Men leaving the Catholic Church and Taylor talks with Calvin.

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Summary
In this episode of Catholic Unscripted, Katherine Bennett and Mark Lambert discuss various topics, including Taylor Marshall's interview with Calvin Robinson, the role of Pope Francis in the Catholic Church, the importance of unity and authority, the decline of ritual solemnity in the Church, the controversy surrounding the use of Rupnik's artwork by the Vatican, the tragic death of Michael Mosley, and some health advice from Katherine's father. They also mention the benefits of becoming a member of Catholic Unscripted.
Keywords
Catholic Unscripted, Taylor Marshall, Calvin Robinson, Pope Francis, unity, authority, ritual solemnity, Rupnik, Vatican, Michael Mosley, health advice
Takeaways
The interview between Taylor Marshall and Calvin Robinson sparks a discussion about the role of Pope Francis in the Catholic Church and the importance of unity and authority.
The decline of ritual solemnity and the use of sacred language in the Church is a topic of concern, with some attributing it to the post-Vatican II changes.
The controversy surrounding the use of Rupnik's artwork by the Vatican raises questions about the institution's handling of abuse allegations and its commitment to zero tolerance.
The tragic death of Michael Mosley, a well-known TV dietician, highlights the fragility of life and the importance of health.
Katherine's father offers some health advice, emphasizing the value of moderation.
Becoming a member of Catholic Unscripted provides access to exclusive content and supports the show.
Titles
Tragic Death of Michael Mosley
Health Advice from Katherine's Father
Sound Bites
"It's difficult to understand why he hasn't swum the Tiber, but I think, and they didn't say this explicitly, but I think you could really say the reason is purely Pope Francis."
"Those words sound very hollow at the moment when you've got Peter is the one really spreading the confusion and the disunity."
"Mary is more important, you know, she's more special than anyone else because she heard the gospel and it became it coalesced in her womb."
Chapters
00:00
Introduction
05:37
The Role of Pope Francis and the Question of Unity
11:43
The Decline of Ritual Solemnity in the Church
21:48
The Tragic Death of Michael Mosley
24:01
Health Advice from Katherine's Father

[@56247]

Katharine, you are spot on once again! As a cradle Catholic raised with the Traditional Latin Mass, everyone, including the priest was facing the altar. There was no doubt that as a people, we were participating in a profound miracle- God amongst us. We were to receive Our Lord Himself and in that realization, we were humbled and thankful. The most enduring and cherished memories I have of my father are the times we spent at Mass. To see the man I adored and depended on, the man I believed at the time to be the strongest, wisest man, would humbly, and with complete devotion, kneel in adoration and awe of the great mystery! I also sensed each time as if he were offering a silent prayer of repentance- as there was much more 'quiet' at Mass in those days. E]There was no doubt in my mind that something terribly important was taking place! The Norvus Ordo shifted the focus from the great mystery of faith- the transubstantiation- Jesus among us offering His Body and Blood for our redemption to the people. I have no doubt having lived through those years, that feminist ideals shaped that shift! Women are not only far more vocal than men, but also more relational- wanting to 'connect' with others or 'gather' as the word was used to describe the liturgy in those early days after Vatican II. Our church suddenly had a Gathering Room- and we 'gathered for Mass too. Women liked that- more a coffee klatsch to get together and build 'community' than a sacred ritual to give thanks and praise to our God. If I were a man, I would definitely not be interested because even as a woman, I had never thought of Church as a place to get together with friends. My father did not go to Mass to meet friends certainly! All the innovations of the hijacked liturgy after Vatican II sought to demythologise, demystify and humanize the 'gathering' and did so quite well. No longer were there quiet periods for prayer, the lifting of the heart and mind to God; replaced with the continual chatter now required by added response- much more enjoyed by talkative women. Look at what takes place during the 'handshake of peace'- clamoring to say hello to family and friends as if attending a get together. This not to say that it is not possible to have a reverent Novus Ordo- however, even as in my parish, served by a religious order where the priests now spend most of the time facing the altar and skipping the 'handshake of peace', there is still less quiet time to prepare one's heart and mind to participate fully in the sacrifice offered for our salvation. Finally, (please forgive the length of this rant), it must be stated, though I have never heard it articulated, that there is an element of revenge in feminism. The movement is always couched in terms of rights for women and equality but deeply imbedded in the feminist agenda is a desire for revenge, whether conscious or subconscious. Can it be any wonder that men have been more or less eliminated from the Church? Liturgical changes which are unwelcoming to men and a the replacement of a truly male clergy with gays has sent that clear message to men- this is no place for you because it is our right to demand equality in the Church which has unjustly been a male bastion for centuries. Gay men fulfill to objectives of the feminists: the first, just discussed, is to et men know, be it in the workplace or church or homes, that their masculinity is offensive; the second, is to shame women who they perceive as part of the problem, women who are a traditional homemakers, dress or act distinctly feminine as many gay men adapt caricatures of females that is appalling and ghastly- exaggerated hair, make-up, dress, etc... they are used to mock anything overtly feminine.

[@PhilipGermani]

Yes, I had the same experience. As a child, I was in awe of the beautiful Latin Mass and the glorious consecration with the priest facing the altar. I never, never, never got comfortable with the N.O. and did leave the faith. By God's grace I was able to return a couple years ago, but would absolutely welcome a return to the beautiful and holy traditions that I was born into.

[@56247]

@@PhilipGermani Welcome home! And you are needed! Our Holy Mother Church is under attack and whatever we must endure, we must stay by her side and defend her!

[@SophieHamilton-d3e]

You make some valid points but at the end of the day the demise of the Roman Catholic Church can’t be blamed on feminists, women or gay men. If we want to point the figure of blame anyone then it should be directed at the Popes, clergy and lay men who have not kept to orthodox Christian principles and have failed to be strong male leaders.

[@LesRitaMitsouko]

Interesting post 👌

[@PhilipGermani]

@@56247 Amen and Vivat Iesus!

[@thedon978]

As Fr. Murr put it: "For every "non-man" in the sanctuary, we lose a hundred men in the pews."

[@orarerosarium]

This talk was so interesting. I feel full to bursting because I don’t have anyone to talk to about this. What a gift that you 3 found each other and are just so brilliant in expressing what’s going on. Thank you.

[@imeldatobin7243]

I voted with my feet many years ago and returned to the TLM -the Mass of my early childhood. I discovered that I could not pass on the Catholic Faith to my children through the Novus Ordo. ( Of, course there are no guarantees that children reared "in Tradition" will keep the Faith either.) The final blow came for me when my sister , now deceased , attended a family wedding after years of absence from Holy Mass, asked, when she saw women usurping the sacerdotal rights "Is this what they call Mass nowadays". The Sacred Mystery had lost It's meaning.

[@M5guitar1]

I went to the TLM today. A 1 hr drive vs 5 minutes to the local NO. It was worth the long drive. The local Vatican II era pastor refuses communion on the tongue becuase of "slobber".....his actual words and only standing. Its terrible, and he lets the laity clean the sacred vessels after communion. So much abuse! I'm tired of it and the other priest wears Bermuda shorts ! Shocking!

[@fynesound9996]

We are only 40 minutes from our FSSP parish. However, some young families drive 2 hours to get there. This is how important they feel the TLM is for their children. It’s all about souls. If you feel you can’t make the drive, at least spend the Easter Triduum at a traditional church. It’s unbelievably wonderful and you won’t regret it. In Corde Iesu.

[@duaneadams5210]

At the very rare times that I have to attend a modernist mass, I feel like I'm at a dumbed down kindergarten "service".

[@timobrien72]

It feels more like a Protestant service than a Catholic Mass. I'm lucky to have a very trad priest and reverent and so the Mass although it's NO its as close to a TLM as I can get. I would run a marathon to get to a TLM if I could there is nothing I'm my diocese.

[@papadan3]

i experience this too.. i cannot stay in a church with the loud guitar revival of charismatic shouting calling it music.

[@johnharkness6304]

@@timobrien72 apparently the comments here "are not of God"?? Anyway, I'm lucky enough to have not one, but two Latin Mass Churches, here in Lyon France, I understand people's disappointment and frustration. Personally, if I feel like watching someone playing a guitar I look at an old clip of John Lennon, that's all the guitar I want, but I suppose we all don't have the same tastes, I understand that. Take care.

[@MidnightIsolde]

I felt that at my local Catholic parish. Decent priest and lovely people, but the style leaves something to be desired. Very cringy music - I felt like I was back in my CofE primary school with the headteacher playing guitar while we sang in assembly 😅 - the actual services we had in church were better tbh

[@philsdon8932]

In the army one is taught to salute the uniform not the man. Perhaps we are to honor the mitre not the man wearing it. I'm a Catholic returnee and along with converts and all we ask that the Catholic Church be Catholic, otherwise it stands for politics.

[@donaldlippert6374]

Happy to be a Silver subscriber. Thanks for all you do and are🙏🙏. God bless your father on his birthday ❤

[@catholicunscripted]

Thank you 🙏

[@janetalexander4476]

Do you think men leave the church due to the fact that so many in Catholic hierarchy are gay?

[@56247]

YES! Definitely a huge factor!

[@ctfh1236]

Not just men but women are leaving the Catholic church. How can we go to confession with a filthy homosexual ? How can we receive the Holy Eucharist from those hands . NO way, they live heavy sin and cannot be priests.

[@TP-om8of]

It may be unconscious… but probably yes

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

The bigger factor is that the church in general but certainly its leadership doesn’t even take itself seriously, so why should anyone else. The sort of limp-wristed self loathing attitude is a huge lack of masculinity and is a huge turn off. Of course that has a lot of overlap with the gay thing, but there’s also no shortage of straight sissies too.

[@TP-om8of]

@JulesBeauchene A pity we have to resort to ** because of Yoogle censorship

[@ltngrk]

The Novus Ordo is most certainly valid. It just isn't for grown-ups. The problem is that we're supposed to put aside the things of childhood.

[@tomthx5804]

Thanks for the grumpy old cranberry point of view.

[@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh]

Novus Bogus - for kids of a heretical persuasion.

[@karenstack543]

‘I’ll save all the best stuff for the funeral’😂 Great conversation & loved the family clip. Hope your dad had a great day!

[@catholicunscripted]

He did. Thank you 🙏

[@True_Train]

Speaking as a Male revert in my 30’s, the Ordinary Mass is familiar from childhood but as an adult, is disengaging. I attend a central London Parish which does Sung Latin Mass and TLM, focusing on adoration. For me, it focuses on reverence and respect for Christ and highlights our obligations and responsibilities.

[@magdalenegoodwill5878]

May God bless your dad with great health and lots more years. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@JohnAlbertRigali]

I’ve had the following observations: * Novus Ordo Masses tend to have roughly equal numbers of men and women * Traditional Latin Masses tend to have more women than men - the women causing the imbalance were or are married to men who reject(ed) either Catholicism generally or traditional Catholicism specifically I’m an outlier: I’m a convert in a legal but *non-sacramental* marriage with an apostate cradle Catholic, and my wife intends to divorce me. I’ve been encouraged to embrace the divorce and move on with my life; in the meantime, I’m struggling to emulate Servant of God Élisabeth Leseur. Katherine, I was worried that your dad wouldn’t appreciate your cheekiness. I’m glad that he did. 😊

[@catholicunscripted]

Thanks for watching and for your contribution. As for dad…where do you think I get it from? 😄

[@johnharkness6304]

Elisabeth Leseur, excellent choice, mocked by her unbelieving husband, who, if I'm correct, converted after her death and went on to become a Priest! God protect you on your journey.

[@johnoriordan789]

If someone knows that criticism of the NO upsets people who have never experienced any other mass why would you do that? I think it’s sad that the TLM is being restricted and I support efforts to push back against the restrictions, but millions of catholics know only the NO. Perhaps we’re missing out in the NO but let’s not shoot our wounded .

[@derrickknight6828]

As someone who started out serving the Latin Mass, I would not blame the new order of the mass. People were much more daunted by breaking their obligation of attending Sunday Mass, and most of those in Church had no idea what was being said - only those who had their own missal with the English and Latin alongside one another were really able to follow. Those going back to the Latin mass now have the benefit of knowing more about the Mass, because of the version in their own language.

[@johncassani6780]

The fact that so many modernist priests were ordained between the end of WWII and Vatican II had a lot to do with conditioning people to accept what would happen in the mid to late 60s. In the US at least, there were large dioceses ordaining 50-60 priests a year or more through the 50s and early 60s. Many of them were predators. Most of them were modernists to one degree or another. The Church was flooded by priests who did not love the Mass that had been passed down through the centuries to their day. They paved the way for the reforms, and the faithful went along with it because they did receive from their forbears respect and obedience for their priests.

[@patrickstoops1584]

"I'll save all the best stuff for the funeral." American here. I LOVE how cruel British humor can be 😂 And regarding Katherine's take on the Novus Ordo, I think Father Mawdsley said it best. The Novus Ordo is gay. Valid? Yes. Effective though? Clearly not. And unfortunately, I have to say the same even for the "unicorn" Novus Ordo that is beautiful and reverent (there are two such parishes in my area). There are still things even lost there. I don't think my assessment of said NOs would be quite as brutal as Father Mawdsley, but there is still a lot lacking and I'll take the TLM over even the most reverent NO any day of the week and twice on Sunday, pun intended.

[@seansheehy6725]

Calvin wants things to suit him rather than him suiting the Church. Jesus told Peter and the Apostles, "They who hear you hear me and those who hear me hear Him who sent me." The Papacy is the principle of continuity in handing on the Apostolic Tradition.

[@hyeminkwun9523]

Why people leave the Church today? It is simply because of the Apostasy spread widely in the Church (2 Thes 2:3). We are living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ and His 1000 year reign of Peace (Rev 20:4-6). We are seeing Catechism #675 and 677 are being fulfilled before our own eyes, which state that, before the second coming of Christ, the Church MUST follow Her Lord to Calvary, Death, and Resurrection for purification and renewal of the Church and world. Therefore lots of people will fall away following modernist's false teachings, and only few will remain faithful to the True Teachings of the Church (and enter the reign of Peace). All prophecies on the end times will be fulfilled as written in the scripture. We are the generation specially chosen by God, from the beginning of the creation, to follow in the footsteps of Our Lord to Calvary, Immolation, and Resurrection, for the Praise and Glory of His Name. Let us, therefore, be prepared spiritually for the coming events by praying to God for the graces we need, so that we may fulfill whatever tasks given to us in a perfect manner for His Glory. Let us not fear, but face the coming events in Peace, for He will never leave, nor forsake His faithful, and His grace will be sufficient for us to fulfill the task perfectly (2 Cor 12:9) and remain faithful to the end (Rev 2:10). Amen!

[@elizabethhfyh]

What a darling daddy. My father used to say same thing - all things in moderation. 12 seems like a good number.

[@catholicunscripted]

Thank you Elizabeth 🙏

[@josephcouch7651]

accurate interpretation of the focus on us and not God in the mass we lost so evident that is why for a man and women we see the true worship in the Traditional Mass

[@SusanLangridge]

Our priest (with permission of bishop)is moving the Tabernacle back to centre stage on the altar (from the side of the church)and he said "us priests should not be taking centre stage in the mass"and it's true,the Tabernacle should be right in the middle of the church. I've also noticed that because our priest is so much more reverant during mass and he does speak small parts in latin now,more men are coming back.

[@Mark3ABE]

I remember hearing Calvin Robinson explain why he was not able to join the Latin Rite of the Western Church. It is related to the Great Schism of 1054. Calvin considers that all of the Patriarchates are semi autonomous, in spiritual communion with each other, but that it was never the practice in the early Church for the administration of the entire Church throughout the whole world to be centred in Rome. Calvin considers that all of the Patriarchs, including the Bishop of Rome, are equal and entitled to be self governing. So, essentially, he does not want to “go over to Rome” because Rome does not, in his opinion, correctly recognise the status of the Eastern Patriarchs. Well, I can see his point. The Bishop of Rome, ex officio Primate of All Italy and President of the Italian Bishops’ Conference complained openly that there was too much “gaiety” amongst the Italian Clergy. What other Patriarch, having responsibility for setting standards for admission to the Priesthood, would openly make a fool of himself by stating that, after thirteen years of being in charge of the admissions policy for seminarians within his jurisdiction, the Priesthood was filled with practising homosexuals, then complain about the effect of the policy which he had set himself? No Eastern Rite Patriarch comes even close to the bumbling incompetence of his brother Patriarch in Rome. If I was standing outside, as Calvin Robinson is, looking for someone in authority to trust, I should be inclined to trust any of the other Patriarchs, in preference to the Patriarch of Rome.

[@mathiusq9128]

I went to a NO yesterday where they did a pretty good Mass on Ascension Thursday a while back. I was worried, right off the bat this time. Someone picked up their phone in the pews, started talking before mass! Then the opening hymn started. A super swarmy rendition of a modernist son, Here I am Lord. Then they closed with that song too.I had brought a friend to Mass yesterday to that Mass, and while I think I can still help him learn from the Catechism it is really as if this super-gay mass may have set him back greatly. Now I see what some mean when they say, that the NO can be dangerous.

[@mathiusq9128]

There were no young men at this mass but myself and my friend, and I can say for myself, I certainly will not plan to go back.

[@tomthx5804]

Never been to a Novus Ordo before, Mr. Schismatic?

[@MatthewThomas-ye1ei]

@@tomthx5804 I go Novus Ordo pretty regularly on weekdays, it is not always so dramatically cringe.

[@Mark3ABE]

I started at a Catholic School in 1960, when the Mass was still in the Tridentine form. We were all given Mass Books with the Latin on one page and the English on the other, with plenty of pictures showing what was going on and giving an explanation as to what everything meant. I can remember, even at the age of five, being able to follow and understand the Mass. However, the use of English in the Mass has, very definitely, been a move in the right direction. In my view, some of the traditional prayers in Latin should have been retained, since, when the Mass was translated out of Greek into Latin, the “Kyrie” was retained, as the Faithful wanted some connection with the earlier form of the Mass. I expect that, at the time, the introduction of Latin as the language for the Mass, replacing the traditional use of Greek, was considered quite an innovation. People probably considered the use of the vulgar tongue (the “Vulgate”) as a dumbing down of the Mass.

[@declancooney1029]

when will Pope Marshall finally take over the CC ??? He pontificates daily ex-computra to the lost, naive and deluded. As I said to a fellow sinner in Jesus' Church, whilst on Pilgrimage to Walsingham, "Where else can I go?" I would "llike" to leave the Church, especially after Sunday Mass (in Ireland). The nice priest, and he actually is nice (not sarcastic!!) encouragesto me want to turn off the Mass and Church. Yesterday, after the Local n Euro Election, I went to Church, knowing that 99% of the pews voted for abortionist political parties (am I in communion with them???????????) and all we had (with respect to the Holy Mysteries of the Mass etc) was a nice get together. Complete with the County colours (Flag n Jersey as we won the All Ireland Final last weekend. Little about Jesus and Spirituality. Mass is now "too nice".

[@tomthx5804]

Pope Marshall is the true, holy apostolic church. Only he is worthy of our worship. We must all pay attention to what his holiness says, and I suppose if we did not talk of him all the time, the gates of hell are our destination.

[@declancooney1029]

@@tomthx5804 Peas Be Upon Him 😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜

[@yorkmum3152]

Thank you for another interesting episode. I am interested to hear Gavin's take on the Calvin Robinson interview with Taylor Marshall. From your discussion today, it is when you got to the word "authority" that I think you were approaching the heart of the matter. My understanding is that Calvin has valid but illicit orders (if they include Old Catholic) and, were he to convert to Rome he would need "conditional ordination" (not ordaining again as that is impossible) for the same reasons that the Church took that view with Graham Leonard. More interesting for me are Katherine's thoughts about the Mass and the masculine and feminine.... I would LOVE you to go deeper down this idea. I did find it hard to hear but I want to hear more - please challenge me!

[@leaverus]

Why does marks audio always produce echo?

[@michaelciccone2194]

These echo affects and long monologues !

[@philiphumphrey1548]

It's always the men (and young men especially) that are the first to leave a dying church. This is long before the congregation visibly ages, there's no more babies crying etc. Coming from the Anglican Church I've always wondered what problem priestesses and deaconesses were supposed to solve. As well as the "feminization" of the worship. Notice how all the old "robust" hymns like "Onward Christian Soldiers" and "Stand up, stand up for Jesus" have disappeared from the hymnbooks, and even the well loved classics have been bowdlerized with "inclusive" language, removing all mention of "he" or masculinity. Again, it was never explained what problem this was supposed to solve.

[@hneek249x]

Brainwashing.

[@cravenmoore7778]

I'm still confused about why the church did away with the St. Michael prayer at the end of Sunday Mass 🙏 😢

[@Mark3ABE]

The Committee which prepared the new order of the Mass included a number of Protestants. They did not like the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, because they consider that it is not an Altar but a communion table, so insisted that these prayers be removed and that the Altar be replaced with a Protestant style communion table. Then, they did not like the Last Gospel, because many Protestants are Arians and consider that the “eternal Word” is not Jesus, but the Sacred Scriptures, so they insisted that this be removed. As for the Prayer to St. Michael, this was introduced by Pope Leo XIII to fight off the forces attaching the Church and, since many on the Committee were forces attacking the Church, they did not, obviously, like it! The new order of the Mass is not authorised by the Second Vatican Council. Paragraph 4 of the Introduction to Sacrosanctum Concilium made it clear that all existing forms of the Liturgy were to be retained, respected and preserved. The instructions from the Council Fathers were to have much (but not all) of the Mass in the vernacular, with the congregation more involved. So, instead of the Altar Servers giving the responses, once the Mass was in the vernacular, it was possible for the whole congregation to give the responses, which, of course, was an excellent move. However, the new order of the Mass ignored the instructions of the Council and no Pope has ever had sufficient interest to look at what the Council said and to ensure that the Church followed the instructions of the Council.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Seems that any reference to battle or spiritual warfare has been systematically removed. Just like in our hymnbooks Onward Christian Soldiers has been replaced by Onward Christian Pilgrims and the original words replaced with some dreadful meaningless modern doggerel. As if they want to forget that this world is a spiritual battleground, not a playground.

[@auntiesister7405]

It's been reinstated in some place, my diocese is one of those that does just right before the final blessing.

[@LS-xs7sg]

Part of the issue is that the priesthood is disproportionately effeminate and it puts men off being involved in the church. My theory is a disproportionate number of priests are essentially closeted homosexuals who have chosen the priesthood partly as a way to conceal the fact that they don’t want a wife from their conservative families. If the church got rid of priestly celibacy and allowed priests to have wives (as was the case in the early medieval period) you would immediately make the church much more wholesome.

[@knightsrepose9448]

My wife and I are recent converts. I go to the TLM. I can barely tolerate an indult NOM. Maybe I could like a Reverent NOM like Fr Longnecker. My wife goes to the NOM and she's already switched once due to irreverence. The priest at her new NOM is pretty good but due to leave soon. She's pretty resistant to the TLM sadly.

[@brianbacon5149]

+JMJ Continue strong in your faith. Dominus vobiscum.

[@johngermain3076]

Why is the "new mass" always mentioned in the Latin language (Novus Ordo), rather than in the English language (New Order) ? Isn't the modernists dislike for, and lack of understanding of Latin, the main purpose for creating a new order church.

[@tomthx5804]

Whenever someone uses the word "modernist" so casually and incorrectly, you know they are part of the breakaway sect of the SSPx.

[@edwardbell9795]

Spurious nonsense. Sorry to sound uncharitable.

[@johngermain3076]

@edwardbell9795 no you're not, otherwise you wouldn't have. But there's a serious point to that.

[@pmclaughlin2931]

we were with Fr Calvin on a pilgrimage just a few weeks ago, and Bishop Strickland, Patrick Coffin and a deacon were on the very same pilgrimage to France. He is now an old Catholic (they rejected Vatican 1). But the faculties are valid, stated in Vatican II. They are in a similar state to that of the SSPX. He loved being able to see the body of St Vincent De Paul in Paris.

[@danarose6314]

Taylor is a grifter and not a Roman Catholic. I don't even know who Calvin is.

[@brianbacon5149]

+JMJ How so? Be specific and remember the Eighth Commandment.

[@Mark3ABE]

I think that most of the Faithful are now starting to think that the Pope has “lost it”. Most of the Faithful know very little about the scandals in the Church, however, what most of them do know is that the Pope should not use swear words, or offensive language. The fact that one day the Pope is critical of the number of homosexuals in the Clergy and the next day is welcoming them in with open arms is not a problem. All of that is rather too complicated for the average dear old lady in the pew to follow or understand. What she does know is that the Pope has used “un Pope like” language and that is something which, as far as I know, has never, ever, happened before. In our own Parish, where our Priest maintains the strictest policy of silence as to all scandals affecting the Church, no mention was ever made of a major scandal affecting the auxiliary Bishop responsible for our Parish (after he moved on to a more senior appointment). Absolutely silence is the order of the day. However, at last Sunday’s Mass, our Priest did ask us to pray, particularly, for the Pope as “he has had rather a difficult week”. Once the most conservative and loyal of the Clergy start to remark on the Pope’s behaviour, the end is probably in sight.

[@Mark3ABE]

The clouds of cigar smoke were something of a distraction, however, the topics covered were most informative.

[@adelbertleblanc1846]

Are men leaving the Holy Church ?? Where are them going ??

[@ec8972]

Katherine: “It needs a hole examination.”

[@papadan3]

i really dislike those labels. such as “cradle” catholic. who says stuff like that!!!

[@philiphumphrey1548]

Sometimes I wonder. As a "converso" I have great respect for people who were born into the faith and have stuck with it through thick and thin. I often think it's easier for us converts, we chose what we signed up for (having experienced the alternatives). But everyone is on a different (and sometimes difficult) individual journey and I don't see why people make a big deal about it.

[@catholicunscripted]

Thanks for watching. Hope you stick with us. We agree that terms like liberal and conservative Catholic are divisive and unnecessary, we are either Catholic or not. However, cradle and convert are useful inasmuch as they often point to reasons why some people are more clued up (the converts 😄) on the experience outside the ark. It was used here to draw attention to the fact that our 3rd presenter, Gavin, as a convert, will have insights that we lack. Hope that makes sense 🙏

[@andrew-c1y9b]

The song everything is Taylor Marshall's fault is a good Laugh....

[@tomthx5804]

His cult members certainly will never believe it...

[@threeinone6977]

From what I've seen, the Mass was changed to a large extent, to accommodate the "sola" crowd, and the new, all embracing, ecumenical movement; it changed from a "God" centred experience to a "People" centred experience. The Latin Mass was far too "Catholic" (for the new ecumenical outlook), to continue unabated, and I think the results are axiomatic. What if I'm wrong? Then, mea culpa, mea culpa......but at the moment, I doubt it and time will tell. Christus Vincit! Christus Regnat! Christus Imperat!

[@seansheehy6725]

He is not validly ordained nor can he call himself Catholic.

[@jamescover7605]

He can and does call himself catholic. But this does not mean he is Roman Catholic.

[@edwardbell9795]

Mark, how can you listen to Calvin Robinson and conclude that Pope Francis is the block? Robinson clearly eluciated the Old Catholic position, which rejects the teaching of the First Vatican Council.

[@jamesdewanca]

We made the priests narcissistic Rockstars sadly

[@andrew-id9ls]

No excuses get to holy mass regularly and say your prayers

[@James-fk2ki]

When will Vatican listen to its own people when its people are crying out for return to tradition

[@brianbacon5149]

+JMJ Ask the Lord. In the meantime, attend the closest TLM you can find.

[@edwardbell9795]

Katherine, I'm sorry but you rather lost me with your clumsy reference to the NO being "homosexual". You often make very powerful remarks about the importance of the feminine but perhaps they need some serious theological reflection. KZbin lends itself to soundbites but little more.

[@catholicunscripted]

Thanks Edward. The traditional liturgy aligns with our nature as feminine before God who is masculine. The postures, reverence, transcendence are all in keeping with our femininity as creatures (receivers) before creator (God). Arguably, the NO places a heavier emphasis on man doing rather than receiving…this makes it more masculine. When the Church is more masculine before God who is masculine it comes closer to a homosexual encounter (when that term helps as a way of understanding the need for the complimentary other) which seems likely to put men off - not consciously.

[@edwardbell9795]

Thanks Katherine. I'm sort of getting there, although I'm still struggling to relate your perspective to a nuptial understanding of the Mass, although on the face of it it might seem obvious. Your argument seems to be related to the different performative aspects of the NO and the TLM. I still maintain, in line with Pope Benedict of blessed memory, that the NO and the TLM are two expressions of one Roman Rite. Perhaps I live in a bit of a bubble as my parish is the Bournemouth Oratory, where the NO is celebrated reverently, ad orientem and with significant periods of quiet. I also have ready access to the TLM. My hope was that the liberty to celebrate the TLM, granted by Pope Benedict, would lead to a "reform of the reform" of the NO. I'm looking forward to the next video, with its promised focus on Calvin Robinson. In the interview he expounded the classic Old Catholic rejection of the First Vatican Council. His ignorance - or misreading, to be generous - of the ecclesiology of the Apostolic Fathers was telling. It's a shame that Marshall wasn't quick witted enough in response. Forget Pope Francis. There have been far worse popes. But without Peter we're adrift. @catholicunscripted

[@catholicunscripted]

Agree with what you have said here, and Gavin is coming up shortly with a response that should succeed where Taylor may have failed. I think my remarks should be taken to be nothing more than a contribution to the discussion about why men especially have lapsed. It wasn’t a comment on the validity or otherwise of the NO. I myself attend the NO regularly. And as always, being Unscripted, time limited and under a microscope, it’s difficult to achieve a full and adequate explanation. Perhaps it’s something we can more intentionally tease out in later programmes 🙏

[@edwardbell9795]

Thanks for your apostolate. I know a number of people - from a Catholic men's group in Dorset and the Brothers of the Little Oratory in Bournemouth - ​who really appreciate Catholic Unscripted. @catholicunscripted

[@johnmartin4650]

Luther believed everything we do except for the pope bit…….!!

[@gerardbrady7049]

Calvin Robinson is an interesting and charismatic chap but his insistence that he is Catholic is belied by statements (during his talk with Taylor Marshall) such as all of the apostles were given the keys. Every group if it is to function properly has a leader and an authority structure and the Church Christ founded is no different. His ecclesiology is deficient and given the mess the Church is in that is understandable but he is essentially a person who wishes to choose his own way. His recent apologia for Anglicanism was an insult to the English martyrs whom I have a particular devotion to.

[@paulmurray3671]

I wonder if the Catholic Church using feminine pronouns for itself ,i.e. "she", "her", "herself", etc. might be a turnoff for some men, especially Hispanic men.

[@catholicunscripted]

This reduces such terms to biology, which is part of the problem. The Church is not referred to as She or Holy Mother to please women and alienate men, it’s because God is love and love is fruitful. The symbolism of bride and bridegroom which runs throughout scripture is about the relationship of God to His people. We, the Church are necessarily feminine (though not all biologically female) to God who is masculine. To say the Church should be called ‘He’ or ‘Holy Father’ is the same but inverse mistake as appointing women priests.

[@imeldatobin7243]

The Church is "THE SPOTLESS BRIDE OF CHRIST". What better image could a man ( or woman) ask for?

[@Massis301]

Would you suggest Westminster Cathdral take down Eric Gill's Stations of the Cross because of his moral turpitude? Or the National Gallery remove their Caravaggio's? No, of course not.

[@ref6122]

The whole vibe of of the Novus Ordo or at least the way its celebrated is very effeminate.

[@brianbacon5149]

+JMJ It's casual. Men in flip flops, shorts and sandals. Women in halter tops and shorts. A lay person asks all amid the din (no one prays before Mass) to turn off their cell phones. The piano announces the procession of altar girls down the aisle The inanity, vulgarity and banality of it all is enough to make you either freeze and die in cringe or run for your life. I thank God for the TLM every day. It is the future, here and in the world to come.

[@michaelciccone2194]

He is reading from a teleprompter.....long monologues

[@johnmartin4650]

Sort of……

[@BCSTS]

I think the obsession of Latin Mass & post Vatican Mass are an unnecessary divisiveness ! It should be solved by both being allowed & criticism of each....put to rest !

[@Mark3ABE]

I agree. Let’s all compromise and go back to the form of Mass as it was celebrated in the early Church - in Greek!

[@johncassani6780]

The situation you advocate was essentially the law of the Church from 2007 to 2021, until Francis restricted things again. Of course, the TLM has only continued to grow, despite the ire of the Vatican and most bishops. They do not command anywhere near the level of respect required to sway the hearts of the faithful on this matter. In fact, the persecution almost certainly strengthens the traditionalist movement.

[@lauraanderson7358]

Christians come in many flavors huh.

[@justjacqueline2004]

Its the gays simple.

[@breakthroughmadeinusa9184]

FSSPX

[@premodernprejudices3027]

Because it's gay.

[@Jeannie-m6w]

Taylor Marshall has still got the Protestant heart. He is a shallow grifter.He has made a lot of money playing off people’s anger and disappointment in the Church. He also exploits people’s lack of being well catechised in the Faith. So, he comes off looking like he knows everything when he is in reality rather a shallow thinker.

[@johnjon1823]

Absolutely correct. Bingo. The guy needs prayer, and he is not alone.

[@Donnybrook10]

If you go to the Novus Ordo, apparently you also have the protestant heart because there is nothing Catholic about the modern Vatican 2 mass. This is an incredibly ignorant comment.

[@christopherclayton8577]

Oh, stop it.

[@Jeannie-m6w]

@@Donnybrook10 you assume a lot about me. You are wrong. But I know that obedience is Catholic and respect for ecclesial authority is paramount.

[@leaverus]

Do you even know what "grifter" means? In what way is Marshall swindling people?

[@daddycool228]

If you could do a more on depth and longer piece of men in the church it would be most appreciated

[@catholicunscripted]

Great suggestion. Will do

[@daddycool228]

@@catholicunscripted Thank you. I am a man and myself and my wife are trying to raise a son and daughter in the church . For my son (13) it seems lonely that he is the only male altar server and the only boy of his age attending. There may be others who need some help and guidance navigating this especially given the messages received by young boys in the prevailing secular system. Blessings to you all there at CU