How to Build Strategic Bombers

[@C4Cole05]

Part 1 Design Specs - 5:05 Part 2 The Engine - 8:04 Part 3 The Airframe - 11:26 Part 4 The flight model and control surfaces - 13:50 Part 5 The Weapons - 15:40 Part 6 (Not named but this seems like an optimal point for a 6th part, and he said 6 parts so...) Cinematic and testing - 19:00

[@Johnop69]

THanks

[@messier82ac]

Ah, someone did it for me lol

[@alonedoughnut]

@@messier82ac Quick, steal his work and make it look like you did it lol

[@roaling2]

You need a 0:00 intro

[@MagoVenezolano]

Thank you

[@threeleafclover6003]

You know what I find nuts, the Lancaster's bomb load was considered ridiculously large for it's time yet less than 25 years later the Buccaneer would carry an even larger bomb load at transonic speeds. The rate of progress never ceased to amaze me

[@misterperson3469]

And its carrier compatible!

[@moblinmajorgeneral]

Even earlier than that, the fully loaded weight of a Westland Wyvern was comparable to that of a fully loaded C-47.

[@messier82ac]

Many times have I pointed out to people that a single fighter jet can often carry well over the bombload of the biggest bombers of WW2. It's ridiculous to think about.

[@Losthewaronemus]

Or how about the F-111, which could carry over thirty thousand pounds of payload also just 25 years later, but at almost twice the speed of sound. Pretty crazy...

[@xevious4142]

Buccaneer is such a funny plane name to me. Like just say it. Buccaneeeeeeeer!

[@Skelbton]

Aw hell sonny you don’t need those fancy automated turrets, back on my day all we had was a rear mounted Lewis gun and we really gave the Kaiser hell.

[@jamesallison2753]

Back in my day we used are pistols like real meeeen

[@V3RTIGO222]

If you don't step out onto the wing and joust or resolve to fisticuffs, can you say you're a real ace?

[@jamesallison2753]

@@V3RTIGO222 aye I once saw a man split in two whilst boxing two Huns on the wing of his snipe (bloody good man he was)

[@matthewvanburen6415]

Airplanes are a damn gimmick sonny! All you really need is a good .577 Martini Henry. We really gave those Zulus hell.

[@h8GW]

All this global war nonsense could've been avoided if Chamberlain had taken a stroll to Berlin and challenged Hitler to a duel

[@Smooth_Bread]

8:19 "most internal combustion engines work on internal combustion" thank you Messier 82 for this information

[@Melonist]

Gonna need a source for that claim tbh

[@PaiSAMSEN]

"Strategic bombing is bombing thing strategically"

[@vornamenachname989]

"Most"

[@tjobrien4486]

Indubitably

[@lloot5692]

It's always nice getting a little physics-, aerospace-, or history lesson in the beginning of your vids, keep doing it please.

[@Losthewaronemus]

You forgot the memes

[@gelrond9958]

I agree, I’d like actual lesson videos too

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

I love these hypothetical designs. I would love a cold war war era build like this

[@ChaoticEnigma-]

That would just be the XB-70

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

@@ChaoticEnigma- I want to clarify what I meant, so Messier had a series where he used hindsight to make the best planes that would have been possible to make in a given era. He had one for world war 1 and 2

[@MonsterShun741]

0:17 They strike things at long range strategically as part of the long range strategic strike group.

[@bird5834]

Ace Combat 7 refrence

[@chicken9936]

I understand making a v22 osprey stealth would be hard so I am asking for something more reasonable. Supersonic v22 osprey with jet engines 👍

[@yapod9061]

That would be dope as fuck

[@TriggerVR657]

Look up the AV-42 kestrel

[@lunacae18]

​@@TriggerVR657 vtolvr enjoyer spotted

[@andrewitalasano6323]

The Bell XF-109, and EWR VJ 101C come to mind.

[@jakey6274]

He finally used different music in the building montage so we don't go insane

[@messier82ac]

It may not seem like it, but sourcing music is one of the hardest parts of making videos. My subscription to Artlist.io is the only reason why we haven't gotten the exact same music as when I started yt last year

[@jakey6274]

@@messier82ac omg, my favorite youtuber just acknowledged my existence. Mom, get the camera

[@DaveSCameron]

Defo no Pink Floyd fan eh! 😂😂😂

[@viperz3r016]

Hear me out, different Era of music for their respectful aircraft to that era

[@azamuddinsuhaily]

Featherless? ✅ Biped? ✅ Behold, a MAN

[@mentally.not.stable393]

this is a HUMAN!!!1!!!1!! - featherless ✅ - biped ✅ and he is STILL NOT paying TAXES!!!!1!!1!1!1!

[@irritatorgoner1087]

​@@mentally.not.stable393lol. I wouldn't pay either, if i could 😢

[@eddiedoesstuff872]

Diogenes the GOAT

[@jordandino417]

🐓

[@Sleeper____1472]

Is this an alien? Not human? ✅️ Alive? ✅️

[@ndfgaming6824]

So looking at it, bo is smack dab in the middle of wolf pack territory (ignoring how it's presence would affect that) so I woukd assune bo woukd have a large number of maritime patrol/asw aircraft.... wonder what they would look like.....

[@mikailvito7200]

Yeah ive never thought of that, I'd love to see a seaplane or something like the PB4Y Privateer

[@gustiwidyanta5492]

Probably Messier's take on the Shackleton.

[@messier82ac]

I never thought of that! That would make a very fun video if I were to break out of aviation/flyout KZbin. Either that, or I'll just build the marksman into a maritime patrol aircraft with different engines, a modified bomb-bay, and a gigantic extending radar to replace the current air-to-ground setup. (Wait that's just the shackleton)

[@UmbralWaffle]

@@messier82ac Hear me out: Airborne. Wolfpack.

[@UmbralWaffle]

U-569 makes the contact and lead them U-94 scores a kill in the dark U-124 sinking four in two approaches 406 suffers failure on launch again

[@Ramash440]

I used to love the He-111, that little blurb in the beginning is making me reconsider.

[@bensonfitch6697]

Yeah, it’s a cool plane, but it’s targets and methods were ultimately decided by nazis, so you kind of have to disconnect the plane and the people who operated it.

[@griff2162]

she build my anatomy until everything gets Messier

[@drowsylettuce3031]

Real

[@mikailvito7200]

It really reminds me of the Nakajima G8N1, especially the high caliber turret guns.

[@irritatorgoner1087]

I thought the same thing, the only difference is that the middle gear is in the tail. War Pain veteran like this comment.

[@Randomly_Browsing]

You mean tricycle landing gear​@@irritatorgoner1087

[@misterperson3469]

I think the brief history piece at the beginning worked well to establish why we wanted the design specs we want. How short/long it should be is probably worth experimenting with but putting the design goals in a context from the very start works well I think.

[@Woltenkamui]

18:50 HE SAID THE THING

[@A_Very_Angry_Fish_With_Knife]

Messier a flyout tip to make better curved pipes for exhaust is to select all of the edit points and move it to be on top of the default location then you can rotate it from the base making a ring (-thickasfrick taught me that so i can not clame this idea but i can spread the idea)

[@SaturnianDragon]

I want to see how you would redesign the F-104 Starfighter in Flyout, make it a worthy fighter instead of a coffin with wings. Maybe give it modern avionics too

[@heirofaniu]

The F-104 was a fine plane and the majority of losses were germans covering up for a lack of training in their pilots.

[@ratatataget]

​@@heirofaniuits hard to train pilots when the plane is unique and extremly hard to land.

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

It looks very similar to the B-32 Dominator, which would have been used over Japan in 1946 to prep the battlespace in support of the invasion. Great video!

[@kikichevy]

Looks pretty much like the type of bomber that would've been designed mid war and saw service in 46-49, only to do basically nothing before being scrapped cause jets are a thing now. Great build tho!

[@maxmachac9756]

Yes! Another Messier upload! Easily one of my favourite on the site

[@pongo23597]

Looks cool, looks like an F7F Tigercat crossed with a Lancaster

[@irritatorgoner1087]

"this is the best damn bomber i have ever flight" - some historical figure in aviation history

[@TeenWithACarrotIDK]

@@irritatorgoner1087 “flying this thing makes me come so hard.” -someone who flew this aircraft

[@lewislaws6770]

looks to me like a Shackleton, which is based off the Lincoln, which was based on the lancaster

[@Rullstolsboken]

videos similar to this with other types of planes from other eras would be a great series. and you dont even have to make specific aircraft for these, you can use fotage from your other videos if said plane fits

[@jamescarranza420]

I'm planning on designing a long-range bomber in simpleplanes, I'm sure some might think the game is a bit dated but I don't care it's fun as fuck and the second game is coming out next year

[@cascara5607]

you design really looks like a lengthened combination of a b32 dominator and a a26 invader, def looks the part of a hypothetical world war two strategic bomber, wonderful work

[@subspacesub2248]

I'd LOVE to see documentaries from you dude!

[@Nihilist_Saint]

Looks like an Avro Shackleton and kind of works like a late model B-29 with the high altitude bombardment at night.

[@crowbargaming9118]

“The year is 1940” “The combustion chamber would send our piston into low orbit”

[@3personal5me8]

I'm having a really shitty day, and I didn't realize how much a new video from you would cheer me up

[@kyspena]

Why did I just find this channel and not years ago. Atleast now i have content to ease my ADHD for days nonstop. Awesome stuff 💪

[@rainbowappleslice]

3:05 implies that the british built radar to counter the bombing in the blitz, which ignores the fact that the chain home early warning radar came online before the war started and was the worlds first operational military radar system.

[@MadSpectro7]

"In order to keep our internal combustion engine from turning into an external combustion engine" is stoll one of the funniest things youve ever said.

[@ilbey]

Yo history videos sound great, i would love that

[@blackburngaming8345]

Ah, ze flugabwehrkanone. The original "fuck everything in that direction" gun

[@dimitrijekrunic7168]

every single time!!!!! Every. Single. Time. Every time I see ur vids, I just go ham, boot up trailmakers, and then make an OVER POWERED build. Yea. Im just kinda like that lol

[@irritatorgoner1087]

ATTENTION, LOTS OF TEXT! Hello, I just wanted to say that I loved this design. However, there are a few changes I would make to this model, the main one being no pressurization. Now, I admire your idea of making an aircraft that would be safer for the crew, so they wouldn't have to face -50°C cold, but there are three, maybe four, problems with that: the cost(the b-29 cost 3 billions of dollars for the program alone), the production line, the weight because of the pressurization and last but not least the German insistence(jets). However, not everything is super negative reviews, far from it, I know this is just a "simplified" model, there are still things I would like to improve the aircraft's capabilities. The towers would be a twin 20mm to wreck anny german fighter, regardless they size or speed. The engines could have a interesting design that it was used in the fw 190 that's the use of a fan between the propeller and engine which would allowed to hide the air intakes above the engine(there's a channel named Greg that explain it better than me) and there's some minor improve such a nose upper bubble for star navigation, like that one in the b-17, a bomb bay door similar to the b-24(because it has less drag), some windows behind the cockpit for radio operator and fly engineer to look at the engines, air filters, fuel injection if u are crazy and the fw 190 nose to make it look cool Overall this it's just my opinion, in the end i not even a aeronatic engineer so u can ignore with you want( just don't attack please😢), i just a boy that love warbirds, and some heavy ones, it's your plane so do the way u prefer. Try make a fighter that can also be used by the navy, or just for the navy😅

[@maskunka3257]

amazing videos as always messier! you inspired me to design an aircraft on paper, Thanks fot being so entertaining, you're amazing!

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

This video really makes you think about how WW2 caused the Geneva Convention.

[@bmouch1018]

Messier, this is your Magmum Opus. It's so beautiful and detailed I love it

[@josephfenech9401]

Also, the Bomber Video was excellent!

[@istdaslol]

fun fact: it turned out that heavy machinery and railroads tent to be quite robust / quick easy fix. so the allies ended up bombing the same factories day after day in a kinda loonie toons way

[@FrogAviation]

It’s funny how as soon as humans discover something new we immediately use it to make weapons to use in war

[@B2Stratofortress]

This bomber reminds me very very much of the PE-8 Soviet heavy and bomber and also try to make a dive/torpedo bomber inspired from the TB-1 or the SBD-3

[@GaijinCartoonist]

Mix the documentary chunks just like you did. Splice it in. This is dope

[@Buttered_Charcoal]

amazing work dude!

[@uku4171]

The difference between terror bombing and regular strategic bombing isn't the amount of non-combatant casualties. It's the motivation/goal of the mission. Aka the way by which it's supposed to negatively affect the enemy. If the goal of a bombing is to destroy manufacturing capabilities or logistics hubs, then the targets are usually civilians, since workers in munitions factories or train stations for example are usually civilians. That's not terror bombing. What makes something terror bombing is if the goal is to negatively affect people's morale, not strategic capabilities. The bombing of Dresden was not terror bombing. It was bombed for its strategic value. It didn't have much value for terror bombing, since its bombing was only used as propaganda by the Germans, thus raising morale, not lowering it. On the other hand, Hiroshima and Nagasaki could arguably be considered as terror bombings, even though they had significant military value. This is because although the targets were chosen by their military and strategic value, the intended effect was to shock the Japanese into surrendering. It would've been much cheaper to just firebomb the cities as they had done with many others, but a single bomb glassing almost an entire city has much more of a shock value.

[@angrdbonz3423]

Strategic bombing IS terror bombing. One of the biggest strategic advantages of strategic bombing was intended to be the diminishing of enemy morale, so that can't be a key difference. Terror bombing was just a propaganda term invented during WW2 to galvanise support from civilians and sew negative sentiments towards the enemy.

[@V3RTIGO222]

Debatable as strategic bombing ostensibly intends to only target military targets with the intent of removing the enemys ability to use or produce military assets... But the accuracy of such mass bombing campaigns effectively makes such distinctions moot if not meaningless especially with the use of incendiary weapons.

[@DOSFS]

@@V3RTIGO222 Also the fact that most factories and other industrial and manefactoring area are 'likely' to located near dense civilian area (idk people might want to not travel far from their workplace or something), plus horrible accuracy of any type of high release boming equal... yeah. But they are clear intend of something between high-up directly order to bomb clearly civilians area and order bomb industrial areas anyway but are aiming at the same thing and might have some same effect but they are difference.

[@죽은_시민의_사회]

Actually, the allied calculus behind the logic of strategic bombing in Europe was that a mathematics model found out that Axis industrial capacity could be crippled by making people homeless by bombing them. Breaking morale was more of a side effect than the main purpose. The german bombings of Britain would be terror bombings, since they targeted morale

[@paullywog2477]

Yeah, it seems like the difference between 'destroy this military thing, like 90% of the victims are going to be civilians but that's an acceptable rate' and 'hey destroy this military thing, and make sure that we get like 90% civilian casualties to scare the shit out of them.' the intent is kinda different, but it's still basically the same thing

[@V3RTIGO222]

@@paullywog2477 I think the universal ban on incendiary weapons after the war is an acknowledgement that the possible harm to civillians was poorly evaluated and admittedly catastrophic.

[@woober6]

Mr messier i think that although historical vids would be fun, its an interesting way to bump your video schedule from 3 weeks to 3 months

[@Solstice_AC]

Came for the bomber design, stayed for the history lessons, keep it up 👍

[@lunden6881]

I love watching these videos and just pretending I understand what you're talking about when it comes to building the plane

[@roaling2]

16:13 i thought he was going to say that the aircrafts primary purpose was to save lives

[@mentally.not.stable393]

13:29 THIS IS CLEARLY A HUMAN!! And he is still NOT PAYING TAXES!!1!!!1!1

[@RayHope_D]

Bro finally dropped

[@Spoon80085]

Make a stealth aircraft as it would have been possible/applicable in WW2

[@Galactipod]

paint it gray and fly at night

[@Spoon80085]

@@Galactipod You could still reduce radar signature I'm talking like tech possible not engineering

[@dlemon90]

That turned out awesome!!

[@MichaelMckinnon-q6e]

Strategic bombing is targeting industry and infrastructure targets although the reason that a lot of civilians died was because there were very few "Smart Bombs" during WWII. The B-29 was introduced in 1942. WWII bombers didn't have radar. The combatants during WWII used Turbo superchargers as well as various assists (ie 50/50 Methanol/water mixture or the German GM-1 superpower device using nitrous oxide fuel injection). Oboe was RDF rather than radar although the British did develop aircraft radar, it was used exclusively in night fighters.

[@302ci1968]

Very entertaining and interesting video. Again. Keep up the good work, thank you

[@TacticalDumbas5]

My great grandfather actually flew a Lancaster in the Second World War, he made it through the entire thing. Wish I could have met him, apparently he was a lovely man.

[@lightspeedvictory]

Requesting a supersonic stealth VTOL fighter that uses canard rotor wing technology for VTOL flight but turns into an oblique wing for forward flight. Has thrust vectoring and adaptive cycle engines

[@migueldoesstuff6994]

God I love this channel

[@ACEE_femboy]

Thanks, now I can build a long range strategic bomber for home defence

[@timehmalzeuzkeh7618]

about forced induction and intercooling, heat from the exhaust gases have little effect on manifold pressure, as they do not come into contact with the impellor wheel of the turbo. Must heat in relation to turbocharging comes from physically compressing the air. Compressing air increases its heat as its the same thermal energy in a smaller space. "Heat soak," while certainly not completely negligible, is quite small.

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

I for one am totally down for the occasional documentary.

[@rondaxen88]

Thank you for mentioning the atrocities the Allies committed during the war. Not enough people talk about them.

[@Funtime_One_Time]

One thing to note is that the americans at the start of the bombing aimed for military targets and factories, often near cities, so they bombed during the day for more acurate bombing. The british bombed at night using area bombing, hitting cities just as the germans did in the battle of britain. Towards the end of the war, the american bomvers did aim for civilian cities.

[@peceed]

High altitude flight can be faster, making it difficult to intercept by night fighters (a complicated operation involving a guidance station) and be invulnerable to flak fire. A night bomber should have trade-offs other than the lack of turbochargers - first of all, it should eliminate defensive gunnery (except perhaps the tail), which reduces drag and allows for an increased bomb load. And of course, reduce losses when shot down. It seems quite possible to reduce the crew to 2 people (3 in the case of a tail turret).

[@pavelkoudelka8934]

1) the biggest risk for bombers over Germany were fighters, not flack... 2) especially for night bombers, they did a study regarding defensive armament during the war... They came to the conclusion that it would be optimal if Lancaster gave up all machine guns :) thanks this would make it possible to significantly speed up these machines, and at the same time they could carry a heavier bomb load, so for a given number of bombs on targets, the British would lose fewer machines and, above all, significantly fewer crew members. In the end, they decided to keep the gunner primarily for reasons of the morale of the soldiers, and also because it would be a highly controversial decision... 3) but good work, you can see that you put a lot of effort and energy into those designs

[@vsmg1877]

Another added advantage of night bombing is that civilians tend to be asleep and therefore have a harder time getting to bomb shelters, leading to an "increased strategic value" per raid.

[@Tupolev.114]

Just asking but didn't Japan experiment with turbochargers too? They were present in the Ki-87 and G8N1 (probably some others that I can't remember)

[@jameson1239]

Pretty much every country had atleast one turbocharged aircraft I don’t know why he said only really the US and Germany did

[@theturtlechannel6081]

I would honestly love if you did documentaries.

[@giga-ratsey1420]

I wanna see you make a video trying out SimplePlanes, as it is an older game with a different building system in almost every way, and despite that people still make crazy things that are extremely detailed with all the XML modding available and stuff.

[@SecondStar2theRight]

I would love a history lesson from you

[@john_mystery]

Something to think about, radar jaming was also a thing in ww2, the mosquito was partially used in this role

[@redactedredacted4080]

Figured out a reason why they would have the expensive engines and such. It’s because a good portion of the raid would happen at during the day. They reached Germany. It would still be there be barely light or just had sunset so there’s a chance that they might encounter patrolling fighters in route. Something I think you need is a World War II Maritime strike aircraft. I mean your island is well in Ireland. It lives dies by the world’s oceans so American strike, and patrol aircraft would be needed.

[@AxisGMD2010]

I love this plane, it’s beautiful. If I had a 3d printer id try to make a model. Unfortunately I don’t have fly out and my parents won’t let me get Discord cuz “document leaks” whilst proceeding to let me get war thunder (the community leaking said documents). Great plane W vid!

[@FalloutProto]

Would fins on the exposed exhaust help substantially enough with heatsoak to matter?

[@Knot_Sean]

Yeah but the drag and weight induced from even one fin wouldn’t be worth vs just keeping it flat.

[@jgtrx]

Proto comments and user with “knot” in name replies… furry moment

[@jetfuelmeme]

Goated Diogenes reference 🔥

[@tauncfester3022]

The Chain Home radar system was active during the Battle of Britain. Also did you know that some turbocharged aviation radials also have a single stage supercharger in series with the turbo so any attempt to cool the intake air prior to the supercharger is a wasted effort with the supercharger just putting more heat into your carefully cooled intake air. Speaking of your obsessive focus on charge and exhaust cooling, some mighty big aero engines did just fine with what little cooling one intercooler could cope with. Having so many coolers between the exhaust and intake... For one thing, use heat resistant steels in the tube(s) carrying the exhaust gasses, insulate it well, and don't cool it as your taking energy away from the turbocharger. Do some studies on the big engines like the P&W Double Wasp, Wright Duplex Cyclone and the sleeve valve 18 cylinder Bristol Pegasus.. Also, you are going to need great volumetric efficiency, like either 4 valves per cylinder or sleeve valves; putting in a bunch of space and volume flow wasting radiators to get more power is going to not work as great as you think. There's a ton of very thin but very cold air up at 29K, as long as your aircooled engine(s) have a well designed internal cooling duct and cowling, and a cooling flaps that don't induce too much drag.. And then there is the real biggie: Be prepared to have all your whiz-bang recip engine tech be rapidly become irrelevant in less than 10 years time as the jet turbine and more importantly the gas turboshaft/prop start to surpass all your reinventing the wheel. it's inevitable, the first C130 flew when, 1954? With 3000 hp per engine in less weight, size, and complexity.

[@ianmanor6361]

Beautiful, gotta make one myself sometime

[@remkirkthegamer1157]

11:09 DOUBLE WASP MENTIONED I FUCKING LOVE THE GRIN OF "FUCK YOUR A6M"

[@Nyx571]

our glorious Bo's Airforce continues to grow its arsenal.

[@Shatterwings060]

You know sometimes I wonder and dream of an idea of what WW2 would have looked like if we gotten missiles systems early... like imagine if some madman went back in time and just went absolutely ham in designing, then building missiles; all so he could see a P-51 shoot aim-9s at helpless Bf-109s.

[@stugg.]

8:04 that oil genuinely brought me discomfort

[@kevanhubbard9673]

But flying to Messier 82 in one would take billions of years!

[@SuburbaniteUrbanite]

I like to think about the first guy to think to point an 88 up, fire it, and see what happens.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

Fairly Vibey Ploon design Incredible Historical Misframing

[@Tiger_WarFare]

7:24 You took my T-34 >:l

[@Thebootlegengineer]

U should make an interceptor next

[@Qued_]

You should make a tank with functional tracks

[@Commander9013]

20:21 white text on a white background nice job mann xD

[@reg9569]

This guy couldve gone to college and became an aircraft engineer but instead made planes on flyout

[@parallel-knight]

How did the bomber gunners on on B-29 for example with powered turrets aim/see the targets? On B-17/24 and so on those would hold the guns and point them.

[@bluntcabbage6042]

Look closely at the fuselage and you can see a variety of glass bubbles. Those are the places where gunners could observe and acquire targets

[@Knot_Sean]

Definitely gonna steal these engines, They are beautiful. The nacelles and landing gear as well. 😂😭 I cannot make nice detailed parts like these but I can take other stuff or kit bash extremely well. I can draw and make blueprints extremely well its just the execution into flyout, I’m dogwater.

[@josephfenech9401]

Next Video: Anatomy of a WW2 Bomber Interceptor (and How to Build One)

[@puffythehaggis5680]

What's the turret armament on this? I saw the 15 mm for the 4 quad turrets but the 2 tail turret cannons look a little heavier.

[@Scobragon]

That is legit beautiful airplane.

[@Paul-sus]

I'd love to see more "tutorial-like" videos

[@gudnisnaer8171]

Wouldnt remote controled turrets be kind of useless during night bombing with 1940's tech

[@StabyMcStabsFace]

The P-61 would like to have words.

[@System0Error0Message]

during ww2 there were some long different engines like the H configuration piston engines, How would it be if you redesigned your bomber with these long engines and put the propellers infront and behind the engine? there was a german fighter with 2 engines with a front and back engine config through, flies weird and worse than a japanese fighter meant to have a jet but never got it with the propeller being at the rear.

[@marclewis-akther4080]

"most internal combustion engines run on internal combustion"