Pretrial hearing for James and Jennifer Crumbley on April 19, 2022

[@stormchasingirl1133]

James crumbley is clearly hard of hearing. Couldn’t hear his own damn child yelling for help!

[@jennietolls4490]

Oh, snap!

[@louise9973]

So glad these parents are being held responsible. All parents are responsible for the kids until they're 18 years of age. More accountability from parents is a major thing lacking.

[@sandib4234]

Right!!

[@bonjovirocks24]

Parents of kids in gangs should also be held responsible for homicides.

[@redwinstead7873]

It so damm wrong about wat they are doing to these parents and the FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct

[@redwinstead7873]

The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct and it is so damm wrong for wat they are doing to these parents

[@redwinstead7873]

@@bonjovirocks24 you are so damm wrong and you are crazy half of the United states would be in jail.

[@anniemae343]

I can’t wait to hear the FACTS in this case in the correct context. I would also be very interested in the law surrounding this.

[@dariusz2k]

I bet whatever the FACTS are, certain people will dispute them if they go against their OPINION.

[@Flexyourmemes]

@@dariusz2k im guessing you mean 2nd Amendment supporters. No one supports parents supplying guns to children

[@redwinstead7873]

The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct and it is so damm wrong for wat they are doing to these parents.

[@dariusz2k]

@@Flexyourmemes If that were true you wouldn't get people stating that prosecuting these two is wrong

[@Flexyourmemes]

@@dariusz2k the only thing i see people having an issue with in these comments is their shackles but I'm sure there's a few wackos out there.

[@chrisgrzybek925]

So many families lives have been affected by this tragedy. Who cares what happens to these two.

[@debrafirestone861]

Agree they should rot

[@shellos8]

ANYONE WITH HALF A FKN BRAIN. THIS WILL DECIDE HOW NEGLIGENT PARENTS ARE HANDLED FROM HERE ON OUT. WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CHILDREN UNTIL THEY TURN 18. THAT'S NO FKN SECRET.

[@420twilightbabyxox4]

This is what's wrong with the world... 😒 good people go to jail all the time. Reaching out for help causes a lot of issues in some cases. These workers aren't always here to help.

[@the_royticus2429]

@@shellos8 I agree. But I bet no black parents will be charged like this

[@lillydogpoo65]

The prosecutor friggin hates the defense..holy crap she can't even look at her

[@doyoulovehimloretta1607]

Wow mom's lawyer calling her son "the shooter" , just wow. The poor kid never had a chance.

[@euniceloy7120]

I had read that it was ordered that Ethan's name not be spoken in court which is why the defense attorney is calling Ethan "the shooter". I know I was just a shock as you maybe right now at this decision from the court. Not sure I believe it was several months ago that this decision was made.

[@MichelleKavarnos]

They aren't allowed to say his name.

[@doyoulovehimloretta1607]

@@MichelleKavarnos yes I understand but using verbiage like the shooter is unnecessary and inflammatory.

[@euniceloy7120]

@@doyoulovehimloretta1607 I agree. A better word would have been "Son"

[@doyoulovehimloretta1607]

@@euniceloy7120 yes, exactly.

[@p.sherman3158]

I must be hard of hearing also. Can’t hear that judge at all. She’s so worried about him hearing her.

[@cutlass2523]

SAME. Judge seems extremely timid and uncertain, too. Maybe she is nervous because this hearing was recorded, which is understandable. But this is difficult to watch. Esp since there is palpable tension between Judge and the atty in the pink tweed suit.

[@rachelsavard851]

Is it not a bit unethical or egocentric of the lawyers to represent both parents given the risks involved?

[@thebardslament5337]

They probably could have only afforded one attorney so decided that one pro attorney for the two of them is better than one of them getting a paid attorney and one getting a public defender

[@lesleyclapp4090]

Why has the Judge not got a microphone, it is almost impossible to hear her.🇿🇦

[@rafaeltlv1795]

probably because she is not the real judge probably a fake one

[@janetjohnson7279]

Prayers for all of the victims families!! 😥🙏😥🙏😥🙏

[@r.o.1330]

....prayers are nothing but a useless gesture. i'm telling you i'm doing a lot, but actually doing nothing.

[@martinschmidt8551]

I feel sorry for them all, but that is part of what is wrong with America these days. An American friend told me that "America is broken!" Where else would normal parents buy a weapon to their child, crazy or not. A US network has a daily gun tracker and this reading is tragic and frightening. If you have a gun, chances are that you will use it at some point. If you don´t have one, you will find other - less violent - solutions to most problems.

[@lunamequa]

I am an American and I can tell you the United States have been broken from the start.

[@Resell_crazy]

I own guns and I have taught my children how to use them. We target practice together. But with that said I have taught safety to them and my guns are under lock and key. My kids don't touch them unless we are with them. I hope never to use mine but will if someone breaks in my house and puts us in danger.

[@redwinstead7873]

The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct it is so damm wrong for wat they are doing to these parents.

[@cristineconnell7803]

Guns aren't the problem! Self centered narcissistic people are! That take little to no responsibility to raise their offspring well for the rest of society! Kids killing just as many other's on campus with other tools, like knifes! It's who is raising these kids, & what are they teaching them that is a huge problem! And you don't just see bad parenting in the US so get over this trash America crud! All countries get corrupt leadership that effects their nation adversely! Doesn't mean the people of said nation are the same! My family has always had guns around! Like the tractor & the chain saw, & the kitchen knives & utensils, ALL Tools that need to be handled appropriately, & safely! Also all tools that can kill!

[@r.o.1330]

@@redwinstead7873 .....where do you get this stuff red? the FBI doesn't give a rip about this case.

[@debrafirestone861]

They should be found guilty as charged

[@sandib4234]

💯👍

[@simplysusan.5625]

Can't even hear the judge! ??

[@nancygreen3705]

So the defendant can't sleep because the lights are on 24/7?? Well the parents of the victims can't sleep either because their innocent hildren were shot dead by his child with a weapon that you/your wife provided to him!

[@jomiddleton4225]

These parents raise a monster with no heart. These two need to responsible for their son action . They bought the gun and taught their son how to use it. Then on top of that these parents ran away. Leaving their son in jail. For they knew they are at fault.

[@shellos8]

NO. They had a child who was struggling with mental health issues. He begged for help but his mother laughed at him and his father told him to suck it up! Not to mention the day before the shooting when the school called them in, concerned with Ethan's behavior and they refused to take him home! They are horrible, negligent parents!!

[@daerdfotuoerew4394]

“Leaving their son in jail” Where else was he supposed to be?🤦‍♀️

[@Galaxie08]

No, they raised a child who developed mental issues, which they ignored, unwilling to actually make time for their kid, listen and getting him professional help. Telling co-workers "he's weird", telling Ethan to "suck it up", making their horses more important than their son, and then buying him a gun. That's NOT parenting.

[@euniceloy7120]

It is so painfully obvious that these two defense attorneys are trying their first case.

[@dazed118]

One of the attorneys defended Larry Nassar (the garbage pile doctor who abused his gymnast patients). He's serving life if that says anything.

[@camillemagdalena1761]

Believe it or not these two ladies are high profile attorneys. They are known for taking on some of the most despicable cases that no one wants to touch.

[@lovepet4565]

But they are not, is whats so incredible

[@euniceloy7120]

@@lovepet4565 Right?

[@skullvr7654]

They gonna need a team like Jose Baez to get out of this one…they done with these two they might as well had PD

[@jessicabuck5089]

If evidence fraudulent to begin with, slapping paperwork ain't gonna change this. She acts like a bully teacher.

[@andrenewcomb3708]

These two are 100% responsible for everything. The boy's going to need placement out-of-state in a community that never reveals that they know/knew of the event. So that he can someday move on from this.

[@andrenewcomb3708]

I would move to have two trials . . . separately. The boy has been cast adrift. "Separate" . . . as in one for the mother and one for the father.

[@doyoulovehimloretta1607]

The boy will likwly never get out of prison but I agree completely.

[@michellejordan3862]

Andre Newcomb why are you worried about the shooter being placed out of state in a community so he can “someday move on from this”??? How are the four dead children and their parents going to MOVE ON FROM THIS ????? Good grief 🙄

[@danielmorse4213]

The sin of the father are not the sin of the son! The reverse also. He did not scheam and outfox EVERYONE, smuggle a stolen gun into the school and fire the gun.

[@lsansing1783]

Andre, you seem to be under the impression that murdering 4 people will afford him freedom in the future. The first thing he asked in adult prison is how he could get his fan mail. Maybe you need to watch his trial stuff.

[@lindacook8326]

There is no reason to keep them handcuffed during this hearing. Bad parents are not a threat to others in the court. It's purely to humiliate them.

[@gemini6166]

@Linda Cook They both face alot of prison time if they get found guilty and convicted, so they could try and flee the courtroom. You never know.

[@paulmackyou9098]

I don't think they should be charged in the first place. Why charge children as adults if we are just gonna prosecute the parents for everything their kids do

[@gemini6166]

@@paulmackyou9098 The parents were both grossly negligent to say the least.

[@rachelsavard851]

I know! I just wrote that. It felt so obvious today.

[@CaponeCraps]

They already attempted to flee once right? Do you give thier son a gun while in the court room too?? I mean he only did that once too...

[@nancygreen3705]

When is the school going to be held accountable for its part in this matter? They had that child in the office, backpack in tow, didn't bother to check it, didn't bother to demand that the parents remove him from the premises, AND allowed him back into the classroom, after which, he committed the heinous act!

[@r.o.1330]

.......you can check my comments on the parents (i think we should be real tough on them), i do agree however that the school administration has a great deal of culpability in this case. i don't know what can be done with them legally, but they should be finished as school administrators.

[@christopheranderson5663]

You can tell by the look on prosecutors face they are thinking look at these quack defense attorneys

[@suzieakers07]

They should’ve taken their son home and helped him!! They neglected him in every way!

[@gossipgal1418]

Would’ve could’ve should’ve ! Pretty sure they wish they had to

[@Oochakaballa]

So Ethan, their son, gets a public defender, while the parents sold their house to get private attorneys. Another sign of their love.

[@r.o.1330]

.....speaks volumes, doesn't it?

[@jlorde8838]

@@r.o.1330 how much would 24 1st and 2nd degree felonies cost ? A paid attorney wouldn't change anything .

[@sunny1433]

These parents don’t stand a chance at trial in this town, where will they get an unbiased jury ? They are guilty of being bad parents & of the neglect of their sons needs for psychological help so it will be interesting to see if they are found guilty as charged. What a terrible life that is ahead of them.

[@DP69ner73]

Why they are filing a motion to change the venue of the trial.

[@rroubaix]

The judge is in a world of “no” to most every request from the defense. The defense is being sugar sweet and passive and acquiescent. Still, they get nothing. Am I the only one who notices that? 🙄

[@cheekymonkey666]

there is a lot more to it than bad parenting...

[@redwinstead7873]

The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct it is so damm wrong for wat they are doing to these parents. I

[@cristineconnell7803]

By their own hand! No body did this to them! It is all a direct result of their actions & extreme neglect!

[@r.o.1330]

....we need to make an example of these two. you own a gun, you're responsible for it 24/7. Period. Should it be stolen (by an outside party, not a member of your household), that's another issue to be considered, but if it's under your jurisdiction, you're on the hook for what it does. Four beautiful young lives were cut short because of their total recklessness. These two idiots need some severe prison time.

[@micheler1077]

Unbelievable it’s jail not club med. These two fools are in this position as they failed to PARENT. They choose their own needs over fool #1. My prayers for the real victims and families affected by the evils of these 3.

[@marcosmarin8930]

❤YOU CAN SEE HOW PROUD THE PARENTS ARE ABOUT THEIR SON❤ They are the BEST PARENTS in Michigan ❤

[@jessicabuck5089]

You can't file another thing that was denied to begin with. Move on to evidence. Bring school board members in. Overide karen

[@cristineconnell7803]

My blood will boil if that school faces no accountability too! All have responsibility in this case!

[@kit-katnews5721]

Sad he's complaining about his accommodation yet the parents of those his son killed will never be able to comfort or see them one last time, no sympathy for either of those parents to have allowed so much hatred and damage to creep into there sons life through pure neglect.

[@jessicabuck5089]

By law they are allowed to make a phone call. Bond this unessary, you already decided this when they were arrested.

[@denisepelton6835]

I like this judge.

[@redwinstead7873]

It is wrong to the parents for wat they are doing to these parents. The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct.

[@sharonross6039]

How can Jennifer's lawyer say anything to him and say they would talk to him later.

[@karendaley292]

I think about his jail unit change. The lawyers have to talk to the ones at the jail about him being moved to a different unit for his comfort.

[@christopheranderson5663]

Michigan needs to take a lesson from Ohio on punishment for criminals. Get tough like them. Maybe this is the start of it.

[@pinkakagreen]

if they had disciplined their son, they wouldn't be in this situation

[@abc123youandme]

You can't discipline the crazy out of someone. While I don't disagree that discipline is needed for all children, I personally feel he needed psychological help far more than discipline. He was clearly calling out for help and being ignored by these two. I don't believe that absolves him of responsibility of shooting up a school full of children, but he did attempt to get help.

[@TheCostumeJeweler]

Oh my.

[@DaveHarris75]

May I respectfully ask why they are handcuffed?

[@blindkimberly1360]

My question from the beginning. Cold stone rapist/murderers can appear in court in good clothes and unrestrained. Are these two really that dangerous? I believe wholeheartedly they’re responsible for their son’s actions.

[@uwpride]

Because they’re coming into the courthouse from the jail. It’s standard procedure

[@tashaawesome6297]

Jennifers hair is matching her outfit 🥴

[@jeffreyc6262]

Poor baby I did 9months on k block sitting on the toilet. Man up boy lots more uncomfortable situations to come other then "bright lights"

[@bonniehorn3144]

I am lost here. What did they do? Would someone let me know please? Thank you.

[@amandaspellman9676]

They bought a gun for their son and the mother took him target practice knowing their son had severe mental health issues and was more worried about their jobs and themselves to get their son help and innocent people died because of the lack of their parenting.

[@amandaspellman9676]

They also went on the run and was arrested with 7 burner phones and they were hiding out in a abandoned building but they didn't hid vehicle and someone noticed their vehicle and that's how they were caught and arrested.

[@Nicole_2282]

Her roots 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rachelsavard851]

While I'm okay with the idea of the parents being held criminally responsible for this, and sadly they may have to be held without bail because they tried to flee, it seems ''cruel and unusual' for them to be in shackles

[@jaymejohnson2375]

You can be in county jail here for a traffic violation ( ie, didn't renew insurance) and you're in shackles everyone is here no matter what

[@Allergictocatstoo]

When ever outside of one’s cell, one is cuffed and in leg irons. Check yourself, would you say this if they were Black?

[@Flexyourmemes]

@@Allergictocatstoo oh shut up with your race baiting nonsense. And theyre not necessarily in cuffs and shackles outside the cell. Thats prison. And leg irons usually only for really violent prisoners. Inmates in county jail are usually put in shackles, sometimes one hand to one other inmates shackles, right before transport and keg irons at the cells in the courthouse.

[@marlenesouliere6971]

cruel and unusual would also be a way to describe the families life long sorrow at the loss of thier child.

[@redwinstead7873]

I hope the FBI put the judge and prosecutor in jail for wat they are doing to these parents is so damm wrong.

[@jessicabuck5089]

Speedy trail depending on evidence, you don't get to decide this law does -no

[@sst6358]

Get rid of your guns 🛑

[@dustinaruba7509]

If there was anyway to have known he would do this then the school staff is also liable

[@jessicabuck5089]

Pull your paperwork whoever the old man is , you must have the original pizza set up. This is what he is afraid of . Get it .

[@emilya3016]

That pink outfit the lawyer is wearing. She scares me, and she takes on garbage clients.

[@uwpride]

She’s soooo frumpy

[@lindaouderkirk1844]

Not professional at all

[@redwinstead7873]

Oh are the people going to blame in Texas. I just wondering. Oh the parents. Blame all the parents of the United states of America. Wat a shame.

[@jjeannef227]

These shady unemployed parents raised a f-ing scary dude - For shame.

[@jessicabuck5089]

Game on.

[@jessicabuck5089]

15 years.

[@GrandmaMarlayne]

Oh my gawd! I did not realize it is Detroit!

[@MXIVKeer]

Denied again!!!

[@amy-joe5772]

Stalling tactics by defense it doesn't matter where you go it going to be the same thing

[@jessicabuck5089]

When you bring out Skeltons in the closet you involved an old witness you shouldn't have. Smack that Akon.

[@shellos8]

What are skeltons? Lmao

[@redwinstead7873]

The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct.

[@the_royticus2429]

Cangaroo court right here

[@jessicabuck5089]

Whoever it is, that targeted us all, will be in every place-bystander effect. Will play /hero/ Enrique englas

[@warrenwalker8170]

seems to be hearing just fine LOCK THEM UP NOW

[@Monica-le9oi]

I think these defendants are 1000% guilty, however, there has to be a fair trial or conviction will get overturned. They are locked up, they can’t even touch the tops of their own heads throughout a lot of these hearings. Not addressing a hearing impairment could be grounds for an appeal, refusal of accommodation for a hearing impairment, for sure, would be grounds for appeal. Why would you want rights violated? Allowing their rights violated means allowing yours to be violated.

[@karenshear6046]

Handcuffs and chains come on is that really necessary

[@dgatsf]

These are non-violent parents. I think it is cruel to set their bond so high that they cannot afford to get out of jail. The court system lets violent criminals out of jail on low bonds or no bond ALL THE TIME! Enough is enough and their bond should be set at a reasonable amount. And if they are going to be tried for negligent homicide, then the parents of other children that commit crimes with guns should also be arrested. This is looking like a kangaroo court.

[@patriciahairston5382]

Diana thats correct. Regardless of what they did as bad parents. And I'm not saying they are innocent, but I have also seen murders be placed on house arrest with a lower bond. They did not actually pull the trigger although thy were neglectful. But I read where South Carolina, Texas, California are all letting shooters out. And this couple is chained in court and denied. It just seem strange to me.

[@daerdfotuoerew4394]

Bond is so high because they went on the run when they found they were getting charged. State police found them hiding in a Detroit warehouse. It was covered by a lot of news channels.

[@LarisseMontrose]

It's not about them being violent or not. Their bond is high because they're a flight risk. They already tried running before. They even drained their son's bank account before they left.

[@christopheranderson5663]

He’s conveniently hard of hearing for this. Sure he is.

[@paulmackyou9098]

We can charge children as adults but when we FEEL like charging the parents for the kids actions that's somehow okay? This is messed up. I hope they're aquitted

[@Galaxie08]

@Paul Mackyou: You either don't know the details presented at the hearings, or you think what the Crumbleys did is normal parenting. Leaving your child to deal with his mental issues despite him asking for help; tell him to "suck it up", buy him a gun, then refuse to take him home when asked by the school & not once mention that gun in the meeting. "LOL, I'm not mad at you. You need to learn not to get caught". Spent all their $ on horses and a gun instead on getting Ethan professional help. Tons of signs that they chose to ignore. The Crumbleys are were they belong.

[@jessicabuck5089]

Get it safe,

[@robnamowicz8073]

Why are they chained and gagged?

[@dazed118]

The mom was using hands signals and mouthing words to her husband during a prior Zoom hearing. To prevent them from communicating, only one of their hands is left free so they can at least write notes to communicate with their lawyer during the trial.

[@BA-ef4pr]

The charges require it

[@chastity5401]

The charges require it???

[@BA-ef4pr]

@@chastity5401 thats what the deputy said the first day they were in court.

[@amy-joe5772]

They are taking too long to go to trial

[@cutlass2523]

Not a huge fan of this judge. Everything else aside re this case, she seems very uncertain, nervous, eager to comply/accommodate. There seems to be a lot of contention between her and the atty in the pink suit…

[@jessicabuck5089]

Appeal if you find faulity evidence. Loop hole-

[@JujuMama23]

I have perfect hearing and could barely hear the judge (even wearing head phones and the volume at max level)

[@NewfieLawNerd]

I have hearing issues and could hear her Honor perfectly from just my phone’s speaker

[@JujuMama23]

@@NewfieLawNerd I guess I need new headphones 😂

[@havingfun661]

I'm going to gather the bail money for these parent's, They should not be in jail.

[@tammyirwin703]

Give this lady a damn 🎤

[@jessicabuck5089]

We all have gotten a traffic ticket, and cleary with non update motor vehicles and non creditable officer try again. -no - did she go through her traffic school, not creditable.

[@jessicabuck5089]

Your son is 15, did someone lose a child. They targeting you through kids

[@alfinar5487]

God bless America. Lock these hooligans away. Make America Safe Again

[@zach4627]

Hi

[@claybwagner]

Hi

[@jessicabuck5089]

Paperwork fraudulent - not mentality I'll.

[@jessicabuck5089]

Court not aware of family ties, not important and not the courts buiness, only lawyers, they stayed In state. This a lesson , do not judge book by cover. They got a lawyer oops.

[@rroubaix]

The judge is in a world of “no” to most every request from the defense. The defense is being sugar sweet and passive and acquiescent. Still, they get nothing. Am I the only one who notices that?

[@redwinstead7873]

The FBI is watching the judge and prosecutor for misconduct and they will be charged for misconduct for wat they are doing to these parents it is wrong

[@rroubaix]

@@redwinstead7873 Do we trust the FBI?

[@redwinstead7873]

@@rroubaix I do wat choice do they have. The judge and prosecutor needs to be fired.

[@redwinstead7873]

Breaking news I hear that the FBI is questioning the judge in this case it may be over with this sorry judge l hope so. That would be good news for the laws. 😎

[@christopheranderson5663]

Classic case of a couple of weirdos

[@danielmorse4213]

And the school gets off Scott free

[@chastity5401]

This is absolutely BS!!! Why are they/they SCHOOL not being held accountable???? Simple search of his backpack could have prevented this too!!!!

[@susiepummill9391]

the school is just as accountable

[@jenniferhodge2077]

Wonder where the civil suits are at?? Wasn’t there a lawyer for the families of the deceased Students?

[@jessicabuck5089]

1 no gun, fake pictures, snail mail The call Ethan made to James, why- reporting a shooter, Ethan was in the middle. He called dad when was happening. Pretty sure you can't aim and dial- no go pro, 2 they didn't inspect crime scene , whole school , should have been closed down, for evidence, including the internet server, 3 counselor did not report to child protective services of issue 4 finally school board state in the letter they were not aware of Ethan but there was another who was suspended/video released of someone saying bro 5. Math test seating chart Ethan was away and they didn't search the bag

[@wynton921]

The Brunette Defense Attorney lost weight. I hope she is healthy and fine, but I liked her when she was thick 😋

[@SmushyMcMushy]

Is dad all there? He seems a bit slow

[@stellabystarlight3137]

These parents don't deserve this.

[@sandib4234]

Really? You can't be serious!!

[@lindaouderkirk1844]

They absolutely deserve this .100%

[@christopherterhark4461]

You don't know the full story then

[@danielkarapetyan8651]

Why the hell is he chained up like he's the one that killed them .

[@harshtimesbartmanxoxo7505]

I hope the go. free yhe volubine mom was so much worse than these parents.😮

[@alicewhite7945]

Nobody cares.

[@GrandmaMarlayne]

I would say this masked requirement should make this charge able to be challenged in a higher court.

[@johnstein230]

This case shouldn't be happening the boy already admitted in his diary journal that he had to find the gun ..these weirdos had nothing to do with what that dumb boy did...I DO ENJOY LOOKING AT THE LAWYER SHANNON SMITH THOUGH 🔥🔥😍😍

[@lindaouderkirk1844]

Found the gun? You mean his parents bought an underage child a gun, right?

[@havingfun661]

that woman judge is one homely chick

[@lesleyhughes3174]

Get to know the difference between woman and women. You could only dream of having her intellect

[@barefootfarmer4214]

Not everyone can be as attractive as you🤣🤣🤣 you even sound toothless when you talk

[@DaveHarris75]

@@lesleyhughes3174 I was about to admit that I find this Judge remarkably attractive. Intellectually brilliant, too.

[@havingfun661]

@@DaveHarris75 She looks like a cranky old lady.