Metal snob OWNED with FACTS & LOGIC!!! (Become The Knight interview | The Punk Rock MBA Podcast)

Become The Knight aka Mike The Music Snob joins to talk about progressive metal, metal guitarists' limitations, songwriting, being a KZbinr and more.
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[@anthonyrowland9072]

"hard to play doesn't make it good" is something so many can learn from.

[@Heatwave9000]

No one says this about classical music. Why is metal any different? Its not even trying to be a mainstream genre anyway. There are absolutely songs out there that are too simple.

[@seanentrikin9263]

I agree. Just as “easy and simple doesn’t make it good”. A good song is a good song. Whether it’s simple or complex.

[@shadowrealmentertainment666]

@@seanentrikin9263 I respectfully disagree. What’s considered good in the realm of art is overall subjective. Having these type of conversations defeats the purpose.

[@XTheJenovaProjectX]

I say this all the time. Overly complex solos (Slayer) aren’t my thing at all. They just sound chaotic and messy even tho they take a lot of talent

[@anthonyrowland9072]

@@XTheJenovaProjectX i get that "9 string sweep metal" takes talent but it has absolutely no soul to it.

[@ryanbollinger1759]

Even though I disagree with a lot of what Mike says I love the guy. He’s very insightful and genuine and has a wonderful critical eye and I love that you brought him on the show!

[@EnvisionedBlindness]

I have the same perspective on finn. I disagree with the majority of what he has to say but it doesn't make his input any less valuable to a discussion

[@robwalsh9843]

Same. I disagree with a lot of Mike's takes, but that's okay.

[@howiemandel5787]

Yea u know someone is gonna be really chill & funny when they got a dream theater poster in their room & they don’t immediately make u hate them with their personality & everything they say😂

[@commodore6430]

don't kiss his ass

[@howiemandel5787]

@@commodore6430 LMAOOOO fr I hate people who talk like this like oh my god bro get off your knees & spit his load out it’s not that serious 🤣

[@KeyOfGeebz]

This was great, Finn. Been watching Mike for a while - he's super articulate, has a strong grip on the biz end of the record industry, and dig his "George Carlin" kind of delivery/vibe.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Thank you for watching!

[@dodgrblu]

Hey Geebz! cool to see you outside the channel. Yeah I like Mike's very honest thought out perspectives. I haven't watched many of his videos because I simply don't have time, but it's always an interesting view. I think that the negative criticisms here regarding metal are only valid to certain types of metal though, and I think all of the metal where this doesn't apply much has been ignored.

[@JHAN1212]

I find it annoying how other metal musicians seem to act like their music is super unique when it really isn't, rather than learning to embrace that their music is iterative and traditional by today's standards. I like to make riff-driven sludgy stoner doom songs, and I often like to compare the creative process to blues music: it has a specific sound, certain melodies and rhythms, and has somewhat strict subject matter. Whenever I tell people that my music is iterative and unoriginal they assume that I'm being self-deprecating, when I genuinely don't see those things as inherently bad. It's music that l like, and is within my means to play. I see my genre as musical comfort food; it consistently hits the spot, and I can listen to it at almost any time. While I also love listening to progressive music, I just don't have the time or interest to make something like that.

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Well said!

[@JosephRivera588]

I think its cool that people coming from totally opposite areas of music are finding tons they have in common. People in politics should take notes

[@JohnGalt916]

Sounds nice in theory but politics is war by other means. You're not going to get 2 women to agree on abortion when one sees it as a right and the other sees it as literally ending a child. But you can get them to agree on blast beats.

[@toddgombeda3433]

100% agreed the world would be a better place.

[@Blinkptx]

Seriously!! One of my best and oldest friends, while we do have things in common, is very much opposite from me in many ways. She's religious, and I'm definitely not. She leans one way in politics, and I lean the other. We disagreed on the Roe V Wade issues this year, and we have talked about it. Civilly. Without getting heated, or even annoyed. Our conversations are pretty much always full of laughs and love regardless of the topics and disagreements. I wish more people could be like that. Maybe we could make some progress in society instead of just screaming at one another getting nowhere.

[@TentiousTheCrow]

People in politics acting civil like this? Never.

[@rasputozen]

They're not really comparable. Let's say you're a woman or gay/trans, how do you talk civilly to someone like Ben Shapiro who wants to take away your rights and is actively fomenting hate/violence towards you on a daily basis?

[@janelle7778]

I love that you can just have a conversation and keep it respectful and insightful too. It’s a great example!

[@JustinProper]

I was anticipating some sort of debate or disagreement, but I loved this conversation. Long time viewer of Mike's. You guys are both awesome!

[@schwolmart]

Never really watched the podcast before but this 1hr runtime is absolutely perfect

[@hailhummus]

This was a fun chat to listen to! I also agree 100% on the over-emphasis on guitar in modern rock/metal. It's wild that when a band adds a very basic synth for atmosphere, metal fans go "what is this, EDM?" And then you have Industrial music which can be heavy AF without any drums or guitar at all

[@hands_media]

"Progressive music" has lost a lot of of its "progressive" ideals and now has traditions and trappings like any other genre. That's why bands are still chasing the Tool sound, the Dream Theater sound, etc. In a sense "progressive music" has become a genre with specific stylings, not music that is pushing any sort of envelope inherently And, yeah fusion is WAY cooler in terms of progressive music vs. rock. It's just more "fun" in my opinion.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

IMO progressive in the true sense of the word were the early 70's rock bands like Genesis, Yes, Van der Graaf, and the late 70's/early 80's post-punk bands like Talking Heads, Magazine, Gang of Four. The sense of cohesive song structure was complete lost with Prog Metal. Jazz fusion is a whole different ball game though. Its virtuosity is actually functional; each player has to go through this intricate maze of uninstinctive chords and come up with something creative while they're doing it.

[@martinjakab]

@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 You are making generalizations about fusion. It definitely isnt always cohesive.

[@Mantis.Sartinoli]

This is a crossover I didn't know I needed! Love these guys. I've been consuming more of Finn's content over Mike's later but both channels are amazing and really have helped me form my own opinions and respect others'.

[@TentiousTheCrow]

Absolutely love both of your channels. This is honestly peak KZbin for me rn.

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

As superficially different as you are, you two are very entertaining to watch together. You’re each very insightful in your own ways. Your different perspectives work well off of each other, and you look for common ground. Considering that I suggested Mike as a guest on Twitter way back when, you guys have made my day. This podcast may have someday happened regardless of my suggestion, given that you were aware of each other, but thanks for doing it now of all times.

[@Cx_Howlett]

He’s one of my favorite music KZbinrs. Super glad you did this interview with him. It was great

[@MrRager1996]

Been quietly waiting for this collaboration for a long time. Glad it finally happened.

[@Meshuggapeth]

Love straight up conversations about music. Keep them coming

[@2ballsyourjaws]

I can already tell this will be my favorite video to date.

[@MarioLuigi-yz9pz]

This my favorite video kzbin.info/www/bejne/npiul3dopp1nlas

[@RipperDio]

Bin watching both your channels for awhile now. Super cool to see you work together

[@jdestrada6281]

Mike deserves more recognition! Love that guy!

[@diamandidiamandiev3547]

Love that you got Mike on the podcast. You two are my favorite music channels

[@elosoguapo8137]

This is a good example of how two guys who maybe without talking and just watching each other’s videos would hate each other, but after a little conversation find out that they can be good friends

[@photobearcmh]

Great conversation gents. Thanks for bringing him on.

[@jessewallace666]

Def best (mostly) rock KZbinrs. Both good dudes with passionately different taste and that’s the conversations that are the best

[@plusmin09]

I always looked at the title "Progressive" as more of a reference to the less standard song structure, rather than implying that the song or band is making some type of progress in music itself. If that's the case then any artist doing anything new could be considered "Progressive". (I know that's kind of what you're getting at, but I disagree with the nomenclature) Either way, just like any genre title, "Progressive" is what a certain sound of music was given when it first came in the limelight. It is now a noun in this context, not an adjective. I think another example of this is Gangster Rap. There are now plenty of rappers in that genre that aren't really gangsters. It is no longer a description of the origin of that sound, but a title in itself.

[@Yenneffer]

I was ready for a showdown, but y'all just agreed on everything. Just way too wholesome. What a bummer. :p

[@MofosOfMetal]

One of the most complementary couplings I've seen in a KZbin discussion ever! TOTALLY different tastes, totally different backgrounds - but a respectful discussion conducted with utmost humility and openness. Even if I agree and resonate more with one side than the other - I feel elevated by the interplay of perspectives offered by both. Great chat!

[@seandempseymusic]

Oh another interview between two of my favorite youtubers? Yes please lol

[@davidclark3588]

Hell yeah. Mike was actually how I found you, Finn. Nice to see you guys having a talk

[@Bedrockbrendan]

Interesting discussion. On the part about writing from vocals. I came from a metal background. One trick that used to help me was to write some guitar melodies by singing over the chords first until I had something that was moving to me. By starting on vocals and using my voice, it made the phrasing more relatable I think and led to melodies that were more catchy. I didn't do it for all guitar melodies, and I did start with chord structures, but for me it was a bit of a breakthrough. I also made a point of taking a long time to write the melody (listening to a recording of the chords for the day and singing over it throughout the day)

[@ShapeShifterPB]

That's interesting

[@Montanajj]

Hmmm gonna try this out

[@lowenbad]

Watching you two talk reminded me of a friend of mine and myself. We disagree on almost everything musically, but we still talk and text about music almost every day. We both like metal, but hardly ever agree on an artist or sub genre…. But we still love and respect each other.

[@nothingelse1520]

Wow Finn you have never heard a Pink Floyd song all the way through? IMO you owe it to yourself to listen to The Wall all the way through without skipping any tracks. So many bands have tried to make a "The Wall for current times" over the years. I saw Roger Waters in May glad I got that off my bucket list.

[@whosaidthat84]

Pink Floyd ain't for everyone. I think they're amazing but they can be a tough sell to those who aren't typically into 70s rock.

[@reverb508]

I’ve tried multiple times to get into Pink Floyd and always bounce off. I’ve listened to a good chunk of their discography and simply find it dull. I don’t like the vocals, I don’t like the lyrics, I don’t “get” the Gilmour worship. It’s all just kinda boring to me. Oh well, different strokes for different folks.

[@nothingelse1520]

@@reverb508 imo The Wall is the best thing they ever did.

[@killface69]

I agree with Fin. I fully understand Pink Floyd breaking boundaries and people loving them; however, I can't get through a single song myself. No disrespect. I just really don't like it. With that said, If I had grown up in that era and found them to be something different I would probably feel different.

[@nothingelse1520]

@@killface69 I didn't actually get info Floyd in the 70s was in the early 1990s. I went through all of my families CDs. Pink Floyd's The Wall was the classic rock album that really grabbed me. It's been ripped off over and over if you listen too it all the way through once you will see where in a lot of other albums

[@dormammusubjective5774]

I've been playing guitar for 20 years and have studied theory for about 5 years. I learned how to identify more chords on piano than guitar after 1 lesson. Obviously not memorized but could figure it out just by counting half-steps. I wish I had picked up piano along with guitar back then because it really makes theory so much more straightforward where an instrument like guitar is camouflaged. Using both to write can be very advantageous.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

Yes. Keys are the best for theory, violin is the best for developing your ear (because there is no other way). It's almost as if the guitar was design to prevent you from being a "serious" musician lol

[@cosmicsea666]

If I remember correctly, Piggy from VoiVod wrote on the piano first, then played it on guitar second. As an Electronic music fan, I started to hear tracks played on guitar and thought it was cool that someone interpret keyboards that way.

[@damienalvarez2957]

Mike keeps it real. I think that’s what I like most about him.

[@christopherrowe7860]

I'm really glad to see these two guys together

[@orcslayer890]

So an interesting thing about Linkin Park's song writing I learned from the Minute to Midnight special edition DVD. While working with Rick Rubin he told them that they wrote music like pop or rap artists instead of rock artists in Hybrid Theory and Meteora with lyrics first. So they did a lot of experimenting with how they wrote songs on the record in different. It's probably why sonically it's the most all over the place record.

[@Gemxvx]

Cool discussion! Liking to hear what different people think

[@christophercheney1006]

That was great! You guys need to do this sorta thing on a regular basis.

[@huntermoffitt3959]

This would be a really good podcast duo to talk about the music industry, different albums, musical cultures, etc.

[@badoocee1967]

Gentle Giant-The Power & The Glory- GREAT ALBUM fellas. It definitely has that 70's English Folklore Prog sound that one can enjoy.👑

[@israelthacker8568]

Love me some Gentle Giant

[@hiimmistergay4247]

Yes

[@connerstines1578]

Acquiring The Taste is by far my favorite, just the best kind of weird. Even the cover art is great.

[@andgar923]

Finn: I never listened to a full Pink Floyd song Finn: I like prog that has jazz Pink Floyd is based on blues, JAZZ, funk, electronic. It may sound basic to some people today, but shit was revolutionary for it’s time and continues to hold up well influencing artists today!

[@blakerunyon8523]

André Antunes is a great example of writing from vocals/melodies. Got me into Nooran Sisters and husband calling.

[@Nickysticksofficial]

YES!!! The best combo i’ve been waiting to hear get together!!!😮🎉

[@alexandermorrison388]

ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!! LOVED THIS VIDEO

[@boombabyize]

I love both y’all !! Ty for this .. good still exists

[@billygreenbean7119]

Talking about song lengths and peoples time… reasons why I love punk songs 1. Short and sweet and to the point 2. Often just as thrash as metal but with more of a fun attitude, funny lyrics not always angry 3. Catchy AF Punk rock 4 life baby😈🤘🏼🥁🎸

[@asloii_1749]

I like the edge and rebelliousness but the music just isn’t my thing

[@billygreenbean7119]

@@asloii_1749 well that’s your taste, and no one can tell you otherwise, that’s the beauty of it, right? I used to like metal the most and punk was number 2, now those have switched. I think it feels like punk doesn’t take itself as seriously which matches my personality. It’s fun to play and sing. Like you can play punk at a party, play metal at a party you getting kicked off the song select position lol.

[@Thiago_Alves_Souza]

It depends what genre of metal. Symphonic, power or a progressive version of any of those metals are mainly vocals; nightwish, Epica, Sonata Artica, Angra, etc vocals are the main point since a lot of the singers are classically trained.

[@ThePirateCasey]

It's my birthday Finn, first thing I'm doing is watching your new video. Thanks for all the entertainment!

[@Blindtechnician]

Happy birthday! I hope you have a great day!

[@katten39]

Happy Birthday!

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Happy birthday!

[@megadouche]

Happy birthday man!

[@cok1707]

Happy birthday! I turned 18 2 days ago

[@natelapointe4728]

Great video! Really very interesting topics discussed. I'm subscribed to both of your guy's channels, so to get this today with the both of you is fire 🔥! Thanks!

[@nailbanger777]

Awesome video Finn! 💯

[@jakobthonen9411]

Honestly loved this. Big fan of both channels and you both had a lot of good things to say.

[@drimblewedge2789]

The knight on the horse cover of the album is Return To Forever’s “Romantic Warrior.”

[@0pher545]

I’ve been waiting for this interview my whole life,

[@michaelreid1271]

Im 31 an I grew up on Kiss, Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin an a lot of the originals.I can easily fall back into their music jus cause of nostalgia an jus feelings I had when first hearing them.I think its a unique perspective to come in the way you guys did.I dont know that I could have the same love for the OGs either from that lense...

[@CompleteProducer84]

So the way progressive music is going, there will be a new band called Djentle Giant

[@CidsaDragoon]

On writing from vocals or other instruments, I think you see more in certain sub-genres. The main songwriters for Powerwolf and Alestorm are keyboardists so they probably start there, and bands like Amorphis, Insomnium, Eluveitie, etc also sound like they are starting from something other than guitar. Actually I wonder if a lot of these bands get shit on by metal purists *because* they don't focus so hard on guitar and riffs and being brootal.

[@TonyTunes95]

I’m a fan of Become The Knight . Good dude

[@Sahasrahla.]

15:23 - always great to see some respect for Celestial Troupe in Valkyrie Profile 2, that song has stuck in my head for over a decade now.

[@jonathansurrey8230]

I need to see a Finn mckenty interview with Anthony fantano arguing about butt rock and nu metal

[@loompy1440]

You guys feed off each other in a good way. I realized I want attention with my guitar playing years ago and it bummed me out for a long time when I first faced The fact that I have an inferiority complex motivating me. It’s okay though I also have abandonment/ daddy issues. Let’s turn our mental illnesses into art until the day we can no longer afford to.

[@richardb2652]

I disagree with a lot of things that both of these guys say. But that is the beauty of Metal/Punk culture. I have met a lot of musicians and by far Metalheads have a love for music that is unrivaled. The level of diverse musical interests and intelligence is insane.

[@davesleyer9393]

I’ve always been the opposite of these guys. I’ve always been interested in the roots of music. Metallica made me want to listen to misfits and gbh. Nirvana made me dig into flipper and the pixies. Motörhead led me to old rockabilly. It’s not like music has an expiration date

[@connerstines1578]

I never got the "this sounds dated" as if that's some sort of critique as well. Granted I only listen to "dated" music but the point stands.

[@davesleyer9393]

@@connerstines1578 yeah man sounding dated isn’t always bad. Music Is a time capsule. Don’t stay stuck in the past but know you’re history

[@emptysoul9555]

@@davesleyer9393 Pink Floyd is "dad prog" according to Finn 🤷‍♂️

[@davesleyer9393]

@@emptysoul9555 spoken like a man who’s favorite food is dinosaur nuggets and French fries

[@Nickysticksofficial]

Damn I wish this was longer. Please do another sometime with Mike / Become the Knight

[@Default78334]

Your discussion about song intros brings up an interesting point with the current state of music: if you look at lots of songs released these days, the intro will be almost exactly thirty seconds long because that's the threshold to get paid for a Spotify stream.

[@plusmin09]

I've never heard that in contemporary music. I assume you're talking about mainstream, or pop music right? I think that a 30 second intro would be more likely to drop listeners.

[@plusmin09]

I think the biggest drum hook of all time is the beginning of "We Will Rock You"!

[@patch8376]

Starting with a pop hook and building on and crafting a full metal song around it actually makes perfect sense. It's being done the other way around. I don't listen to a lot of pop/dance music, but from watching hockey, I hear pop/dance remixes of classic rock and metal songs playing at arenas after whistles pretty often. Clearly some in the dance sphere are listening to catchy rock and metal and realizing there are hooks that cross over well. Why can't it work both ways?

[@TheRealAb216]

Devin Townsend is the most progressive man in all of music

[@theirishpotato6588]

I agree

[@Lancelot30]

I mean his new album has elements of prog, tech death, thrash metal, pop, dance and electronica, ambient, acoustic guitar music, chamber vocals, symphonic, EDM and literally everything in between. I think his entire career as an artist is the definition of progressive.

[@theirishpotato6588]

@@Lancelot30 facts. I love him

[@fourseasons4105]

Yep,my favorite artist of all time and there are still plenty of innovative new bands that reinforce that same spirit, these guys are overgeneralizing the genre.

[@BwAaS]

I understand that Hendrix might not be for everybody, But there is no world where you can deny his greatness! Sure you don't like The Wind Cries Mary, But can you deny it's influence on everything that came after it?

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

I feel like in media at large, it’s not just that it promotes clout chasers but that it’s polarized between clout chaser and pure, unfettered artist. There are ways in which artists are presented, even falsely, as incredible visionaries who are on a whole other plane of existence from us mere mortals. The superficial trappings of the pure artist are merely used as branding. Tantacrul’s video “Musical Elitism Is Everywhere” has a segment exploring this aspect of culture further. Also, this perception can sometimes lead people to romanticize suffering, outcast artists who need genuine help rather than fetishistic attention. Society needs to not only reject clout chasing but understand artistry on a healthier, more meaningful level.

[@Oldy-dingo]

Hi...New Order nerd here. Blue Monday is a cover by Orgy. Originally a New Order classic. But it is a fantastic cover.

[@user-lq9mw1sb8d]

A lot of rock and metal songs are written on keyboard. I've seen an interview specifically where Jordan Rudess has given John Petrucci riffs, deriving from the piano.

[@michaelmiradezandband]

The album you were thinking of is Romantic Warrior by Return to Forever.

[@alexschneider8494]

I can’t start writing from a piano because I don’t know how to play piano lol I never had any musical training or lessons. I taught myself how to play guitar and that’s kind of how I have to write.

[@fuziontonygaming]

Mike is pretty hard on a lot of the mainstream music lol, sometimes I agree and disagree but he’s entertaining and hilarious while doing so.

[@unownvoyage]

You’re the man Mr Music Snob!

[@lewisb85]

Actually good example of metal songs being written around vocal melody, certain black sabbath songs, like Iommi said on the 7 ages of rock documentary series, "if we did the guitars first the vocal melody wouldn't work".

[@mikechalabi9763]

I’m so glad I found this video after the new Sleep Token dropped, because I feel like their inspiration and willingness to change genres makes them really progressive and answers a lot of the complaints the guys have. TMBTE may not be your cup of tea, but I totally appreciate Sleep Token’s willingness to try new stuff in metal

[@PotatoeJoe69]

If it's not Death Metal, it's not METAL ENOUGH 🤘

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

I watched Mike on his Knight channel one time, doing an album ranking of best and worst metal bands or some such, and there was A LOT of things I disagreed with him on to the point I didn't want to take him seriously; I do however respect that he can back up (more or less) his points and why he makes them. Good vid, the exchange of ideas and opinions is very engaging.

[@svc335]

Lmao, Pink Floyd is amazing.

[@Kabullo76]

i agree i should have stopped watching them when the dude claimed hendrix was 30% noise and the other one who never listened to pink floyd cause he started from sepultura lol. unfortunately I continued watching and I have rarely found myself so disagreeing with someone who talks about music and metal in general

[@andressuarezp]

Great video Finn !

[@SilkandScrooge]

I feel like I feel the writing a vocal melody first. When the instruments are already locked in and the vocalist has to just make something work over whatever he has been given.

[@tonysarrio8940]

Mike is awesome. Straight up guy!

[@eliminator173]

The Black Album was my first introduction to thrash metal.

[@eliminator173]

@Mezzy Mez 😂

[@bdr113080]

Kind of how Finn is with all types of rock music that’s kind of the way I am with hip-hop. With rock and metal I was able to go back and appreciate bands in albums before the early 90s, I love all the great thrash stuff from the 80s, I love Black Sabbath I love Ozzy Osbourne solo stuff. But with hip-hop, I have all the respect in the world for Eric B and Rakim, KRS-1, Slick Rick etc. and when I listen to them, I can definitely tell that these were like some of the most lyrical rappers of their time and I can tell that they pushed the envelope for lyricism and that maybe they weren’t the guys on the radio with the biggest hits all the time, but lyrically no one could touch them, but for me, other than NWA if it came out before 1990 I can’t get into earlier hip-hop. I got in to hip-hop with ice cube solo career really and anything before that I can respect it but it’s not something I can sit down and listen to and vibe to and enjoy, but I would never disrespected. I do think people all around need to be better with that. No matter if it’s old music or new music. It’s OK if you don’t like whatever, this is just entertainment no one is forcing us to listen to anything, but we also don’t need to run people down and harass artist in fans online like were Star Wars fans just because we choose not to like something someone else enjoys.

[@RB-oc7ti]

Very interesting conversation. Metal does too often tend to box itself in by repeating the guttural vocals and brutal percussive instrumentation repeatedly, which has been done before by endless others. I like it better personally when those types of things are done as an accent at times within a song (ie breakdown / bridge section etc) but not for a whole song, or worse; a whole album. Melody is important, even in heavy music.

[@timgonzales2891]

Important to you. Countless people listen to albums made up of brutality, every day.

[@theirishpotato6588]

Agreed

[@theirishpotato6588]

@@timgonzales2891 ?

[@zero_zero107]

What a dumb point... There is shit ton of melodeath since 90s and id argue its most boring genre in metal. I listen to a lot of melodic music but when its done masterfully like in opeth it is good.

[@spitefulcrow5026]

I don't listen to slam for the melody and dynamics. Just listen to a different genre instead of trying to compare apples to oranges

[@eyvweblog]

Even though the new music that gets labeled as "progressive rock/metal" has seemingly grown pretty stale, I feel like actual progressive and innovative music still exists, just under different labels. Maybe under "art rock", "psychedelic rock", "jazz fusion", "post-rock", "experimental rock"...

[@dpacula63]

I’m super guilty starting songs with guitar. I’m trying to get away from that because in music college one of my composition teachers said “try to write away from the piano” and I translate that to guitar because that’s my instrument. So guitar kind of becomes a crutch.

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

I almost didn't click on this video because of the title (people arguing makes me uncomfortable) but I see now it's a joke about yourself haha. Great watch!

[@Brutaldeathkingpin]

I like how finn put their names under so I could tell who's whos

[@scudinferno]

Big chick corea/ Wayne shorter fan too! Return to forever is incredible. I’ll posit a theory- Finn likes the jazz stuff because metal nerds haven’t ruined it, they don’t know about it. Also the album you’re thinking of with the knight is the romantic warrior.

[@xxyoloproxx7230]

I would love to see an interview with the reformed Attack Attack!

[@prettylitch1785]

13:33 Finn looks literally so happy when his intelligence is complemented, geeky joy

[@bruceismyhero]

I'm the same way about Pink Floyd/old rock and metal. Because I started with heavier bands, I wasn't able to "work backwards". It's taken me a long time to appreciate some classic rock, but I still have a lot of controversial opinions about music from the 60/70/80s

[@briangraham7811]

Great content!

[@waifubreaks1572]

Was not expecting a Valkyrie Profile reference.

[@Octavian2]

What does demand have to do with 'progressive', exactly? Yes, creating vocal harmonies is important, but let's ask ourselves, why is it so prevalent in pop? A catchy vocal line is easier to sell. This has nothing to do with progressive music in and of itself unless you're only looking to appeal to a wider audience. The fact is, a wider audience isn't always going to accept something progressive as they're looking for something quick and consumable. Jimi came at the right time and place as well as others before him. He is an exception.

[@coryjohnson2486]

My favorite kind of “metal” is the kind that has a mixture of brutal, heavy vocals and a catchy/well sung hook and chorus. I’m sure “tRuE mEtAlHeAds” would say that it sucks, but is such a GREAT combination. Bury Tomorrow’s song “Death (ever colder)” which was released earlier this year is a GREAT example of what I love! Veil of Maya’s “Viscera” is a good example as well.

[@yoiamhere4737]

Hell yea dude! Check out Snowblood by ERRA. Brutal heavy riffs and awesome melodies and solos

[@coryjohnson2486]

@@yoiamhere4737 I LOVE Erra dude!! I will check that out. “Hypnotist” is one of my favorites!

[@coryjohnson2486]

@@yoiamhere4737 also, Periphery is pretty cool (haven’t done a deep dive on them yet tho).

[@yoiamhere4737]

@@coryjohnson2486 I've gotta check periphery out, haven't gotten the chance too yet surprisingly!

[@MikeVoss]

Catchy hooks and choruses are great if they aren't too long and don't repeat too many times

[@weebgrinder]

Although I understand what you're saying about finding the 3rd or the 5th on piano vs. Guitar, it's actually easier on guitar in some ways. At least if we're staying say any standard. The third for example at least dealing with the say the bottom for strings is always going to be one-string up and one fret behind wherever you start assuming not on an open string etc. Now piano in the keys of C or A minor, sure.

[@oliviertruchon5648]

Like early prog. Still my favorite genre. I think that if you don't like classic prog it's probably because of the classical influences in it which is more technical than jazz and less sexy elements in it, for example Yes, ELP, Genesis, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Camel, Caravan, etc. It's part of the english classical tradition. But if you want a real hard rockin' early prog try Van Der Graff Generator and their album Pawn Hearts.

[@user-fh6sl3km8q]

Oh and music being truly progressive, I completely agree with Finn Mckenty about Chick Corea and Jazz Rock Fusion stuff being "progressive" in literal sense. For me its Pat Metheny. Some KZbinr mentioned Mahavishnu Orchestra and Return To Forever being considered in extent of "progressive rock" and I really think he has good point.