amount of red in it. Idk if I would have even been considered as a red head but my bullies, and even friends, still latched onto it as ammo to tease me, belittle me, harass me. It was fucking crazy. I still always supported the new Ariel movie.
@headingutopia5159 Жыл бұрын
I love that you’re back to uploading more content 🎉
@CaptainPikeachu Жыл бұрын
every time someone tries to argue the “don’t racebend, just do original POC/other marginalized group characters”, I know they are lying through their teeth because they have no intentions of supporting those original characters, they’ve never supported original characters, and they don’t care to. The original characters of marginalized groups only exists as a “gotcha” argument tool. Their “care” for the originality of marginalized groups and their stories only exists when they perceived those marginalized groups as encroaching or threatening their space.
@buttertoast8613 Жыл бұрын
I’m confused a lot of ppl I know plan on supporting og poc characters and want more of them. Encanto, turning red. Right now I’m not excited for the live action little mermaid but I am excited for wish. So there is a lot of people who want more og poc rep. Why would we want a re skin of a character that already has been told.
@abitsourrrrsorry4885 Жыл бұрын
@@buttertoast8613 you're missing the point. It's okay if you want an og BIPOC princess. Obviously people want it too. But most people only used that argument as a way to invalidate Halle's Ariel for a black girl representation. You're allowed not to feel represented by her, but there are many young black girls out there who's excited by this casting. Halle's Ariel is still a valid representation and people don't need any reason why they love or want this type of representation
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
@@abitsourrrrsorry4885🙄
@mochabarbie3764 Жыл бұрын
@@oldfashionedstitches2378 your dedication to eye-rolling every comment is honestly laughable if not pitiful.
@Pietrood7 ай бұрын
One thing about me is I'm nothing like you and I never will be. How is it even possible to fail that much in a thinking process. Disney has one of their greatest characters in Princess and the frog and Alladin. Joe in Soul is absolutely great. Original diversity is absolutely fine and refreshing, chansing skin colours is not
@plp666 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for discussing this! It’s so a true, a nuanced conversation can’t be had if you deny or ignore the racism. 💜🦋
@radmax Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure I know the video you’re responding to and while they made some okay points, it was extremely… Odd™ to me that they (originally) all but said there’s simply no racism at all behind some people’s aversion to Black Ariel. A lie of omission that kind of does, as much as they might not like to hear it, give cover to those racists. 😕
@raininscotland Жыл бұрын
The red hair discussion is really funny to me. I'm Scottish, and red hair is common enough here. I've never thought that they were overrepresented in media, but then I have 3 family members on both sides with red hair.
@flowerheit4512 Жыл бұрын
"we don't have to acknowledge racists to acknowledge that capitalism and marketing are fucked" 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@ujamaa4 Жыл бұрын
The most pertinent thing stated here that completely gets overlooked was the comment regarding BLM and random things being done because as she stated "thar's not what we were talking about". People try to give us things that we were never asking for primarily as a way to ignore what we are actually talking about
@FishhookSupreme Жыл бұрын
I had never heard the anime protagonists blonde hair/blue eyes explained so perfectly before. This is why I love your videos - your point of view is literally eye-opening. ❤
@theMoporter Жыл бұрын
It's worth noting with the example of Ashitaka that Miyazaki's character designs are very mukokuseki - that is, he doesn't tend towards displaying ethnic phenotypes in his works. Ashitaka could stand next to (black-haired) Howl and Pazu and you wouldn't really be able to guess what anyone's ethnicity was. In fact, Ashitaka's skin colour is a little darker than Howl's - atypical for depictions of Ainu. In works which focus on the Indigeneity of Ainu characters, they tend to be portrayed with black or blue hair, blue eyes, and pale skin. Examples include Nakoruru from Samurai Shodown and Asirpa from Golden Kamuy. It's probably more common to see it invoked indirectly with characters like the protagonists from Pokémon Legends Arceus, Konayuki from Katanagatari, and Sitonai from Fate/Grand Order (an Ainu deity channeled through an explicitly Germanic character). Essentially, the same way white Spanish and Portuguese characters are depicted as more or less "swarthy" depending on the context in American cartoons. Golden Kamuy in particular is further evidence of your point, in case you haven't seen it. The main character is a Yamato man, and he reads as Yamato to someone used to Japanese character design, but without context he could easily be mistakenly identified as white by a white audience. When white characters do appear in the story, they have tarame (drooping eyes), eyebags, or sanpaku (white space under the iris). These are so ubiquitous in Western Europe that two of them don't even have English equivalents. When racialised features differ so strongly dependent on culture and context, it's basically impossible to apply standards from one country to another.
@finland4ever55 Жыл бұрын
That is true. But it also helps that some of his movies take place outside of Japan (Porco Rosso is in Italy) and others like Howls Moving Castle take place in European like fantasy worlds but the characters can be argued to be Japanese or European. So yeah. But I'm sick of seeing people casting non asians as the sailor moon characters in Sailor Moon fancasts
@Rosespynn Жыл бұрын
Re: anime characters being written as japanese by default. Yes, these characters are written as Japanese, while their appearance is an aesthetic choice (yellow, pink hair etc), not an indicator of race. But I think there's an important *semantic* distinction to be made - the word "Japanese" here describes how the character acts, relates to others, speaks etc. It marks a more complex "cultural" (for lack of a better word) identity, rather than a racial one. Yes, there is a strong correlation between cultural behaviors and race (race, as in a person with certain physical attributes, ancestry, ethnicity), the two are not always one and the same. In an increasingly global world, there are people born and raised in Japan with different skin tones, with descent from many places in the world, who still grow up in and are part of the Japanese society. Of course, any person who's considered a minority based on appearance (or other stuff) has a different experience than the group seen as default in a society, and often times these differences correlate with cultural differences, that's a whole different topic. But I'm questioning the plasticity of terms like "Japanese" to describe race, with the implication that it also refers to nationality /ethnicity /cultural attributes. I feel like in this case, referring to the character being racially Japanese is misleading and reductive in the sense that it erases people who don't "look" Japanese but are. It also complicates how Asian people in the west are "supposed" to be seen as related to Japan by default regardless of whether or not they have cultural ties to that country. It brings up the question of what is it to be Japanese? - To be born in Japan? , in East Asia?, to look like the majority of Japanese people? To have Japanese citizenship? to speak and act in a certain way? I agree with the broad argument that it would be highly preferable for white actors not to be cast in movie adaptations of anime. But my reasoning for this is increasing east Asian representation (specifically people of Japanese descent, as mentioned in the video) in western media and honoring the cultural origin of the anime art form. But being too broad with these words like "Japanese" and "race" offers a particular set of pitfalls as well. Casting Asian American actor of Japanese descent with little cultural connection to Japan or animes also poses interesting questions. Do we assume a Japanese American person should be automatically culturally acquainted with anime? Is this necessary to play an anime character? Should they be just a face for the sake of representation? Is there "A" Japanese - American face? What is different in casting a Chinese American actor or Korean American actor? Or a British/Canadian Asian actor? Does the actor's connection to the culfure matter? Or is it just the face? How much and why? So, as remarked further in the video, things change when the context of what race /person of color is, based on what the perceived "default" is in a given society. I used the east Asian representation example as a template. My main point is about the conflation of race, ethnicity, appearance, cultural behavior and expectations when we talk about the representation. My intention is to add some nuance to that portion of the video. I agree with its main points.
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
No, I love it! Thank you! I'm not Japanese or Asian so I am not attempting in any way to be the final voice on the matter
@annah-g6274 Жыл бұрын
Super super appreciate this comment. Was trying to articulate thoughts in response to this part of the video, but couldn't figure out how to say what I wanted. ♡♡ (I'm a blond-haired, hazel-eyed Japanese-Canadian who has never lived in Japan, and the question of how I "count" as Japanese and Asian is something I've been wrestling with for many years.)
@Rosespynn Жыл бұрын
@Princess Weekes I'm not Asian either, and not trying to have final voice on anything as well :D thank you for the patient, topical commentary. @Anna H-G That's so nice! Thank you!
@GameTimeWhy Жыл бұрын
I know you are using Japanese and Asian people in this example but does this apply to non black people born in Africa? Its just and interesting topic.
@borisradojkov7051 Жыл бұрын
Big agree this shit deserves more attention probably a big video of 4 hours
@sdwy719 Жыл бұрын
16:10 I just want to offer a quick correction here: Ashitaka is not Ainu, he is Emishi. Emishi were an ancient people indigenous to Honshu, primarily the Tohoku region. Ashitaka's capability in horse-riding is a direct reference to this; the Emishi, were highly skilled in their own unique style of horse archery. There are theories that they were historically related to either the Jomon people or the Ainu, but both are highly contentious arguments. Ashitaka's village is referred to as an Emishi village, and he is their last prince. The film is set during the Muromachi period, and Ashitaka's heritage is really important for the parallel of the dying natural world--the Emishi resisted the Yamato Empire for years, but were eventually overcome and absorbed under Imperial rule. Both he and San are the last vestiges of their worlds. Also, in the future, you might consider using the term "ethnic majority" to refer to mainland Japanese identity. The modern Japanese ethnic majority (generally descended from the Yamato people) is indigenous to Japan just as the Ainu and Ryuukyuuan peoples are, but the relationship between these indigenous groups is one of imperial violence and cultural genocide. The Emishi no longer exist as a cohesive group, but there are still Ainu and Ryuukyuuan people trying to preserve and promote their unique culture and heritage. I completely understand why you used the term "Japanese society default," it's probably a pretty fair assessment for how most Japanese people would think of it, but I think it's important to challenge that idea of homogeneity. Some people may not agree with me, but I thought I would mention it. :) Re: pronunciation, think of Ryuukyuuan as extending the vowel in Ryu (from Street Fighter), saying a long letter Q, and the word inn, like a bed and breakfast! :D Great video as always, I hope you have a lovely day!
@teapotsoup2851 Жыл бұрын
Now hold up a minute...what if Tiana had stayed human through the movie, and it was Charlotte that got frogged, that could be an interesting adventure?
@quasi8180 Жыл бұрын
I would dig the hell out of that if any disney movie could use a remake its the princess and the frog we need more human tiana screentime disney nows your chance
@nonjabulomangoro1871 Жыл бұрын
One thing I hated about The princess and the frog is that Charlotte WAS the princess not Tiana. It undermined the whole first black Disney princess for me. And I know that she marries Naveen so she does technically become a princess at the end, but Naveen's parents 'cut him off' so they don't even get to live like royals. I think the story was pretty mucky
@teapotsoup2851 Жыл бұрын
@@nonjabulomangoro1871 yeah I think Tiana's a great character and her story was pretty good, but as the FIRST black princess? Really could have gone for a story where the princess is human and on screen a lot more. And you know, IS a princess the whole time. plenty of the other princesses started out as commoners, but I think the whole semi-modern reimagining took away from the fairytale feeling. Would be good to see a classic princess fairytale with black leads.
@quasi8180 Жыл бұрын
@@nonjabulomangoro1871 charlotte was sooooo annoying
@sashakehoe1782 Жыл бұрын
Right? "Why are they treating me so bad, Tiana? Bc I'm different on the outside? I'm the same on the inside." And Tiana has to explain racism to her.
@gdesiree29 Жыл бұрын
People forget about merida and Anna who are actually real gingers. The creators just did ariel hair red cuz it goes well with her tail color. They were actually thinking of making her blond. Ariel hair is a fake red color. No one has that hair color in real life so the ginger eraser argument is stupid. Also there are alot of ginger actors in Hollywood.
@appleheadslatte4 ай бұрын
on God.
@LowCountryMatt Жыл бұрын
The only casting I can consider miscasting is Melissa McCarthy's Ursula. There are so many queens that would have been perfect for that role
@Jane-oz7pp Жыл бұрын
Darienne Lake would be a great Ursula
@Kevin-rg3yc Жыл бұрын
Lady Gaga and queen Latifah were my top preferences
@t.mutabilis2497 Жыл бұрын
Lady Gaga would be a great "It's Ursula's Crazy Sister!"
@FuzzyKittenBoots Жыл бұрын
She really should have been played by a drag queen.
@LowCountryMatt Жыл бұрын
@Kevin 5012 okay Queen Latifah would have definitely been valid. Especially after Mama Morton
@dantan1249 Жыл бұрын
Can we talk about how redheads aren’t a race and is just one specific trait. The argument isn’t even about redheads. It’s about white redheads. People want a very specific version of a white person to be represented when we can’t even get the average looking black person half the time.
@ErinaBleu Жыл бұрын
as a redhead, that South Park episode ruined middle school for me. I was bullied mercilessly for it and it sucked; people called me diseased and ran away from me in the hallway. that being said, some redheads take this "redhead erasure" thing WAY too seriously. I really do think a lot of people are just using the hair as an excuse (and it's not even all redheads who are saying this, which is wild to me. you probably bullied kids in school for being a ginger and now you're upset because Ariel isn't a redhead?? ok, sure. not to mention, as you said in the video: SHE IS A REDHEAD.). It's just plain racism lmao. I'm not offended by Halle Bailey being Ariel - in fact I think she'll make a great Ariel and I'm excited to see her portrayal!! Still worried, because, y'know.. it's Disney.
@janine7384 Жыл бұрын
"Nuance does not mean both sides have a point. Nuance is about the subtle differences, the distinctions between two things that can seem similar"
@sourwitch2340 Жыл бұрын
what really baffles me about this is, like, changing a character's ethnicity isn't just about race, it's about culture. if you made Tiana white, but changed nothing else about the movie, you'd have a white woman living a black life in New Orleans. and to make that tonally congruous, you'd need to remove any expression of her being an Afro-American woman living in New Orleans. The Little Mermaid may be based on a Danish fairy tale, but the way she's depicted in the movie, her culture is entirely fictional and thus has no attachment to any particular appearance or race. a live-action remake of Moana or Brave would struggle with ethnicity because the cultures they depict have particular context. casting Merida as a black woman would require either losing or reimagining the environment of her Scottish upbringing. rewriting the German fairytale of the Frog King was, evidently, not that hard because it didn't have enough necessary indications of any particular culture. cause that's the thing, Tiana WAS a black princess replacing a white princess, but like with Ariel there is hardly enough of a cultural context to actually make the switch stand out as in any way unusual. Unless you explicitly expect them to be white. However, taking Tiana now, now that the story was adapted into an explicitly black social context, that's the only thing that would make re-imagining her weird - and the fact that there are still way few Disney princesses of colour is the only thing that makes such a re-imagining problematic, that, and the fixation on preventing representation where there could have been.
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
🙄
@BratzRockAngels Жыл бұрын
They're gonna be mad about this one, cause you're absolutely right and they know that, lol.
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
@@BratzRockAngels We’re to busy laughing at it’s inevitable failure just like with Pinocchio. Look at YellowFlash2 most recent KZbin video on this remake. 🙃
@BratzRockAngels Жыл бұрын
@@oldfashionedstitches2378 Lol, Pinocchio literally had no budget of proper time put into it, and was sent straight to Disney Plus. This is a multimillion budget movie that's been worked on for years and will be a theatrical release, and it's also officially one of the most anticipated movies of 2023. Notice how all the live Disney Princess movies all get $1 billion, it's pretty obvious this is going to succeed too. I'm sure you'll be behind a screen crying over the fact that it's succeeding. Btw, no one cares what a bunch of racist youtubers think or say, they literally live and thrive off of putting down people or ideas they don't agree with, y'all are all going to be looking so stupid when the movie makes $1 billion.
@oldfashionedstitches2378 Жыл бұрын
@@BratzRockAngels "Lol, Pinocchio literally had no budget of proper time put into it, and was sent straight to Disney Plus." Ahhhh the Mulan remake and MOST of their films sent to Disney plus are all garbage too, thanks for letting me know. Great to Also know that when this remake goes to Disney Plus with them then it's at the same level as the things on Disney plus! 🤣 "This is a multimillion budget movie that's been worked on for years and will be a theatrical release, and it's also officially one of the most anticipated movies of 2023." Lol, no it's not!!! The video Yellow Flash 2 video has statistics and eveything!!! 🤣 "Notice how all the live Disney Princess movies all get $1 billion, it's pretty obvious this is going to succeed too." Less and less people watch the remakes. How did Mulan do? 😉 "I'm sure you'll be behind a screen crying over the fact that it's succeeding." Oh am crying, of laughter at that dislike ratio on the actual teaser trailer, just like with Pinocchio!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 "Btw, no one cares what a bunch of racist youtubers think or say," Thank you for at least admitting that you are one of them. "they literally live and thrive off of putting down people or ideas they don't agree with," Pot meet kettle, since you are perfectly fine with racism. "y'all are all going to be looking so stupid when the movie makes $1 billion." Dead on arrival "stupid". Just like with that Willow series. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnyWZmCebJ5_oac&lc=UgzaA9svPZrqVyiu3HN4AaABAg.9jv54CJkyFZ9jwAAked5Rh
@youmadornahhh Жыл бұрын
A character being original has never ever stopped racists from being racist…
@williammartin3451 Жыл бұрын
Full confession: I spent 2 weeks thinking they had cast Halle Berry and thought that the controversy was that she was too old.
@goldyd144 Жыл бұрын
Halle Berry spent weeks getting verbally and racially harassed for the same misunderstanding, so you're not the only one.
@eamonndeane587 Жыл бұрын
@goldyd144 Then they're all a Bunch of Guppies....
@goldyd144 Жыл бұрын
@@eamonndeane587 lmao 🤣
@WolfBoy-om6dw Жыл бұрын
I just found your video on the community board of Jessie Gender, and she was right this video is amazing and I absolutely agree with everything, you say In the video and you definitely earned yourself a new subscriber!
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
That is so kind. Thank you
@WolfBoy-om6dw Жыл бұрын
@@Princess_Weekes Your welcome
@RandomEntry13013 Жыл бұрын
Jessie Gender sent me here. Great vid, and I see more great vids for me in the future. Always great to find a new channel. Thanks.
@HelenaIsis616 Жыл бұрын
I talked about anime on a podcast last year and how white people center themselves in the anime fandom because of the aesthetic. Like, if a character isn’t Japanese, you will definitely be told.
@zainmudassir2964 Жыл бұрын
It's not just anime. Hakim is an Iraqi(actually lives there) KZbinr who made video on Disney's Aladdin calling out Orientalism and sexualisation of brown women. So many comments criticised him for pointing out how his culture is depicted using racist caricitures (an actual Arab person) because White western ppl can't stand existence of anything out their narrow worldview
@Keltaryn Жыл бұрын
Haha it's so true! And right out the gate too, never lets it unfold naturally in dialogue or story, it's blurted out as soon as you see their face
@HotDogTimeMachine385 Жыл бұрын
It's so bad because these white people watch anime and ONLY see skin color. I think they actually don't understand the characters are asian. A white american weeb can see a black american character and a japanese character, and they will project themselves onto the asian character. It's... what? Colorism?
@hellokittykillz5636 Жыл бұрын
Haha yeah this is absolutely true. It’s the most obnoxious thing. As a Japanese American, I want to bang my head against the wall every time this conversation devolves into racist stereotypes. Those types tend to say “Japanese people have small eyes” (or even worse when they use “chinky” ugh) when monolids aren’t even unique to Asians as a whole, not all Japanese/Asian people have them, and as if they or even people in general have eyes literally half the size of their head. Then they follow up with trying to invalidate my opinion by defining what they consider “real Japanese” to be. Lmao. It’s like who even are they to even have that conversation when they’re not even part of the Japanese community.
@morley364 Жыл бұрын
So many American characters I've seen in anime are blonde, loud, have a thick accent, and wear the flag/cowboy/military dress while yelling "I LOVE AMERICA". Any foreign/mixed nationality character is often either noted to be such by other characters or expressly states it when they're introduced. 100%, a character will tell you if they aren't nationally Japanese, and usually if they aren't ethnically Japanese as well.
@ProfessorFlowers Жыл бұрын
I know this is off topic but I love your aesthetic in this video. Your nose ring and makeup are so cute!
@EayuProuxm Жыл бұрын
"Nuance does not mean both sides have a point. Nuance is about the subtle differences, the distinctions between 2 things that can seem similar." Can we get that on a mug please? It'll have to be a big mug, but I can accommodate.
@NelsonStJames Жыл бұрын
It’s rather funny that black people when questioning casting decisions for decades have been told “ they hire the best actor for the part” up until that best actor was black, now for some strange reason the black actor is never the best actor for the part, because they wanted someone else instead.
@guenwinters4300 Жыл бұрын
I will admit. When I first heard of the casting, I was apprehensive. I thought Disney was doing a "look at us giving representation" (not even going to get into the lgbt "representation" they failed at in Beauty and the Beast LA). And then I heard her sing... so then I was apprehensive because it was unknown if she would be a redhead or not... and then I saw the trailer. I am a happy camper. And others that have an issue with it honestly need to get over it. I'm happy for Halle Bailey and I'm sure she will be amazing. (Provided Disney's writing isn't complete crap.)
@VeiledReflections Жыл бұрын
This outrage over the casting of a black actress feels so ridiculous because The Little Mermaid won an Oscar for its calypso style music, written by two white men who were deliberately mimicking a genre dominated by black artists. A large part of The Little Mermaid's success came from that soundtrack and the only non-white coded character in the film was a Jamaican crab. Ariel and even the Disney Renaissance would not have had the same success without "Under the Sea." Why shouldn't the presence of black artists in The Little Mermaid finally be visible?
@gigilachaille5014 Жыл бұрын
Bless you for using the Megan Follows version❤
@teapotsoup2851 Жыл бұрын
An Indian rapunzel would be amazing, her main feature is looooooong hair, and the longest most beautiful hair I've seen, is on indian women.
@quasi8180 Жыл бұрын
Omg if they did a bollywood style tangled i would be down for that sooooo hard it would give more of an ancient magical sound to the music (would fit with the modern guitar sound) That would make a stellar remake. Tangled would be sooooooo perfect for that. I could totally see Eugene as indian as well.
@snarksbtchbxls Жыл бұрын
I lived in Asia as a young person, and I worked in an all-local company. Culturally speaking, one's idea of appearance adjusts - I actually referred once to a 'blonde' colleague who would have been 'Asian' in the US but in this context, I and my colleagues thought of her as blonde because her hair was genuinely very light (not dyed.) Anime reflects this to me now - I see my former colleagues in a lot of Japanese anime and they are all, technically, Asian but very diverse in appearance. The same was reserversed. We did a business trip to North America and one of my colleagues in particular (older gentleman, his first time out of country) had a really hard time distinguishing between a few of the white North American counterparts because - and I totally got this - they 'looked the same' (brown hair of similar shade and cut, brown eyes of similar shade and shape, same sort of suit each day, similar vocal intonations and hand gestures.) I think any group of people is a constellation of features and how you perceive them depends on consistent exposure, which is maybe a good argument for representation.
@shushia1658 Жыл бұрын
I hope that this little mermaid is the best adaptation so far and it's as magical and whimsical as the original. I think the Haley Bailey deserves to be the most beloved mermaid. Wouldn't it be awesome. She's been through so much I would just hate if Disney had also given her a crap script.
@alexandermackay9636 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you're touching on REAL ginger prejudice here. I hate it when people use ginger erasure as an excuse to be racist toward black people. Not only can people of ANY ethnicity be gingers, but ginger erasure in hollywood has been going on since long before we started casting people of color in those roles. Matthew Murdock/Daredevil is a ginger in the comics yet both his live action actors have been brunette white men. That is STILL ginger erasure, yet no one seems to care as much. Almost none of Superman's Jimmy Olsens have been redheads, and on the rare occasion Hollywood actually lets a character have red hair on screen they almost never hire a ginger to play them. Instead they give KJ Apa or some young actress a dye job and call it good. Because real gingers with their freckly skin aren't "hot" enough.
@katem.3677 Жыл бұрын
The "redhead erasure" thing reminds of something I read when the Daredevil show first came out. Someone pointed out that no one cared that Charlie Cox was a brunet when Matt Murdock is a redhead in the comics, but if Marvel had decided to cast an actor of color, you can bet that everyone would've shrieked "BUT MATT IS A REDHEAD!" to the heavens.
@FaTerokiMenra Жыл бұрын
I really appreciated your argument about preferring new black characters instead of just recasting old roles and I think that's one reason why Miles Morales in the recent comics and especially the Spider-Verse films is resonating so much stronger than if he was "just Peter Parker but black." He might have a lot of similarities with traditional white Peter Parker Spider-Man, but his background, personality, history, etc. are so much more interesting because he's his own character. Plus that has the added benefit that the new character can coexist with the original white character and explore that interaction dynamic that you can't do when it's just a casting choice (minus all the multiverse stuff that Hollwyood has latched onto now).
@galactic-rose Жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the new interview with the vampire adaptation and them changing Louis and Claudia to be black. Personally I really enjoyed it and I think it added a lot to the characters and the story. I think there were some book fans that were skeptical of the race change at first but from what I've seen it seems to be a universal success!
@chloe-fy4wc Жыл бұрын
Thank you for going into detail about “redhead representation”. Especially funny take given that Disney has 3 redhead/ginger princess, but literally just one black Princess who’s a frog for the majority of the movie and not even a princess until the end??? Whereas in reality a percent of natural redheads in the US population is waaaay less than percentage of black people. Also, changing a character in a new adaptation doesn’t take away the old version.
@finland4ever55 Жыл бұрын
What about Kida? She's black and a human
@alexarias5717 Жыл бұрын
There's this black creator on this site that says children fawning over a black Ariel are going to grow up being unable to empathize with characters of other races because they only care about black representation. UM HELLO?? little kids of color ALREADY know how to empathize with characters not of their race because of limited representation. What about the empathy for black characters from white kids hmm?
@stuffynosepatrol Жыл бұрын
And you dont learn empathy from fictional characters, empathy is one of those things that most people dont have to learn AT ALL
@alexarias5717 Жыл бұрын
@@stuffynosepatrol yup exactly
@cidevant002 Жыл бұрын
On the subject of anime characters "looking white", I heard a Japanese person once explaining that blonde hair specifically is the the signifier of a "rebel", doesn't who doesn't follow the rules. That is the hair color of Usaki, Katsuki, Naruto... characters who are very different from each other but still do their own thing, they aren't strict on themselves based on rules or society's expectation. As to the blue eyes... aesthetically speaking, especially with Usaki and Naruto, it just fits their overall aesthetic. I once saw a video trying to argue in favor of race bending literally said that Usaki was "the european ideal that the creator made", which I can only imagine how much that would have shocked the Japanese creator who made a Japanese character living in Japan. I don't care about race bending, sometimes it can give very creative and interesting results, but maybe don't whitewash Japanese characters in order to defend it. You can just race bend while aknowledging some characters, no matter how pale, blonde or blue eyed they are, are not really white in the first place.
@rickyi3523 Жыл бұрын
Describing 2000's Disney hot takes as the "starter pack of feminism" is so perfect.
@MrBrothasky Жыл бұрын
Jessie Gender's suggestion brought me here. I am now subscribed, and will look forward to what you talk about in the future. You made some great points in this vid. I would personally like to see new IP starring people of color. That would be a refreshing thing to check out.
@joelle4226 Жыл бұрын
I went to search for Jessie gender’s channel and instead I was greeted with a giant ad for What is A Woman that I had to scroll passed to see her channel smh
@MrBrothasky Жыл бұрын
@@joelle4226 that is infuriating.
@gentlerat Жыл бұрын
@@MrBrothasky the algorithm probably thinks that because she talked about that film it’s something her viewers are interested in.
@figsandoranges Жыл бұрын
that ungodly hour clip was such a little blessing
@GoldieSC Жыл бұрын
omg Princess why did you remind me about that live action Dragon Ball movie? I had successfully forgotten it!
@graceohanrahan2865 Жыл бұрын
Great video but just one small correct. The study you cite is from University College Cork which is in Ireland, not the UK. I believe the study surveyed people in multiple countries but the researcher and what he talks about in the article is an Irish perspective
@Princess_Weekes Жыл бұрын
Sorry about that! Thank you!
@kairaine Жыл бұрын
Gosh thank you so much for making this
@cui8789 Жыл бұрын
I find it quite telling that the people complaining about redhead discrimination when it comes to stuff like The Little Mermaid remake have nothing to say about a South Park episode making jokes about bullying redheads. In fact, how many iconic redhead characters are based on stereotypes about redheads to begin with?
@adrianfridge Жыл бұрын
20:05 Then there’s a missing layer of nuance about what if the fancast/actor is Black-Japanese in heritage. The same way that Black people can be red heads, Black people can also be East Asian
@iBenjamin1000 Жыл бұрын
oh my god this video is so thoughtful, and really forced me to evaluate my attempts to engage with these kind of arguments regarding fandom racism.
@SailorMoonicorn Жыл бұрын
I totally watched this yesterday on Nebula (signed up with your code!) but here’s a comment for the KZbin algorithm too! Also, as a biracial Pakistani woman, what they did to Jasmine in the live action is a crime. 😤 Yeah she wasn’t perfect in the original animated version, but she was all I had dangit! I clung to that tiny morsel of representation with all my might.
@eringrl101 Жыл бұрын
Loved this! Only thing I have to say tho is that I absolutely saw as many natural redheads in my friend group growing up as were in comics 😂 3 out of 7 of them and even more walking the halls!
@phoenixfreefall Жыл бұрын
As a natural redhead, the fools trying to make "redhead erasure" an important thing to talk about vs the systemic racism and lack of representation for the BIPOC audience are frankly laughable. Ariel was always *my* princess as a kid because of my hair, but Halle Bailey doesn't take that away from me and I think she looks amazing as Ariel. I wish Disney was willing to do a deeper dive in the reimagining, maybe with a black woman director, where this movie could explore what it means to trade your voice for mobility from that perspective, in the way that many women (especially women of color) have to suppress their own voices to pursue successful careers. It could make an interesting metaphor for racial and gender based power structures in society and what we give up when we try to break through glass ceilings.
@trissc6855 Жыл бұрын
On the topic of Starfire and the Titans they could've always used black characters like Static Shock or Rocket and Icon, but then they'd have to pay for use of those characters since they're owned by their black comic creators. Then there's having Cyborg being in every team in different media(Justice League, Doom Patrol) except the Titans where he's originally from, taking away opportunity from characters like John Stewarts Green Lantern. It's almost as if they wanted to diversify these white superhero groups without actually looking up or using characters that they all have owned for years now. I'm not sure if James Gunn is the guy DC needs, but at the very least he did a great job highlighting a character like Bloodsport even giving him a look that is now iconic in its own right. Edit: Casting Idris Elba as Bloodsport was also *chefs kiss*
@gentlerat Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of how when I was talking to a woman close to me about Jodie Whitaker's first season as the Doctor. She said the fact that 13 was more sensible and less crazy than earlier incarnations bothered her because it wasn't allowing for the woman version of the character to be as fun as the men. I didn't necessarily agree with her, but I think this is different than saying "the doctor has to be a dude" and it's frustrating for the two conversations to get mixed up with each other.