First tow truck was for big rig towing. Its cable wench is probably 3X as strong as the flat beds. Use that one to pull it out of water.
@jeffjackson18972 жыл бұрын
Exactly, large van filled with water has lots of weight.
@fonzdedios66252 жыл бұрын
And that big truck probably cost $250 per hr. The rollback is cheaper. And they can put a trailer ball on the wheel lift if the rollback
@cmpphilip2 жыл бұрын
Answer was on the rollback "we buy junk cars "
@jjeanes22142 жыл бұрын
@@fonzdedios6625 $250 an hour is a cheap rate. All though it wasn’t a rotater at least where I am it’s around $350 an hour from the time they leave the shop until the time they get back. If the police called the tow truck then it was a lot more. I worked in the tow industry for 20’years and still do from time to time (part time).
@firedudeW2 жыл бұрын
It comes down to cost. Flatbed $50-100 hookup, usually about $2-3/ mile, heavy duty starts $350 hookup and $15/ mile.
@fieldy-80082 жыл бұрын
I go and drink beer on Sundays at the boat ramp by my house just to see all the crazy stuff that happens 😆. It's very entertaining, especially the ones that been drinking all day
@h2odragon12 жыл бұрын
Boat Ramps are a great source of free entertainment!
@kenwittlief2552 жыл бұрын
esp at sundown when all the drunk boaters want to go home for the night....
@dustintunis93472 жыл бұрын
It's not free for the entertainers.
@vinniebuiltRC2 жыл бұрын
That van definitely didn't have a drain plug in it
@RangieNZ2 жыл бұрын
It didn't need to - the fit & seal on the doors panels was horrific - most of the water was out in a couple of minutes!!
@snapcutter95962 жыл бұрын
What a grin. Drain plug.... better check mine. I'm in 4 wheel drive when I back in. Wow. This happens quite a bit. I've seen it a time or three. At the ramp. And some close calls. Wouldn't wish it on an enemy. What a loss.
@destinyreturns48852 жыл бұрын
lol
@albertdeleon62722 жыл бұрын
Don't they need a training course to load and upload the boat to be certified and mental exam
@barryclark2582 Жыл бұрын
Van drain plug ? Brain drain plug !!!
@lamike98603 ай бұрын
I like your videos and how you don’t harass the people that are having a bad day
@kf42932 жыл бұрын
Yah know, None of this makes me want to rush out and buy a boat. 😂
@id10t982 жыл бұрын
As with women, renting is far more economical in both the short and long-term 😉🤣
@jdubya71392 жыл бұрын
What you need is a friend who owns a boat.
@johnwattdotca2 жыл бұрын
@@id10t98 What happened in your life to make so you joyfully depraved?
@lewispaine45892 жыл бұрын
I've seen and had some memorable experiences at boat ramps in my life
@JayLopiccolo2 жыл бұрын
agree with the other comments. That is likely dish detergent to break any sheen that may be on the water. Not the environmentally best way to do it, but in reality, the quantity of leakage from a van like that is so small that a HAZMAT recovery would yield almost nothing. The dish detergent will break the hydrocarbons into small pieces which are then more easily digested by bacteria in the water. Likely there will be no noticeable damage to the shoreline and nothing detectable in the water within minutes.
@pulaski12 жыл бұрын
Even out on the open ocean a lot of the oil in an oil spill is dealt with by spraying "dispersant", which is basically just detergent designed to break up the oil slick.
@stephenfleming59792 жыл бұрын
One is for recovery process and the other one is for towing
@ColSandersKFC2 жыл бұрын
Its an oil eating microbe mixed with an enzymn that breaks down the oil so it doesnt harm the enviroment.
@davidyarb58852 жыл бұрын
We use something called microblaze. It has an enzyme that breaks down petroleum products so they’re nontoxic.
@harveyschindler95542 жыл бұрын
You can bet it wasn’t Corexit.
@JP-ou8yb2 жыл бұрын
The large tow truck was brought in because it has a much more powerful winch for the weight and the flat bed is for transporting.
@k0rc2 жыл бұрын
Well that flatbed also says "We Buy Junk Cars" so the probably answers why the switch of two trucks.
@JP-ou8yb2 жыл бұрын
@@k0rc Im sure that would be the case after insurance totaled it first salt water will destroy it quickly.
@christietz50202 жыл бұрын
You're kinda right. 2 possibilities 1. The bigger tow truck if the same company was closer than other trucks and the flat bed was farther away and or busy at the time of call so he startedthe call. 2. A lot of flat beds don't have muck more than 20ft more cable past the bed and the bigger tow trucks are more typically used for off the hiway recoveries thus have more than enough cable and usually more than 1 winch.
@chasbodaniels17442 жыл бұрын
For once I had zero laughs from a Broncos Guru vid. Even though it’s interesting to watch, you’ve gotta feel for the poor guy who’s taking the hit. Even the best of us can screw up.
@jeffsharp21132 жыл бұрын
Yea seen it happen several times,get in a hurry to get ya boat off the trailor because somebody is waiting on you to move out of the way and forget the put tow vehical in park. Yep it happens!
@Madisonrvr2 жыл бұрын
Agree. As a boat owner, I refuse to laugh-- plenty of screwups in my past and future for sure.
@eclecticmusica2 жыл бұрын
So true. No need for laughs. It's like that one a--hole we all know when at a restaurant who "claps" and thinks it's funny when a sever/waiter drops an order/plates. How is that even close to being funny when a over worked person screws up - in front of people - to be "clapped" at. That person isn't "funny" and should beat to a pulp immediately. That would be "funny".
@dkhooeh2 жыл бұрын
Sure the yanks got a unique way of work. One fella do this and another fella do that. Scratching the right ear with the left hand.😎
@thomasrudder96392 жыл бұрын
Joy, joy dish soap and water. Joy is the only dish soap that breaks oil and gas in water. You can always tell a seasoned boater when they carry joy onboard.
@rogerjoesbury94102 жыл бұрын
Marist,. Thank you good information.
@TSKseattle2 жыл бұрын
The rotator that got the van out is only equipped with an under-tow bar for lifting semi trucks with special cups that lift the linkage. he would not have been able to "tow" the van very far, and of course not with the trailer on it. The rollback can drag the van up.
@hogwild58442 жыл бұрын
Yup. First on scene but didnt have capacity to tow the van. Helpful it turned up however due to its weight as a smaller truck may have struggled with the water filled weight of the van. Odd that that the second truck that loaded and took the van away didnt pull forward from the ramp with the trailer attached till the trailer was on flat ground and not still on the ramp.
@littlee.47232 жыл бұрын
Rotator???? That truck was a 3212, not even close to a rotator. Its is a medium duty truck that is perfectly capable of towing the van or the trailer, but not both. It is NOT a tow truck for heavy duty trucks. The flatbed can tow both, van on the bed and the trailer on the stinger. Also to tow it with the drive wheels on the ground you have to pull the driveshaft to keep from doing damage to the transmission. Now I know its totaled anyway, but its policy for any good tow company.
@maggiemcmac82732 жыл бұрын
@@littlee.4723 I thought maybe if the van was 4 wheel drive, I know they have to be put on a flatbed, they can't be towed.
@je41682 жыл бұрын
Not a rotator quit guessing it very capable of towing that van they probably brought both vehicles to have flat tow it a lot easier that way
@MKAK472 жыл бұрын
Didn't know that made single axle rotators 🧐
@marzsit98332 жыл бұрын
what typically happens is when the driver backs down the ramp the rear wheels are on a slippery surface but the vehicle stays in one place because the driver has their foot on the brake, stopping all 4 wheels. when you take your foot off the brake, now only the rear wheels are stopping the vehicle and if the ramp is steep or the vehicle is too heavy, it simply slides down the ramp. this problem is compounded if the driver doesn't unstrap the boat from the trailer before backing down the ramp, in that case the floating boat lifts the trailer which also lifts the rear of the towing vehicle, helping it to slide down the ramp easier.... this is why i always tell people who use a 4x4 for towing a boat to always put it in 4-wheel drive, that way the front wheels will remain stopped when you back down a slippery ramp.
@danielswann33192 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you know what you're talkin about. He should have met you before he launched the boat.
@walkertongdee2 жыл бұрын
those ramps are way too steep that causes a lot of problems.
@wallyman2922 жыл бұрын
@@walkertongdee If they're too shallow, then you can't get the boat to float off the trailer before your vehicle hits the water.
@2009dudeman2 жыл бұрын
This is all compounded when you have old tires that are weather cracking bad. Most of the vehicles sliding in up north have crappy tires. Either street tires that were never designed for off-road used, or tires 6 years old with almost no tread left. That and a lack of common sense, if the ramp is covered in green, you better scrub it off before you try to back down 4x4 or not.
@rogerjoesbury94102 жыл бұрын
@@2009dudeman good tip about the slippy green weed.
@bradleyrouse6792 жыл бұрын
I’m literally addicted to this channel
@Eric-gi9kg2 жыл бұрын
Don't know how long you have been doing these videos... But the big wrecker has the power to pull out such a heavy load, but normally they are set up to haul semi's Not small vehicles. The 2nd wrecker is a Roll - Back, which is designed to haul smaller vehicles such as this van.
@TheBigJohnson2 жыл бұрын
That tow truck driver at 04:19 though! Speaks for all of us really.
@pigybak2 жыл бұрын
another U-boat commander.
@tomrogers94672 жыл бұрын
Tom Cruze would be envious!
@weaponxnova67942 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure they are just throwing in diluted Dawn detergent.
@Freedom-ik2ij2 жыл бұрын
On the bright side. Atleast the van is clean.
@davidsdean2 жыл бұрын
Bonytons Slimy green ramps strikes again.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@socomt52 жыл бұрын
@ Miami Boat Ramps Regarding the wrecker question. When the police have an underwater recovery,they usually request a medium to heavy duty wrecker that will have enough power to pull whatever type of vehicle out of the water. Past experiences have lead to flatbeds or smaller repo style wreckers not having the strength to do the job and wasting time waiting for the stronger wrecker. As far as the flatbed towing the ‘casualty’ it has the ability to not only flatbed a vehicle, it also has a trailer hitch attachment on it. We call it the ‘stinger’ in the industry. Giving the flatbed the capability to tow two vehicles at once . The medium duty could have towed the van…but would have had to drop the driveshaft to do so.
@TheFlatlander4402 жыл бұрын
For Sale: Lightly used Ford Econo-Line work van. Low hours on motor, spotless inside and out. $55,000 OBO.
@danlindey73682 жыл бұрын
Dawn dish soap? Maybe. It does break down oil and is environmentally safe.
@jerryscray17892 жыл бұрын
This is why we always keep a driver in the tow vehicle. Of course the green slime will get you with a 2wd vehicle
@The_Dunn2 жыл бұрын
Regular old dawn dish detergent will disperse the oil slick almost instantly. Kinda like magic. Just my guess, it's what we used at the Marina when I worked there for 5; years. Lol
@razlan54022 жыл бұрын
First tow truck is for winching/recovery Second one can haul van on deck and you don't have to pull the drive line to tow.
@lzmotorsports2 жыл бұрын
Flatbed could have pulled that out all day long for those wondering. I run a 550 rollback. Did a 3/4 chevy with trailer in the same situation. Very little force/weight when its under water like that. Moves very easy.
@chrisfoxwell41282 жыл бұрын
What's the max you should pull with your rollback?
@meadowsmydog2 жыл бұрын
I knew it was a good idea to always set my parking brake before getting out of the truck on a steep launch ramp!
@charlesbeall2589 Жыл бұрын
"Real men" never set the Park Brake!😄 When they do, it's seldom set properly, where it actually takes the vehicle weight off the Transmission Park Pawl.
@bryanmiles47592 жыл бұрын
A bad day for them... Was a Great Day for US!!!!
@notoriouscarl792 жыл бұрын
the wheel lift on the flatbed normally have a hitch on them to hall a trailer.
@traxxi20032 жыл бұрын
That van is going straight into the Junkyard. Read the sign on the back of the tow truck. “Buy junk cars”. Van already sold!!
@harbourdogNL2 жыл бұрын
2:50 So does the vehicle owner get charged or fined for that? For some environmental damage if nothing else?
@annamarieromano38822 жыл бұрын
Man CRAZY!!!
@robot_spider2 жыл бұрын
Back of the napkin math... Interior volume of an average cargo van (not just 'cargo' space, but full interior volume) is about 400cu. ft. That's ~2,992 gallons of water, which weighs around 24,921lbs or 12.5 tons, not including the weight of the van + trailer, so figure close to ~18 tons? Guessing the flatbed isn't rated for a pull like that.
@jeffsharp21132 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing me not evey one on the net is a tard.
@RoxnDox2 жыл бұрын
Open the back doors and it wouldn’t matter…
@oo0Spyder0oo2 жыл бұрын
3000 gals is around 4 tons so not so much. No way would that van have not broken under the weight of 18 tons.
@ILOVEBACONBOY20182 жыл бұрын
Tha tow truck was just the workhorse, aka pulling power to get it out, its more for bigger vehicles than vans tow wise, leave that to the normal wreckers.
@MrJwomick2 жыл бұрын
Sold on carvana as clean inside and out. Great bargain!
@jdubya71392 жыл бұрын
Freshly detailed
@roadracer15842 жыл бұрын
I shouldn't laugh but this is hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@robertheinkel62252 жыл бұрын
The van can be loaded on the flatbed, and the trailer can be pulled by the flatbed. They are equipped to pull trailers also.
@GodBlessedAmerica2 жыл бұрын
I hope the equipment in that van isn’t how he makes his living. Glad nobody got hurt.
@elitocande99762 жыл бұрын
Well insurance take care everything.
@MikeSmith-dt8xc2 жыл бұрын
The 1st tow truck is a heavy haul tow truck for hauling semi's. With the van full of water it's extremely heavy.
@ChickContender2 жыл бұрын
The second tow truck says we buy Junk!! Wow bad day for that guy! Hopefully he's got good insurance 🙏 😬
@chunkyd58802 жыл бұрын
Definitely. It even looked like a work van. Dude could be out of work for a while.
@carlmorgan84522 жыл бұрын
Tow truck company are mostly corrupt to want to take/ your car for tow bill . Two trucks called driving bill up to ensure what I just stated. Not my favorite people.
@tomrogers94672 жыл бұрын
My insurance is invalid as soon as my vehicle leaves dry land, including on a ferry boat. Don’t know how that applies here.
@DemocracyV32 жыл бұрын
RWD van, that is a semi wrecker and designed to couple to semis and other heavy duty trucks, getting a tow from a semi wrecker is way more expense then a flat bed tow truck
@windowcreek17982 жыл бұрын
Its nothing but Sunlight dishwater fluid. Its scatters the oil. Simple and it works.
@slayer8actual2 жыл бұрын
"...the amount of cars that the ramps decide to eat..." The ramps don't decide to eat cars. The people decide to feed the ramps.
@xElchulo305x2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine the trailer at the end go back to the water ? 😂 Here we go again 911 now the trailer go back the the water 😂
@2011hemiram2 жыл бұрын
The stuff for oil and gas is basically dawn dish soap the big one was to pull it out bc of weight and it needed a roll back bc of it being rear wheel drive no disconnecting the drive shift or removing axles to tow from the front
@THEGOODRIDE012 жыл бұрын
The larger wrecker isnt really equipped to tow a small van. The wrecker is more for bix trucks, school buses and semi tractor's
@MFingChuck2 жыл бұрын
Winching power. The bigger truck had more power than the tilt bed because not only was he pulling out the van, but all that water that went with it. Once it drained, the roll back can take it, freeing up the larger truck for bigger vehicles.
@hotboiorlando2 жыл бұрын
Free van wash at Boynton Beach lol
@carl_doesstuff2 жыл бұрын
The heavy wrecker isn’t set up correctly for the type of tow that is required. A flat deck you can load the van and tow the trailer. With the wrecker you can’t.
@bradleyschroeder17382 жыл бұрын
Yup ive seen plenty of rollbacks twisted doing this type of work
@ThisHandleFeatureIsStupid2 жыл бұрын
This woulda been a great time for a newb to launch something. He'd be like, "Welp, the bar is about as low as it's gonna get!" 😀
@--_DJ_--2 жыл бұрын
I don't know what they were tossing in the water, but the guys I used to work with that were working on the pumps on docks always had a bottle of sunlight in the truck for any mishaps.
@pentonhusqvarna2 жыл бұрын
"I'm not sure what happened." What happened was someone wasn't as smart as the boat ramp!
@MrEdlindsay2 жыл бұрын
The bigger tow truck to pull it out because of the weight, the flatbed to transport the truck because of water in the rear and motor!
@CCarlson82 жыл бұрын
@MiamiBoatRamps The first tow truck would have to pick up the van by the front tires and drag it. Given that it is a rear wheel drive van, they are designed to be towed either the rear wheels (difficult given the front wheels turn) or they need to be towed by a flat bed.
@cuzinvinniethelastone9772 жыл бұрын
It's a mix of dawn soap and water the soap traps oil
@jayalejandro3242 жыл бұрын
You need a big winch to pull it out because of the water weight plus the van's, but only need a little flatbed to tow the van. I had a smaller tow truck with a winch and pulled a Toyota sedan out slowly to let the water out, then just towed it.
@jeffeckel49302 жыл бұрын
Solution used to get rid of gas or oil in water is probably dish soap or laundry detergent. And 2nd tow truck was use because first tow truck was a heavy duty for bigger vehicle. Easier for flatbed to haul van and can tow trailer behind it.
@pfausette44052 жыл бұрын
First trunk is a wrecker that specializes on getting vehicles out of ditches et cetera but not actually towing.
@hazepheno9252 жыл бұрын
Perfect reason they need to build easily accessible drain plugs into cars.
@cewait2 жыл бұрын
The stuff they were throwing on the water was an oil dispersant. Not sure what they are using brand wise but we used to use Dawn Dish Soap
@supanami22412 жыл бұрын
Flatbed was to pull it the rest of the way and carry the van ... the medium duty tow was to get it out of the water ... that water in that van is HEAVY!!
@allengrant2 жыл бұрын
A cubic yard of water weighs one ton. That cargo van probably had 6-8 tons of water in it. THAT'S why the tractor-trailer tow was initially used.
@ernurwolf20652 жыл бұрын
Dawn dish soap. It attaches to oils and breaks it down amd it doesnt hurt the environment.
@waynefortier59782 жыл бұрын
Entertaining video I wonder how many people realize that a limited slip differential means that one wheel slips the other will turn backwards and allow the vehicle to drop in the water, setting the parking brake is critical
@robertheinkel62252 жыл бұрын
Limited slip differentials try to keep both axles rotating in the same direction. An open or normal differential, will allow the wheels to rotate in opposite directions.
@waynefortier59782 жыл бұрын
@@robertheinkel6225 thanks for the correction, point being that many of these slip ins are caused by one wheel slipping and the other merely turning while it sinks
@wiseandhumble24702 жыл бұрын
Or put it in park
@waynefortier59782 жыл бұрын
@@wiseandhumble2470 Lol. That’s always a good idea!
@peterhall66562 жыл бұрын
What is the situation in the US with getting a boat licence? Do they test whether you can reverse a trailer down a ramp?
@cooperbrown26852 жыл бұрын
In Texas you just take an online course/test. Nothing in person. You can get your license at 13 yrs old I believe
@alien29662 жыл бұрын
"Uh.....Boss, I can't make it to work. No transportation. Company van took a swim".
@sjfk13062 жыл бұрын
The big tow truck was to pull it out. The flat bed can tow the van and the flat bed. Van on the bed and trailer on the reach. The reason for 2 was the flat bed may not have been able to pull it out but the big one couldn’t tow it without dropping the drive shaft.
@southerneruk2 жыл бұрын
It's a biodegradable liquid soap, mix with local water that they are throwing onto the water, it breaks down the oil/fuel so it sinks to the bottom
@ceisarsrepair79582 жыл бұрын
That's how the tire companies afford all that chrome, use several trucks for one measly van. The first truck could've towed the van with the wheel lift with the trailer attached. But get the times the fee if you bring in more trucks and drivers....
@GoogleSpyZon2 жыл бұрын
Van is fine, just drain and flush all the fluids. It dont have alot of upholstery, just need to clean and dry it out.
@chuckmvs2 жыл бұрын
What a bummer ,🤿
@Shadowwand2 жыл бұрын
This is why you should go out on the water with Hovercrafts. You don't need to launch them at a ramp
@jamesphillips9972 жыл бұрын
That first Tow was a big rig tow. That van was too small for it!
@bigtruckbrad2 жыл бұрын
16 ton wrecker. It is capable of towing full size trucks and vans.
@jamesphillips9972 жыл бұрын
@@bigtruckbrad thank you brotha! I didn’t know that but I’m sure that tow bill wouldn’t be the same! 😁
@dshipp89312 жыл бұрын
Someone is even flying a drone over the van
@stevenwilson33682 жыл бұрын
The boat ramp separates the men from the boys.
@richardgalli72622 жыл бұрын
How does a tow vehicle end up under water? Is it incompetence or negligence or did the transmission jump out of park?
@richardroesler25532 жыл бұрын
Was this personal van or just one from work that he used to launch his watercraft...
@niniliumify2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the Wrecker was enforcement requested, and the flatbed is the guys insurance response.
@barryclark2582 Жыл бұрын
Its really good that most of USA is landlocked imagine how many toolsets would be lost.....
@nickd9012 жыл бұрын
THis is dumb but is the van salvageable? It was probably submerged for an hour or so. If you were to rinse the saltwater and drain, then fill all the fluids and diff oil do you think that van would be able to run again? Ive always thought that it cant but people can do crazier stuff with salvaged vehicles
@maxmackinlay6182 жыл бұрын
Tell the boss you drove it through a puddle.
@GodBlessedAmerica2 жыл бұрын
From what I hear, they use a heavy mixture of Dawn to break down the oil and fuel. Again that’s just rumors. 🤷🏼♂️
@hotboiorlando2 жыл бұрын
Dawn dish soap cleans up oil spills
@59patrickw2 жыл бұрын
look at the headboard of the second tow truck WE BUY JUNK CARS the van a right off
@krampp242 жыл бұрын
Well at least he knows where all the leaks are lol
@rogerreed97682 жыл бұрын
Now that was funny " someone got the free carwash"
@F-N-C2 жыл бұрын
BUTTERMILK
@Twobeers12 жыл бұрын
Nobody, but nobody will beat Arthur, he sunk 3 boats, pickup & trailer. All in one day before lunch. All 3 boats which he launched 1 after the other in the span of about 3hrs. All 3, he forgot to put the drain plugs in.
@jeffburnham66112 жыл бұрын
It's pretty common where I live to see vans and full-sized SUV's and trucks on the back of a flatbed tow truck instead of just being hooked.
@stephenruss20152 жыл бұрын
I just hope it wasn't the company's van and he's just an employee using the van to launch his jet ski that would be even worse to try to explain to the boss man
@jeffsharp21132 жыл бұрын
Did not even think about that, that would be bad.
@dalelangila92742 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they have insurance on it anyway
@32plug2 жыл бұрын
Power loading and powering out will screw a ramp up faster than you know.
@woohunter12 жыл бұрын
It’s actually illegal where I live.
@markanthony67582 жыл бұрын
The first tow truck was meant for larger tows, like box trucks or semi's. The clamps on the rear are larger than what the vans wheels are. Would have damaged the van more. The flat bed was probably called in because it would have been hard to disconnect the driveshaft. Would have locked the tranny up and caused more damage.
@schumannresonanceswithverte2 жыл бұрын
The first one is a big rig recovery; It's called a "rotator boom," for lifting heavy equipment. A van full of water is "heavy lift"; yet it's not a proper wrecker for passenger vehicles. The rotator boom is not a tow truck, per se. The flatbed doesn't have the power in the wench to lift the 'heavy lift' out of the water. The rotator boom is set-up to tow bid trucks, not passenger vehicles, like the van. The E-150, or E250 frame is not a big enough truck for the rotator boom-type.
@MBr3972 жыл бұрын
That's not a rotater. It's just a tow truck. Rotaters have a boom that rotates around, hence the name rotater, that trucks boom doesn't rotate.
@bretthibbs60832 жыл бұрын
Fords tend to be pretty light and it doesn't take much for them to slide at all on a slippery surface.
@dartmouthdodge692 жыл бұрын
The first truck was way more powerful than the second one. They can put the van on the deck and tow the trailer.
@mgphoto842 жыл бұрын
Using dispersants isn't allowed because they are sinking agents. They don't break up oil, they just sink oil further into the water column.
@davidallen74042 жыл бұрын
I think the first one that came in with a government tow truck to keep the Waterway and Docks clear and the second one was the owners tow trucks to get it wherever he was taking it.