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CORRECTION: The band manager Tom reached out to me to correct the record. Here's the conversation I had with him kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3fOaXtmhaufjaM

[@RJWaynerium]

And it's gone

[@Daily_Bassist]

Their bassist looks like 3 out of 4 of the earliest Black Sabbath members

[@Alex-qq2fp]

Exactly my toughts. I was like "Wow this dude looks like Tony Iommi back in the early 70's"

[@threelittlebirds2288]

He looks like Geezer Bulter.

[@lucasduque8289]

The bass player looks like if Ozzy, Geezer and Tony did a Dragon Ball type fusion thing. The Drummer looks like a mix between Bill and Geezer, the comment about him needing a bath was the cherry on top for him being Bill.

[@robwalsh9843]

He needs to wear bellbottoms and start playing right at the neck and he'd be the spitting image of Geezer.

[@Malum09]

Yes! he looked like Butler, Iommi and Ward rolled into one

[@Grrizo]

When a musician says they have "it" I expect nothing more than a multidimensional killer disguised as a clown.

[@joandrumz3176]

Ay, a fellow Soundgarden fan

[@metropolis9323]

we made the same exact face when she said he "looks like a virgin" .... imagine if it was an old dude saying that to a young girl

[@metropolis9323]

also what kind of “compliment” is that? if someone told me i look like a virgin i’ll assume they mean i’m not attractive enough to get laid… which is true but that’s not the point

[@Yenneffer]

Yeah that was weird as fuck. And then saying the one ethnic guy needs a bath? Also fishy at best. Big oof!

[@andrewgarcia3136]

they let karen on TV

[@nevermindgaming6848]

@@Yenneffer it's true

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@Yenneffer I think that part was just that he had more unkempt hair

[@benjaminbrownbass]

Bands are more than a money sink, they're a black hole where savings accounts go to die. I've had meetings with the largest business managers in music, and they have no idea of what keeps songs and artists on the charts. No one does, which is horrifying for business lol.

[@fuziontonygaming]

Same with Hip-Hop as I am part of it too, it’s all on Luck. 🍀

[@charlesmartiniii1405]

Money and advertising for hits tbh. But the random tic tickets bullshit who tf knows

[@davyboy9397]

Reminds me of local restaurant business

[@aneyeforcapitalism6531]

On top of that, investing in people and their personality flaws is possibly the single riskiest investment an investor can make. While there needs to be a bit of a "hands off" approach, I can understand why labels drive such a hard bargain as well.

[@robwalsh9843]

The sad thing is that a lot of people look at band financial survival struggles today and say "Man, I wish it was like back in the day" while forgetting that it was just as hard if not harder to survive back then for a lot of artists. A common theme for a lot of signed bands is that their label would completely change management and staff overnight, leading to awkward "....and you are...?" encounters with the people who are supposed to promote you but are utterly fixated on the next hot item. Labels could drop you like girlfriends.

[@conormurphy4328]

If there’s one thing I’d like to invest in during a global pandemic it’s a product whose main source of revenue is live performances for large crowds.

[@a_0140]

That's a great point

[@JIYkp]

Which makes it perfect for negotiating the price down. 😏

[@Chadner]

You do know that this episode aired in 2012 right

[@Malum09]

The Episode was from Years Ago.

[@theStepFamm]

its over. wake up

[@maxdurk4624]

If we're being honest, these guys definitely went on the show for publicity more than to get an investment. People have done that on the show before, and this manager totally gives me that kind of vibe.

[@jaggy-snake]

Exactly👌

[@benjaminbrownbass]

"Billy Irelish" lolol

[@DeadpoolPlayz]

Ireland

[@Laros82]

Haha I cought that as well😂

[@angelaramirez4144]

When I first heard her name, I immediately thought, "Irish," and she must be from Ireland. I knew her name was pronounced Eilish too. So weird how we associate things.

[@keefjunior4061]

Last time I toured was in 93'. I was a roadie for a local punk band called 7 Seconds, and we'd pull about 90 shows in about 110 days. Very hectic schedule. Pay was good, and was around $220 per week, plus $20-$30 per diem for show days. All expenses including food and lodging were paid. I remember getting bonus after the tours if we sold more merch than the merch company gave the band an advance for. It was good times for a kid in his late teens/early 20's.

[@wickedlee664]

Dope! One of my favorite bands. Played with them a couple of times. Cheers :)

[@aneyeforcapitalism6531]

I love 7 seconds.

[@keefjunior4061]

@@wickedlee664 nice! What years?

[@keefjunior4061]

@@aneyeforcapitalism6531 right on! It's cool to see they still have a loyal fan base. I grew up with these guys in Reno, and between Sac and here, there's a huge fan group.

[@Zoe-zoe1717]

7 seconds is great

[@DahliaOlive]

“He looks like a Virgin...”. tf, dude? Jesus. Put the cougar claws away, lady. Now is not the time. 😂

[@Yenneffer]

For real, though. WTF!

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

😂😂😂

[@cherrypopscile3385]

Talent Is at most 50% of what gets you in, and honestly it's more like 25%. Being talented isn't rare enough to be sure win. The rest is business sense, contacts, money, and luck. It takes a lot of all of these things to get anywhere.

[@Lancelot30]

Mike the Music Snob has evolved to Mike the Music Shark.

[@The_God_of_Sexual_Intercourse]

“This next band asked me not to read this, but goddammit I'm going to read it anyway! Because I wrote it, and it's the truth. I fucking love this band! They're the best band ever, period! Ladies and gentlemen, Cab 20!!!!!!”

[@Squirrelconga]

The one guys has a birthmark that says "Cab"...the others says "20" 💫✨🌠

[@Doctor-Stoppage]

Its Tenacious D time! 😸

[@Squirrelconga]

@@Doctor-Stoppage "...your training begins tomorrow, at the crack of noon!'

[@BonyHawksToeSkater]

Hell yes. This comment wins.

[@BonyHawksToeSkater]

“We wrote this song 5 minutes ago.”

[@Yenneffer]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they only did this for exposure and didn't actually think they'd get an investment... but damn that hype guy did them no favors... using words like 'prodigy' before they play one of the most generic songs I've ever heard lol.

[@benjaminbrownbass]

Can confirm, TV editing is brutal and is done to make everyone look crazy because wild shit sells

[@nathanksimpson]

As a Christian I really enjoyed your CCM videos. Thanks for making them. Great job producing that too.

[@bigtombowski]

Barach Atah A'donai

[@Yenneffer]

There were no blast beats and for that reason I'm out.

[@PhilTheModMan]

you gotta do blast beats to impress investors.

[@HeathenwoodOfficial]

😂😂

[@Brianpedrozaofficial]

No one: Mike: "1000 percent"

[@benjaminbrownbass]

I have felt the sting of Mark Cuban's "they're good, they're good" before, several times lol

[@angrycat3525]

"They have that 'IT'," all right. And they've also got a lot of "SH".

[@angrycat3525]

Now for the serious comment. Publishing is THE WHOLE ENCHILADA. If you own the publishing, you're gonna get paid for every song on every album that is MANUFACTURED, not sold. Let's say I was a band's manager, and I managed to get them a deal with a major label. By owning the publishing, assuming the album has 10 songs on it, at 9.1 centes per song, I earn 91 cents for every record, CD and cassette the factory churns out. If the label presses 1 million copies, that comes to $910,000 paid to that manager and newly-created band publisher, even if that band with that "IT" only manages to sell 10 copies. Had I known where the money was when I was younger, I wouldn't be sitting here at a desk typing any of my bullshit. Just sayin' . . .

[@benjaminbrownbass]

Honestly, him getting these guys on the show could potentially be a big brain move. It's publicity, and publicity is always good. That could have been his intention from the beginning.

[@ericjohnson829]

Most of the people and products that go on Shark Tank and other shows are simply for a piece of national exposure.

[@andrewgarcia3136]

@@ericjohnson829 exactly, it's a PR opportunity

[@sandromnator]

If that was the only intention, it seems it didn't work. If you look up the band, it doesn't exist anymore. They got like 1 song on a mediocre show, and never played again.

[@benjaminbrownbass]

@@sandromnator Oof lol

[@ericjohnson829]

@@sandromnator We're aware

[@rebeccassweetmusic4632]

This is honestly the most random BecomeTheKnight video 😂

[@adamkoopmans3635]

Still here for it.

[@francoiacomucci8442]

Yngwie Malmsteen and Kevin O’Leary are basically the same person albeit Kevin can’t do a diminished sweep arpeggio.

[@yeeshanmalik8353]

As a person who has watched all of shark tank , I can confirm this .

[@gogpoydi]

Kevin O’Leary is a blues dad

[@kaladin783]

@@gogpoydi *bloos dad

[@gogpoydi]

@@kaladin783 don’t tell the hot wife ok?

[@GamingSaurusRexYTube]

@@gogpoydi toan father

[@austindolan3142]

These longer videos are great, really enjoying the recent content

[@dantee1138]

Bert: *exists* Mike: hmmmm Dylan!

[@acrossthefire1587]

Sssshhhhhhhheeeeeeiiiiiiiittttt-ta Three-chord prodigy I thought that was Green Day 🤘😛🤘

[@BecomeTheKnight]

I'd buy that argument more than Cab20 lol. No shade.

[@rivxrd7697]

Mike uploading while I have free time is an amazing feeling,

[@Yenneffer]

This is what I found about Cab20 online: "After Shark Tank, the Cab 20 song “Stomp” was used for an episode of Nickelodeon’s Degrassi - but the band has not produced any new music since." Oh boyo, I'm sure the sharks are regretting not taking the deal lmao.

[@DahliaOlive]

Ooof. I still like Degrassi: Next Generation. Because nostalgia. But the Nickelodeon one? 😬 I’m sure that’s even worse. 😂

[@superstarthomas]

And like I said with that kind of teeny bop music that's not even surprising it appeared on Nickelodeon.

[@ShihanTomCallahan]

Bert actually has a pub deal and has had many placements under his OWN name.

[@johnnytass2111]

The Sharks offer went to $300,000 for 40% and the counter offer was to ask for $50,000 less but give 10% more to the Sharks? Either they were completely clueless or they didn’t really want to strike a deal, thinking the exposure on the show would be enough, which is another way of being clueless.

[@Blacksunstoneful]

"Toss out 250" Lmao the guitarist is negotiating like he's trying to buy a Peavey off Reverb.

[@smithfan22]

Frickin Dylan man. Setting these poor kids up for failure.

[@marshawnlynch6244]

Thank you for the video. I learned a lot.

[@mustacheman4476]

I love that they compared themselves to the white stripes because the first thing I thought when I heard their song was “this sounds like a white stripes rip off”

[@andrewgarcia3136]

the white stripes were actually good tho

[@robwalsh9843]

These guys aren't bad, but if I want retro 70's rock done right I'll stick with Graveyard or Kadavar(or just listen to 70's bands)

[@shoominati23]

Wolfmother or Jet, I was thinking , but anyway...

[@dalekay9ine]

Sounds like a rip off of the strokes bad.

[@benjaminbrownbass]

Also, holy shit, the new camera looks so good

[@conormurphy4328]

A high quality camera pointed at a couch… I’m familiar with the concept.

[@benjaminbrownbass]

@@conormurphy4328 A man of culture

[@The_God_of_Sexual_Intercourse]

Too good

[@JohnBiddleMusic]

Except he kept going in and out of focus during the video. I think he needs to work on his camera settings

[@chaoticneutral1090]

this is a great video really appreciate your insight! i feel like your camera focus is sometimes having a little too much fun btw. Still, great stuff!

[@sebastiankock2405]

The sleazy manager stereotype never fails

[@jacksguitarjams]

Never thought about how much the music industry is a business, great video

[@benjaminbrownbass]

They way their manager said touring sounded like he said "porn", and I was very confused lolol

[@conormurphy4328]

We hear what we want to

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

It reminds me of "Tonight I'm Gonna Rock Ya Tonight" by Spinal Tap.

[@MidnightAvalon]

After reading about Dream Theater's absolute nightmares of the music industry wouldn't these investments be much better than a label signing you for 7 albums and completely taking control of an album and ruining it (Falling Into Infinity)?

[@cherrypopscile3385]

What's killing this band especially is its singer.

[@mike04574]

He’s got a better voice than geddy lee. Jk

[@giovanni21mas]

A rock band going on a show like shark tank just doesn´t seem right to me

[@omgvague]

Even Simon Cowell called out a guy covering Nirvana for bringing that "fuck it all" style to big media lol

[@giovanni21mas]

@@omgvague I remember watching that years ago. Kurt Cobain would´ve hated that guy.

[@heythere6983]

Idk. I like the idea of someone not being able to alter your music or shelve you. It’d be better if labels were more like banks offering loans but they take soo much of the profit and control so much more than how much you take in. It’s like letting someone max out your credit card and make bad choices and then you have to pay their debt. They will promote you badly, limit your, tell you how to sound, control when you get paid and you have so little control. The deal they offered is pretty solid. I’d let them own 50 percent, for maybe an album. Not forever. But to get started? Sure, I’d do that

[@roywall8169]

Love this video, and your insights. It seems to me that having a system like Patreon, where people can become patrons of art, is the best way forward for artists who want to make a living with their music.

[@onlyhuman3281]

I greatly enjoyed this vid thank you!!! was awesome to watch the drudgery and ego that was driving the show was doing its job. As a drummer and song writer one thing has always stood strong in my mind is do it because you Love it and it fills your inner HOLE. $$$ and Music is dying and its a damn shame.

[@hoos_ur_daddy]

The bass line sounded cool though

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

It definitely made them sound more professional. The overall structure of the song and the overwrought vocals were what made it sound mediocre. If they had a pop songwriter to give them catchier hooks, they could have something. That doesn’t mean they should get $200k, though.

[@lucasduque8289]

"They have a guy who needs to take a bath" And he is the drummer? They've got Bill Ward from Black Sabbath on the drums.

[@mitkoatanassov6350]

Love the vid Mike 💪🏻

[@benjaminbrownbass]

Oh boy, here we go

[@smithfan22]

Im ready for this

[@a_0140]

I said that same thing

[@palix5925]

"I think we've had more than enough of that" You're very merciful.

[@Zukadic]

Don’t worry, he totally looked like a Dylan and playing in that band is a very Dylan thing to do.

[@crescendo5594]

Dylan would do that, wouldn’t he? Typical Dylan.

[@omega1231]

Dylan was a Freudian slip, the most correct Freudian slip of them all

[@conormurphy4328]

I regularly patronise the arts

[@lucasduque8289]

The only "it" a band needs to show to investors is marketability, momentum, a fan following with signs of possible growth, synergy with their scene, etc. It doesn't matter if you have talent, if you are an 18 year old prodigy, if your bass player looks like John Lennon or if your drummer needs to take a bath. Hell, you don't even need to look like you might make a hit record even once. You need to look like you will bring in some profit, and having "it" doesn't mean you will. This bloke just came in, said they have "it", had them play one song and asked for a pile of cash. He didn't show whether they are ready to record and album or if they already have one, if they have enough songs to play gigs, if they have enough people interested in them to fill venues, no merch designs, didn't show if they have presence on their scene or on social media. These are the things that show if you have momentum as a band, any fool can write one song.

[@OfJaggedRisings]

Music for most including me is a fun but expensive hobby.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

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Hey Become the Knight can you react some Craziest Boomers vs Heavy Metal and Psycho Preachers who hate Rock Music but they're lying.

[@longtrang5706]

Wow the intro is killer! With the logo.

[@Mike_Spor]

excellent review.

[@dlwhite6537]

Nail the mix? Try mixing your own audio. This is 2 sources. You and the show clips. And you blew it.

[@BVonBuescher]

We get job placement upon finishing the class right? So I’m kind of picky. Can I just send you a list of bands I’m willing to work with? No prog rock, country or butt rock.

[@K-reative-Kay]

New to your channel :) loving your stuff

[@akashicvizion]

Higuy! Stumbled across this vid in the "Recommended For You" section of my PooTube feed.... Found it very interesting, and agree with your final summary; they had an 'angel investor' which could've given them the headstart necessary to maybe even push the 'mainstream' towards a "70's revivalist" kind of movement.... Alas, we will never know-- My main question is: Is that a Sennheiser MD421 you're using?? I spent about a decade in FM broadcast booths and in all but one, **that** was the mic of choice!! Will be diving into your back catalog in the near future; keep on keepin' on, and as always, Blessed Be, & Peace!!

[@knumbskullnews3460]

What a creative video idea. This is why I am a sub.

[@drummersetsfire]

Just wanted to say i really dig your content. You're obviously well-informed and I found myself constantly agreeing with ur opinions and conjecture.

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

Love your point of view.

[@c-notedaproducer1082]

I learned more about the financials of the music business in the first 10 minutes of this video than I have watching jokes of other videos on YT. Thank you for being a straight shooter, AKA a snob lol.

[@Arrow8D]

somthing one of the sharks said and it was a great point was when one said there a good band another shark jumped in and said there is a lot of good bands out there, and i see it all the time myself a lot of bands i think dam there really good there stuck at the playing in bars level becasue unfortunatly they jumped into music, to late were its already far to busy to start fresh unless you get real lucky, its like youtube now if you start a youtube channel today unless you get shouted out and get very lucky your not going to get big becasue there is millions of people doing the same thing as you and most of them are probebly doing it better.

[@LangfordShowcase]

In the UK we have the exact same show but it’s called Dragons Den. A band called Hamfatter did get investment but they were terrible and I’m pretty sure the investor lost money. He pretty much bought his personal band. I can imagine they’re all butlers and waiters now living with the investor.

[@smithfan22]

Wow welcome to 1080p Mike!

[@kuromyou7969]

17:01 if you want merch, the band Ghost has MERCH!

[@btsdancestudio5691]

I learn here more than I learned at Cal-Poly U. Music School. Thank You My twin brother RIP Randy Lee was screaming at the TV telling the idiot to take the deal!

[@btsdancestudio5691]

Randy Lee RIP 5-26-

[@btsdancestudio5691]

Can check out my band Rolling Quartz & Tell Me What You Think?

[@rebeccassweetmusic4632]

This kind of reminds me of when my favorite Netflix show, Grace & Frankie, did an episode on Shark Tank where they talked about their product called the "Rise Up." 😂

[@gregmoray4386]

So on your shark tank investors video I see the holy grail of beer shirts. Falls City. I’m not sure where ur from but we have a falls city beer sign that the whole world wants who knows about the beer and it needs a new home Awesome Shirt

[@kyledamron]

If we ever hear this band again I'll be shocked

[@Slagdar]

3:49 NOOOO! The Hells Kitchen sound effects! hide your castanets and salt 'n pepper shakers before Gordon Ramsey Walks in!

[@Yenneffer]

There's gonna be some plates breaking very soon for sure.

[@M_Sandstrom]

When I first heard them play I was like "this sounds like background music from a michelob ultra commercial." I wonder if one of the sharks could have wielded their influence to get that to happen. Or like, subaru or one of those other brands that targets upper middle class white guys, with shots of people hiking with their dogs and having campfires to generic indie fuzz rock backing tracks

[@brandonhey7797]

So, Shark Tank is basically American Dragon's Den?

[@clf400]

I’ve only heard the part where they performed and I liked it quite a bit but this is the worst way to go about getting successful. They could easily tour the local scene get better a what they do and make it somewhat. To go to shark tank for investment makes the band look like they don’t know what they’re doing and it’s a shame.

[@allyourbasearebelongtous2191]

Gotta get that CCM vid more views. Fuckin top job their dude.

[@megadeth-1a885]

id want to know the bands online presence. What's their social look like? Or did they come straight from the basement to shark tank? investing in a band after hearing ONE song is insane

[@dw6213]

If they had the "IT" thing , they wouldn't need to be on Shark Tank.

[@V1VISECT6]

Hey a fellow lefty, earned my sub.

[@EvilMike349]

I swear to God, Mike, I can't believe you didn't include Frank Zappa in the list of rockers that dude looks like 😂😂😂 Super interesting analysis, I had never heard of a band on Shark Tank, that's some wild shit

[@mireilleblacke6567]

Your comments on making sellable merch are 100% accurate. Regrettably for the music industry. :)

[@Robocline]

18 year old Prodigy is Smack My Bitch Up in 2015.

[@rachelt101]

High expectations indeed. I was expecting some Tuomas Holopainen level stuff. Apparently not 😂

[@BVonBuescher]

There’s no such thing as an overnight success. Many of us started playing instruments at 10-11 years old. Played in countless bands, wrote hundreds of songs. Like you say. Your commitment must go beyond surface level. You’re simply requires too much dedication and passion to even make a scratch in the surface of this insane business. In the end though. The thousands of hours and shitty basements, Pham practice for five times a week, getting drunk and punching your drummer in the face, you getting punched back in the face eventually. You begin to wonder why we do it to ourselves, then you get those 45 minutes on stage. If you haven’t experienced it it’s impossible to describe,, sort of like a prostate orgasm. You only know it when it’s right on top of you.. lol Music is my mistress and my foe. I wouldn’t want it any other way

[@shawnawesome7770]

Looking at your video and my living room i am going to go on shark tank and pitch a couch as a guitar stand. 👍🏿

[@codybyas2675]

This literally reminds me of that American Dad episode where Snot’s uncle tries to manage his and Steve’s band. Am I alone?? Bet I’m not

[@davidfields8518]

Lmao + 😆for the performance 😁

[@skybluemarshall]

"Cab 2O" sounds like they used a 90s Modern Rock, band name generator app.

[@benjaminbrownbass]

YEEESSSS KEEP THE MERCH GAME STRONG

[@strasbourgsteve]

Mike would you ever try to go Shark tank with your band?

[@DelusionalOni]

Very simplistic but not the worst thing in the world.

[@fbj1223]

19:34 He looks like Tony Iommi, when he was younger.

[@jojr123]

Great vid Mike! One thing that bothered me, are you sure it's "Jacob Colli-ay" and not "Jacob Colli-er"? He's english, not french.

[@JohnBiddleMusic]

Yeah, it’s colli-er

[@darthbee18]

Re: investing in a band - even the idea of it is stressing me out 💀💀🔥🔥

[@andrewgarcia3136]

i love classic rock but seeing 18 year olds playing generic dad rock is just sad. take inspiration from what you like but for the love of god do something new

[@crescendo5594]

This is considered dad rock? A carbon copy of a “The” band? Dad rock is, like, The Metallicas, or at least The AC/DCs. Give dads a little more credit than that.

[@evilemuempire9550]

@@crescendo5594 That’s true, I guess radio rock might fit better

[@johnwallace2319]

that guy is probably the new boyfriend of one of the moms, and did this for brownie points

[@SwordsmanRyan]

I’ll bet she made it worth his while.

[@cloudshad0ws]

I'd be shocked if nobody (shitty music press) ever said Lady Gaga had "it." There's no doubt in my mind that happened at least once, and likely several times.

[@chihuahuaman7025]

They’re asking a bunch of rich people who used to wear REO speed wagon T-shirt’s in high school to invest in their rock band in 2021. Good luck with that.

[@forrestgreene1139]

And a shuffle too.

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

Curious: Is that guitar on the far right a Schecter Silver Mountain? Been considering getting one of those myself. If it is, any thoughts on it?

[@Mevazare]

He did a review on it when he got it, just look back on his channel, its pretty cool

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

@@Mevazare Thanks, I'll check.

[@mykuntstynx9463]

Billy Irelish writes songs for Stevie T now.... And he KILLED it

[@karlmikhailtibule1481]

I hope it's gonna be the next video of Metal Guitarists reacting Psycho Preachers who Hates Rock music and Craziest BOOMERS vs Heavy Metal in Loudwire.

[@Hurricane9146]

“So cliche” * pulls out a juul.