MI v. Jennifer & James Crumbley Pretrial Hearing - Det. Edward Wagrowski - Computer Crimes Unit

[@trace_you6337]

Jennifer was more concerned about going to the barn everyday after work to go hang out with her horses rather than pay attention to her child who she gave birth to. Jennifer was obviously living in some sort of alternate reality where she thought she was carefree and fancy free and didn't have responsibilities at home. So far the testimony that I've heard shows that she is beyond neglectful and created a murderous child. Ethan knew if he pointed a gun at point blank range at his classmates they would end up dead on the other side. In my opinion he knew the difference between right and wrong and he was wanting to do all kinds of wrong on November 30th. Hopefully he'll go to the big boys jail and really know what it's like to be around people who are more scarier than him. For the rest of his life he can think about what he did on that fateful day!

[@Pollyanna_Nielsen]

❤I hear you. I have a serious problem with people who put their pets as a priority over the human beings in their life, ESPECIALLY when they do this to their own kids.

[@melodieshimon]

They also both have paid attorney and their son legal aid court appointed ugh

[@tinab3627]

Yup. Playing with big boy toys should end you in big boy jail

[@emjaypineau6271]

It’s bad parenting. Prob being a terrible people. But there’s no way this is a crime

[@trace_you6337]

@@tinab3627 It's not about " big boy toys " It's about being a gun owner ( whether you are 15 or 45 years old ) who is responsible for their weaponry! Clearly these 3 individuals did not RESPECT what it means to have a gun in their possession and now innocent people are DEAD and many others are traumatized because of these USELESS people! Hopefully the court system will not revictimize the DEAD and survivers!!

[@LBDesignsIIV]

This judge is NO nonsense and I love that. The prosecutor said those messages aren’t missing, she just didn’t find them 😂😂😂😂. Whew. Ate her right on up.

[@jvmlucky13]

I totally agree!

[@s.ferren9288]

The defense attorney pounding on the stack of papers would drive me nuts! As if everyone isn’t already on edge...

[@fishingpinky3165]

So many trials going on...I cant keep up...just sick people in our world. Stay safe normal people.

[@colleenlally-ross7105]

What's a trial junkie to do? 😉 it's truly sad how mom's horses could've helped calm her sons twisted mind 😢 but mom couldn't be bothered...smfh

[@sarac1118]

Not sure why I feel this way…..I don’t know if it’s necessary to have these people in shackles like they are. They are guilty of neglect and all around bad parenting. Not necessarily deserving of shackles. JMO

[@itsjustlaurel1531]

For some reason the Sheriff said that they had to remain on. Maybe a stipulation because they are considered a flight risk? I think in actual court they can be unshackled and in regular clothes. It's pretrial.

[@f0ry0u81]

It's because of the flight risk status. ✌️

[@deborahconkle6822]

Sometimes there are things happening behind the scene we know nothing about…. I had a relative on trial many years ago and his codefendant was a hot mess in the back halls. Lots of officers were in that court room. When he appeared in the courtroom he was as calm as could be. “Back stage”they had to taze him because he was not being a good boy.

[@Txbunny]

It’s policy for defendants in custody to wear jail garb for preliminary hearings. They don’t wear civilian attire unless at trial and sentencing.

[@publicknowledge4262]

They were shackled because they kept trying to communicate with each other via sign language. The judge has warned them several times.

[@popcornjoe3752]

If they start arresting people for this stuff there's a lot of people in trouble

[@taylorbug9]

You don't think there should be consequences for having a kid then spending all your time and money on something else to the point that your kid literally shoots up a school?

[@tracygieseke4881]

They ignored ALL warning signs if you lost your child that day I would be willing to bet just about anything you would think they were MORE than irresponsible. This kid had a gun and had clear mental issues the school did their part the parents Failed in every way! They deserve what ever happens.

[@tracygieseke4881]

He drew pictures of what he was gonna do...how much more do you need.? They left him at school after they were shown the picture.

[@Kattakam]

Imagine what our ghettos, just to name a few would look like after the first year of holding parents accountable. Maybe this is a great start with making a change for the better. However, we let the school system take our kids and inject them with “life” and don’t expect some bad apples to fall?? Besides the parents the schools must protect our children-period

[@tinab3627]

& a lot of people safer. I totally agree with this parental responsibility thing. Especially when the weapons are so easily accessible in the family home

[@Bsquaredplus2]

I hope they keep them in prison jumpers and chains the whole trial.

[@the_rakan]

There's no other way. Don't worry. They will have 2 get used to it. 4 counts of IMS is a lot of time.

[@twylah9047]

.. Different crimes have different requirements of how you are confined. No special treatment. So, Yes , It's necessary. Unless at some time they bail out. Then they are allowed to come in and out freely. Till then while incrassated, they will be shackled ... Poor babies. Some people shouldn't have children. This boy was begging for help. He clearly needed it. OJ Simpson was shacked while incarcerated... REM?

[@itsjustlaurel1531]

Biggest understatement of today... I just handed you a large stack of paper. And he knew exactly where the lawyer was missing text messages.

[@lilys7431]

They told him to go to a specific date. Thank goodness you aren’t a juror.

[@staceybell1429]

I agree with agree with you I think the prosecutor has made some big lies about the mom and dad and they were trying to help their son but,we are parents and try to do our best to see the signs….Sorry that we don’t have an instruction manual when a kid pops out…Maybe they should go back and charge all parents for their kids shooting up the schools….So glad to see this on KZbin because the prosecution has made a no Gary and are full of lies about the parents!!!Now the truth comes out the the gun was locked up and they were trying to do things to get Ethan help…. If the school was doing their job this could have been stopped….School councilors have become worthless….

[@loganmckenna3228]

@@staceybell1429 Schools didn’t birth these kids. After the first indication of voices, she should’ve gotten her son help. The dad should’ve. Someone who actually procreated to produce that child should’ve done something- in no way, shape, or form, is it anyone else’s responsibility and/or fault.

[@alvaroakatico9188]

@@staceybell1429 So the gun was locked up? Source please.

[@brendad940]

I can't believe the amount of people coming to the defense of these 2 sad excuses for parents! It would be one thing if these 2 had been TRYING to get their son some help but that isn't the case here. These parents couldn't be bothered. And I'm not sure but I think they may have them handcuffed in court because they are deemed escape risks due to their actions following the totally preventable tragedy. Too many parents view school as their children's either other parent and expect the schools to teach them everything or as their daily babysitter imo. Start becoming accountable for the morals and character you display and teach your children people. Makes me wonder how well these people who are coming to their defense for one reason or another know and keep track of their own children. Yes I know terrible people come from great parents- but a huge amount come from s****y parents like these who can't be bothered. And WHY do they BOTH have attorneys they chose but their CHILD is left hanging with a court appointed one? These people clearly haven't made their child a priority in their lives and it makes me sick.

[@elpatron7916]

We call it rule of law. They are sad excuses for parents.

[@bthny7955]

I wonder how long it will take before Jennifer and James start throwing the other one under the busunder the bus

[@tinab3627]

The walk of shame. They have them chained up pretty good!! Good!

[@elpatron7916]

Let's shame the unconvicted

[@badashh420]

I love how glammed up the one defense attorney always is. She's smart about it she knows it's a huge media frenzy

[@Nickabod79]

She's really poorly spoken and unprepared, though. It's pretty pathetic.

[@badashh420]

@@Nickabod79 i agree, they have a tough job defending these two though..

[@Megan-mr8ue]

She was the attorney for Larry Nasser. She knows about high profile cases.

[@Nickabod79]

@@Megan-mr8ue I know. And she massively lost that case. 😂

[@LBDesignsIIV]

And will be even more glammed when she loses.

[@elpatron7916]

This was a horrible crime. But this is a horrible prosecution. Prosecutors should be held liable for damages.

[@alvaroakatico9188]

Ok Karen.

[@Itsjustme115]

Better build up the jails for all parents of gang members all the parents of any child who will commit a violent crime if these 2 are prosecuted on this evidence! They did not commit this crime! The school is more guilty then these parents!

[@melliemelmel6636]

The school may be just as guilty but more guilty? That's a stretch. They bought him a gun, didn't properly secure it, and then refused to bring him home when told they should. They literally put the gun in the kids hand....

[@taylorbug9]

If they're as neglectful as these parents don't you think they also deserve consequences for their actions? Parenting this bad affects us all.

[@lisawarr]

What??? Have you got kids?? Should you have kids?

[@OG-genX_]

Absolutely 100000% AGREE! This school, particularly the teachers AND the principal needs to be on trial!

[@taylorbug9]

@@OG-genX_ all they'd be on trial for is not searching him and his stuff. The parents didn't tell the school they had guns he had access to.

[@gabrielapetunia1871]

oh oh, defense.

[@cheryl5682]

Need better audio !!!

[@MrOsasco]

Bullet? Esse julgamento virou uma palhaçada.

[@tessa4902]

Ethan was not displayed like this

[@lisabyers2992]

I totally agree…the recent trial of the guy who went to Waffle House and killed many people. He didn’t come to court in prison attire or shackles!

[@Megan-mr8ue]

This isn't the trial. It's preliminary hearing and their attire is up to the sheriffs. They do not have to allow them to dress up.

[@barbarahenninger6642]

Did he try to evade capture like these two did?

[@debbieaustin7072]

Weren't these two communicating with one another and blowing kisses 😳 the judge reminded them several times. They are also a flight risk.

[@lisawarr]

Was he a fugitive?

[@elpatron7916]

All paid shills in this reply

[@cindyweir9645]

Don’t understand the leg shackles and handcuffs having to be on. Their Son committed violence, they did not.

[@Megan-mr8ue]

They wouldn't stop using sign language to each other. It's inappropriate for court. There's a certain decorum in a court room.

[@debbieaustin7072]

@@Megan-mr8ueagree megan. Totally inappropriate.

[@trace_you6337]

Their co-defendants being charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with their son committing murder. Have you not been following what's going on here? There now do you understand

[@bushwatcher1673]

In addition to the other comments, they are also a flight risk

[@lisawarr]

They were also fugitives.

[@usakiwi1986]

OMG!

[@valeriewhite8798]

It’s ridiculous to have them in shackles. This is a perversion of justice. We are still innocent until proven guilty in this country. What does the court think they are going to do? Rush the judge?

[@debbieaustin7072]

It wasn't just about being a flight risk. They were communicating with one another and blowing kisses. Totally inappropriate.

[@trace_you6337]

What's really ridiculous is your thought process. Why do you think they're sitting in court right now facing a judge? They're being charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with their son committing murder with a weapon that they had bought for him. Defendants can be unpredictable at any given moment they are no exception. What is a perversion of Justice is that they didn't get charged with more counts for the other seven people that were injured.

[@lisawarr]

They were ‘fugitives’ I suppose

[@debbieaustin7072]

@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk I'm not joking.

[@emoliver80]

@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk when you say "attire" and "dress like this" I'm assuming you're referring to the jail garb (jumpsuits). Defendants are not allowed to wear their own "street clothes" to court until a jury is present. When a jury is present, they are not allowed to be handcuffed, and they also then have the option of wearing street clothes if they choose to. As for the shackles at pretrial, it could be various reasons. It's a case by case decision, and typically it is for safety reasons. In their case, I would assume it's because #1 they have been warned more than once about gesturing to eachother with kisses and I love yous etc and #2 they *are* considered a flight risk... hence the reason for the bond they were given. Prior to being arrested, they had emptied all of their bank accounts, their own sons bank account, made calls to try to sell their horses, left home and didn't turn themselves in when they knew they had warrants, hid in a building, parked their suv in a manner to purposely hide the license plate, had a friend bring them alcohol and food, didn't answer the door when LE came knocking and when LE broke in they were hiding behind a mattress. So, just because *you* may not think they are a flight risk, or because *you* think they don't look like they'd be a flight risk or try to run and that it seems silly, doesn't mean they aren't. Just because you think they may not try to harm anyone in the courtroom doesnt mean they wouldn't. Afterall, they *are* they ones who failed their own child and raised him to be a murderous monster. No telling what they're capable of. No telling what anyone is capable of who doesn't want to be charge with such charges and wants an attempt to avoid spending years in prison. At the end of the day, it is up to the courts whether or not Defendants are cuffed/shackled or not, as long as the jury is not present.

[@CooganBear]

Chandler Halderson was convicted of murdering and dismembering his parents. He was never hand-cuffed and wore a suit everyday in court. They are using these people as an example and it's BS.

[@Megan-mr8ue]

This isn't a trial. This is preliminary hearing. The sheriff does not have to allow them to appear in common clothes.

[@Megan-mr8ue]

Chandler Halderson would havewore prison clothes at his preliminary hearing if he didn't waive it.

[@CooganBear]

@@Megan-mr8ue Lighten up Nancy. You get the point I'm making.

[@Megan-mr8ue]

@@CooganBear your point is completely irrelevant

[@trace_you6337]

Well wouldn't you agree that an example has to be set at some point. This is unprecedented that the parents get charged in connection with the school shooter. I was hoping that the prosecution would have had more counts put upon them for the other seven people that were injured. Consider them getting off lucky with only four counts of involuntary manslaughter.

[@lindavieira364]

NO MATTER WHAT HAS HAPND HERE...ITS HORRID SEEING THESE 2 BEING TREATED LIKE HARDENED MURDERERS...I can't help feeling sad for them...how their lives changed in a split of a second...

[@herman8618]

His mom shouldn't have thought it was funny when she was told he was looking up ammunition at school now should she have. Stop feeling sorry for these pos parents

[@debbieaustin7072]

I don't feel sorry for them.

[@taylorbug9]

Why would you feel sorry for neglectful parents?

[@lisawarr]

They allowed their psychotic 15 year old access to a gun after not sending him to see a doctor because he wasn’t on her health insurance … oh and then they ran and they’re shackled because they’re fugitives.

[@lindavieira364]

I do understand what's hapnd here....it's HORRID...

[@Reborn_Enthusist]

What a witch hunt by the prosecutor!

[@taylorbug9]

How?

[@lisawarr]

I don’t think so. I think she would be negligent if she DIDN’T prosecute them! Not sending him to a doctor because he wasn’t on her health insurance and then giving him access to a gun, at 15, boasting on social media then evading the police. Fugitives. Hence the shackles. No witch hunt that I can see. Their actions led to the death of those at the school. End of.

[@lisawarr]

@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk using common sense I would imagine - due to the fact that their son is a murderer who they handed a gun to and seeing how they went on the run - it was likely a forgone conclusion that they would be shackled.

[@lisawarr]

@YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk a citation for this claim?? I’m merely hazarding a guess as to why they’re shackled

[@elpatron7916]

@@lisawarr you have no idea what you are talking about or you are just a liar